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The trial(s) [message #3670] Sat, 11 June 2005 19:47 Go to next message
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Anybody else wonderting just what sort of stuff may come up when Tuck's attackers come to trial?

A few off the top of my head (and yes, most of these are stuff that *shouldn't* come up):

Defense to Tuck: "Are you, in fact homosexual?"

Yes, the prosecution will object that it's irrelevant. But can he do so *before* Tuck's face gives it away. And what will the effect on the jury be.

Defense asking about stuff Da Boyz have done to the attackers.

Again, the prosecution may well bring up past acts by the attackers. The incident with telling Ellen that she should have died will be just one of many things that will demonstrate that the defendants are world class assholes.

Defense *or* prosecution asking why Tuck didn't report the earlier attack. His explanation (and he *would* have to explain) is not going to look good for the School Board. They'll try to blame Dobson. Dunno if Tuck & co will realize that they need to make it clear that they don't think Dobson wouldn't *want* to help, but rather that Dobson wasn't *able* to help.

Publicity. Even if it's a "juvenile" case. I bet at least one of the perps is over 18 and the DA may well be inclined to try *all* of them as adults. This will be a problem.

Also, Val may get outed in some way or another, which will open up a major can of worms.


What I seriously doubt will happen is the "climate of fear" that so many students have to live with getting allievated significantly.
Re: The trial(s) [message #3677] Sat, 11 June 2005 23:12 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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sluggo wrote on Sat, 11 June 2005 18:51

I don't think that Tuck would even have to show up at a criminal trial. He has made his statement. And he won't be healed enough to go to any hearings in the near future. Unless Tuck is extreamly lucky this time, we all expect complications in his recovery. A case like this won't drag on for long in the courts.


On the other hand, it's not *that* major a case. Unless they plead out, it's apt to be *months* before it *comes* to trial.

I was a witness in an armed robbery case. It was several months before the trial. And that was almost 30 years ago. the court dockets are a *lot* more crowded these days.

So it's not at all unlikely that it could be 1998 before the case comes to trial.

sluggo wrote on Sat, 11 June 2005 18:51

If it went to trial, the defence most likely will ask for no jury if thats possible. The pictures would be enough for a jury to hang them (not literally).


Public defenders and even paid lawyers have done dumber things.

sluggo wrote on Sat, 11 June 2005 18:51

Even if Tuck has to show up, the defence won't ask if he is gay. That would make this a hate crime, not just some schoolyard fight that got out of hand.


Nope. That only works if the local hate crimes laws (which may not exist *at all*) define sexual orientation as a protected class. If they don't, it's not a hate crime.

Federal law doesn't. Period.

Most state laws don't. So that gets us down to local laws (city/county).

sluggo wrote on Sat, 11 June 2005 18:51

A civil case against the school would be bad for Dobson. His only defence would get him fired. Hopefully the board will offer a sizable settlement to try and put the whole thing behind them. Tuck might even be able to work a deal that protects Dobson's job, but I doubt it.


Who said anything about a civil suit? My comments about asking Tuck about the previous attack would be the defense trying to confuse things or the prosecution trying to show that this was far from the first attempt.

sluggo wrote on Sat, 11 June 2005 18:51

There is no positive side to Val being part of any of these trials.


Agreed.

sluggo wrote on Sat, 11 June 2005 18:51

The trial that Val would be involved in would be if the Parker's decided to sue. But I really doubt that. They love Val too much to go there.


But will they like Valerie when they find out "she" is really a guy? Folks get weird that way.

Best if it never comes up. But I suspect it will sooner or later.

Val's best defence is her medical condition and telling selectged portions of the truth.

Re: The trial(s) [message #3680] Sun, 12 June 2005 01:12 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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The parents may be angry at their sons for getting into this mess in the first place, but that does not mean that they won't try getting them out.

Most parents believe they have exclusive rights in punishing their own children -- that is, they will try getting the sons out of jail and give any punishment they think appropriate in-house.

Also, having a kid in jail tarnishes the image of the whole family. So, even if the parents believe that their children commited crimes worthy of incarceration, many will spend money on lawyers to preserve their own public image.

Some of the attackers may come from well-to-do families. We know that at least one of them has a non-public-defender lawyer. Frank Donner apparently isn't one of the attackers, but it may be that one of the others is equally well-heeled.


Don't call me Shirley. You will surely make me surly.
Re: The trial(s) [message #6266] Wed, 13 May 2009 10:56 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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They will all plea out. No sense in taking chances in court. The boys will be kicked of the sports teams ruining any chances at scholarships and college which will lead Dawson to a lifelong enmity against Tuck. They will clash many times until at some point Dawson will seek to press the issue and Tuck will take him down in self defense. But it makes for a lot of drama between now and then.

The next serious situation will probably be with Deb and Lisa. Lisa is basically a "battered wife," at some point this will be exposed, and Deb will go postal. Tuck will then realize that they are at least still friends and that Deb needs help.

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Re: The trial(s) [message #6267] Thu, 14 May 2009 17:46 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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There is the fact that Tuck's parens are both very protective of Tuck. If te students get ooff light, no doubt that there will be consequences via Sabotague of certain computers and records placed with any potential employeers.
Re: The trial(s) [message #6268] Fri, 15 May 2009 01:13 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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I don't think so.
My reading of the situation is that either Tuck's family accepts whatever happens, probably some sort of plea bargain, or that they take some sort of direct action against the perps. The main problem with taking direct action personally is that Tuck's family would be the prime suspects and I don't see Bill and Sarah doing anything to attract that level of attention. If the perps wind up inside for any amount of time some encouragement of jailhouse justice toward them might be in order.

As usual, Ellen's twisty mind is likely to have some surprises for us.

That's why we keep reading.
Re: The trial(s) [message #6269] Fri, 15 May 2009 23:00 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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mkemp wrote on Fri, 15 May 2009 02:13

As usual, Ellen's twisty mind is likely to have some surprises for us.

That's why we keep reading.


"Your mind is a maze of twisty little passages, all unlike what the reader expects."


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Re: The trial(s) [message #6274] Tue, 19 May 2009 00:35 Go to previous message
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Ah, but Tuck does have De Boyz, and Debbie's Pack to count on. Plus, there is Stepwise Pagoda. And I think that Debbie's mother would know a few people in the court system that could cause trouble for the troublemakers families, if they try to get off light. Perhaps Tuck can get the advice of the local Matlock, or Perry Mason. Or just get a local Dirty Harry Callahan to deal out justice.
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