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Recomended reading [message #1312] Thu, 16 October 2003 17:36 Go to next message
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Ive read everything on Ellen's site... now I only (eagerly) wait for updates. While Im waiting does anyone else have a site they reccomend for good TG fiction?
Re: Recomended reading [message #1313] Thu, 16 October 2003 21:56 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Anything by Melissa Virus. Ellen's quote about her was something to the effect of "I wish I could write like this" (sorry, Ellen, if I misquoted) Anyway, you can find her at Fictionmania, in amongst the dredge.
Re: Recomended reading [message #1314] Sat, 18 October 2003 18:26 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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You could try BigCloset. Smile

http://bigcloset.ateros.com/newstuff

in the right hand column on BC you will find links to other TG fiction, cartoon and information sites.

- Erin Halfelven
Re: Recomended reading [message #1315] Sun, 19 October 2003 02:13 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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The problem with recomending something to read is you started with what is, IMO, the best TG story I've ever seen. One obvious item to try, however, is the other Aunt Jane stories, since they lead directly into Tuck Season. (They have my current vote for second best, and trying to find more was what led me over to Tuck in the first place.)

Most of them are here:

http://www.tigger-n-brandy.com/tigg_house/Janehome.html

Re: Recomended reading [message #1316] Sun, 19 October 2003 21:57 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Well, on BigCloset we've got Kelly Girl by Wanda Cunningham, No Half Measures by Jenny Walker, and The Greatest Lie by Lilliana-- which are all serials sort of semi the way Tuck is a serial. Smile

Plus a lot of really good stories that are not serials or are completed serials including ones by Cleo Kraft, Maggie Finson, Nom de Plume, Little Katie, Jill M.I., Aardvark, Emma Smith, Wholeman and many, many others. Including a few by me. Smile

Almost no one is going to like all of these stories but there is a variety and I like to think they are presented nicely with typography (and some typos) and a few of them are even illustrated. Smile

- Erin
Re: Recomended reading [message #1317] Tue, 21 October 2003 16:00 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Erin, stop trolling for site-visitors. It's demeaning.


For me... I had a list of stuff I really liked, and now I can't
find the damned thing. *sigh* So... reconstructing...


From the Nifty Archives:
http://www.selfpics.org/nifty/transgender/teen/he-dies-dressed-like-a-gi rl

http://www.selfpics.org/nifty/transgender/Magic-ScFi/diary-of-a-mad-scie ntist

http://www.selfpics.org/nifty/transgender/Magic-ScFi/suicide-is-painless

http://www.selfpics.org/nifty/transgender/Magic-ScFi/the-dark-crystal

http://www.selfpics.org/nifty/transgender/Magic-ScFi/for-lisa.html

and subsequent sequels by PJ Wright

http://www.selfpics.org/nifty/transgender/Magic-ScFi/noel

http://www.selfpics.org/nifty/transgender/highschool/coincidences

http://www.sapphireplace.com/stories/brown.html
The Reluctant Girlfriend


That'll do ya for a couple days, anyway.


Ellen

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Re: Recomended reading [message #1318] Tue, 21 October 2003 23:25 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Leeson's Noel is one of the finest TG novels of all time. With very little cleaning-up of typos it would be every bit as good as many science fiction/fantasy novels by some of the top names. It's so good, I didn't notice the typos on first reading. Smile For an editor, that's saying something. Seriously good.

Most of the rest of your picks, I've also read and the P.J. Wright ones stand out in my memory as particularly good, also.

- Erin
Re: Recomended reading [message #1346] Tue, 28 October 2003 15:50 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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For TG related comics there are also: <a href="http://thewotch.com">The Wotch</a> and <a href="http://elgoonishshive.com">El Goonish Shive</a> which are stories with lots of transformations including many TG ones.

And <a href="http://sgvy.com">Sparkling Generation Valkyrie Yuuki</a> tells the tale of what happens to a boy who turns into a Magical Girl.

More directly related to TG matters, there are <a href="http://t-gina.com">T-Gina</a>, the cartoon diary of a (now) post-op TS and <a href="http://www.transgender.org/tg/tvals/tglife.htm">TG Life</a> and <a href="http://jadaze.keenspace.com/">Lean on Me</a>.

Check out the link pages on those sites for even more TG humor and cartoons.

- Erin
Re: Recomended reading [message #1383] Sat, 01 November 2003 23:26 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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I know it's never been completed but i did quite enjoy The Joe Bates Saga when I came across it.
Re: Recomended reading [message #1388] Sun, 02 November 2003 07:43 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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The Joe Bates saga was ALMOST long enough *grins* but the whole thing fell down into putrid wreckage when [SPOILER DELETED]

Er, when we found out what was causing the transformations. I mean, COME ON! You've got to be fucking KIDDING ME!
I recall having a fit when I read that...


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Re: Recomended reading [message #1401] Wed, 05 November 2003 02:28 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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The Joe Bates saga was ALMOST long enough *grins* but the whole thing fell down into putrid wreckage when [SPOILER DELETED]


i thought it all fell apart when the first thing he did after waking up as a woman was to go shopping for new clothes. i couldn't get past that. The men i knew (and probably even myself pretransition) wouldn't bother with clothing. no matter how they looked, they would just go along with the same old clothes even if they looked silly or didn't fit right. just punch a new hole in the belt, stuff an extra pair of socks in the shoes and roll up your sleaves and head off to work. it would take someone to take them aside and/or laugh at how they are dressed to do anything about it. and even then, they would resist and do things wronge.

i couldn't get past that, not even to find out if they explained it latter on.
Re: Recomended reading [message #1443] Tue, 02 December 2003 19:33 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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I can assure you _I_ wouldn't want to be caught dead in these same old clothes. _Especially_ if they didn't fit right!


I touch the fire and it freezes me
I look into it and it's black

"They say the atmosphere there was so full of goodness
that evil just shriviled up and died. Maybe that's why I
never went there."
Re: Recomended reading [message #1485] Sat, 13 December 2003 00:12 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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The mention of superheroes in the halloween costume thread reminded me of another good one: Of Masks and Marvels by Bec D. Corbin, available at
http://www.sapphireplace.com/stories/corbin.html
It also happens to have my vote for "TG story Tuck is most likely to find worth reading", if you ignore the fact it didn't start appearing until a few years after Tuck's present, because it is also an utterly brillant and frequently hilarious look at the whole idea of a world with superheroes. (Be warned, it's been hanging for a few months on a particularly frustrating cliffhanger.)
Anybody know of any other TG fiction Tuck might like? I have a feeling that would be an extremely short list, but there might be a few others.
Re: Recomended reading [message #1497] Mon, 15 December 2003 14:26 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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A couple other good ones from Saphire's are Zapped and Gaby.
Re: Recomended reading [message #1500] Mon, 22 December 2003 07:47 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Bek D. Corbin is a new find of mine, and... well, damnit, if I'd had the fucking idea for his Jordan stories in 1996, Tucker might have ended up in that world.
PRIMO stuff.

http://www.sapphireplace.com/stories/corbin.html


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Re: Recomended reading [message #1501] Mon, 22 December 2003 12:02 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Ellen Hayes wrote on Mon, 22 December 2003 12:47

Bek D. Corbin is a new find of mine, and... well, damnit, if I'd had the fucking idea for his Jordan stories in 1996, Tucker might have ended up in that world.
PRIMO stuff.

http://www.sapphireplace.com/stories/corbin.html


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So? Spin off another copy. V3 I guess...


SagaOfTuck.getCharacter("Tuck").clone().moveTo( JordanStories.getWorld());


Twisted Evil


... anyway, given a recommendation like that I may actually have to read 'em...


Rachel
Re: Recomended reading [message #1754] Sat, 20 March 2004 23:48 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Hmmm, one that just came to mind recently was The Scholorship by Julie O on Fictionmania.
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Ellen Hayes wrote on Mon, 22 December 2003 04:47

Bek D. Corbin is a new find of mine, and... well, damnit, if I'd had the fucking idea for his Jordan stories in 1996, Tucker might have ended up in that world.
PRIMO stuff.
http://www.sapphireplace.com/stories/corbin.html


While Ellen undoubtedly knows about this already, everybody else might want to head over to the newest Jordan story, "Match-22" on that page. It definitly assumes you've read the earlier stories, though.
Re: Recomended reading [message #1911] Sun, 23 May 2004 20:14 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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It seems my just telling people there was a new Jordan Winters story was not enough to get a response. What if I elaborate by pointing out it starts by thanking Ellen, and features an- I'm not sure exactly what. Cameo? Nod? Reference? Guest appearance? Alternate reality counterparts? One of those, in any case, of some members of the Tuck cast. I was wondering how other people would define it, in any case. It's nothing major, but I did find it interesting.
Re: Recomended reading [message #1914] Mon, 24 May 2004 01:32 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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OtherEric wrote on Sun, 23 May 2004 21:14

It seems my just telling people there was a new Jordan Winters story was not enough to get a response. What if I elaborate by pointing out it starts by thanking Ellen, and features an- I'm not sure exactly what. Cameo? Nod? Reference? Guest appearance? Alternate reality counterparts? One of those, in any case, of some members of the Tuck cast. I was wondering how other people would define it, in any case. It's nothing major, but I did find it interesting.


I'm going with "nod." The names are about the same, but the characters are HUGELY different from Ellen's -- wrong GM, and the justification for the "Euge" nickname... well, I REALLY can't see any counterpart of Tuck behaving that way. Unless they were from the Mirror Universe/Earth-3/Antimatter Universe of Qward. But if so, they probably would be assholes, and Jordan wouldn't be playing with them...

Funny thing, though... Sapphire had included the story on her "what's new" page, but not posted the changes on the lists. Now she has posted a new set of updates, but the reference to "Catch-22" has disappeared from the "What's new" page...

Oh well... it's probably just an honest editing mistake which she is going to fix sometime soon. Meanwhile, the story is still available from Bek's page.


Don't call me Shirley. You will surely make me surly.
Re: Recomended reading [message #1922] Mon, 24 May 2004 22:11 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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KellyDahl> Hmmm, one that just came to mind recently was The Scholorship [sic] by Julie O on Fictionmania.

Well, I went to look at it... and found that it is split up into thirty-four separate pieces. Which I would have to download individually. Which I find a significant pain in the ass.

There's a reason I have a ZIPped copy of Tuck and keep it updated...

Any place to get the entire thing - JulieO's, not mine - at one gulp?


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Re: Recomended reading [message #1928] Tue, 25 May 2004 15:41 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Ellen Hayes wrote on Mon, 24 May 2004 22:11

Any place to get the entire thing - JulieO's, not mine - at one gulp?


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Nope, at least not the current version of it. There was a post by her editor Amelia on the Hyperboard on 5/10/04 that said "we are almost done with a complete editing and revision of "The Scholarship," which should be posted here within the next few weeks." Hopefully it will be posted complete instead of chopped up.
Re: Recomended reading [message #1933] Wed, 26 May 2004 23:16 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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I got a copy zipped and saved on my comp, that's only 445k.
Jordan Winters Story [message #1963] Sat, 12 June 2004 01:22 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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OtherEric wrote on Sun, 23 May 2004 17:14

I'm not sure exactly what. Cameo? Nod? Reference? Guest appearance? Alternate reality counterparts? One of those, in any case, of some members of the Tuck cast. I was wondering how other people would define it, in any case.


I think one could make the alternate reality counterpart situation work, as the reason for the different versions of Tuck's and Book's names, and for Booker rather than Mike as GM. If that's the case, we seem to be in a universe such as one we've discussed previously, in which Tuck had an ongoing relationship other than Debbie and never accepted or encouraged a dual identity. There'd be little or no advance knowledge of his physical problems, and Tuck wouldn't have major objections to the testosterone and the operation, beyond his normal concern with hospitals, injections and surgery.

As Doragoon pointed out in another context, at some point in this type of process, we get so far afield from Tuck's "real" personality and character that it's hard to consider any of this as "parallel". It's hard for me to say whether that's happened here, except to point out the obvious -- that "Euge" wouldn't tell a joke like that unless he had a far more secure masculine image than the character we're dealing with here.

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Re: Jordan Winters Story [message #1964] Sat, 12 June 2004 01:49 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Eric wrote on Fri, 11 June 2004 22:22

It's hard for me to say whether that's happened here, except to point out the obvious -- that "Euge" wouldn't tell a joke like that unless he had a far more secure masculine image than the character we're dealing with here.

Actually, I was thinking the exact opposite. I'm assuming that if Mike & Tuck were native to an universe with functioning Magic, they would know how to use it. So swapping identities would be just as easy for Tuck as it would for Jordan. I think what we saw would have been Valerie, pretending to be Eugene, and going overboard with a masculine image to cover her real identity. At least, that was my take on the out-of-character joke. Mike fits well enough, other that not being GM; and most GM's I've known are at least sometimes players as well. I don't think Booker was supposed to be Book, for that matter... I think I recall that name from earlier in the Jordan stories. And the game feels exactly right for Mike & Tuck in a slightly silly mood.
I'm probably putting way too much thought into this based on "Thanks to Ellen" mention at the start of the story- I see that and want to assume she made sure the charactes fit, but there really isn't any reason to assume that.
Re: Jordan Winters Story [message #1966] Sat, 12 June 2004 06:50 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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I'm assuming that if Mike & Tuck were native to an universe with functioning Magic, they would know how to use it. So swapping identities would be just as easy for Tuck as it would for Jordan.


That's an interesting assumption. I hadn't thought in those terms, but it's probably a safe guess that Ellen wouldn't have talked about putting Tuck in Jordan's world (had it been available in 1996) unless she planned to make magic work for Tuck and Mike there in some greater sense than the psychic connection they have in Tuck's world.

It probably would lead up to the same situation that I suspect Bek's getting to with Dan/Jordan, given Jordan's unexpected ability to photograph in girl-form. Is there a point where Tuck-becoming-Valerie somehow transforms into Valerie-becoming-Tuck? In the story's universe, human shape-changing is illusion. This would represent something beyond that. (At least that's true in the New England Family form of magic; if JayDee really is Jazz, there may be different rules for the African-based variety. I wonder if Louise Lanier would figure in this somehow for Tuck, or whether New Orleans voudun (sp?) would have different rules.)

Anyway, as you suggested, we're probably way too deep in what Bek may well have considered nothing more than an opportunity for a one-liner. (I'll stick with Booker representing Book, though. I'd have to go back there again to check, but my impression is that Bek's previous Booker was the guy who left town, putting the Fool's Cap back into circulation.)

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Re: Jordan Winters Story [message #1972] Sat, 12 June 2004 22:37 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Eric wrote on Sat, 12 June 2004 03:50

Is there a point where Tuck-becoming-Valerie somehow transforms into Valerie-becoming-Tuck? In the story's universe, human shape-changing is illusion. This would represent something beyond that.

Well, I'm not sure exactly how magic works in the Jordan universe. I could see repeated use of magic to generate an identical effect eventually leading the effect to start becoming real, however. I think Tuck would have been more worried about the consequences of a disguise if Tuck thought that might have been a risk- Tuck will take any number of risks, but will almost always make sure Tuck knows exactly what those risks are and how they balance; times of extreme emotional upset excluded. Perhaps Debbie also knew some magic, but didn't understand the repercussions.
I really should re-read the Jordan stories if I'm going to discuss how Tuck could map onto that reality. Unlike Bek's other serials, I haven't gone back to review just about every time a new episode showed up.
Re: Recomended reading [message #3208] Sun, 20 February 2005 18:48 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Has anybody else read "boy2girl", a printed book written by Terence Blacker, and published in the UK by Macmillan (275 pages)?

Thinking about Printable Tuck, and wondering how wide an audience it might conceivably have, I had been googling around for published TG fiction. Apart from the "how-to" stuff, and the "wank tinder" (as *someone* called it), there wasn't a long list of titles.

Well, there were exactly two, in fact, and I'd already read one of 'em on the internet, which left "boy2girl". The blurbs and reviews sounded interesting, and the book is published by Macmillan which gives it some kind of cred, so I ordered it (Amazon), and waited the couple of weeks it took to get here (Canada).

I gather that Blacker has written a number of children's books. This one is intended for "teens and young adults", but the style is in no way condescending. In fact, I found it very funny. It reminded me of the lighter parts of "Bikini Beach: All Tucked Up", and the later chapters of the first, now clandestine, version of Tuck Seasons.

I thought that it was well-written, although at first I was put off by the fact that the POV changes often, but it works okay, and you quickly get used to it. Lots of action, definitely a TG undercurrent throughout, but no angst and no moralizing. The plot even hangs together in a mostly credible way. Well, I enjoyed it; I think that others here would, too.

Blacker has been doing readings around the UK, I gather from one school bulletin I found on the web. The librarian reports that the senior boys enjoyed the reading, several of them asking where they could get their own copy... Hmmm...

T.
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KellyDahl wrote on Mon, 15 December 2003 11:26

A couple other good ones from Saphire's are Zapped and Gaby.



Gaby is rather more complete on Maddy's own site. And you canb find the Gaby fan fics there too. Smile

http://www.maddybell.com/

Alas, Gaby has the annoying problem that not only is the poor boy forced/tricked into wearing girls clothes a lot (gee, sound like anyone we know?) but he actively complains about it and then either doesn't throw a (justifiable) fit, or throws an ineffective one.

There are stretches where you want to give him a shake in a way that you rarely want to do with Tuck.

But it's not bad reading even so. Alas, it's on hiatus until after Easter...

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OtherEric wrote on Fri, 11 June 2004 22:49

Eric wrote on Fri, 11 June 2004 22:22

It's hard for me to say whether that's happened here, except to point out the obvious -- that "Euge" wouldn't tell a joke like that unless he had a far more secure masculine image than the character we're dealing with here.

Actually, I was thinking the exact opposite. I'm assuming that if Mike & Tuck were native to an universe with functioning Magic, they would know how to use it.


Only if they *knew* that it existed.

BTW, given Mike's athame and Tuck's references to various levels of oaths and bindings at several points in the saga, I see it as perfectly possible that magic does exist in their universe. But it's "weak" magic. Or at least weak as far as physical effects are concerned.

Rather like *our* universe. I know there's something because I've seen a few things that may be minor, but can't be explained except by magic/psi.

ps. I'll be *very* interested in seeing what Ellen does with those references. Of course, she may never do anything. Which is ok too.
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I just checked Amazon, and apparently the US edition of boy2girl is due out March 9.

What's the other published story, if I might inquire?
Re: Recomended reading [message #3215] Mon, 21 February 2005 11:00 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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The other published story I found (no doubt there are others I haven't come across) was "Cherry Single", by Valory Gravois, published in 1997. Looking it up now, I see that only the first half is available online, so either that wasn't the case several years ago, or else I abandoned the story before that point, which is entirely possible. I was looking for stories where TG is an element, but not the only element in the plot. And I can't wade through cheesy dialog for long.

I found the Gaby story before discovering Tuck, and it hooked me at first, probably because I am an avid cyclist and Maddy Bell's description of the first few races were pretty good. Soon after, though, I found the storyline deteriorated into repetitions of the same few situations, and the mother's whole excursion into pro bike racing just doesn't ring true, IMO. Also, for Gaby to work, one has to assume that the entire town's water supply has been laced with tranquilizers, to the point where everyone is just dopey...

After that, landing on Ellen's site was a revelation, in more ways than one! I was instantly addicted, and I still am.

T.

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Brooke wrote on Mon, 21 February 2005 01:03

Alas, Gaby has the annoying problem that not only is the poor boy forced/tricked into wearing girls clothes a lot (gee, sound like anyone we know?) but he actively complains about it and then either doesn't throw a (justifiable) fit, or throws an ineffective one.

Actually, I feel the need in the case of Gaby to give my agressive non-recomendation to any Tuck fans. I actually only stopped reading it in the past ten episodes or so, before getting pissed off enough that I would have throw it across the room if it had been a book rather than my monitor.

My problem was with two things. First was the medical revelations about Drew, which made me feel like perhaps the story wasn't coincidently covering the same sort of ground as Tuck; but was just doing a very bad job of stealing ideas outright. This was followed by the Mom's announcement shortly afterwards. Gaby was fun enough in it's own way when I wasn't taking it seriously. The instant the writer wanted me to do that (which that one-two punch I just listed forced me to do), I had to look back at the whole story with a more serious attitude. And while a lot of the scenes work well enough in isolation, taking them as a whole makes a lot of the cast look like psychoticly selfish manipulative assholes. Drew, on the other hand, is so easily manipulated as to appear mentally deficient. I'm pretty sure this isn't how the writer wants us to see the characters, either.

The hell of it is, I wouldn't have been so pissed if there wasn't something in the earlier chapters that had made me care. I wouldn't have minded if there wasn't something worth reading in at least part of the story.

So, I suggest Tuck fans avoid this. Go read the Whatley stories over at Sapphire's place, instead. I think Tuck might even find something to enjoy in those.
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OtherEric wrote on Mon, 21 February 2005 08:48

My problem was with two things. First was the medical revelations about Drew, which made me feel like perhaps the story wasn't coincidently covering the same sort of ground as Tuck; but was just doing a very bad job of stealing ideas outright. This was followed by the Mom's announcement shortly afterwards.


*Which* "Mom's announcement"? The one that annoyed a lot of people turns out to not be what we thought. and there was another announcement that rather changed things.

I still like Tuck better, but Gaby is at least readable, which is more than I can say for far too much stuff out there.

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Brooke wrote on Mon, 21 February 2005 17:23

*Which* "Mom's announcement"? The one that annoyed a lot of people turns out to not be what we thought. and there was another announcement that rather changed things.

The straw that broke the camel's back for me was Mom & Dad splitting up. What was the other one?

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OtherEric wrote on Mon, 21 February 2005 19:12

Brooke wrote on Mon, 21 February 2005 17:23

*Which* "Mom's announcement"? The one that annoyed a lot of people turns out to not be what we thought. and there was another announcement that rather changed things.

The straw that broke the camel's back for me was Mom & Dad splitting up. What was the other one?



Turns out she wasn't really involved with someone else. She lied about that for rteasons which seemed good at the time. The annoucement is when she comes clean about what was *really* going on.

She wasn't thinking straight, but that's sort of understandable *now*. Stupid, but "normal person" stupid.

It's in the last chapter of Book 3 (Flight 613), near the end.

I'm being vague to avoid spoilers.
Re: Recomended reading [message #3222] Tue, 22 February 2005 01:02 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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(Curiosity gets the better of OtherEric, OtherEric goes and glances at the last chapter of Gaby.)
OK, I suppose that's a little bit better. I still think there's an underlying problem with Gaby trying to deal with serious themes.

Tuck is, to my mind, mostly a comedy. But, thanks to Ellen's skill and well-established details, it can ocassionally deal with tragic elements. (Now that I think about it, mostly comedy, ocassionally tragedy isn't a bad descripiton of real life.) If you look at the story as a whole, Gaby is a farce. Nothing wrong with that. But I don't think it's possible for a farce to shift like a comedy can. Incredible as it may seem, there is nothing in Tuck that seems imposible. Whereas most people can easily point to nontrivial problems in Gaby, even if they like the story. Gaby hasn't earned the right to show us bad things like Tuck has, if you will.

I really apologize that this has turned into a misplaced rant. Like I said, Gaby really pissed me off a while back, and it apparently has been bugging me for a while. I think this venting has helped me get past my annoyance. I hereby retract my "non-recommendation" of the story, even if I still don't recommend it. I don't think it's appropriate for me to tell people not to read something, and I apologize for doing it a few posts back. Just don't go to Gaby looking for something like Tuck. I did, and it burnt me in the end.
Re: Recomended reading [message #3224] Wed, 23 February 2005 10:38 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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T. wrote on Sun, 20 February 2005 23:48

Has anybody else read "boy2girl", a printed book written by Terence Blacker, and published in the UK by Macmillan (275 pages)?


Just arrived from amazon.co.uk. Have started. Smile


Rachel
Re: Recomended reading [message #3226] Wed, 23 February 2005 13:25 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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http://www.publishamerica.com/shopping/shopdisplayproducts.asp?catalogid =6020

God Bless the Child by K.T. Leone is available from PublishAmerica through link above. It's a mainstream novel about a policeman dealing with the adoption of a transgendered child.

It's also available from Amazon and B&N. I edited it prior to publication.

- Erin

[Updated on: Wed, 23 February 2005 13:26]

Re: Recomended reading [message #3227] Wed, 23 February 2005 14:23 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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rachel.greenham wrote on Wed, 23 February 2005 10:38

Just arrived from amazon.co.uk. Have started.


Are you done yet?
Are you done yet?
Are you done yet?

<poke poke poke>

Smile

T.

Re: Recomended reading [message #3228] Wed, 23 February 2005 14:26 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Erin Halfelven wrote on Wed, 23 February 2005 13:25

God Bless the Child by K.T. Leone is available from PublishAmerica through link above. It's a mainstream novel about a policeman dealing with the adoption of a transgendered child.

I remember seeing that title listed; not sure why I didn't look more closely at it.

I'll give it a try, thanks.

T.
Re: Recomended reading [message #3231] Thu, 24 February 2005 05:39 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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T. wrote on Wed, 23 February 2005 19:23

rachel.greenham wrote on Wed, 23 February 2005 10:38

Just arrived from amazon.co.uk. Have started.


Are you done yet?
Are you done yet?
Are you done yet?

<poke poke poke>

Smile

T.




I'm done already!

Sheesh.

It was good fun. Afraid I don't get to claim my money back for it not making me laugh. The ending sort of left me dangling though.


Rachel
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rachel.greenham wrote on Thu, 24 February 2005 05:39

It was good fun. Afraid I don't get to claim my money back for it not making me laugh. The ending sort of left me dangling though.

Yeah, my impression was that the ending had been truncated for some reason. Perhaps to fit a standard number of pages, like Harlequins are said to do? But for whatever reason, the storyline just kinda *stopped*, then the epilogue tied up all the loose ends. Seemed like someone other than the author had a hand in that, to me.

Glad it made you laugh; sorry about the refund. Smile

T.
Re: Recomended reading [message #3272] Tue, 08 March 2005 16:56 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Erin Halfelven wrote on Wed, 23 February 2005 13:25

God Bless the Child by K.T. Leone is available from PublishAmerica through link above. It's a mainstream novel about a policeman dealing with the adoption of a transgendered child.

The book arrived from amazon.ca this morning. Yay!

I'll start reading it tonight.

T.

Re: Recomended reading [message #3273] Tue, 08 March 2005 20:44 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Just got the royalty statement for October-November. (sheesh!)

- Erin
Re: Recomended reading [message #3277] Thu, 10 March 2005 06:26 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Is that (sheesh!) good or bad?


Ellen
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First week of March for getting Royalty statement for October-November? I call that pretty slow. Smile And it will be AUGUST before I get the statement for December to May! This is because the publisher allows 90 days for payment from booksellers and then as much as 30 days for their own internal accounting to catch up. So it could be LATE August.

- Erin
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The San Francisco Chronicle book section reviewed Choir Boy by Charlie Anders last Sunday, a novel about a gender-confused 13-year old who takes hormones to preserve his singing voice:

http://sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2005/04/10/RVGRCC1A5C1.DTL

Anders and three other TG authors (Tennessee Jones, Carolyn Connelly, Andre Hewitt) apparently are touring in support of their books as the Cross Gender Caravan.

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