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Not whether but when... [message #4] Tue, 03 September 2002 22:45 Go to next message
Erin Halfelven  is currently offline Erin Halfelven
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This looks like it may actually happen, go read the Tuck notes on Ellen's site. Smile

[Updated on: Wed, 04 September 2002 23:33]

Re: Not wheter but when... [message #6] Tue, 03 September 2002 23:04 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Too right there. Ellen will be doing the book if it gets done at all, and things look as good as one could hope for at this point. Doesn't mean we can't talk about it, though. Smile

Personally, I'd like to see Tuck done in a nice large format trade paper with a slick color cover illustration. But others might prefer a small format pb.

I'd be happy with most anythiing, though. Smile

I did send Ellen some information she asked for, really, just an URL where I thought the information about P.O.D. was really good. I'd been looking into this for myself when Maggie and Hypatia announced their Out of the Darkness project.

I'm looking around to see what else might make a nice book. Smile

- Erin
Re: Not wheter but when... [message #8] Wed, 04 September 2002 01:41 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Well, I am a cartoonist/painter but I have NOT been happy with any of the drawings of Tuck that I've done. I designed a Tuck logo for my BigCloset.ateros.com website which I like the concept of tho I'm not completely happy with the execution.

I'm going to keep trying with drawings of Tuck and maybe I'll post some of them here.

--erin
Re: Not wheter but when... [message #14] Wed, 04 September 2002 17:11 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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well, I must admit ever since some of the fan arts I've had a very hard time seeing tuck/val as anything other than the whole Shinji ikari/Maya Ibuki thing... so perhaps we need to start looking for a slightly modded peice of eva fanart.. or would that cause legal issues?
Re: Not wheter but when... [message #16] Wed, 04 September 2002 23:38 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Maybe you can give us some URL's to see what you mean? And this might be a natural for the Tuck Art Category. Smile

-- Erin
Re: Not wheter but when... [message #18] Thu, 05 September 2002 17:59 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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eeek! now you're asking... erm... well there are the two that ellen has hidden almost at the bottom of the writings page...

http://www.barkingduck.net/jpg/eva093.jpg
and
http://www.barkingduck.net/jpg/maya01.jpg

(I think the maya one is really cute.. sort of similar in style to that lil white suit s/he wore in tucky seasons (about ep13?))

anyway... that's how I've always seen hir.

hmm.. if anyone has a screenshot of kaji molesting maya at the drinks machine from eva, that would work as a sort of Val and travis... or possibly from val at a really WEIRD nightclub...

Kathy
Re: Not whether but when... [message #19] Thu, 05 September 2002 18:34 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Of course, using a 'slightly modified' anything is asking for trouble and grief... At the very least, it offers a chance for someone to say 'No'. So, don't ask...

In this case, what I think is the best option, is to get some cover art commissioned, or donated, that is entirely new and fresh, specifically for Tuck. I know at least one artist, not to mention those of you 'Spawn with graphic talents (which I lack). And this removes any pesky problems about copyright, derivative work, etc etc.

What I'd like to see for the first one, is Tuck looking at himself in the mirror at 6am at Debbie's house - him in the biker chick outfit, her in the zoot suit...

Anyone have any other suggestions from the first 10-15 episodes?


Ellen
Art for Tuck book 1 [message #22] Thu, 05 September 2002 19:29 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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I'd like to see something with Tuck and Travis. Maybe The Kiss. Smile But that would be a really hard scene to draw.
Re: Not whether but when... [message #23] Thu, 05 September 2002 20:23 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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The question then becomes, WHICH kiss (in the first ten to fifteen episodes) are you thinking about graphicalizing?
[I made that word up]

There's several, as I recall...


Ellen
Re: Art for Tuck book 1 [message #24] Thu, 05 September 2002 21:01 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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The one in the backseat of the van; Debbie is driving with earplugs so she won't hear anything, Travis is drunk and Valerie finds out for the first time that she CAN be turned on by a boy. That's why it's The Kiss, IMO.
Re: Not whether but when... [message #27] Fri, 06 September 2002 15:40 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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>The kiss sounds interesting but I am more interested in any
>of the versions of the kiss held just outside Lisa's house
>with Debbie and Lisa either just opening the door or peeking
>through windows,

Those start happening around episode 18, which is probably too far along to put into the FIRST book. And it seems like cheating somehow to use a cover design for the first book that depicts something that doesn't happen until later.
Re: Not whether but when... [message #30] Fri, 06 September 2002 17:41 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Okay. *grins* So, now we know a good candidate for the cover to the SECOND book.

BTW, I've reread the series twice recently (okay, I read really fast) and it looks to me as if breaks of 9/10 chapters or breaks of 14/15 will work very well for dramatic reasons as well as both being nice sizes for books. Shorter breaks than 9 would probably be too short for books, longer than 15 or in between would make awkward dramatic moments, IMO.

In particular, I think that the runaway sequence, chapters 28 and 29 should be NEAR but not AT the end of a book. Unless you want a cliffhanger by ending at the end of 28. Ooog, painful, but possibly effective at selling more of Book 3/4.

Still, I think ending a book at the end of #30 would be almost as effective and a REAL cliffhanger might have the effect of driving people to the website rather than buying the next book.

Just noodling and making suggestions.
Cover Art for Print [message #32] Sat, 07 September 2002 03:21 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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In terms of cover art, it might be better to have a modest theme or a single character focus (Each book has a member of the Pack or the Tuck gang?). This will make it easier to keep in publicly visible places while maintaining discretion. A book with the lovely Kiss scene I'm envisioning someone will do for the cover might look great, but overly "Airport Soft Pr0n" which is sort of the stereotype I think Ellen might want to avoid.

That would be my preference. Keep the really nicely illustrated romance/plotpoint scenes in a 2/3 page collection in the back (like some manga to "visual novel" print transitions in the US; a collection of past issue cover art)?

I wouldn't mind paperbacks, though I would definately put protective covers on mine. I envision long afternoons of snuggling with a volume and a cup of tea under my fluffy down comforter of doom beside a window while the rain complains outside.

*goes back to dreaming of a Tuck Saga collected box set sitting on her shrine... uh shelf... bookshelf...*

- Pacchi
Cover Art Spiel Follow up [message #33] Sat, 07 September 2002 03:30 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Sorry about that, I was tired and somehow didn't parse the "click here for the rest of the messge" notices. I really like Ellen's Idea for the first Cover Art. I think it will give potential first-timers a very good visual introduction. It's also a very interesting 'hook' for the mildly curious.

I need to reread the series more often to be able to comment on grouping the issues for print, but having a Scene for each printed book that really sets the tone for what is going on in that volume is a great idea. My earlier suggestion will work better for groupings of purely size and convenience considerations during print.

- Pacchi
Re: Not whether but when... [message #247] Wed, 09 October 2002 12:58 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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> What I'd like to see for the first one, is Tuck looking at
> himself in the mirror at 6am at Debbie's house - him in the
> biker chick outfit, her in the zoot suit...

I'm gonna see what I can come up with. Any other scenes that people might consider cover-worthy?


-ChangelingJane-
Re: Biker-chick Tuck [message #249] Wed, 09 October 2002 23:32 Go to previous message
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I'm sure I got all the details horribly wrong, but here's a sketch I did today of what said cover could possibly look like.

My notes/questions:
* Debbie's pose is very flat. I've NEVER drawn a suit before. So now I get to practice.
* No dog collar on Tuck! Oops.
* What does Tuck's bustier look like?
* How would Debbie have her hair styled?
* Was Tuck's wig long or short? I don't remember a style being mentioned, just that it was blonde.
* Does her suit have pinstripes? I don't remember the details.

This pic will be cross-posted in the drawings section.


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