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Re: What is Tuck? [message #368] Thu, 24 October 2002 21:28 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Thanks, I edited in what you said.


Re: What is Tuck? [message #369] Thu, 24 October 2002 23:59 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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No prob. Smile
Re: What is Tuck? [message #372] Fri, 25 October 2002 01:50 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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> I have with that is the sex scene with
> Debbie in the early chapters makes it
> quite clear that he ejaculated...so??

tuck climaxed... but that doesn't proove anything

i was just thinking of this quote from 20 July:

"Aaaaaahhhh!" I think I commented as I
woke up with the first genuine 'wet
dream' I'd ever had in my entire life.
It wasn't that wet, actually, but then
it never was.

this seems to indicate that tuck doesn't really ejaculate much when he climaxes. and then there was the time with travis. when he was surprized by a normal male.
Re: What is Tuck? [message #374] Fri, 25 October 2002 02:43 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Doragoon wrote on Fri, 25 October 2002 00:50

> this seems to indicate that tuck doesn't really ejaculate much when he climaxes. and then there was the time with travis. when he was surprized by a normal male.


I think that this is the biggest proof. He thought that the comeshots that he'd seen in porn flicks were fake (he was suprised not just by Travis' size, but by his... volume), so I doubt that he ejaculates that much, if at all.

And, darn it, I clicked that link hoping to find some new information on intersexuality, and it's a page I've already been to before! I guess I've seen too much for my own good ;p

[Updated on: Fri, 25 October 2002 02:47]


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Re: What is Tuck? [message #378] Fri, 25 October 2002 06:17 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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I think it is becoming increasingly clear in these discussions that Tuck is female, with superficially male primary sex organs.

-- Erin
Re: What is Tuck? [message #383] Fri, 25 October 2002 13:47 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Quote:

sleeping with a teddy bear is not really a girly thing to do. kinda an immature thing to do but not really fem.


is tooooooooooo. . . hehe how many guys have a favorite teddy that they cuddle with ? I have a very cute pink teddy bear Very Happy called Blinky and he guards my bed for me. . . but is a serious napaholic. .


Doubt is a thief that often makes us fear to tread where we might have won --Shakespeare" --

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Re: What is Tuck? [message #385] Fri, 25 October 2002 14:15 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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I have a guy friend that does, but he's bi and displays some other obviously feminine traits as well (though sometimes he is SUCH a typical guy). Being around him makes ME feel normal ^_~ And I do, but being trans I'm not really a guy, so that doesn't count I guess ;p

[Updated on: Fri, 25 October 2002 14:16]


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Re: What is Tuck? [message #391] Fri, 25 October 2002 17:22 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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I'm a girl and I don't sleep with stuffed animals, and about half my guy friends do, I don't think it's immature, it's just a comfort thing...
But hey I dunno, I've been told I'm seriously wacky in the way I look at things anyway...


Screw Snapple... I'm the best stuff on Earth! Very Happy
Re: What is Tuck? [message #395] Sat, 26 October 2002 00:22 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Kearan wrote on Fri, 25 October 2002 16:22

I'm a girl and I don't sleep with stuffed animals, and about half my guy friends do, I don't think it's immature, it's just a comfort thing...
But hey I dunno, I've been told I'm seriously wacky in the way I look at things anyway...


I don't sleep with him like I did when I was a child but my teddie decorates my bed and guards it when I am not sleeping in it Very Happy I sleep with my cat Rowdy and sometimes with Twisted Evil ummmm Rolling Eyes I sleep with Rowdy Laughing


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Re: What is Tuck? [message #404] Sat, 26 October 2002 11:49 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Well... there's new Tuck up on Ellen's site. Won't mention a whole lot (at least not until more people have had a chance to read it) about what occurs except point out two things:

1. Tuck has undescended testicles. Big honking clue there about what is occuring.

2. We can pretty much point out when the next big blow-up will occur in Tuck's life: the next therapy session with Sheila. Smile

In a side note, I decided to go back and look specifically at what was said in the past about what occured when Tuck "came"...

From Ep 4:

Quote:

*Oh, God, we're _fucking_!* I thought, and that was enough to put me over the top. I grabbed her like she'd done to me, and pulled myself as far in as I could, and started to jerk spastically as I felt myself shooting inside her. Inside her, what a wonderful thing...


No mention of how much volume Tuck produces, or even if it is semen. For all we know Tuck could be a woman who comes, aka a squirter.

There may be more instances, but I've only scanned back up to ep 20... more instances provided as I find them...
Re: What is Tuck? [message #405] Sat, 26 October 2002 13:47 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Nothing much to add, but your 1. makes a possibly unwarranted assumption.

- Erin
Re: What is Tuck? [message #407] Sat, 26 October 2002 16:19 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Well, I'm no expert, but since you ask (you didn't!) I dunno what tuck is, but a little more evidence is in the Tucky Season story, where Val explains " "Well, um,
when I was little, it took me forever to learn to talk, I mean, like I was four and still babbling, like a baby does you know?"


Late development of speech is a sometime characteristic of Klinefelters syndrome, or so I am led to believe. May not be relevant to what Ellen has ecided but as pure speculation who knows?

Diana
Re: What is Tuck? [message #408] Sat, 26 October 2002 16:32 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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It may be an unwarranted assumption Erin, but it does clearly rule out any TG condition which requires the person to have a visible block & tackle set. Smile

And I think that Tuck has a condition which precludes him having a working set of testes (based on the bit from Tuck's visit to Bikini Beach).

Re: What is Tuck? [message #411] Sat, 26 October 2002 22:17 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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That was my point. The way you phrased it, "undescended testicles" assumes that there ARE testicles; that was what was unwarranted, IMO.

- Erin
Re: What is Tuck? [message #414] Sun, 27 October 2002 10:07 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Ah I twig to what you're saying... the part of the statement that Tuck has testicles... the implication being the reason why they haven't descended is because he doesn't have any to descend. Smile
Re: What is Tuck? [message #418] Sun, 27 October 2002 15:28 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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There is no dirct mention of "that doctor in New York" in the published chapters. Reading between the lines a bit, I think it would refer to when Tuck was staying with Amy there, and all these episodes happened before the saga starts. There are references to his stay there in several places, but no mention of visits to a doctor AFAIK.

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Re: What is Tuck? [message #419] Sun, 27 October 2002 20:24 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Vicki wrote on Fri, 25 October 2002 12:47

Quote:

sleeping with a teddy bear is not really a girly thing to do. kinda an immature thing to do but not really fem.


is tooooooooooo. . . hehe how many guys have a favorite teddy that they cuddle with ? I have a very cute pink teddy bear Very Happy called Blinky and he guards my bed for me. . . but is a serious napaholic. .


[iWindoze checks himself in the mirror ala Berkeley
Breathed's Michael Binkley:] Yep.. 5 o'clock shadow
evident, receeding hairline present, and [quick check]
male appendage still present... so what the #### is
a guy like me doing with a huge Teddy bear sitting
on his bed?? ^_~;;



I love your avatar BTW! =P



icon4.gif  Oh No... I haven't read that one yet.... [message #420] Sun, 27 October 2002 20:30 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Evil or Very Mad ARGGGGHHHH!!!! Evil or Very Mad

**iWIndoze desperately claws at his eyes**

I hadn't seen that one yet!! ARGGGHHH!!!

This is what I get for checking in here first
rather than looking for any updates from Ellen
right off the bat like I used to!!!


**iWindoze logs off and goes to read the latest**

Re: Oh No... I haven't read that one yet.... [message #432] Mon, 28 October 2002 13:53 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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sooooooooooooooo what do you think ? you like the latest little tidbit. . . Ellen has us right where she wants us, holding our breath and pondering what the outcome will be. Sounds like a great time to do a poll Rolling Eyes


Doubt is a thief that often makes us fear to tread where we might have won --Shakespeare" --

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Re: What is Tuck? [message #447] Mon, 28 October 2002 23:39 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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> but wouldn't the doctor have noticed his lack or testicles?
> unless they asumed they were just undecended....

i'm sorry. but i HAD to say this....

I TOLD YOU SO!!!

there with the gloating out of the way, i'd like to say somthing else.

> if we get enough ideas we're bound to come up with ONE that's
> right.

this is probably how i am right about what happens in tuck so often. but if anyone believes i have phycic powers or cracked ellen's computer or something, i'm usualy on IRC, just wait around and i'll tell you endlessly about what will happen in the next 3 episodes. it's almost as fun as actualy reading them. but you get the infinite reread factor since it keeps changing each time.
Re: What is Tuck? [message #476] Sat, 02 November 2002 11:35 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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> To me, this implies something that can be checked by a General
> Practitioner, and is also something the boys will
> be "thrilled" about... probably an anal exam. Perhaps
> something to do with the prostate or absence of same.


umm... how many exams have you ever had? and what did the doctor do to you?

based on the several exams i've had, i'm assuming it's just checking for the testicles. for me it was always done right after the turn your head and cough test what ever that is. she's probably been skiping those with all her boy patients, and thats how tuck managed to get past her. and that's the 'thrill' she's talking about.
Re: What is Tuck? [message #477] Sat, 02 November 2002 14:50 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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I wondered about what that thrill she was talking about was. How often do guys get an exam like that? The only time I've seen or heard of it was in movies and books in sequences about draft exams.

- Erin
Re: What is Tuck? [message #478] Sat, 02 November 2002 14:52 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Sorry to answer my own post, but I just cracked up wondering if the doctor's doing such exams make sure to use cold hands or gloves. LOL. Anyone who's had a gyno will know what I'm talking about. Smile

- Erin
Re: What is Tuck? [message #479] Sat, 02 November 2002 23:14 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Sad Rectal exams are infrequent to young men. But they become frequent as they reach "middle-age" and beyond.

Laughing Doctor's gloved hands are always 'cold' regardless of which orfice is being examined.

Carla
Re: What is Tuck? [message #480] Sun, 03 November 2002 00:40 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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My guess is that what Dana is talkinhg about goes beyond a rectal exam. She talks [Okay, thinks] about the "boys". Unless Bill is going to get an empathy exam, she is not thinking about the Tuckers. My guess is the boys she is talikng about are the residents & med students rounding with the expert[s] handling Tuck's case. No boring hemorrhoids or jock itch here. Shocked
At least that's my read on the situation.

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Re: What is Tuck? [message #483] Sun, 03 November 2002 12:05 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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> I wondered about what that thrill she was talking about was.
> How often do guys get an exam like that? The only time I've
> seen or heard of it was in movies and books in sequences about
> draft exams.

prostate exams would NEVER be given to somone under 20. unless maybe if they had some weird symptom that would indicate prostate cancer. but that is VERY unlikely in somone tuck's age or younger.

but the turn your head and cough test and cheking the testicles was given to me every year my father wanted me to play sports. it was also needed once a year or somthing like that in order to go on the camp outs with the boyscouts.
Re: What is Tuck? [message #484] Sun, 03 November 2002 12:19 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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> My guess is that what Dana is talkinhg about goes beyond a
> rectal exam. She talks [Okay, thinks] about the "boys". Unless
> Bill is going to get an empathy exam, she is not thinking
> about the Tuckers. My guess is the boys she is talikng about
> are the residents & med students rounding with the expert[s]
> handling Tuck's case. No boring hemorrhoids or jock itch
> here.

no. i'm fairly certain "the boys that come in" are not going to be doctors. for one thing that would be assuming that all the doctors are male. i don't think Doc Trebel would have said somthing like that. when was the last time a doctor came to you?. you always have to go from building to building looking for each one's office. usualy that takes days. tuck's only got and MRI and a meeting to discuss the test results. not a whole line of doctors.

the explaination that makes a lot more scence is that dana hasn't been giving boys the turn your head and cough round of tests at their exams. and that alowwed tuck to get by to so long without anyone finding out about his testicles. so, now that it has hurt somone she's goin to resume doing the tests to all the boys she does exams on.

> At least that's my read on the situation.

well, this is mine. and you are wronge. IMO
Re: What is Tuck? [message #485] Sun, 03 November 2002 12:23 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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i've been wondering somthing. when tuck describes being brough through the ringer. it could just be a general description of how he feels. but it also sounds a lot like a mamogram. i havn't had one of these done yet. so i was wondering if someone who has could tell us if what tuck described was anything like a mamogram.
Re: What is Tuck? [message #486] Sun, 03 November 2002 17:45 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Getting your tit caught in a wringer is the standard expression for a mammogram, and fairly accurate, I must say. So yes, I immediately thought of that also. And it makes sense, unexpected tissue growth could well call for a thorough x-ray exam of that sort.

- Erin
Re: What is Tuck? [message #488] Mon, 04 November 2002 21:59 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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erin wrote on Sun, 03 November 2002 16:45

Getting your tit caught in a wringer is the standard expression for a mammogram, and fairly accurate, I must say. So yes, I immediately thought of that also. And it makes sense, unexpected tissue growth could well call for a thorough x-ray exam of that sort.

- Erin


MRI would probably be more accurate. . . .


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Vicki wrote on Mon, 28 October 2002 12:53

sooooooooooooooo what do you think ? you like the latest little tidbit. . . Ellen has us right where she wants us, holding our breath and pondering what the outcome will be. Sounds like a great time to do a poll Rolling Eyes



**iWindoze looks up from his pot**

Not right now, I waiting for my flowers to grow!


Very Happy
Re: Oh No... I haven't read that one yet.... [message #491] Tue, 05 November 2002 23:07 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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iWindoze wrote on Tue, 05 November 2002 20:59

Vicki wrote on Mon, 28 October 2002 12:53

sooooooooooooooo what do you think ? you like the latest little tidbit. . . Ellen has us right where she wants us, holding our breath and pondering what the outcome will be. Sounds like a great time to do a poll Rolling Eyes



**iWindoze looks up from his pot**

Not right now, I waiting for my flowers to grow!


Very Happy

**Vicki look around for a watering pitcher**

to make the flowers grow.....where is that new chapter additive ?


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Re: Oh No... I haven't read that one yet.... [message #499] Sat, 09 November 2002 16:17 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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At least iWindoze has read this most recent chpt.

Did you pick up that Travis spoke as if Val really could have a child? It almost seemed that Val entertained the thought before thinking "I hate my mixed up body." Is Travis just fooling himself or does he really think of Val as a girl?

It will definitely interesting to find out what Tuck's DNA is. At least we know that a biopsy was taken and that a genetic's person was involves. What do you think XXY?
Re: What is Tuck? [message #506] Sun, 10 November 2002 14:14 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Pacchi wrote on Mon, 23 September 2002 08:14

I also think the nightmares are a product of Tuck's tendency towards paranoia and anxiety. Tuck tends to react very emotionally to stresses, and these seem to project into his dreams. Those times when he feels safe, the nightmares tend not to occur.

Tuck tends to have better dreams after having a particularly fulfilling date with Travis. These dreams tend to almost have a window quality on Tucker's true feelings. He obviously associates with Travis as Valerie, as evidenced by one particular dream whereby he seems to be a normal female. Then there is the other dream wherein he has kids that call him Daddy.

Susan, Mike and Amy seem to have calming effects on Tuck's dreaming, as well as his parents.

To me, the nightmares seem to be purely a psychological quirk of Tuck's, though there possibly may be physiological influences. It just doesn't seem to be affected by things other than anxiety, paranoia and stress. Also, I am not familiar with hormonal influences on dreaming so I wouldn't discount the likelyhood of me missing a vital clue or twenty.

- P


I think hormones do help the mind function as I know there are hormone receptors throughout the body where estrogen or testerone plug in to assist with the daily operation of the bodys functions. Of course depending on what is pluged in has a direct effect on how the body develops. I do not think hormones have any effect on the individuals core idenity through as you are born relating in a male or female manner


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Maynard said "Is Travis just fooling himself or does he really think of Val as a girl?"

Yeah, the remark about Val having kids AND Travis' seeming need for an explanation...

What exactly is going through Travis' head when he thinks of Val?
Re: What is Tuck? [message #529] Tue, 12 November 2002 14:01 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Pacchi wrote on Mon, 23 September 2002 08:14

I also think the nightmares are a product of Tuck's tendency towards paranoia and anxiety. Tuck tends to react very emotionally to stresses, and these seem to project into his dreams. Those times when he feels safe, the nightmares tend not to occur.

Tuck tends to have better dreams after having a particularly fulfilling date with Travis. These dreams tend to almost have a window quality on Tucker's true feelings. He obviously associates with Travis as Valerie, as evidenced by one particular dream whereby he seems to be a normal female. Then there is the other dream wherein he has kids that call him Daddy.

Also, I am not familiar with hormonal influences on dreaming so I wouldn't discount the likelyhood of me missing a vital clue or twenty.

- P

The nightmares could be anxiety and fears of the known or the unknown. All women for the most part react emotionally to stresses, it is our life. Life is but a cascade of emotions, it is normal ! We laugh and we cry for almost any reason. I see no Tuck in the relationship with Travis only Valarie in thought, action and reaction. As to the "daddy" it might be the reminants of the social construct "Eugine" trying to survive but quickly disappearing as Valarie takes over the daily life not only in reality but in her dreams also.

Hormonal influences on dreaming hmmmmmm ? I have dreamed as a female for as long as I can remember but perhaps the dreams are a lot more romantic, loving and emotional now than they were.

[Updated on: Tue, 12 November 2002 14:15]


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I Chpt 57 when we first learn that Travis has found something out about Val from Lisa He says "That you used to be a guy."

This begs the question, as to has Val actually told Travis that he still is a guy, although one with a very feminine appearance. We know that they don't talk this side to their relationship from the discoveries at the last sleepover.

I really do hope that this isn't the case, but I've just got that niggling fealing that it is. Someone please tell me that I'm wrong.
Confused


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Wouldn't Travis notice that he was lying on Tuck's penis sometimes? I dunno... Tuck talks about the friction helping her to get off, got to be rubbing against something to have friction. Trav is a jock but I dunno if he's that dense. Smile

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I agree with you Erin that Travis does'nt appear to be that dense, but sometimes people only see what they want to see.

Travis as we know hasnt been out with many girls and Val is the first girl he's been intimate with. So although improbable, it is possible. Remember in #89 how Tuck wasnt certain that until recently testicles were'nt just the imagination of pornographers.

However Ellen is leaving us clues of something like this being in the wind with recent statements both from Julia at the last sleepover and Travis asking about kids while Val was acting motherly. Besides which Ellen seems to love the big breakup and what bigger reason could there be than Travis finding out that Val is not all he thought she was.


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I don't see how Travis could *not* know that Valerie has a penis. They've been naked together, and they've had anal sex. I don't think Travis did all that with his eyes closed ^_^

Travis probably didn't notice that she had a penis the *first* time he got her off--because of her condition, her penis is pretty small and does not become fully erect. And I believe she was wearing jeans at the time(?), which I think would further conceal its presence.


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Re: What is Tuck? [message #1990] Thu, 17 June 2004 00:31 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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I would say, from my own experiences, that the nightmares are most likely from the bullying and abuse. Both mental and physical.
So I would venture forth with the theory that Tuck may also be experiencing PTSS.
(When I was in school, I experienced them almost nightly or even several times a night. Even after 30+ years out of school, I still get some real "screamers" upon occassion.)

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Quote:

I would say, from my own experiences, that the nightmares are most likely from the bullying and abuse. Both mental and physical.
So I would venture forth with the theory that Tuck may also be experiencing PTSS.


but tuck has been having them for forever. he had the dream were he tried to kill people when he was still little. if his nightmares are from something that happened to him it has to be REALLY far in his past... andwhat could do that so that tuck is STILL f*cked up from them after all this time?

i'd almost say that what ever might have happened is the reason the tuckers are such security freaks and do all the crazy paramilitary stuff... but it says that tuck's dad taught susan first, then he had to teach tuck stuff to fight off her, then when brian came along...

you think maybe susan and/or her freinds did something to tuck to mess him up? i certainly don't. but it would have to go back that far wouldn't it? and where did tuck's thing about blood come from? are they linked? tuck may have some sceletons in the closet that even he forgot about.
Re: What is Tuck? [message #1995] Fri, 18 June 2004 01:52 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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OOPS!! Ahhh--- I forgot about the nightmares from little childhood part.

Bill having trained Sarah, Susan, Tuck & Brian is a really good point.

So, I submit for your approval the following possibility:

Since Bill had been in the military with no mention, other than one of where he served (that I can recall); Possibly Susan was kidnapped (or it was attempted) as a child to get Bill to give classified info?

I get the feeling that possibly Bill was one of those folks who did "hush, hush" stuff. He definately knows more than the average "GI" type.

Of course, the home alarm system, the "Ready to go" survival kits, weapons training, armory, etc are consistant, I feel, with what I feel Bill's MOS in the military was.

Or do you feel I am totally off base?

Lynna
Re: What is Tuck? [message #1997] Fri, 18 June 2004 12:23 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Or do you feel I am totally off base?


to be honest... yes.

tuck's dad isn't that old... he wasn't in the military THAT long... i don't think he could have been black ops type.

as far as susan having been kidnaped... COME ON!! that's a little too cheesy. besides, if they wanted to get to him, they would have just killed her.

as far as why he does all the stuff he does... part of it might be just that he enjoys the stuff, another becouse he went to war and saw how cruel humans can be to eachother, and finaly, he has no religion... he can't belive in the basic goodness of mankind, he's seen too much. he's a pragmatic optimist.

he reminds me of several songs and movies and stuf i've seen... one was an old black and white thing film about los angeles getting nuked and what would happen. it was REALLY optimistic, but it still was supposed to shock and horify you. the father is thretening people with guns and stealing and shooting and stuff and his wife is all freaking out that it's not right, that they should be above that kinda thing... but he knew the only law was what you made yourself... the only freedom is won by a rifle... when push comes to shove, there won't be a lawer, or a policman or even the national guard to save you. i've writen about this in the past... and i think this is bill's religion. he's deturmined that his family will live, no matter what happens.
Re: What is Tuck? [message #4440] Wed, 22 February 2006 21:31 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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first I feel I need to say I was unable to read past episode...64 or something... the one where tuck was dealing with the wound from experimenting with travis, and the pibnk bathwater.

that episode hit home so much I couldnt keep reading and had to take off and try to forget about this story for a long time, about a year I think, maybe more.

Having said that, with what knowledge I already have from those episodes before that, (keep in mind I didnt read most of this thread, I just cant read long threads like this) I would guess tuck has a form of intersex condition. I base this upon tuck's observation of travis when tuck was helping travis sexually and tuck was amazed at how much came out of travis and how it came out, combined with the statements in the story earlier about how tuck didnt seem to have that effect. I would guess tuck has either a hemi-ovary condition (each one of the pair is half ovary half testicle), has one of each, or all ovaries. I dont know the medical terminology for this obviously, but ive studied intersex conditions a lot.
Re: What is Tuck? [message #4441] Thu, 23 February 2006 04:36 Go to previous message
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Hi, Foxen -- welcome.

The thread you're reading and responding to here is of course several years old. Ellen provided us with more of an explanation of Tuck's physical anomalies in later chapters. It's complicated, but you're on the right track.

Eric
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