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New developments, one very important one that wasn't completely unexpected. A few teases and some good laughs. I'd say more but I hate to be a spoiler. Smile So if you haven't read it, do so.
Re: Tuck 122 [message #4840] Sun, 12 November 2006 22:06 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Okay, no one else is commenting tho I can't figure out why.

Kim's breakup with Mike seems to be based one her deciding that she is or might be lesbian. Did anyone else get the feeling that she is attracted to Val?

The tempest with the Parkers seems to be blowing over. Thoughts?

How does that kitten keep getting into Tuck's room? I had cats for twenty years, I'm allergic to the little guys so I had to keep them out of where I slept. It wasn't easy. Smile

Tuck DJing for Debbie? Cool. But $50 bucks for a dj is slave wages. Still, not bad for breaking in -- what do you bet Debbie doesn't get offers for Tuck to DJ at other gigs? At $200 a night, $50 for Debbie. Smile

Costumes. One costume, scary the way Tuck thinks of things and one that could probably be carried off, is to go as Bill Gates. Smile

What happens to Tuck's nightmares when the drugs that prevent them are stopped?

I love the dog and Hangover is such a perfect name for a basset hound. Smile Ruffles isn't bad either.

This really felt to me like Tuck settling back into a groove. Or rather Ellen doing so,

- Erin
Re: Tuck 122 [message #4841] Mon, 13 November 2006 00:29 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Erin Halfelven wrote on Mon, 13 November 2006 01:06

Kim's breakup with Mike seems to be based one her deciding that she is or might be lesbian. Did anyone else get the feeling that she is attracted to Val?


Oh, yeah, for a few chapters now. But Kim always were a bit odd about Val. She was the one who had the hardest time thinking about him as male when in Tuck-mode.

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The tempest with the Parkers seems to be blowing over. Thoughts?


"Blow over" is probably appropriate. At this point, it seems Mrs. Parker is not actually that angry at Val anymore, but she has a hard time understanding and wants to talk about it -- only Tuck keeps finding excuses to avoid the talk. Ricky's outburst at the end of chapter 121 could possibly drive home that she might be pushing too hard.

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How does that kitten keep getting into Tuck's room? I had cats for twenty years, I'm allergic to the little guys so I had to keep them out of where I slept. It wasn't easy. Smile


No idea, but don't forget that Tuck's door does not lock anymore. I can't remember if it was bust open or if Dad just removed the lock; either way, the latch might not be working right either.

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Tuck DJing for Debbie? Cool. But $50 bucks for a dj is slave wages. Still, not bad for breaking in -- what do you bet Debbie doesn't get offers for Tuck to DJ at other gigs? At $200 a night, $50 for Debbie. Smile


More important, though, is that Tuck might actually talk to Debbie sometime regarding this job. Those two are overdue for talking out some stuff.

On the Tuck-to-Debbie front: another fallout from Kim's breakup is that Debbie apparently switched middlemen when dealing with Tuck. Jill is the Packette most friendly with Tuck and the Rat Boyz; she might assume a more active role in getting Tuck and Debbie to talk than Kim ever did.

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What happens to Tuck's nightmares when the drugs that prevent them are stopped?


They will come back, of course. One wonders what they will be about. Locker room, certainly... but what else?

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Sir Lee wrote on Sun, 12 November 2006 21:29

"Blow over" is probably appropriate. At this point, it seems Mrs. Parker is not actually that angry at Val anymore...

The dynamics of the following:
From Tuck 122 - 16:47 28 Oct

...Then she stopped and demanded, "What are you DOING?"
"Desensitizing Stella to the presence of the dog," I answered.
She almost said something before I could report, "And it's working,some."
"How much?" she frowned.
"She can handle the dog about twelve feet away from her as long as it doesn't howl." .... "Not bad for one day."
Her face went a couple different ways.


If the intent of the Parkers was to drive Val away, or set up Ricky's attention away from Val with the use of the dog, it seems to be backfiring. It seems obvious that somewhere downstream within the Parker family, independent of Valerie, there was going to be an issue between Stella and Ricky over the dog. By the reaction of Miz Parker in the last sentence above, the dog may have been a temporary tool for the adults. One, use it to get rid of Valerie, then later, get rid of the dog because Stella is scared of it, over Ricky's objection. Not certain if they're that Machiavellian, but you never know.... Sad
Re: Tuck 122 [message #4843] Mon, 13 November 2006 04:32 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Erin Halfelven wrote on Sun, 12 November 2006 19:06

Kim's breakup with Mike seems to be based on her deciding that she is or might be lesbian. Did anyone else get the feeling that she is attracted to Val?

Yes, ever since she cuddled with Tuck at the Fourth of July party. But she should know enough about the Tuck-Mike relationship to realize that there's no chance there until and unless Mike finds someone else.

I'm still going with my old analysis that Kim, because of her issues with males, wants to have a lesbian relationship but isn't physically attracted to females. Then again, given Kim's poor self-image, compounded by the social pressures involved, I don't know that she'd have dared to approach anyone if she did find women attractive, or even respond to an offer before now.

We do know (though Tuck might not) that Kim has been spending extra time with Debbie lately, organizing the Knights. We learned at the last sleepover (though Kim wasn't present) that Debbie once gave Kathy a demo session, so to speak, when Kathy got curious about lesbian sex. Makes me wonder if Kim's getting the same now. For one thing, both Debbie and Kim declined the sleepover invitation claiming other plans for that night.

(To be fair, Debbie was almost sure to decline to attend a party in Tuck's basement, given what happened to her last time she was there, and Kim seems to have been trying to avoid Tuck and Mike -- and very likely Kelly and Jill -- at that time.)

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The tempest with the Parkers seems to be blowing over. Thoughts?

I thought so too at first reading. But when I read Monday afternoon again I realized that Miz Parker really couldn't have let Val go that day unless she had no conscience at all, given Val's crying session and then the news about Mike's breakup on top of everything else. And as of the end of the chapter, the Parkers haven't come home on Wednesday yet. So that leaves Tuesday, when the narrative virtually skips the two hours or so between Miz Parker's arrival and Val's departure. You're probably right that there was nothing stopping them from firing Val at that time, but Beth may have wanted to put another day between the ax and Val's various recent traumas.

On the positive side, as Tuck noted, if the Parkers wanted to or were willing to fire Val without a face-to-face meeting, they could have done that at any time within the past five days. We can therefore conclude that they're choosing not to do that. I do think Val's safe from them if she makes it through the week.

(And Ellen's clearly lightening the mood here: the word "cold" was used seven times in the portion of Monday in this chapter, four times on Tuesday and just once ("It wasn't nearly as cold as yesterday") so far on Wednesday.)

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How does that kitten keep getting into Tuck's room?

His door won't close. Tuck says on Wednesday morning that getting permission to fix that is (still) on his to-do list. (His parents -- or his common sense -- may be preventing him from using the door wedges under present circumstances.)

Erin continued

This really felt to me like Tuck settling back into a groove. Or rather Ellen doing so.

I was a little surprised how routine everything seemed, since so much of it differed from Tuck's usual life patterns.

Eric
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Erin Halfelven wrote on Sun, 12 November 2006 22:06

Kim's breakup with Mike seems to be based one her deciding that she is or might be lesbian.

That is probably part of it, but I think a big part of it is also the fact that since the attack, Mike and Tuck have been holding back information and excluding her from many things, while at the same time bringing in Jill and Kelly.

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Did anyone else get the feeling that she is attracted to Val?

I'd say that is highly likely. It would definitely explain the voice mail she left, almost like she wants to reach out to Val, but she's afraid to because of Val's close relationship with Mike.

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How does that kitten keep getting into Tuck's room? I had cats for twenty years, I'm allergic to the little guys so I had to keep them out of where I slept. It wasn't easy. Smile

Ever since Sarah had Bill disable the electronic lock to his door, he's been brooding over the fact that the only way to secure his door is with a wedge. We've also seen that Sarah in particular has no qualms over opening that door without waiting to be let in. It's possible that she's leaving the door slightly ajar after checking up on him at some point during the night.

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What happens to Tuck's nightmares when the drugs that prevent them are stopped?

Forget nightmares, less than one day after stopping the Valium Tuck's having waking anxiety attacks.
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maltor wrote on Mon, 13 November 2006 07:44

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Did anyone else get the feeling that she is attracted to Val?

I'd say that is highly likely. It would definitely explain the voice mail she left, almost like she wants to reach out to Val, but she's afraid to because of Val's close relationship with Mike.


We actually have a partial precedent on this kind of situation: Itchy-Bitchy Tina, who Mike dated despite Tuck's warnings -- and eventually crashed and burned.

It's a "partial" precedent because I don't think we have info on whether Tuck had already moved on (to Debbie?) when Mike began dating Tina.

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Erin Halfelven wrote on Sun, 12 November 2006 19:06

Okay, no one else is commenting tho I can't figure out why.


I didn't partly because I was waiting to see what other people said and partly because this is another "need more info" chapter.

There are lots of bits and pieces, but not enough to ask intelligent questions.

Erin Halfelven wrote on Sun, 12 November 2006 19:06

Kim's breakup with Mike seems to be based one her deciding that she is or might be lesbian. Did anyone else get the feeling that she is attracted to Val?


*That* never occurred to me. But it doesn't quite feel right.

I'll have to re-read the post attack (or at least the post-"Outing-of-Kelly") chapters.

My (not terribly serious) thoughts on those lines were Kelly (as the only known lesbian at school other than Debbie) and maybe Jill.

The avoidance of Jill would then be Kim being really conflicted.

Erin Halfelven wrote on Sun, 12 November 2006 19:06

The tempest with the Parkers seems to be blowing over. Thoughts?


I'm still not sure about Mrs. Parker. Though the bit with Ricky & Val abusing Stella's "No!" response is either going to make them *more* worried or else reassure them.

Erin Halfelven wrote on Sun, 12 November 2006 19:06

How does that kitten keep getting into Tuck's room? I had cats for twenty years, I'm allergic to the little guys so I had to keep them out of where I slept. It wasn't easy. Smile


Either the door doesn't latch worth a damn with the power gone (quiet likely as a fire safety measure), or the kitten is sneaking in while the door is open.

Erin Halfelven wrote on Sun, 12 November 2006 19:06

Tuck DJing for Debbie? Cool. But $50 bucks for a dj is slave wages. Still, not bad for breaking in -- what do you bet Debbie doesn't get offers for Tuck to DJ at other gigs? At $200 a night, $50 for Debbie. Smile


It's getting paid for something he likes doing anyway. Well usually. Smile

I expect trouble either while taking Ricky out trick-or-treating, or at Debbie's dance.

Erin Halfelven wrote on Sun, 12 November 2006 19:06

Costumes. One costume, scary the way Tuck thinks of things and one that could probably be carried off, is to go as Bill Gates. Smile


Not likely. Besides the lack of recognition by most folks, there's the fact that as a proper hacker, that'd make him feel *so* slimy.

One potential source for a *major* bad scene is *when* (not if) Ricky wants to trick or treat at the Upshaw's. Cindy(?) is apt to react badly or say the wrong thing in front of Ricky.

Not even necessarily with malice (hopefully she's been warned about all the stuff Debbie and Mike warned the Parkers about.

But I can all too easily see her making typical goofs like thinking Val is a "costume".

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What happens to Tuck's nightmares when the drugs that prevent them are stopped?


Well, he may have *different* ones. And for that matter, given the circumstances, he may be able to ask to keep taking Valium.

I could see him being approved to use them on school nights or something. Probably with required reporting on when he's taking them, and how that correlates with nightmares.

Given a few recent comments by various members of the Pack, I think his return to school is going to have him discovering that he can no longer easily "pass" as a guy.

No idea where Ellen might take that if she goes that way. Other than Tuck *not* wanting to be seen as a girl at school.
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Sir Lee wrote on Mon, 13 November 2006 10:14

We actually have a partial precedent on this kind of situation: Itchy-Bitchy Tina, who Mike dated despite Tuck's warnings -- and eventually crashed and burned.

It's a "partial" precedent because I don't think we have info on whether Tuck had already moved on (to Debbie?) when Mike began dating Tina.

That doesn't feel right to me, even as a partial precedent. Mike and Kim only became friends as a result of Tuck and Debbie dating, so she was friends with both of them before she and Mike became a couple. I can't imagine Tina having such a friendship with the two of them before she started dating Tuck, nor can I see her braking up with Tuck just so she can date Mike.
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Erin Halfelven wrote on Mon, 13 November 2006 03:06


What happens to Tuck's nightmares when the drugs that prevent them are stopped?

This really felt to me like Tuck settling back into a groove. Or rather Ellen doing so,

- Erin



One feeling I get is that Tuck does not feel that his parents are accepting Val. They have both seen Val, through the sitting, but Tuck is still changing at Rachels. If Tuck isn't getting the support at home that is needed then the parentals are still being excluded from a portion of their childs life.

With the breakup of the relationship with Travis and the issues with the Parkers, Val is less emotionally secure so Val is not going to be the release she was.

My final word at the moment is about Jill. Jill wanted to talk to Tuval about something and I don't think she fully told what she wanted.

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Brooke wrote on Mon, 13 November 2006 23:15

I expect trouble either while taking Ricky out trick-or-treating, or at Debbie's dance.[...] One potential source for a *major* bad scene is *when* (not if) Ricky wants to trick or treat at the Upshaw's. Cindy is apt to react badly or say the wrong thing in front of Ricky.

Depends on whether Ricky's accustomed to being driven around for trick or treat -- I'm pretty sure his cousins aren't within convenient walking distance of the Parker place. Anyway, Val already told him, more or less, that she's not going with him, and he's probably going to trick or treat right after dinner, by which time Val will be gone, so it'll be up to the Parkers to keep an eye on him.

On the other hand, if Ricky does get together with Gary and David Upshaw that night, he might learn something even in Valerie's absence. For Cindy's own reassurance, she probably cross-examined her kids about Valerie once she found out, and she might not have been able to find out what she wanted to know without explaining why she was concerned.

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karen_page wrote on Tue, 14 November 2006 02:36

My final word at the moment is about Jill. Jill wanted to talk to Tuval about something and I don't think she fully told what she wanted.

Good point. There are probably a dozen possibilities, and some of those might shake things up considerably.

A longshot speculation: Jill's ready to do something desperate about her family situation -- either petitioning for emancipation or proceeding with something illegal or dangerous -- and either wants help from Tuck and Da Boyz, or Tuck's insights as to where to go and what to do after things hit the fan. (Two possibilities: New Orleans and Long Island.)

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Erin Halfelven wrote on Sun, 12 November 2006 19:06

Tuck DJing for Debbie? Cool. But $50 bucks for a dj is slave wages. Still, not bad for breaking in -- what do you bet Debbie doesn't get offers for Tuck to DJ at other gigs? At $200 a night, $50 for Debbie. Smile


Was I the only person who thought the money, or even the DJ'ing, wasn't the main point of this? This is going to be at the school, and big enough to warrent a DJ; similar to the last party. Tuck is going to be clearly visible to the school as being back, even if they didn't notice Tuck back in class. (Actually, Tuck might no be back in class quite yet, at this rate.) I'm not sure exactly what message Debbie means to send- I still don't understand her entire plan- but this is a message. The fact that Tuck is actually a decent DJ is a bonus.
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Yeah, Tuck as DJ parallels Val's appearance at last year's Halloween dance, completing a "heroic" circle. What will Tuck wear? Something comfortable but perhaps costumey, most likely.
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OtherEric wrote on Tue, 14 November 2006 10:07

Erin Halfelven wrote on Sun, 12 November 2006 19:06

Tuck DJing for Debbie? Cool. But $50 bucks for a dj is slave wages. Still, not bad for breaking in -- what do you bet Debbie doesn't get offers for Tuck to DJ at other gigs? At $200 a night, $50 for Debbie. Smile

Was I the only person who thought the money, or even the DJ'ing, wasn't the main point of this? This is going to be at the school, and big enough to warrent a DJ; similar to the last party. Tuck is going to be clearly visible to the school as being back, even if they didn't notice Tuck back in class. (Actually, Tuck might no be back in class quite yet, at this rate.) I'm not sure exactly what message Debbie means to send- I still don't understand her entire plan- but this is a message. The fact that Tuck is actually a decent DJ is a bonus.

Your point's well taken, but I'd sharpen it a little. I doubt that Debbie's inviting the whole school to her dance; if that were her plan she'd just hijack the real Halloween dance for her own purposes.

She's probably holding it for the Knights. Debbie's public stand on Tuck, as we heard from her conversations preceding the strike, was "that was over long ago" and "he's a dork, so let him be a dork, but that shouldn't be cause for beatings and worse." Her strategy, of course, was to make Tuck's situation a symptom of a school out of control instead of a reasonably isolated incident. So putting a spotlight on Tuck, so to speak, would seem to represent a change in her official position. But I'm as uncertain as you are what message she's trying to give her group.

(Or whether it even has to do with the group. Debbie has reason to fear Tuck and his parents. They very probably have information she can't afford to have made public, and they have the capability -- well, to shoot her dead if they consider her enough of a threat, even though she did help to save Tuck's life. Anything she can do to make her relationship with Tuck and the family more harmonious would clearly be in her best interests. And if she can do it, as in this case, entirely through intermediaries, all the better.)

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Thinking a little more about it, since the dance is on school property, Debbie may be obligated to let the entire school body in, which sort of leaves me back where OtherEric started.

(Is she charging admission to cover expenses? If so, could she get away with giving the Knights a discount?)

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karen_page wrote on Tue, 14 November 2006

One feeling I get is that Tuck does not feel that his parents are accepting Val. They have both seen Val, through the sitting, but Tuck is still changing at Rachels. If Tuck isn't getting the support at home that is needed then the parentals are still being excluded from a portion of their childs life.


*That* was the other point I meant to go into last night but forgot about.

Yeah, he's still changing at Rachel's.

But I suspect it's a combo of habit, and his not actually having *thought* about it.

There's also the fact that while he *knows* that Brian and the parentals know, he's not sure how comfortable they are with it.

And he's still got some shame there too. At least with regards to his homosexuality, which is likely still linked with being VFal in his mind.

If it wasn't for the shame factor, I could see him deciding to come home still dressed as Val just to bug Brian. But that isn't going to happen until he's sure the parentals are ok with Val. And until Brian isn't going to go all weird about him being a "fag".

Hmm. come to think of it, there's also the chance that some of Brian's friends might be at the house, and since they aren't cleared for knowing about Val (nor likely to be) that's a sufficient reason not to come home as Val.

karen_page wrote on Tue, 14 November 2006

With the breakup of the relationship with Travis and the issues with the Parkers, Val is less emotionally secure so Val is not going to be the release she was.


The Pack seems to be treating Tuck as "Val in funny clothes" a lot more than they used to. So that gives him back *some* of the support. Not all of it, but it'll help.

This *could* backfire at school though.

The Parkers may be coming around though.

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My final word at the moment is about Jill. Jill wanted to talk to Tuval about something and I don't think she fully told what she wanted.



We'll have to wait and see.

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Eric wrote on Wed, 15 November 2006 00:58

Thinking a little more about it, since the dance is on school property, Debbie may be obligated to let the entire school body in, which sort of leaves me back where OtherEric started.


Nope. If she (or more likely, D&E) is renting the facility, they don't have to let anybody in they don't want to.

Likewise, if it's for a school "club" and guests of the members, they can also exclude anybody they want other than club members.

Heck, school dances can exclude students quite arbitrarily as long as the reasons don't fall under the anti-discrimination laws. Remember, students have *fewer* rights with regards to the school.

Eric wrote on Wed, 15 November 2006 00:58

(Is she charging admission to cover expenses? If so, could she get away with giving the Knights a discount?)


Easily. But it's far more likely that she'll have rented the facilities (or is using them under the quite common "community groups may use school facilities" rules) for a *private party*.

If (for example) The SCA (Society for Creative Anachronism) has rented a school gym for an event, or otherwise gotten permission to use the facilities, they don't have to let anyone in they don't want to. And they *can* charge admission.

I've been an officer in a local SCA shire several times and I'm pretty familar with this stuff.

Public parks are a bit different, because there the default is "open to the public". But schools default to "only with permission" outside school hours and school activities.
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Erin Halfelven wrote on Mon, 13 November 2006 01:06

Costumes. One costume, scary the way Tuck thinks of things and one that could probably be carried off, is to go as Bill Gates. Smile


Oh, I got some ideas... one even scarier than Billg himself, his electronic alter-ego... "Microsoft Bob"! Or... well, Office 97 was out for more than one year, so Clippit the Office Assistant would be scary enough, and more widely recognized.

One that is quite easy: trenchcoat, fedora, fake cigarette, and liberal quotes from old movies like "The Maltese Falcon", "Casablanca", "The Treasure of Sierra Madre," "The African Queen" and "The Big Sleep"... yes, a Bogey-man.

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I wonder if that's what Mrs. Gates calls him? Smile

So what is Tuck's costume going to be? Something androgynous? Because seriously, with the recent weight loss, anything masculine is probably going to make Tuck look, well, cute. That could really be hard on whatever is left of the old masculine ego.

I once cracked up a bunch of MS programmers by referring to their company as Ol' Small and Squishy. I wonder if they were thinking of Bill? Smile

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I think it's obvious that someone is letting the kitten into Tuck's room because even though the door won't lock, it's for certain that Tuck is closing it.

I don't think it's Sarah because Sarah knows of Tuck's allergies, worries about them and would guard against them even to the point of a gentle boot to keep the kitten out of Tuck's room.

Same reasoning goes for Bill with perhaps more gentleness.

But why would the kitten be in the hallway to follow either Bill or Sarah? The little cheeseball probably sleeps with Brian, normally.

Uh huh, I think Brian is getting up when all is quiet to go and check on his ailing sib. And for Brian, the cat is nearly invisible in that situation. He has neither Sarah's maternal anxiety nor Bill's perimeter awareness to keep the kitten from following him.
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Erin Halfelven wrote on Wed, 15 November 2006 12:38

I wonder if that's what Mrs. Gates calls him? Smile

So what is Tuck's costume going to be? Something androgynous? Because seriously, with the recent weight loss, anything masculine is probably going to make Tuck look, well, cute. That could really be hard on whatever is left of the old masculine ego.


Well, while that "ninja" comment could indicate that Ricky is going to go as a Ninja, Tuck might consider it as well. Alas, that's apt to backfire as he's likely to look *way* too female in it.

I get the impression that while the body armor helps "fill out", due to the underlying shape it may make him look more female.

A costume idea he *won't* go for but that he could almost pull off (to the great confusion of the teachers and others): topless dancer.

It's got the freak everyone out factor. He couldn't get gigged for it legally.

But he'd have to have no sense of fear and an entirely different personality for it to happen... Smile

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Brooke wrote on Wed, 15 November 2006 22:40

A costume idea he *won't* go for but that he could almost pull off (to the great confusion of the teachers and others): topless dancer.
It's got the freak everyone out factor. He couldn't get gigged for it legally.
But he'd have to have no sense of fear and an entirely different personality for it to happen... Smile



*shrieks in excitement* *runs around in circles barking* *climbs the drapes suddenly*

No, Tuck DEFINITELY doesn't have the personality to pull this one off. As Larry Niven (or one of his characters) said, "Nude is artistic. Naked is defenseless." and Tuck would definitely feel NAKED in that costume... and would get in trouble for not wearing his body armor.
Not to mention, it's cold enough outside that Tucker's nipples would be sticking out far enough to get him in trouble...

But, OMG, the images... Obviously-fake-counterfeit money in a garter? Rhinestones? 3+2" platform heels that light up? That big foofy blonde wig that even Debbie won't wear under ANY circumstances? Tiny streaks of cornstarch dusted under his nose? *snerk*
But his breasts aren't THAT large...
*chokes* Oh, no, I KNOW; a pleated 'skirt' that's about eight to ten inches from his waist, black Mary Jane platform heels (in patent black), white trouser socks or stockings, and a costume white see-through blouse (unbuttoned) plus a couple of hair-extension braids as pigtails.

Everyone that knew Tuck, if they saw him in THIS, would have heart problems... his mom would brick him permanently into a corner of the basement, and Dobson might need to retire prematurely for health reasons...


Where's Pacchi damnit!?


PS: if you want the Halloween horror twist, dried (cow) blood on the inside of his thighs down to the stockings.
Re: Microsoft Bob and other frights [message #4869] Tue, 21 November 2006 13:50 Go to previous message
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Ellen Hayes wrote on Tue, 21 November 2006 05:36

Brooke wrote on Wed, 15 November 2006 22:40

A costume idea he *won't* go for but that he could almost pull off (to the great confusion of the teachers and others): topless dancer.
It's got the freak everyone out factor. He couldn't get gigged for it legally.
But he'd have to have no sense of fear and an entirely different personality for it to happen... Smile



*shrieks in excitement* *runs around in circles barking* *climbs the drapes suddenly*

No, Tuck DEFINITELY doesn't have the personality to pull this one off. As Larry Niven (or one of his characters) said, "Nude is artistic. Naked is defenseless." and Tuck would definitely feel NAKED in that costume... and would get in trouble for not wearing his body armor.
Not to mention, it's cold enough outside that Tucker's nipples would be sticking out far enough to get him in trouble...

But, OMG, the images... Obviously-fake-counterfeit money in a garter? Rhinestones? 3+2" platform heels that light up? That big foofy blonde wig that even Debbie won't wear under ANY circumstances? Tiny streaks of cornstarch dusted under his nose? *snerk*
But his breasts aren't THAT large...
*chokes* Oh, no, I KNOW; a pleated 'skirt' that's about eight to ten inches from his waist, black Mary Jane platform heels (in patent black), white trouser socks or stockings, and a costume white see-through blouse (unbuttoned) plus a couple of hair-extension braids as pigtails.


That's *scary*. I was at a local con (Orycon) this weekend, and saw a young lady (skinny enough to be Tuck, come to think of it) in that sort of skirt. Of course, she had a *slightly* more opaque blouse. But she also had a bushy tail.... And if her panties hadn't been opaque and matched her skirt, there'd have been problems.

I'm still trying to figure out how she got the tail to twitch though. Smile

Ellen Hayes wrote on Tue, 21 November 2006 05:36

Everyone that knew Tuck, if they saw him in THIS, would have heart problems... his mom would brick him permanently into a corner of the basement, and Dobson might need to retire prematurely for health reasons...


Where's Pacchi damnit!?


PS: if you want the Halloween horror twist, dried (cow) blood on the inside of his thighs down to the stockings.



Funny you should mention that. She had dried blod on her legs. (and her arms and...)
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