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Spirituality in Tuck [message #336] Tue, 22 October 2002 01:29 Go to next message
Erin Halfelven  is currently offline Erin Halfelven
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A discussion in the chat room got a tiny bit heated, completely unintentionally on everyone's part, so it cooled off quick, but--

It's an interesting question, what does the spirituality in Tuck mean? Mike and Tuck have some sort of spirit-bond, they believe in it and it seems to be real. Mike has an athame; for any who do not know what that is, it's a ceremonial knife, usually associated with paganism.

Tuck agreed to tell things to his therapist after a bloodoath was negotiated. The negotiation is pure Tucker Smile but what does the bloodoath mean to Tuck? And to the therapist?

Mike seems to change religion as often as Tuck changes clothes, does he really have one? And if so, is it the same one as Tuck, if Tuck has one.

-Erin
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Re: Spirituality in Tuck [message #340] Wed, 23 October 2002 01:32 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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also somthing to keep in mind.

mike was raised in a VERY religious houshold. his father is a minister or somthing. and his parents adopted him while doing missionary work.

tuck had the exact opposit. his father was raised in a very strict religious family but he rebelled as soon as soon as he got out of the house. he hates all forms of organised religion. but tuck's father seems to belive in something(just an impresion i got from the dice with death night). but tuck never had religion or spirituality forced on him.

so... lets hear those opinions!
Re: Spirituality in Tuck [message #360] Thu, 24 October 2002 19:11 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Doragoon wrote on Wed, 23 October 2002 00:32

also somthing to keep in mind.

mike was raised in a VERY religious houshold. his father is a minister or somthing. and his parents adopted him while doing missionary work.

tuck had the exact opposit. his father was raised in a very strict religious family but he rebelled as soon as soon as he got out of the house. he hates all forms of organised religion. but tuck's father seems to belive in something(just an impresion i got from the dice with death night). but tuck never had religion or spirituality forced on him.

so... lets hear those opinions!


I do think that Mike and Val/Tuck formed a boy/boy bond in the past but the dynamics of the bond are changing to a boy/girl as Tuck continues to transform not only physically but spiritually. You can see it in the way both Mike and Val act and react towards each other. Now it is instead of male bonding it is more like brother and sister. They both still care but in a diffrent way towards each other.


Doubt is a thief that often makes us fear to tread where we might have won --Shakespeare" --

-Vicki
Re: Spirituality in Tuck [message #390] Fri, 25 October 2002 17:12 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Vicki wrote on Thu, 24 October 2002 16:11


I do think that Mike and Val/Tuck formed a boy/boy bond in the past but the dynamics of the bond are changing to a boy/girl as Tuck continues to transform not only physically but spiritually. You can see it in the way both Mike and Val act and react towards each other. Now it is instead of male bonding it is more like brother and sister. They both still care but in a diffrent way towards each other.


I would tend to disagree... Mike's bond with Tuck still is boy/boy. But in reality it transends gender. The dynamics of their bond may be changing as Tuck spends more and more time in Val mode, However the bond itself has remained unchanged. They share a link that identical twins are said to have.


As far as spirituality goes..... I dont believe you have to hold to any certain religion to lead a spiritual life....

The blood oath between Tuck and the therapist..(which obviously wasnt her first one) was to show that it was a promise beyond mere words. Tuck takes these oaths very seriously... think about how he felt when mike confronted him about their broken oath. I think that his therapist takes it just as seriously and will not break it.
Re: Spirituality in Tuck [message #393] Fri, 25 October 2002 23:56 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Nicole wrote on Fri, 25 October 2002 16:12

Vicki wrote on Thu, 24 October 2002 16:11


I do think that Mike and Val/Tuck formed a boy/boy bond in the past but the dynamics of the bond are changing to a boy/girl as Tuck continues to transform not only physically but spiritually. You can see it in the way both Mike and Val act and react towards each other. Now it is instead of male bonding it is more like brother and sister. They both still care but in a diffrent way towards each other.


I would tend to disagree... Mike's bond with Tuck still is boy/boy. But in reality it transends gender. The dynamics of their bond may be changing as Tuck spends more and more time in Val mode, However the bond itself has remained unchanged. They share a link that identical twins are said to have.

I think we could honestly say that the origional seriousness and spirituality of the blood bond are intact and as you said it transends gender. I just don't see Valarie and Mike sharing a linked focus or being of the same thoughts where one can start a sentence and the other finishes it


As far as spirituality goes..... I dont believe you have to hold to any certain religion to lead a spiritual life....

Life is spirituality in itself, it transcends all religons as they all have the same rudimentary goal.

The blood oath between Tuck and the therapist..(which obviously wasnt her first one) was to show that it was a promise beyond mere words. Tuck takes these oaths very seriously... think about how he felt when mike confronted him about their broken oath. I think that his therapist takes it just as seriously and will not break it.


Doubt is a thief that often makes us fear to tread where we might have won --Shakespeare" --

-Vicki
Re: Spirituality in Tuck [message #400] Sat, 26 October 2002 01:45 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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> I just don't see Valarie and Mike sharing a linked focus or
> being of the same thoughts where one can start a sentence and
> the other finishes it

take another look at (02:19 2 Sep) and (21:08 2 Sep).

also there's the game of killer that mike played with... i think it was george. in which "george" remarks somthing like, without tuck mike is only half a person/team. i rememebr i got the impression that they had some kinda link when they played so they always knew what the other was doing. i don't know for sure. i don't have tuck season as well memorised as regular tuck.
Re: Spirituality in Tuck [message #402] Sat, 26 October 2002 02:30 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Doragoon wrote on Sat, 26 October 2002 00:45

> I just don't see Valarie and Mike sharing a linked focus or
> being of the same thoughts where one can start a sentence and
> the other finishes it

take another look at (02:19 2 Sep) and (21:08 2 Sep).

also there's the game of killer that mike played with... i think it was george. in which "george" remarks somthing like, without tuck mike is only half a person/team. i rememebr i got the impression that they had some kinda link when they played so they always knew what the other was doing. i don't know for sure. i don't have tuck season as well memorised as regular tuck.


Yes I think your right now as I do think I remember that they played their game together like an intergrated team. But I think the game and only the game were they able to be as one. If Mike and Vallarie were so close in thought in all things there would be no misunderstandings or doubts or fears as all one felt and knew the other one would also.


Doubt is a thief that often makes us fear to tread where we might have won --Shakespeare" --

-Vicki
Re: Spirituality in Tuck [message #424] Mon, 28 October 2002 02:44 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Ellen Hayes wrote in Episode 29

Debbie and Tuck were tight, but the bond between
Mike and Tuck had been almost frightening. Two souls,
she thought, and then had another curious thought.
Maybe, she wondered, if Tuck is having problems with
his sexuality or whatever, that the problem was that
he was in love with Mike? Of course, that didn't fit
with him and Debbie. And it didn't really feel quite
right, either.

It was more like Mike and Tuck were twins, she realized.
She'd seen a pair of identical twins do something similar,
once. Linked in the womb, and forever after. It couldn't be
quite the same, of course, but the bond was the same. Like
they were twins of the spirit.

She rolled over, and watched Tuck sleep, with Debbie
wrapped around him like she was afraid he'd go again in her
sleep.


I dunno...but I'd say Ellen intends to keep us guessing! ;P
Re: Spirituality in Tuck [message #425] Mon, 28 October 2002 09:18 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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hehe, you never know do you. Auntie Eiien knows and she is not telling Rolling Eyes at least not yet


Doubt is a thief that often makes us fear to tread where we might have won --Shakespeare" --

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icon11.gif  Re: Spirituality in Tuck [message #481] Sun, 03 November 2002 08:21 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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**iWindoze sits on his typing hands and waits a fortnight**
Bored It looks to be a loooong wait (watched pot=> never boils)...

Re: Spirituality in Tuck [message #487] Sun, 03 November 2002 22:34 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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but if you have a pot you can always plant a seed Very Happy


Doubt is a thief that often makes us fear to tread where we might have won --Shakespeare" --

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Re: Spirituality in Tuck [message #489] Tue, 05 November 2002 21:55 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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icon14.gif  Re: Spirituality in Tuck [message #492] Wed, 06 November 2002 21:40 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Laughing puns are great!! Rolling Eyes

I didn't want to be the first

Mike and Tuck are definitely "twins in spirit". IMHO there will be little chanage between Mike and Val. They will always care about each other and support the other in their life choices.

Carla
Re: Spirituality in Tuck [message #495] Sat, 09 November 2002 11:27 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Reading Chapter 90 once Mike had calmed down, made me think of this thread.

Quote:

"I can see the chi," Mike said. "The chi, connecting us."
"You're hallucinating," I reminded him.
"Yeah, but it is like so cool," he said admiringly, looking at me.
"I mean, it's like ribbons and interconnections, like, like this really
complex network between us, and it's glowing with life and love and
positive energy and stuff, and it's balanced between us, the yin and the
yang..."


Spookily like some of the conversation going on here. It may have just been some wierd remnent from the MDMA in his brain, but there are those who say that with certain drugs, you can see things that are there but not visible to normal people.


Gareth


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Re: Spirituality in Tuck [message #496] Sat, 09 November 2002 12:46 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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"As Jill tried to think of a comeback, Mike
said, 'You should get married.'
'What?!' we both protested. "Who?' Jill
demanded."

Hmmmmm... I wonder if Mike has unconciously picked up on something more than a teasing note between Tuck and Jill???Methinks,more is to come! Laughing

Cate Twisted Evil
Re: Spirituality in Tuck [message #497] Sat, 09 November 2002 15:59 Go to previous message
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Cate, I am wondering if the word is "fore-shadowing", that is, maybe Ellen is giving a sort of hint of some connection between Jill and Tuck. Of course we have discussed this connection in the past.
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