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What if Brian knew about Valerie? [message #166] Tue, 24 September 2002 21:00 Go to next message
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Assume Brian has accidentally discovered Tuck's secret life but in such a way that Tuck does not immediatley know that Brian knows. What do you think Brian would do and what might be the consequences of Brian's knowledge?

I'm working on a story based on this idea but that doesn't mean I can't ask the group for ideas. Sometime before the end of the month, with a little luck, I intend to post, "Brian's Last Stand" (working title) to this board.

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Re: What if Brian knew about Valerie? [message #167] Tue, 24 September 2002 23:07 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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brian respects tuck and does have fond feelings for his geeky older brother. but there's a lot of resentment that tuck is more into and better at the nerdy type stuff thier father is into. however brian gets time with thier father doing more athletic and "manly" kinda stuff (like going to the shooting range).

so.. that's the background...

brian's reaction would probably depend on how much he found out. like, how long does he think it's been gonig on. is he dating girls or guys. is it just for the job. is he going out like that. is he growing breasts.

in general, i think brian's first responce would be greed. he could make a nice profit from that knowledge. after that it would be tuck's call as to wether it was worth brian's price. tuck is still very afraid his parents will disown him or ship him to boot camp or something for this... so he'll probably pay.

after that, it would be brian hopeing that no one else found out about tuck. 1. it's makeing him money being the only one to know, if the parents or school found out he couldn't get paid anymore. 2. he is his brother and the reputation of one does tend to hurt the other. being the brother of a fag is almost as bad as being the fag unless you bash him like everyone else. 3. he does care about his brother and doesn't want him to get killed. he will defend him as he has done in the past. 4. the family would be really upset if tuck died and brian might not get noticed for a long time if tuck ends up back in the hospital.

if he just found stuff out a little at a time, like seeing tuck coming out of the shower or somthing it might not be so bad. he might even pretend he didn't notice it. it would only be when it starts affecting him that he begins to care. like how tuck looks in public. or who tuck is dating. or maybe even if it's somthing that his parents wouldn't aprove of.

so. is that kinda what you were thinking? that sounds like a good basis for a story, but there will need to be more things happening to make it a wild and wacky adventure like the story we all love.
Re: What if Brian knew about Valerie? [message #170] Wed, 25 September 2002 00:09 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Blackmail, huh? I'll have to admit that didn't occur to me. Smile

Let's say Brian learns by seeing Tuck as Valerie shopping with her girlfriends in a mall; and some of Brian's friends saw her, too.
Re: What if Brian knew about Valerie? [message #174] Wed, 25 September 2002 01:33 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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> Let's say Brian learns by seeing Tuck as Valerie shopping with
> her girlfriends in a mall; and some of Brian's friends saw
> her, too.

he would probably recognise the girls that always are coming to sunday dinner, then he'd notice a one of them he doesn't recognice untill he looks closer. so probably only brian would notice. his freinds wouldn't notice her. they all go to a differant school and wouldn't even recognise any of the girls or even tuck. heck, that first day none of the school recognised him. so brian would try his hardest to keep his freinds from getting too good of a look or getting val to go some place else. so that would be very much like how susan reacted in the mall. if brian is like tuck then he'll think to try to get pictures of val. with pictures he would own tuck. probably get him to drive him to places and a moderate monitary extortion.

without pictures there would be animosity for tuck denying like mad and brian not having anything he can do. untill he gets proof.

if brian is nicer than tuck would be to him (not supported by the story, but the story is from tuck's slanted perspective) then he would just have a huge screaming intervention with him, asking him what he was doing and trying to figure out how far it goes. after that my model falls apart becouse brian just isn't that nice to tuck... and tuck would never stand that from brian... unless he had pictures.

by far, the most likely is to try to cover it up, get tuck to stop, or be more carefull, and/or blackmail. going to the parents would be a waste. and telling anyone at school would look bad on him. unless he's growing up into one of the kinda of jocks that nearly killed tuck. but even then there would be no point to it. why tell people somthing that could be used to make fun of you. now, telling someone that hates tuck, that has possibilities, but brian doesn't want tuck hurt or killed.

ok... i think thats a big enough look into his head for tonight.
Re: What if Brian knew about Valerie? [message #178] Wed, 25 September 2002 03:48 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Nice analysis. Someone else who thinks Brian would try blackmail, I wonder why this never ocurred to me? Smile
Re: What if Brian knew about Valerie? [message #185] Wed, 25 September 2002 19:22 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Erin, I am surprised that you do not remember the previous time that when Tuck was late or something and Brian used that to get money out of him. That was in the earlier part of the Saga. I do believe that Brian would try to get some monetary reward for the knowledge of Val. Especially this would be true if he had pictures. But I am not totally persuaded that he could pull it off as well as Tuck could. I think he would be torn emotionally in terms of how to deal with this knowledge (this would be apart from the money issue).


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Re: What if Brian knew about Valerie? [message #189] Thu, 26 September 2002 01:29 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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there was alteast one time when tuck came home with a girl or two that was not deb and brian wanted a bribe. the time he was late it was his father that took the brib. bribery seems to be an integral part of the tucker family. it would be an everyman skill for thier family.

> I think he would be torn emotionally in terms of how to deal
> with this knowledge (this would be apart from the money issue).

what would he be torn between? exposing him and keeping his secret? exposing him might be a knee jerk reaction... but who would he tell? telling parents is a story ending event, unless tuck doesn't know that they know, but they would want to have a talk with him about it. there are a few things that must be true for the story to continue. tuck has to feel like no one knows about it except the people he chooses to let know. none of his freinds can be harmed by what he's doing. tuck can't be harmed by what he's doing. and he needs a reason to do it (if he lost the job and travis went away, he would only be val for going to the cafe. how long will that last? oh, and one last thing, it has to be easy for him. if it gets too hard or too scary he'll quit.


P.S.: how about another story line that might have merit as a fun fan-fic. if sheila recomends a fresh start for tuck... a new school. tuck get's transfered to red bluff. can anyone think of enough fun things to do with that to make a story out of it?
Re: What if Brian knew about Valerie? [message #198] Thu, 26 September 2002 15:59 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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I didn't say I didn't remember the requests for bribes, I said blackmail did not occur to me as an initial reaction. The Tucker's are a much more competitive and devious bunch than I am, I guess. Smile
Re: What if Brian knew about Valerie? [message #199] Thu, 26 September 2002 16:05 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Doragoon wrote on Thu, 26 September 2002 01:29


what would he be torn between? exposing him and keeping his secret? exposing him might be a knee jerk reaction... but who would he tell? telling parents is a story ending event, unless tuck doesn't know that they know, but they would want to have a talk with him about it. there are a few things that must be true for the story to continue. tuck has to feel like no one knows about it except the people he chooses to let know. none of his freinds can be harmed by what he's doing. tuck can't be harmed by what he's doing. and he needs a reason to do it (if he lost the job and travis went away, he would only be val for going to the cafe. how long will that last? oh, and one last thing, it has to be easy for him. if it gets too hard or too scary he'll quit.


I disagree with some of that reasoning; I think Ellen has enough skill to pull off losing a major source of tension in the story like Tuck's parents finding out what is going on. The inevitablity of that discovery is part of the tension but you can't keep up the bluff forever. Slowly, more and more people find out, next I think will be Sheila, then she will have the dilemna of whether to tell Tuck's parents and violate her oath or keep the oath not to interfere unless Tuck is risking his life or endangering others. She could probably self-justify but the angst might last several episodes. Smile

Doragoon wrote on Thu, 26 September 2002 01:29


P.S.: how about another story line that might have merit as a fun fan-fic. if sheila recomends a fresh start for tuck... a new school. tuck get's transfered to red bluff. can anyone think of enough fun things to do with that to make a story out of it?


You mean start over at Red Bluff as Valerie -- that could tie in with the bit above about Sheila finding out.
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> You mean start over at Red Bluff as Valerie -- that could tie
> in with the bit above about Sheila finding out.

not really. i mean everyone things tuck is atending red bluff, but infact since everyone there knows him as valery he has to be her at school too. but shiela wouldn't know, his parrents wouldn't know. no one would know. it would have a lot of tention again.
Re: What if Brian knew about Valerie? [message #509] Sun, 10 November 2002 18:41 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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I am wondering if Brian will be in attendance at the conference with Tuck, parents and doctors. I know that it was suggested that he might not be there, but that might change. And then if he is made aware of the changes in Tuck, will this set him up to find out about Val? Any opinions?
Re: What if Brian knew about Valerie? [message #510] Sun, 10 November 2002 21:57 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Is it just me, or did Tuck and Brian work pretty well together with the whole Mike thing?? Seems to me that a closer relationship could be in the works. Maybe if brian finds out that he has more of a sister than a brother that isn't macho, then he'll ease off a little and become more supportive...
Re: What if Brian knew about Valerie? [message #511] Mon, 11 November 2002 13:41 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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That might be a possibility. But remember that when Tuck was in trouble at the ball park, Brian did not hesitate to step forward.

I am wondering if Brian's interest in girls might have a bearing on his future relations with Tuck. It seems that there have been a couple of references recently to Brian's wanting more girls like his brother or at least being able to attract them. And maybe if he was not too shocked by his brother being his sister, then he could see the positive benefits.
Just rambling.
Re: What if Brian knew about Valerie? [message #512] Mon, 11 November 2002 14:28 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Maynard wrote on Mon, 11 November 2002 12:41


Dark canuck
That might be a possibility. But remember that when Tuck was in trouble at the ball park, Brian did not hesitate to step forward.

I am wondering if Brian's interest in girls might have a bearing on his future relations with Tuck. It seems that there have been a couple of references recently to Brian's wanting more girls like his brother or at least being able to attract them. And maybe if he was not too shocked by his brother being his sister, then he could see the positive benefits.
Just rambling.


I too see in the near future a meeting of Valarie perhaps by chance by Brian maybe in the mall.
As to the reality hitting home maybe something like failure of Valarie to remove a certain set of earrings that Brian sees on Tuck while in a scuffle later that afternoon. And then the body shape and the breast become apparent!! In brief intuitive flash as Brian backs off he knows without a doubt that Tuck IS Valarie. I could see the fearful anguish of the reality of discovery on Tucks face as she starts to collapse and then Brian smiles as he looks into her eyes and tells her gently, "Valarie it's ok" as he reaches out and supports her she cries softly in her brothers arms.
(me just rambling too)


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Re: What if Brian knew about Valerie? [message #517] Mon, 11 November 2002 16:46 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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> I could see the fearful anguish of the reality of discovery on
> Tucks face as she starts to collapse and then Brian smiles as
> he looks into her eyes and tells her gently, "Valarie it's ok"
> as he reaches out and supports her she cries softly in her
> brothers arms.

*sigh* that would be wonderfull. thank you for that nice peacefull image. it's a nice thought after a psyco and messed up chapter.
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Doragoon wrote on Mon, 11 November 2002 15:46

> I could see the fearful anguish of the reality of discovery on
> Tucks face as she starts to collapse and then Brian smiles as
> he looks into her eyes and tells her gently, "Valarie it's ok"
> as he reaches out and supports her she cries softly in her
> brothers arms.

*sigh* that would be wonderfull. thank you for that nice peacefull image. it's a nice thought after a psyco and messed up chapter.


LOVE is amazing isn't it ?


Doubt is a thief that often makes us fear to tread where we might have won --Shakespeare" --

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Re: What if Brian knew about Valerie? [message #519] Mon, 11 November 2002 21:57 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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I talked with Ellen about this possibility, Brian discovering that Tuck is Valerie. Ellen's idea is that Brian would start thinking in terms of blackmail. Smile

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Re: What if Brian knew about Valerie? [message #526] Tue, 12 November 2002 13:25 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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erin wrote on Mon, 11 November 2002 20:57

I talked with Ellen about this possibility, Brian discovering that Tuck is Valerie. Ellen's idea is that Brian would start thinking in terms of blackmail. Smile

Erin


Blackmail is so sad especially about something this life threatening and life changing. It would change forever the dynamics and relationship between the siblings. The relationship would never recover and the trust would be forever gone. It would make living under one roof into a living hell. Trust and love would no longer exist only hate and fear. If this happens I would feel so sorry for Valarie since she is delicate emotionally I fear it would push her over the edge. To have a sibling turn against you it would be horrible. Even with her intelligence she would again run away and flee possibly to live with her b/f or on the streets or perhaps something darker.


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Re: What if Brian knew about Valerie? [message #528] Tue, 12 November 2002 14:00 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Perhaps you've misread some of the saga; casual blackmail over small things is the norm of relationships in the Tuckersib. On large things, they close ranks and advance on the enemy, as demonstrated by the most recent episode.

What Ellen meant, I think, is that since Tuck had not revealed the existence of Val to Brian then Brian would assume it was a secret that Tuck wanted kept. From the parents, not from Tuck's very real enemies. So Brian would be able to use this knowledge to coerce concessions from Tuck, like taking a few more chores or even getting money.

This would involve negotiations between the sibs and if Brian asked for too much Tuck would respond with threats of bodily injury, which Brian very well knows that Tuck could accomplish. At this point, Brian is probably stronger than Tuck but he doesn't have Tuck's fighting skill because he hasn't had as much time or incentive to develop it. I think they both know how that stands, too.

At least, that is how I interpret things.

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Re: What if Brian knew about Valerie? [message #531] Tue, 12 November 2002 14:31 Go to previous message
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erin wrote on Tue, 12 November 2002 13:00



This would involve negotiations between the sibs and if Brian asked for too much Tuck would respond with threats of bodily injury, which Brian very well knows that Tuck could accomplish. At this point, Brian is probably stronger than Tuck but he doesn't have Tuck's fighting skill because he hasn't had as much time or incentive to develop it. I think they both know how that stands, too.

At least, that is how I interpret things.

Erin


I agree if the concessions are minor I think it would be tolerable sibling rivalry but if the blackmail had major implications like the new laptop or destruction of something personal or attempted exposure relating her job or school life it could get ugly very quickly.


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