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Pacchi  is currently offline Pacchi
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Had a go at Jill,

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Picasaweb mirror:

http://picasaweb.google.com/pacchi/Tuck/

- Edit3: re-did Jill's eye color to be a (hopefully) more common blue/grey, unless anyone has any other ideas? (I certainly don't mind, keep the feedback coming :))

- Edit2: Ahha, thanks Sir Lee, yes, I had updated the image corresponding to the original link, I guess the weird number is some sort of checksum type output? Adjusted link to the "gallery" rather than specific picture. Also, picasaweb was chosen only because I already had a gmail account, if people have sensible alternatives for archiving these, please suggest them (something as close to basic HTML would be best, javascript and flash are annoying.)

- Edit1: took down local image, as several revisions in progress, new versions will be on picasaweb first, will update this post again when something approaching final settles in.

[Updated on: Tue, 20 November 2007 18:26]

Re: Jill [message #5531] Sun, 18 November 2007 12:42 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Erin Halfelven  is currently offline Erin Halfelven
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I like this, too. Smile

- Erin
Re: Jill [message #5532] Mon, 19 November 2007 19:54 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Ellen Hayes  is currently offline Ellen Hayes
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For the record, I love it; we're just discussing shoe color (black, methinks) and whether Jill would have the extremely rare green eyes.

And remember, positive feedback to the author makes more of these pieces of art happen.
HINT!


Ellen
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Re: Jill [message #5533] Mon, 19 November 2007 20:18 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Sir Lee  is currently offline Sir Lee
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For the record (and to help the people who tried to follow Pacchi's link):

For some reason, the above link no longer works. But you can find the picture from the folder link, which seems to be stable (no apparently-random humongous number as part of the URL). It has three -- count 'em, three -- variants of the Jill artwork, two unfinished (pencils?) of Mike's pic (and the final one, of course), plus one of Tuck and the one of Kathy. Really worth the visit.

As for the green eyes: I think both Jill and Debbie are from Irish families, aren't they? (I seem to recall Tuck worrying that they would give him a piece of their mind if he forgot wearing green in St. Patrick's Day...). Aren't green eyes less unusual among Irish?

Sir Lee

[Updated on: Mon, 19 November 2007 21:50]


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Re: Jill [message #5534] Tue, 20 November 2007 00:18 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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According to my sources, green eyes are commonest among Hungarians, Afghanis and Irish. In that order. Smile Green eyes aren't that rare in America, about 3% to 6% depending on whether you count gray green and hazel green as green.

Many people tell me I have green eyes but they are really gray-blue with hazel flecks in them.

- Erin
Re: Jill [message #5536] Tue, 20 November 2007 11:52 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Actually, I think they are common not exactly among Afghani in general, but particularly among the Pashtun ethnic group. Remember that iconic "National Geographic" cover from, oh, the early eighties? The one with the Afghan refugee girl with the haunted green eyes? The girl was a Pashtun.


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Re: Jill [message #5537] Tue, 20 November 2007 22:11 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Hungarians run about 20% to green eyes, Afghani and Irish about half that. If the Pashtun were all their own country, they might out green the Hungarians. Smile In Hungary, it isn't just one ethnic group but Magyars, Germans, Slavs, Mediterranean-types etc, all have higher levels of green eyes than the same groups elsewhere. Weird.

Human eye color is polygenic and it's possible not all of the green eyed populations are expressions of the same genes but they do seem to make a definable belt across Europe and the Middle East into India with green eyes more common north of the belt and most common in the belt.

- Erin
Re: Jill [message #5538] Thu, 22 November 2007 04:24 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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FWIW, in case anyone's connecting Jill's light-colored eyes with her platinum-blonde hair (possibly a little whiter than the picture, BTW), it should be remembered that the latter's a dye job -- Tuck tells Amy during the summer that Jill's natural hair color is darker than Amy's. Of course, the "black Irish" generally have very dark hair and blue eyes.

(For that matter, I had reasonably dark hair (before I got bald and gray) and blue eyes, though I'm not Irish.)

Eric
Re: Jill [message #5540] Fri, 23 November 2007 10:11 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Sir Lee wrote on Tue, 20 November 2007 01:18

As for the green eyes: I think both Jill and Debbie are from Irish families, aren't they? (I seem to recall Tuck worrying that they would give him a piece of their mind if he forgot wearing green in St. Patrick's Day...).


*boggles*

Uh. Uh. Um. Uh...

*goes away and has a bit of a lie-down*

No, Tuck's worry was that they would pinch (the $@*$& out of) him if he didn't wear green. Any excuse for physical abuse, at least amongst males in junior high.
Not that wearing green kept him from getting pinched that day, but he tried.
And at least George didn't pinch him.


And, the green-eyed ?Pashtun woman on the National Geographic cover, I think it's in snopes, was identified through that cover and her irises.


Ellen
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Re: Jill [message #5541] Fri, 23 November 2007 10:31 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Ellen Hayes wrote on Fri, 23 November 2007 13:11


*boggles*

Uh. Uh. Um. Uh...

*goes away and has a bit of a lie-down*


I'm not sure what I did to cause this much distress to our beloved author, but whatever it was, I ask humbly for her forgiveness.

Ellen Hayes wrote on Fri, 23 November 2007 13:11

And, the green-eyed ?Pashtun woman on the National Geographic cover, I think it's in snopes, was identified through that cover and her irises.


Yeah, I read the "20 years after" article on NatGeo. My mom is a subscriber. That's where I recall reading that she's a Pashtun. My memory is funny that way...

Sir Lee


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Re: Jill [message #5543] Fri, 23 November 2007 19:42 Go to previous message
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Ellen's just astonished at the non-expectation of minor violence. LOL.

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