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EGS: Cover Design [message #5365] Sat, 22 September 2007 13:08 Go to next message
Ellen Hayes  is currently offline Ellen Hayes
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No Pacchi. This seems to be nearly the root of the problem. *sighs*

Lulu.com offers two possibilities. One, I make an entire fold-around-and-glued-in-place cardboard cover, and design ALL the elements including spine text. Else, I do front and back, and let them do whatever they feel like doing on the spine. I want the first choice.

Since I bet the only time this book (or series) would be put into a bookstore is via special order, I'm not too worried about a back cover blub.

I have considered just a plain color cover with appropriate text. This seems lame, but would be easy.
If I do graphics... I don't have any. Or any skill. I believe I can get enough of the skill to combine elements; I don't think I can create any original element that doesn't suck very badly.

And I REALLY REALLY want that the covers have a certain similarity, and that the spines when lined up on a shelf look like a series.
If not that, then I want them to look TOTALLY DIFFERENT, not like a series at all.
I'd prefer the first... but that's harder.


No Pacchi. *sobs*


If I go for Lulu's "Published By You" package, then I'm the publisher, and I need a logo. The logo should of course be a barking duck. Well, actually a duck howling at the moon. (I'd include a link to Lone Wolf Records, who used to handle ZZ Top, but I can't find a picture of their logo anywhere on the Web in five minutes. Sucks to be you, I guess; maybe that's why ZZ Top left.)


Ellen
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Re: EGS: Cover Design [message #5367] Sat, 22 September 2007 17:39 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Brooke  is currently offline Brooke
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Does their logo look anything like this:

http://userpic.livejournal.com/32983463/480690

(it's a 100x100 jpg and shouldn't take long to download even on dialup)
Re: EGS: Cover Design [message #5369] Sat, 22 September 2007 21:23 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Erin Halfelven  is currently offline Erin Halfelven
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What do you think about the logo I use on BC for Tuck? (as a title logo)

http://bigclosetr.us/topshelf/images/tuck.gif

I can try others if you're not fond of that one. Smile

And I can draw a duck, though a howling one is a bit of a challenge. Smile

Um, did I miss something? Why no Pacchi?

- Erin
Re: EGS: Cover Design [message #5372] Sat, 22 September 2007 21:58 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Ellen Hayes  is currently offline Ellen Hayes
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Brooke wrote on Sat, 22 September 2007 22:39

Does their logo look anything like this:


Well, actually, it might; but _I_ was thinking of a small (spine-sized) B&W resembling the Far Side's "Cow Of The Baskervilles", though in silhouette.
(maybe I should just do this myself... twisted people maybe should do their own art)

Brooke wrote on Sat, 22 September 2007 22:39

(it's a 100x100 jpg and shouldn't take long to download even on dialup)

That's not the problem, the problem is that the mouse cut&paste is no longer working; see my latest below on the Geek Things topic. Having to remember an arbitrary eight digit number, and then an arbitrary six digit number, is... strainful.


Ellen
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Re: EGS: Cover Design [message #5373] Sat, 22 September 2007 22:01 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Erin Halfelven wrote on Sun, 23 September 2007 02:23

What do you think about the logo I use on BC for Tuck? (as a title logo)

I'm thinking that at this point I don't want a title logo. If anything, I sort of prefer the nice text-y "Tucker" that's on http://www.barkingduck.net/jpg/cover2.jpg
Erin Halfelven wrote on Sun, 23 September 2007 02:23

Um, did I miss something? Why no Pacchi?

No contact with Pacchi in years. Do you have contact with Pacchi?


Ellen
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[Updated on: Sat, 22 September 2007 22:02]

Re: EGS: Cover Design [message #5391] Mon, 24 September 2007 06:04 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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I wonder if one could find an artist, either through TG or webcomic websites or via a Craigslist ad, who'd be willing to do the covers in exchange for T-shirt rights, possibly using Pacchi's artwork as a guide.

(Or am I missing the point here?)

Eric
Re: EGS: Cover Design [message #5392] Mon, 24 September 2007 10:48 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Ellen Hayes  is currently offline Ellen Hayes
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Eric wrote on Mon, 24 September 2007 11:04

I wonder if one could find an artist, either through TG or webcomic websites or via a Craigslist ad, who'd be willing to do the covers in exchange for T-shirt rights, possibly using Pacchi's artwork as a guide. (Or am I missing the point here?)


Well, no; you've mentioned some good ideas, that I hadn't thought of. I don't know how I feel about "licensing", but that does make some sense.

The reason I keep saying "Pacchi, Pacchi" is that I have at least one really good artwork, suitable for a front cover, from Pacchi; who knows what someone else would do?

Plus I have no money to commission art... but there's that licensing thing I could use for pay... but then I wouldn't get any of the money... maybe we could split it... but then we'd have to trust each other not to fuck each other - and trust, with me, is a very very limited and rare commodity ... Plus I don't know anyone, much less any artists, at the moment...

*smell of heated hair as Ellen stares off into space and mumbles to herself*


Ellen
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Re: EGS: Cover Design [message #5393] Mon, 24 September 2007 11:43 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Sir Lee  is currently offline Sir Lee
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Webcomics, hmmm, webcomics... I *think* I have seen mentions that the authors of some pretty well-known webcomics are Tuck fans. I'm not sure about names, but Dan Shive (from El Goonish Shive) and Erin Lindsay (from Venus Envy) might be among them. Maybe Anne Onymous (from "The Wotch").

If some sort of deal can be cut with them, they are well-known enough that this could bring additional readers.

Sir Lee


Don't call me Shirley. You will surely make me surly.
Re: EGS: Cover Design [message #5394] Mon, 24 September 2007 17:32 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Ellen Hayes  is currently offline Ellen Hayes
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Quite possibly. But... I'd like the cover art to look "good" which I mean professional quality; also I do not want to pay much money (if any).

Are any of those artists - or any others - looking really good, with solid artwork?

(Anyone else? This isn't a restricted discussion damnit!)


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Re: EGS: Cover Design [message #5396] Mon, 24 September 2007 18:56 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Well, they are "professional" enough to be taken seriously as comics artists (even if they have a hard time making money out of it). But their styles tend towards the cartoony. John Romita, Sr. they are not.

One artist that strikes me as very consistent and professional (he has been churning the equivalent of a full b&w comics page daily, Monday to Friday, for a few YEARS now) is Chris Hazelton from "Misfile" ( http://www.misfile.com ). He has a very manga-like style, which could go well as Tuck cover art.

Anne Onymous & Robin Erickson from "The Wotch" ( http://www.thewotch.com ) are also very consistent, but their style is more like "kid's comics", which I'm not sure would fit Tuck.

Dan Shive, from "El Goonish Shive" ( http://www.elgoonishshive.com ) is somewhere in the middle: still cartoony, but showing some influence from manga.

Erin Lindsay from "Venus Envy" ( http://www.venusenvy.com ) is less polished, but her style is a bit less cartoony also.

I have no direct line of contact with any of those (meaning, I'm not active in their boards or anything). Does anybody here HAVE this kind of contact?


Don't call me Shirley. You will surely make me surly.
Re: EGS: Cover Design [message #5414] Wed, 17 October 2007 21:54 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Ellen Hayes wrote on Mon, 24 September 2007 07:48

Eric wrote on Mon, 24 September 2007 11:04

I wonder if one could find an artist, either through TG or webcomic websites or via a Craigslist ad, who'd be willing to do the covers in exchange for T-shirt rights, possibly using Pacchi's artwork as a guide. (Or am I missing the point here?)


Well, no; you've mentioned some good ideas, that I hadn't thought of. I don't know how I feel about "licensing", but that does make some sense.


A friend noted the other day that the characters in <a href="http://www.questionablecontent.net/">Questionable Content</a>
look a lot like the Tuck crew to him.

We got turned on to it by a TG reference someone pointed out (one of the female characters making a comment about "being a boy").
Re: EGS: Cover Design [message #5419] Sun, 21 October 2007 21:30 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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*taptap* hello?

ahem, Hello?

I got the distinct impression I was summoned.

so uh...

whaaaaassssuuuuuuup?

- P
Pacchi is Back! [message #5425] Tue, 23 October 2007 22:27 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Yay!

Good to see you!

Hugs,
Erin
Re: EGS: Cover Design [message #5559] Tue, 11 December 2007 00:34 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Why not do two covers?

One collecters edition that comes in a woven cloth kind of binding or leather binding. Around the binding could be a sleeve with the cover artwork and such. But the binding would have somehthing to the effect of "Tucks Saga" in gold print.
How does a Red Crimson cloth bound ~cover~ with gold print and black triming sound?

And then paper back edition with no sleeve but the same cover artwork from the sleeve on the collecters edition.

(If what I've said isn't clear, just let me know. I have a tendency to explain things poorly)
~edited the word binding to cover~

[Updated on: Tue, 11 December 2007 02:24]


severely depressed right now.
need to scream.
Re: EGS: Cover Design [message #5583] Sat, 15 December 2007 00:01 Go to previous message
Ellen Hayes  is currently offline Ellen Hayes
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Mia wrote on Tue, 11 December 2007 05:34

Why not do two covers?
One collecters edition that comes in a woven cloth kind of binding or leather binding. Around the binding could be a sleeve with the cover artwork and such. But the binding would have somehthing to the effect of "Tucks Saga" in gold print.
How does a Red Crimson cloth bound ~cover~ with gold print and black triming sound?



Too expensive for anyone to buy, is how it sounds to me. Maybe I'm just cheap, but... I'd rather make a book someone could read, and not have panic attacks about whether a page got creased or whether their fingers are too sweaty to be touching the paper.

Heck, if you're in that kind of mood, get two (or three) copies; rebind one yourself, and keep the other(s) as reading copies.


Ellen
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