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EGS: Correct Errors? [message #5345] Thu, 20 September 2007 12:46 Go to next message
Ellen Hayes  is currently offline Ellen Hayes
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There are three kinds of errors:
1) Ellen Just Fucked Up - continuity errors, giving a person two different names, date errors, etc.

2) Style Errors - biggest one I can think of, is in Episode #2 wherein I have a tiny segment of Mike and George talking, no Tuck present. That totally does not fit the rest of the one hundred and twenty or so other "normal" first-person-Tuck-POV chapters.

3) Typos - they crept in, nobody ever catches them all.

Which, if any, should I fix?


Ellen
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Re: EGS: Correct Errors? [message #5349] Thu, 20 September 2007 14:21 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Erin Halfelven  is currently offline Erin Halfelven
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1) Fix the ones that bother you most. If they don't bother you much, don't worry about them. Commercial writers seldom bother fixing continuity errors in later editions because such fixes are almost 50% likely to introduce a new problem. Even if you try, you wn't get all of them and pitnickers will continue carping.

2) See 1. The one you mention is medium and if it can be fixed easily, go ahead. Otherwise no, not for trivial ones.

3) Get some help to fix as many of these as you can. Tuck is almost as clean as commercially produced fiction already. Like you say, no one gets all of these.

- Erin
Re: EGS: Correct Errors? [message #5355] Thu, 20 September 2007 15:42 Go to previous messageGo to next message
rachel.greenham  is currently offline rachel.greenham
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I'd say yeah, take the opportunity to fix stuff, over being purist with the text of the earlier chapters. To link with the other thread, it's better to fix the errors than sticking apologia in footnotes for them.

Fix what bugs you, fix what confuses readers (unnecessarily or inadvertently, anyway Wink ) Go so far as to rewrite passages if, in the fullness of time, you think it needs it, if it cleans something up, solves a problem, makes it read right, whatever. There's no need to be overly precious with your earlier output - just precious enough to stop you turning it into a complete rewrite that never gets done. <dig/> Razz Just a quick fix-up pass. Smile You are, hopefully, going to be reaching a whole new audience. I reckon it's worth it.

And, you know, us lot are going to buy it anyway, but if we know there are little changes that fix things up, we'll make a point of reading it again too. Smile (There'll probably be a competition to see who spots the most Very Happy )


Rachel
Re: EGS: Correct Errors? [message #5380] Sun, 23 September 2007 05:21 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Eric  is currently offline Eric
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Correct 'em all. (Easy for me to say...)

Seriously, though, I'm not sure it's fair to put all of your #1 into the same category. Some ought to be easy to correct or make consistent: things like Cory vs Cody, or Debbie's description of the flight and car arrangements for the convention trip as compared to what happens the day of the trip. Straight-up corrections like that shouldn't present any of the unforeseen story ramifications that Erin's worried about. (And things like the make of Travis's vehicle, which required awkward fixes during the story continuity, can be cleaned up now if desired, though they don't have to be.)

I think the More Serious Continuity Problems, like the duplicated date and the location of Tuck's car when he's ambushed, should ideally also be fixed (as opposed to being apologized for), but I can appreciate both the potential difficulty in doing so and Erin's concern for unanticipated story consequences.

In between, I guess, are inconsistencies in characterization during the early chapters: for one, Da Boyz starting out as innocent geeks, with Debbie and Lisa's own posse performing the pranks and social work, before evolving in spring 1997 to the state of affairs to which we're now accustomed. (And from that point to the most recent situation, where it's clear that Debbie, far from having trusted associates other than Da Boyz and Lisa, has to handle all the behavior modification leading to the strike by herself.) Things like that would very likely be extremely hard to alter without impacting on the story. Others, like Tuck's dismissal of his parents as mundanes early in the year, ought to be easier to change.

I guess my bottom line would be to make whatever corrections are possible in the time you're willing to allot, starting with the easier #1s and then the #2s and whichever #3s jump out at you (or us, if you'd like help), before fixing whichever tough #1s you can.

Eric
Re: EGS: Correct Errors? [message #5561] Tue, 11 December 2007 00:45 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Mia  is currently offline Mia
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I was wondering why things like "_this_" occur throughout the story. Is it something that just randomely occurs or is it an editing problem? It's not a hassle to read around and it happens less and less recently but it kind of sticks out in my mind.

~(I couldn't think of any other place this question would go; so here it is)~


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Re: EGS: Correct Errors? [message #5562] Tue, 11 December 2007 02:05 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Erin Halfelven  is currently offline Erin Halfelven
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That's an old BBS convention indicating italic or emphasized words. *This* was another, indicating bold type.

- Erin
Re: EGS: Correct Errors? [message #5572] Wed, 12 December 2007 18:48 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Eric  is currently offline Eric
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Noting the 1989 birthdate on Mia's page...

(BBS = Bulletin Board System (or Service), precursor to sites like this, chat rooms, etc., at a time when "straight" text like the format that the Tuck Saga is written in was all that was available, normally, through the 'net.)

Eric
Re: EGS: Correct Errors? [message #5574] Thu, 13 December 2007 18:25 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Mia  is currently offline Mia
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oooh kay, thanks Smile


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Re: EGS: Correct Errors? [message #5610] Tue, 25 December 2007 18:00 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Schol-R-LEA  is currently offline Schol-R-LEA
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IMO, the biggest continuity problems - not just for SoT but for serials in general - are those involving the backstory and characterizations. Characters who start out in a series as relatively flat figures often become very different as they turn into full personalities. As backstory gets filled in, things come up that should have been mentioned before. This is no fault of the writer; it's the natural evolution of any series, IMAO. However, it can present problems when going to novel form.

Re-reading the earlier installments, Bill and Sarah in particular change a great deal, going from little more than Ozzie and Harriet cut-outs to very active and idiosyncratic participants; in one early scene (in #10, "Tuck Tuck Goose"), Tucker describes Sarah as 'mundane', which doesn't fit her later appearances at all (checking quickly, AFAICT she'd only been on-camera once or twice at that point yet). Too much of what later became important is absent early on, like Tuck's childhood health problems. There are more than a few things which worked at the time but become awkward in retrospect.

I'm honestly not sure how to fix those sorts of things, but I would think that they would present the biggest hurdle in any re-write.

[Updated on: Tue, 25 December 2007 18:09]

Re: EGS: Correct Errors? [message #5611] Wed, 26 December 2007 04:36 Go to previous message
Eric  is currently offline Eric
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Schol-R-LEA wrote on Tue, 25 December 2007 15:00

Too much of what later became important is absent early on, like Tuck's childhood health problems.

Actually, I think the gradual way Tuck's health history comes out works exactly right -- Tuck treats it as something past, and there's just enough, as the story goes on, for us to know it's there, without being enough to foreshadow future developments. I'd be very surprised if Ellen didn't have that item figured out from the start.

The background of the Tuck-Mike relationship is a similar issue: the bond gets tighter as the tale goes on, but I wouldn't say offhand that anything reads wrong before we find out its depth. (Some of the aftermath of October 31-November 1, if I recall correctly, is logistically inaccurate based on the rest of the story, but that's a different point.)

But it's certainly true that some of the early characterization doesn't read all that consistently with later developments, and that changing some of that would be difficult to do. (Tuck's jealousy of Debbie and George (of all people) in a room together while Tuck's changing out of the Halloween costume is an example that comes readily to mind.)

Eric
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