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Worse than last time: #135 up [message #5636] Sat, 01 March 2008 16:38 Go to next message
Ellen Hayes  is currently offline Ellen Hayes
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May I not suck so bad for the next release.


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Re: Worse than last time: #135 up [message #5637] Sun, 02 March 2008 22:16 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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I enjoyed the episode so I guess you're referring to the length of time since the last posting under the heading of "worse". Smile

This one explores a little more the relationship between Mike and Tuck and also gives a little flash of light on Tuck's self-image.

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Re: Worse than last time: #135 up [message #5638] Sun, 02 March 2008 22:56 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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It's too late to suggest this, but with Tuck taking the next day off, it would be a perfect time for a non-Tuck POV episode, catching up on all the little dramas that make up the lives of the rest of the cast, while Tuck sleeps.

LuLou

Re: Worse than last time: #135 up [message #5641] Mon, 03 March 2008 04:22 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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I've just had time for a quick read of this latest and will have to go back and reread it, but one part did stick out as "noticeable". Valerie had an interaction with Debbie without freaking out. Only one knife and no asthma attack. Wow! Before we know it they'll be sleeping together.

Minds out of the gutter please, I mean at sleepovers... Laughing
Re: Worse than last time: #135 up [message #5642] Mon, 03 March 2008 11:05 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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LuLou wrote on Mon, 03 March 2008 03:56

It's too late to suggest this, but with Tuck taking the next day off, it would be a perfect time for a non-Tuck POV episode, catching up on all the little dramas that make up the lives of the rest of the cast, while Tuck sleeps.


Technically, it's not too late; I could write something in, starting on Tuck's day off. To catch up on their lives, though, would take a whole lot of episodes - two or three at least - and that wouldn't be Tuck, and I thought most people were tired of the non-Tuck-POV stuff.


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Re: Worse than last time: #135 up [message #5643] Mon, 03 March 2008 17:25 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Ellen Hayes wrote on Mon, 03 March 2008 08:05


Technically, it's not too late; I could write something in, starting on Tuck's day off. To catch up on their lives, though, would take a whole lot of episodes - two or three at least - and that wouldn't be Tuck, and I thought most people were tired of the non-Tuck-POV stuff.


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Since when did you give a rat's ass about what "most people" thought? Stay true to your art!!! Razz

Actually I would like to know what's happening to the perp's, if the kids at school know who they were, and, if they're treated as heroes or pariahs...

Is there any way to segue in an out between Tuck's view and multi-POV in a chapter smoothly?

[Updated on: Mon, 03 March 2008 17:29]

Re: Worse than last time: #135 up [message #5645] Tue, 04 March 2008 00:10 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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lurker wrote on Mon, 03 March 2008 22:25

Since when did you give a rat's ass about what "most people" thought? Stay true to your art!!! Razz


*beats you a lot*

Actually, I do pay attention to fans. I just may not do what any particular one, or group, wants to do.

lurker wrote on Mon, 03 March 2008 22:25

Actually I would like to know what's happening to the perp's, if the kids at school know who they were, and, if they're treated as heroes or pariahs...


Ahhh. Okay.

lurker wrote on Mon, 03 March 2008 22:25

Is there any way to segue in an out between Tuck's view and multi-POV in a chapter smoothly?


No. Well, I'm sure another writer could do it in their work, but not me, not in this format.


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#135 [message #5646] Wed, 05 March 2008 08:01 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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If Ellen does want input on this, I'd vote against interrupting the narrative for more third-person details. At the rate that story time is passing now, some momentum is being built up that I'd really hate to lose.

As for #135, I guess it makes sense, in the wake of Tuck almost shooting Debbie, that Bill has been clamping down even further on security: the main level of the house is now off limits to the family at night (Tuck, as the family member who has trouble sleeping, would seem to be the person potentially most affected) and within the past two weeks Bill has decided that it's necessary to rouse the household if anyone who knows how to access the basement weaponry actually does so. Again, it's Tuck, who apparently had a history of real reactions to dream events even before Debbie's (we've seen two or three such cases and been advised, I think, of others in the past) at whom this seems to be directed. (I assume that Bill's failure to pass along the new procedure to Tuck's email was inadvertent.)

I'm a little surprised, though, that Tuck isn't feeling unfairly constricted by the new rules.

Eric
Re: Worse than last time: #135 up [message #5647] Thu, 06 March 2008 02:20 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Ellen Hayes wrote on Tue, 04 March 2008 00:10

lurker wrote on Mon, 03 March 2008 22:25

Is there any way to segue in an out between Tuck's view and multi-POV in a chapter smoothly?


No. Well, I'm sure another writer could do it in their work, but not me, not in this format.


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Well, it wouldn't give us everyone's take on things, but we do know that Bill has a thing about writing reports. Perhaps you could give us some updates from Bill/Sarah/Brian/Mike, maybe even Susan POV in the form of Tuck rereading some of the reports or emails. That way we could get updates to the legal situation and police investigation and perhaps some more info on what happened when Debbie's plan came together just before the return to Tuck-POV. Maybe there can even be an email from Travis that he has been systematically ignoring for several weeks.

As much as I like Tuck-POV, I wish you would've waited another chapter so we could know what happened during the student strike and what happened afterwards. Multi-POV was finally starting to pay off in those last 3 or 4 chapters, and with the switch back to Tuck-POV, all those plot threads were just cut off at the knees.
Re: Worse than last time: #135 up [message #5648] Thu, 06 March 2008 06:47 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Hmmm... I don't know. Having Mike, or Bill, or Debbie go in a long-winded explanation of what has been going on is a bit too "Mr. Exposition" to my taste. And it doesn't mesh well with the rapid-fire dialogue Ellen has been using.

Inserting long quotes of a report wouldn't mesh well with the current style either, I think.


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Re: #135 [message #5649] Fri, 07 March 2008 08:48 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Eric wrote on Wed, 05 March 2008 13:01

If Ellen does want input on this,


If I have NOT SPECIFICALLY said "Y'all shut the fuck up about" a particular topic, ALWAYS ASSUME I want input.

Input drives the generator, you see. Even the "I'd never do that in a million years" might spark something.


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Re: Worse than last time: #135 up [message #5650] Sun, 09 March 2008 01:25 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Ellen Hayes wrote on Mon, 03 March 2008 08:05

LuLou wrote on Mon, 03 March 2008 03:56

It's too late to suggest this, but with Tuck taking the next day off, it would be a perfect time for a non-Tuck POV episode, catching up on all the little dramas that make up the lives of the rest of the cast, while Tuck sleeps.


Technically, it's not too late; I could write something in, starting on Tuck's day off. To catch up on their lives, though, would take a whole lot of episodes - two or three at least - and that wouldn't be Tuck, and I thought most people were tired of the non-Tuck-POV stuff.


Ellen
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Lulou has a good point, all those little dramas are interesting and would make good reading. I'm not tired of the non-Tuck-POV stuff, I like it because it helps round out the story.
Non-Tuck POV [message #5651] Sun, 09 March 2008 21:33 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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A couple of points:

- The story premise so far is that we learn everything from Tuck's POV as long as he's lucid enough to carry the story. Short of either an induced coma or a new and different alternative format, there doesn't seem to be a story-related reason for a non-Tuck POV chapter here.

- What people seem to be looking for is mostly stuff that Tuck could have told us, or could be telling us, but hasn't, either because he doesn't want to dwell on such things or has made it a point not to pay attention to them. Tuck would like to think (and would like us to think) that they aren't relevant to his story as he's thinking/recounting it. Consistency with the story premise would suggest that we shouldn't be given that information until/unless Tuck is obliged to confront its existence.

All that said, I could see Kathy, as the irresistible force in Tuck's company, breaking in with a short first-person chapter, to the effect that "here's what you ought to know about what's going on but Tuck hasn't been telling you..." Or, a bit more obliquely, a series of captions to Kathy's photos (unseen by us) for the school paper.

But I remain convinced that "two or three [episodes] at least" to dot the i's and cross the t's would cripple the story momentum and seriously run counter to our wanting to know how Tuck's story comes out.

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Well said [message #5652] Sun, 09 March 2008 21:54 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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I'd been trying to think of how to say what you just said.

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Re: Well said [message #5653] Sun, 09 March 2008 22:23 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Yeah, I don't think that "Tuck sleeps off the whole fucking day" (if he DOES, that is -- I expect Ellen has *plans* for this day...) would be enough excuse to insert a third-person chapter.


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Re: Well said [message #5654] Sun, 09 March 2008 23:38 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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LOL. Actually, that might work. Smile

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Re: Non-Tuck POV [message #5655] Mon, 10 March 2008 00:00 Go to previous message
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From Chapter 102

21:01 6 Oct

I actually had email again. This one was from Mike.

<Talked to Travis,> he'd written an hour ago. <He's pissed. Give him some time to think about things. WHY didn't you TELL him about your other (original) life?>

"Well, it didn't come up!" I complained loudly back at the email.

<You dumbass,> he continued. <That's what he's most pissed about. He told me he'll call you in a few days. Suggest you don't call him first.>

"Well, shit..." I didn't think I needed to cry again, but I was already.

The section above from chapter 102 is what I had in mind when I suggested Ellen give us information by having Tuck re-read those reports. It would would allow us to find out what's been happening with occasional quotes from reports like what appears above in the <>s, while at the same time allowing us to see how tuck reacts to it. I think that's a win-win for everyone: The story is still presented in Tuck-POV, but with a few nuggets of multi-POV sprinkled in.
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