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Tuck #137 now up [message #5697] Sun, 27 April 2008 11:33 Go to next message
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*shrugs*


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Re: Tuck #137 now up [message #5698] Sun, 27 April 2008 11:51 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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I'm getting a Forbidden error.

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Re: Tuck #137 now up [message #5699] Sun, 27 April 2008 11:54 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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There seem to be a problem with access. The previous chapter I can access but not the lastest.
Re: Tuck #137 now up [message #5700] Sun, 27 April 2008 12:20 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Me too. Was looking forward to reading more Tuck. Got this. Bummer!

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Re: Tuck #137 now up [message #5701] Sun, 27 April 2008 13:22 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Fixed now. Thank you, Ellen.

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Re: Tuck #137 now up [message #5702] Sun, 27 April 2008 13:41 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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LuLou wrote on Sun, 27 April 2008 10:22

Fixed now. Thank you, Ellen.

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What she said. Smile

Re: Tuck #137 now up [message #5703] Sun, 27 April 2008 16:44 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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I suck more than I thought. Sorry about that... the last thirty or forty times I did this, I did not have permission errors or need to change them.

Well, supposedly it works now, and works when I check it (not just local).


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Tuck #137 [message #5704] Mon, 28 April 2008 06:21 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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A few notes:

- Can't help wondering what Ricky would have said if Val had told him he could go see the band, but since two of the members already know him as a girl he'd have to dress up again. The way he's been avoiding being thought of as girly lately, he'd probably lock himself in his room...

- If Amanda's joining the crowd seeing Stepwise Pagoda tonight, nobody has told Tuck. Her ex, of course, is in the band. (We'll see, once again, if Val and company meet someone unexpected there, like Debbie or Lisa or Anne or Travis. Having been expecting something and not getting it for several weekend events now -- the Freaks' dance, the ballet, the bowling date -- I'm not expecting that kind of surprise this time. I wonder if I'll be wrong again.)

- Interesting that Tuck had the nerve (after a few deep breaths) to listen to Debbie's voicemail message and email the report to her, given that she seems to have been the one that was chasing him around with scalpels in the nightmare he'd had that night. (OK, "she" of the nightmare could have been someone else: one of the cheerleaders, perhaps, or somebody's RPG character. But I doubt it.)

- I guess if Tuck were going to become physically ill after being clawed by Brian's cat, it probably would have happened by the time he got to school. (Why do I suddenly have the image of his getting superpowers from it, like Spiderman? Must be from George's radiation comment back on Tuesday.)

- I hope Ellen can come up with something Val can do that'll make the bullies back off on Ricky without subjecting him to further damage later. (Trouble is, the girls attacking him need to have the connection between their actions and their punishment made clear, and yet it can't be connected directly to Valerie, or they'll simply attack Ricky when she's not around. Something comparable to the MIB light, maybe?)

- We still don't know what, if anything, Ricky did to start this persecution. (REAL longshot: somebody at the photo place in the mall put up a copy of Ricky's girl-photo with Val last summer, and somebody from his class saw it...but in that case I'd expect him to have more trouble with boys in his class than girls.)

- Beth Parker was home early again Thursday (and she even shopped first). Probably not significant -- we'll see what happens tonight.

- Really strange on Thursday, the way people were saying "Friday" instead of "tomorrow" in connection with Stepwise Pagoda. Ditto Jill on Friday morning: "Saturday" instead of "tomorrow". Tuck I can understand -- he's weirded out by the unaccustomed midweek day off -- it's the others, Ricky and Sabrina. (Trouble was, it threw ME off by a day...)

- ANOTHER reference to the empty diaper box. It's getting to the point where there has to be a payoff...

Eric
Re: Tuck #137 [message #5705] Mon, 28 April 2008 09:42 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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FM 90-44/6-22.5 (supercedes FMFM 4-55)
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Re: Tuck #137 [message #5706] Mon, 28 April 2008 13:01 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Eric wrote on Mon, 28 April 2008 11:21

- Can't help wondering what Ricky would have said if Val had told him he could go see the band, but since two of the members already know him as a girl he'd have to dress up again. The way he's been avoiding being thought of as girly lately, he'd probably lock himself in his room...


Uh... the simplistic "No, I don't want to go" comes to my mind before anything else.


Eric wrote on Mon, 28 April 2008 11:21

If Amanda's joining the crowd seeing Stepwise Pagoda tonight, nobody has told Tuck.


You may have noticed, sometimes people don't inform Tuck about what he's going to be doing... it saves the time he'd spend protesting.


Eric wrote on Mon, 28 April 2008 11:21

Her ex, of course, is in the band.


Oh $&*&@, I forgot this.
I'm utterly certain, though, that Amanda has NOT... Oh #*$&(*. This could be amusing.


Eric wrote on Mon, 28 April 2008 11:21

(We'll see, once again, if Val and company meet someone unexpected there, like Debbie or Lisa or Anne or Travis.


"Ohmigod it's Joe Satriani! Ohmigodohmigodohmigod!"
"Calm down, Jack... Don't scare him off."


Eric wrote on Mon, 28 April 2008 11:21

(Why do I suddenly have the image of his getting superpowers from it, like Spiderman? Must be from George's radiation comment back on Tuesday.)


Also when Tuck had an MRI, he was hoping...


Eric wrote on Mon, 28 April 2008 11:21

I hope Ellen can come up with something Val can do that'll make the bullies back off on Ricky without subjecting him to further damage later.


Tuck pats his dad's varmint rifle (meaning, extremely accurate flat-trajectory long range sniper rifle, usually with small bullets) and smiles.
"Tuck, you can't take that to a Catholic school."
"Why not? I'm not Catholic!"
Mike sighs. "It's not girly, Tuck."
"Fuck girly, it's-"
"That's not girly either."
"Fuck you!"


Eric wrote on Mon, 28 April 2008 11:21

We still don't know what, if anything, Ricky did to start this persecution.


Oh, come ON. When has it ever required a REASON? Other than 'within range when the urge came up' ?


Eric wrote on Mon, 28 April 2008 11:21

Really strange on Thursday, the way people were saying "Friday" instead of "tomorrow" in connection with Stepwise Pagoda. Ditto Jill on Friday morning: "Saturday" instead of "tomorrow".


I'm blaming this on the weather. Or my allergies. Or, uh, terrorists.


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Re: Tuck #137 [message #5707] Mon, 28 April 2008 18:08 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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On a re-read, it looks like Tuck's having to deal with Allergen the cat in addition to Hangover the dog.

I hope the allergy shots are working (as opposed to shots at Allergen. Oh, wait; Bill said, "No firearms practice in the house." Would that qualify?).
Re: Tuck #137 now up [message #5708] Mon, 28 April 2008 20:16 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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I like my airsoft pistols.
I do have firearms practice in the house.
Actually not firearms since they are air powered.
Does that make it airarms practice?
Tuck could have a BB gun and a scaled down range with smaller targets that would work almost like a fifty foot indoor target range.

Just make the targets half size at twenty five feet, would that work? or quarter size at thirteen feet?

I remember reading about using real guns indoor with a pen light mounted like a telescopic sight and using that to practice against home invasion. Supposedly in the Travis McGee, John D. McDonald novels this gave the protagonist the ability to quickly and accurately aim his handgun indoors, without shooting the place up while just practicing.

Erik
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You are not paranoid. We really are out to get you.
Re: Tuck #137 [message #5709] Wed, 30 April 2008 04:53 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Ellen Hayes wrote on Mon, 28 April 2008 10:01

Eric wrote on Mon, 28 April 2008 11:21

We still don't know what, if anything, Ricky did to start this persecution.

Oh, come ON. When has it ever required a REASON? Other than 'within range when the urge came up' ?

You're right, of course. What I think I meant was that bullies take advantage of a victim's perceived weakness in deciding whom to attack. I believe there's usually something that makes Kid A rather than Kid B a victim.

In my own case, when I was Ricky's age, I wasn't the smallest or youngest person in my class -- I did think I was the smartest -- but I had behavioral problems (crying, thumb-sucking) that served as a beacon for some boys' verbal abuse. (Never girls, FWIW; if anything, my vulnerability won their sympathy. Then again, these were 1950's middle-class white girls; they weren't expected to bully people, especially boys.)

In Tuck's case, he started out in school with communication difficulties, and continued to have health-related things (asthma medication among them) that set him apart, even before his unusual mindset, geeky behavior, physical limitations and identification with the outgroup confirmed or enhanced his victim status.

I don't believe we've seen anything with Ricky that explains his victimhood, or explains why girls in particular are his oppressors here. Apparently Tuck/Val hasn't seen anything either, as yet.

Eric (Ricky, back then...)
Re: Tuck #137 now up [message #5710] Wed, 30 April 2008 14:58 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Erik wrote on Tue, 29 April 2008 01:16

I like my airsoft pistols.
I do have firearms practice in the house.
Actually not firearms since they are air powered.
Does that make it airarms practice?


*blink* I s'pose it does.
What do Airsoft units shoot? Little rubber things? BBs would pose a severe problem if they bounced into Tuck's electronics suite in his room.


Erik wrote on Tue, 29 April 2008 01:16

Tuck could have a BB gun and a scaled down range with smaller targets that would work almost like a fifty foot indoor target range.
Just make the targets half size at twenty five feet, would that work? or quarter size at thirteen feet?


*nods* Something like that. Actually, a target picture of the eyebrow/nose T would be perfect. Tuck has a philosophical predilection for head shots. =)


Erik wrote on Tue, 29 April 2008 01:16

I remember reading about using real guns indoor with a pen light mounted like a telescopic sight and using that to practice against home invasion. Supposedly in the Travis McGee, John D. McDonald novels this gave the protagonist the ability to quickly and accurately aim his handgun indoors, without shooting the place up while just practicing.


I'm not sure this is useful; you can't tell where the light was aiming when you 'pulled the trigger'.


Erik wrote on Tue, 29 April 2008 01:16

Oak Ridge, Tennessee


This is a no-transuranic-elements zone, you know. =)


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Re: Tuck #137 now up [message #5711] Thu, 01 May 2008 21:03 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Ellen Hayes wrote on Wed, 30 April 2008 11:58

Erik wrote on Tue, 29 April 2008 01:16

I like my airsoft pistols.
I do have firearms practice in the house.
Actually not firearms since they are air powered.
Does that make it airarms practice?


*blink* I s'pose it does.
What do Airsoft units shoot? Little rubber things? BBs would pose a severe problem if they bounced into Tuck's electronics suite in his room.


The pellet rifle I have has a "trap" that goes behind the 6"x6" target. It's metal and deflects the pellets into a box (thru a couple of corners so bouncing out won't happen.

I think there a pistols that use the same pellets.

Re: Tuck #137 now up [message #5718] Sat, 03 May 2008 23:07 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Valerie will be doing what he can to help Rick because she has been bullied before. The thing is HOW will she help him? She could teach him a few martial arts moves or give him some mace.
Re: Tuck #137 now up [message #5722] Sun, 04 May 2008 04:31 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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stanman wrote on Sat, 03 May 2008 20:07

Valerie will be doing what he can to help Rick because she has been bullied before. The thing is HOW will she help him? She could teach him a few martial arts moves or give him some mace.

As the conversation with Mike indicated, they may resume martial arts lessons with Ricky. But there are problems: as Tuck's recent experience notes, there's a limit to what one can do facing four larger attackers simultaneously. And despite the end of the incident we saw in this episode, Ricky has apparently been dealing with multiple attackers.

And giving Ricky mace would be a quick way of getting him suspended from school, the Parker adults severely reprimanded, Val fired and Debbie sued. Escalating a fight is seldom if ever legally justifiable, and Ricky would be breaking scads of student conduct rules if he got caught carrying mace.

If Val gives Ricky anything, it'll have to be something that isn't identifiable as a weapon, either obvious or concealed. (A mace pen isn't an answer, because it wouldn't head off an attack, and as soon as Ricky used it to defend himself it'd be revealed to everyone that he was illegally carrying a weapon in school.)

What Ricky needs is a deterrent, something comparable to the porn poster threat to Ashlee. (Not literally, of course; mailing apparent child porn pics of the attackers to parents of classmates would create more sympathy for Ricky's attackers and general outrage than it would embarrassment.)

Simply letting people know that you're learning martial arts can be a deterrent. (Of course, in sitcoms and comic strips this generally leads to a phony demonstration against "attackers" secretly hired for the purpose, but something doesn't go quite right and hilarity presumably ensues. That's probably too hackneyed for Ellen here, but that kind of thing might actually work against an audience Ricky's age...)

Tuck's own "solution" to his attacks in elementary school, as you may remember, was to go berserk and then have an asthma attack that delayed any immediate school consequences, at the considerable cost of needing emergency treatment at a hospital and most likely developing pneumonia afterwards. Even there, he had Mike in his class to take Tuck's side; we haven't seen anyone at all comparable for Ricky. I'm not sure what lessons Val could impart based on that.

Eric
Re: Tuck #137 now up [message #5724] Mon, 05 May 2008 16:04 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Erik wrote on Mon, 28 April 2008 17:16


I like my airsoft pistols.

Erik
Oak Ridge, Tennessee


I finally just couldn't resist, waited for someone else to paraphrase Erik .... Laughing

"This is my airsoft pistol. There are many like it but this one is mine. My airsoft pistol is my best friend. It is my life. I must master it as I must master my life. Without me, my airsoft pistol is useless. Without my airsoft pistol I am useless. I must fire my airsoft pistol true. I must shoot straighter than my enemy, who is trying to kill me. I must shoot him before he shoots me. I will. Before God I swear this creed: my airsoft pistol and myself are defenders of my country, we are the masters of our enemy, we are the saviors of my life. So be it, until there is no enemy, but peace. Amen."


I wonder if Mike or Tuck says similar prayers before range practice....
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That's a much longer version of "This is my rifle, this is my gun..."
Re: Tuck #137 now up [message #5734] Wed, 07 May 2008 22:14 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Random thought ...
Erik's comment about his airpistol just vectored my mind to wonder how the Tucker household would have perceived Kubrick's film, Full Metal Jacket, especially with respect to Tuck and his appetite for military manuals (geez, he's currently reading 'Combat Stress', FMFM 4-55), as opposed to Bill, being a former marine trained at Parris Island that later went to Nam. I would think it wouldn't be out of character if George or Mike were to quote various phrases from the film, like Kubrick's paraphrased Rifleman's Creed above.

Of course, Ellen could have derived Bill's character backgound from being one of the "other marines" in the barracks as depicted in the film.

Re: Tuck #137 now up [message #5755] Sun, 18 May 2008 23:25 Go to previous message
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Ricky did dress as a girl a few times, could his tormentors know and be after him because of that? Personally, Tuck has every right to be paranoid. He is small in stature and has had problems growing up and his body is developing as a girl.
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