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Re: Rachel's Tuck Squared (again) [message #2618] Thu, 21 October 2004 05:56 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Eric wrote on Thu, 21 October 2004 03:54

The way the other thread with that title got contaminated, I figured the best approach was to start over...

Anyway: In the encounter between Valerie and Ms Thompson, Valerie mentions that she doesn't want to sleep in the basement. I couldn't find any reference in the "previous" 22-chapter Tuck Season to anyone sleeping down there. Was that in 23-24?


No, it wasn't. Remember, Rachel said that she made changes to the story so that it would still work with the Seasons rewrite Ellen was/is working on. Keeping that in mind, I have a feeling that since Val was going home for a week at the end of part 24 before returning with Mike to upgrade the security systems at Seasons House, Jane will have one or both of them living down in the basement. I think Jane would want to keep them seperated from everyone else, especially since she was about to take on another student.

Also, I don't remember there being a basement in the previous version. From her revised description of the house during Tucks late night snooping, the sewing room is down there. However, from the descriptions of the room when Val was making her dress with Teresa while Charlene and Brad were having some private time outside, I thought the sewing room was on the ground floor.

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Re: Rachel's Tuck Squared (again) [message #2619] Thu, 21 October 2004 06:10 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Eric wrote on Thu, 21 October 2004 08:54

The way the other thread with that title got contaminated, I figured the best approach was to start over...

Anyway: In the encounter between Valerie and Ms Thompson, Valerie mentions that she doesn't want to sleep in the basement. I couldn't find any reference in the "previous" 22-chapter Tuck Season to anyone sleeping down there. Was that in 23-24?


Now how many times has Ellen told you that the old Tucky Season is No Longer Canon? Smile


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Re: Rachel's Tuck Squared (again) [message #2620] Thu, 21 October 2004 11:13 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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rachel.greenham wrote on Thu, 21 October 2004 08:10

Now how many times has Ellen told you that the old Tucky Season is No Longer Canon? Smile

Was it ever really canon? I mean, it's an alternate timeline, fer chrissakes!

It can't be canon for Tuck, because the canon for Tuck is... uh... the regular Tuck.

And it shouldn't be canon for Seasons, first because it's hard to fit into the Tigger chronology (granted, this may be fixed in the revised version), but also because Tigger manifested concern about the number of people who obtained knowledge of the "true nature" of Seasons House in the original "Tuck Season." There's also the whole Ken/Pauline thing, which has to be resolved/ended in order to leave room for "Ken's Barbie" -- maybe this would happen during the second part of Tuck Season... or maybe Ellen will do it differently this time around.

Anyway, without a number of changes (which Ellen may or may not be willing to do, I don't know -- but I'm eager to find out) "Tuck Season" won't fit into the main "Seasons" universe either. Not that it's an issue for me; I don't have a problem with non-canonical stories (that's what fanfic is, after all).

Now, if anyone ever figures a way to link all of this (Tuck, Seasons or both) into the Wold Newton multiverse... well, that would really be funny.

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Re: Rachel's Tuck Squared (again) [message #2621] Thu, 21 October 2004 13:34 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Sir Lee wrote on Thu, 21 October 2004 08:13


It can't be canon for Tuck, because the canon for Tuck is... uh... the regular Tuck.

It's a sort of "alternative canon." Think of it as Earth-1 and Earth-2; both are canonical versions of the characters, but they certainly aren't the same, either.
Re: Rachel's Tuck Squared (again) [message #2623] Thu, 21 October 2004 14:10 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Sir Lee wrote on Thu, 21 October 2004 08:13


Now, if anyone ever figures a way to link all of this (Tuck, Seasons or both) into the Wold Newton multiverse... well, that would really be funny.


Eeek!

More like really *scary*. An Earth that includes Doc Savage, Moriarty *and* Da Rat Boyz in its history is apt to get more than a bit weird.
Re: Rachel's Tuck Squared (again) [message #2624] Thu, 21 October 2004 14:35 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Brooke wrote on Thu, 21 October 2004 11:10

More like really *scary*. An Earth that includes Doc Savage, Moriarty *and* Da Rat Boyz in its history is apt to get more than a bit weird.

For all that I get a kick out of Farmer's speculations, saying adding Da Rat Boyz to the mix is going to signifigantly increase the weirdness quotient seems to be missing the forest for the trees. That particular universe is already weird to the point where even Tuck & crew wouldn't be much more that a drop in the ocean. (Still, "Every little bit helps..." said the old lady as she pissed into the sea.")
Re: Rachel's Tuck Squared (again) [message #2625] Thu, 21 October 2004 19:46 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Sir Lee wrote on Thu, 21 October 2004 16:13

And it shouldn't be canon for Seasons, first because it's hard to fit into the Tigger chronology (granted, this may be fixed in the revised version),

Yeah, well, Tigger isn't writing TWO stories, with recurring/permanent characters, in the midst of writing this revised version!
Trust me, it does make things easier.

Sir Lee wrote on Thu, 21 October 2004 16:13

but also because Tigger manifested concern about the number of people who obtained knowledge of the "true nature" of Seasons House in the original "Tuck Season."

Hrm. Besides Tuck & Pack, that would be.... two. Whether or not those two find out in this version, I don't know yet. Can't do much about the Pack... not once Debbie gets hold of Tuck's ear, anyway. =) Jane should've paid Tuck more and had him sign an NDA... ah well, live and learn, one hopes. =) But, they won't say anything to anyone else; they are good at keeping secrets.
Although, come to think of it, a few more (like, a dozen) "recruiters" for Jane would be useful too, wouldn't it? Hrm hrm hrm... can't you see Debbie gently selling this program to some dork's parents? (for a slight fee, of course...)

Sir Lee wrote on Thu, 21 October 2004 16:13

There's also the whole Ken/Pauline thing, which has to be resolved/ended in order to leave room for "Ken's Barbie" -- maybe this would happen during the second part of Tuck Season... or maybe Ellen will do it differently this time around.

"Dating" does not in all cases lead to "permanent relationship", does it? Experience, mine and that of others, suggests it does not. Therefore, I don't have to explain anything, I think; just keep the two from getting married that summer, and 'let things go their natural way' after that.


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Re: Rachel's Tuck Squared (again) [message #2626] Thu, 21 October 2004 19:48 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Sir Lee wrote on Thu, 21 October 2004 08:13

Now, if anyone ever figures a way to link all of this (Tuck, Seasons or both) into the Wold Newton multiverse... well, that would really be funny.

Hrm... did Patricia Savage ever have children? =)
And wasn't the whole crew sort of based in New York, which is the state that the Tuckers moved from, and wherein most of Sarah's relatives still live (or so it seems) ?

*evil laughter*


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Re: Rachel's Tuck Squared (again) [message #2628] Thu, 21 October 2004 21:53 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Ellen Hayes wrote on Thu, 21 October 2004 16:48

Sir Lee wrote on Thu, 21 October 2004 08:13

Now, if anyone ever figures a way to link all of this (Tuck, Seasons or both) into the Wold Newton multiverse... well, that would really be funny.

Hrm... did Patricia Savage ever have children? =)
And wasn't the whole crew sort of based in New York, which is the state that the Tuckers moved from, and wherein most of Sarah's relatives still live (or so it seems) ?

*evil laughter*


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Well, she's an endpoint on the original trees, but you can check further here:

http://www.pjfarmer.com/woldnewton/Pulp.htm
Re: Rachel's Tuck Squared (again) [message #2629] Thu, 21 October 2004 22:50 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Ellen Hayes wrote on Thu, 21 October 2004 16:48

Hrm... did Patricia Savage ever have children? =)
And wasn't the whole crew sort of based in New York, which is the state that the Tuckers moved from, and wherein most of Sarah's relatives still live (or so it seems) ?

Question one: not in any of the official versions. I really wish sombody would re-reprint the books. (I'm still missing about a dozen of the stories.)
Yes, Doc & crew worked out of New York. The building they specifically didn't work out of was the Empire State Builing, in fact.
To be honest, I think if Doc & the Tuckers were related, Doc would view them as some of the rare black sheep of the family. Perhaps not quite on the level of Moriarty of Fu Manchu, but I don't think they would get along.

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Re: Rachel's Tuck Squared (again) [message #2630] Thu, 21 October 2004 23:05 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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OtherEric wrote on Fri, 22 October 2004 03:50

Question one: (did Patricia Savage have any children) not in any of the official versions.

Yeah, but that didn't cover Patricia's Retirement And Boring Home Life either.

OtherEric wrote on Fri, 22 October 2004 03:50

I really wish sombody would re-reprint the books. (I'm still missing about a dozen of the stories.)

Otaku!

OtherEric wrote on Fri, 22 October 2004 03:50

To be honest, I think if Doc & the Tuckers were related, Doc would view them as some of the rare black sheep of the family. Perhaps not quite on the level of Moriarty of Fu Manchu, but I don't think they would get along.

This is the same guy that used to perform experimental non-consentual BRAIN SURGERY on criminals and you think he'd balk at the Tuckers? I think it more likely that Sarah would balk at him and his ways....

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Re: Rachel's Tuck Squared (again) [message #2631] Thu, 21 October 2004 23:35 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Ellen Hayes wrote on Thu, 21 October 2004 20:05

OtherEric wrote on Fri, 22 October 2004 03:50

I really wish sombody would re-reprint the books. (I'm still missing about a dozen of the stories.)

Otaku!

Or something. At this point, it's definitly more a case of wanting to have read them all that expecting anything spectacular & new in the few I'm missing. (With the possible exception of Escape From Loki. It really bugs me that I didn't grab that when it came out, but back then all the used bookstores had long shelves of Doc Savage paperbacks, and I figured I could wait.)

Ellen Hayes wrote on Thu, 21 October 2004 20:05

This is the same guy that used to perform experimental non-consentual BRAIN SURGERY on criminals and you think he'd balk at the Tuckers? I think it more likely that Sarah would balk at him and his ways....

The dislike might go both ways. While Doc never had a problem with going against the authorities when it suited him, he really didn't appreciate it much in anybody else. I have the impression the Tuckers support anybody who wants to ignore the rules, as long as they don't mess with the Tuckers.

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Re: Rachel's Tuck Squared (again) [message #2632] Fri, 22 October 2004 03:28 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Careful. If you're really one of the spooks, you don't want to come out of the darkest part of the shadows and reveal the inner turnings of the wheels.

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Re: Rachel's Tuck Squared (again) [message #2633] Fri, 22 October 2004 19:40 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Ellen Hayes wrote on Thu, 21 October 2004 21:46

Yeah, well, Tigger isn't writing TWO stories, with recurring/permanent characters, in the midst of writing this revised version!
Trust me, it does make things easier.

Uhhh... TWO? One is Tuck, of course. May one inquire about the other, or is it still classified?

Ellen Hayes wrote on Thu, 21 October 2004 21:46

Sir Lee wrote on Thu, 21 October 2004 16:13

but also because Tigger manifested concern about the number of people who obtained knowledge of the "true nature" of Seasons House in the original "Tuck Season."

Hrm. Besides Tuck & Pack, that would be.... two. Whether or not those two find out in this version, I don't know yet. Can't do much about the Pack... not once Debbie gets hold of Tuck's ear, anyway. =) Jane should've paid Tuck more and had him sign an NDA... ah well, live and learn, one hopes. =) But, they won't say anything to anyone else; they are good at keeping secrets.
Although, come to think of it, a few more (like, a dozen) "recruiters" for Jane would be useful too, wouldn't it? Hrm hrm hrm... can't you see Debbie gently selling this program to some dork's parents? (for a slight fee, of course...)

Tigger's opinion, not mine. I rather liked the idea of Pauline & Trish helping Jane...

Ellen Hayes wrote on Thu, 21 October 2004 21:46

Sir Lee wrote on Thu, 21 October 2004 16:13

There's also the whole Ken/Pauline thing, which has to be resolved/ended in order to leave room for "Ken's Barbie" -- maybe this would happen during the second part of Tuck Season... or maybe Ellen will do it differently this time around.

"Dating" does not in all cases lead to "permanent relationship", does it? Experience, mine and that of others, suggests it does not. Therefore, I don't have to explain anything, I think; just keep the two from getting married that summer, and 'let things go their natural way' after that.

I agree, and I didn't express myself very well. It's not so much that you would have to do something about it (yes, summer relationships don't last and all that), but more about what's POSSIBLE to do with it in order to flesh out the "bad luck with women" reputation Ken seems to have acquired by the time of "Barbie."
OTOH, fleshing out Ken's backstory is Tigger's problem, not yours...

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Re: Rachel's Tuck Squared (again) [message #2634] Fri, 22 October 2004 20:25 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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OtherEric wrote on Thu, 21 October 2004 11:35

Brooke wrote on Thu, 21 October 2004 11:10

More like really *scary*. An Earth that includes Doc Savage, Moriarty *and* Da Rat Boyz in its history is apt to get more than a bit weird.

For all that I get a kick out of Farmer's speculations, saying adding Da Rat Boyz to the mix is going to signifigantly increase the weirdness quotient seems to be missing the forest for the trees. That particular universe is already weird to the point where even Tuck & crew wouldn't be much more that a drop in the ocean. (Still, "Every little bit helps..." said the old lady as she pissed into the sea.")


Adding da RatBoyz to the Wold Newton universe won't make it appreciably stranger.

But have the universe(s) of Tuck & Tuck Season turn out to be the Wold Newton universe. *greatly* ups the weirdness possibilities of Ellen's stories.

Re: Rachel's Tuck Squared (again) [message #2635] Fri, 22 October 2004 21:50 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Sir Lee wrote on Fri, 22 October 2004 16:40


Uhhh... TWO? One is Tuck, of course. May one inquire about the other, or is it still classified?

Tuck is not one of the two. TIGGER wrote two major stories during the original run of Tuck Season, Ken's and Caitlin's. (As well as the christmas short with the Tuck cameo.)
Re: Rachel's Tuck Squared (again) [message #2636] Sat, 23 October 2004 08:38 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Eric wrote on Fri, 07 November 2003 00:03


Since Rachel was talking about rewriting Tuck Squared to incorporate the upcoming Tuck Season revision,


Rachel wrote on Thu, 06 November 2003 17:14


Um, no, I'm not intending to alter Tuck Squared. It shouldn't be necessary; while it was in the proofing stage, Ellen was indicating little things to change so as to not break continuity and make it fit both versions. There will still be a minor continuity 'error', but I'll leave you guessing about that for now. It's not enough to warrant doing a 'rewrite', that's for sure.


Maltor wrote on Thu, 21 October 2004 02:36

Remember, Rachel said that she made changes to the story so that it would still work with the Seasons rewrite Ellen was/is working on


Yes, but as you can see the changes are supposed to "fit both versions". As to whether it's canonical, as far as I know it never has been, and Tuck Squared isn't canonical in any case.

So where did the doggone basement come from? (I know it's already turned up in the new version, but that doesn't seem to me to be something that "fit[s] both versions.")
Re: Rachel's Tuck Squared (again) [message #2637] Sat, 23 October 2004 11:27 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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OtherEric wrote on Fri, 22 October 2004 23:50

Tuck is not one of the two. TIGGER wrote two major stories during the original run of Tuck Season, Ken's and Caitlin's. (As well as the christmas short with the Tuck cameo.)

Oh, uh, yeah, I knew that. I read Ellen's phrase wrong, understanding it as "Well, Tigger shouldn't criticise, he wasn't trying to do three things at once" when she actually meant "this time around, Tigger isn't adding more stuff to the universe while I'm still not finished with it." That's what happens when you write messages in a half-sleep-deprived state...

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Re: Rachel's Tuck Squared (again) [message #2638] Sat, 23 October 2004 11:49 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Sir Lee wrote on Sat, 23 October 2004 08:27

That's what happens when you write messages in a half-sleep-deprived state...

Or, in my case, messages come off as hideously snarky. I don't apologize for what I said, of course, since there's nothing in that to apologize for. But I sincerely apologize for the rude tone of the post. (I have no problem being rude to people on-line. But I really hate it when I do it accidently.) Smile
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