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Tuck 139 [message #5884] Mon, 07 July 2008 00:41 Go to next message
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A very nice, very hot chapter, sort of a return to the style of some of the earlier chapters but different.

And Tuck does something that I'm not sure Valerie has ever done before. Smile

- Erin
Re: Tuck 139 [message #5888] Mon, 07 July 2008 01:01 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Erin Halfelven wrote on Mon, 07 July 2008 05:41

And Tuck does something that I'm not sure Valerie has ever done before. Smile


Two things!


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Re: Tuck 139 [message #5890] Mon, 07 July 2008 01:19 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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I was even less sure of the second one. Smile But yah, two things.

- Erin
Re: Tuck 139 [message #5892] Mon, 07 July 2008 02:04 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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What fun Tuck/Val had! Now I wonder just what Bill will say to Tuck later about coming in late dressed as Val. That Tuck has all the luck with the ladies, or is that Val?
Re: Tuck 139 [message #5894] Mon, 07 July 2008 15:44 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Now, all we need is for Jack to ask Val to do some roadie work for free passes for her friends, then get Val to join in a late evening "ad hoc" jam session and do a secret demo tape.

Stuff of cliched Hollywood stories.... Very Happy
Re: Tuck 139 [message #5895] Mon, 07 July 2008 16:06 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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What was Bill thinking when TuVal came home? Val was clueless to Bill's reaction when she entered the house because she was a bit inebriated, but Pam was obviously uncomfortable with Bill's reaction.

Was Bill merely gauging how drunk Val was?
Was Bill seeing how "too" comfortable Val was in this "skin"?
Was Bill looking at the resemblence of Susan in Val?
Was Bill surprised to see how far Val has "blossomed"?

What is Bill going to tell Sarah?


[Updated on: Mon, 07 July 2008 17:15]

Re: Tuck 139 [message #5897] Mon, 07 July 2008 20:48 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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This makes the third member of the Gang that Val/Tuck has bedded. Now I wonder if the three will talk about his/her prowess? Evidently Tuck has something going for him, why else would he need a condom?
Re: Tuck 139 [message #5898] Mon, 07 July 2008 21:36 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Habit, relentless drilling about ALWAYS using a condom, fear of disease, just plain being considerate of the girl's worries, not fully trusting the doctors' words about him being sterile, being drunk and not thinking straight or a combination of all of the above -- all valid reasons for wearing a condom. "Pregnancy goes away in nine months; herpes and AIDS are forever."

Now, it's interesting that Tuck is getting to be "friends with privileges" to some of the Pack girls. Part of it might be that he's considered "safe" by the girls -- he has been in their sleepovers and not behaved as an asshole, he's not physically imposing (although in reality he's probably more dangerous than most jocks), he's helped them when they DID have problems with assholes in the past, AND he's supposed to be STERILE, so the danger of an unwanted pregnancy is very low.

I wonder if more of the girls will avail themselves of those "benefits" of Tuck's friendship?


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Re: Tuck 139 [message #5899] Mon, 07 July 2008 21:40 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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stanman wrote on Mon, 07 July 2008 20:48

Evidently Tuck has something going for him, why else would he need a condom?


"Something" == "awareness of sexually transmitted diseases" ?

Welcome to the 1980s, Stanman. Unprotected sex is bad, 'kay? Writing about it in fiction is both bad (tending to encourage risky behavior) and likely to be inaccurate (because the generations that have grown to sexual maturity since The Plague have been indoctrinated, despite the best efforts of anti-sex puritans).

Amy!
Re: Tuck 139 [message #5900] Mon, 07 July 2008 22:52 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Awesome chapter. I find it interesting that, albeit with a little chemical assistance, this seems to be about the most relaxed Val has been _as Val_ since the convention.

-Renee


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Re: Tuck 139 [message #5901] Tue, 08 July 2008 02:00 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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True Amy, but I still think that it would do something for Tuck if one time the girl [Pam] got scared because he was the only one

[Updated on: Tue, 08 July 2008 02:03]

Re: Tuck 139 [message #5902] Tue, 08 July 2008 04:16 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Sir Lee wrote on Mon, 07 July 2008 18:36


I wonder if more of the girls will avail themselves of those "benefits" of Tuck's friendship?


I think Julia or Amanda would be more likely to do so, if they were in between boyfriends. Kathy is a big maybe, as Tuck is kinda overwhelmed around her. Sabrina is a no, she sees Tuck as Val, and she dates guys. Lisa would also be a no, as she's wrapped up with Debbie and seemingly happy about it.

And then there's Kim. I've thought ever since Jill broke it off with Tuck that maybe Kim could use a good Tucking (ahem) as either a way to try and get past her fear of guys and intimacy with them, or possibly push her the other way.

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Re: Tuck 139 [message #5903] Tue, 08 July 2008 10:06 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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...and if this ever gets out (not from Tuck's end, he's not the bragging type), the school jocks will be incredibly frustrated and confused.

I mean, here is this thin, short, sickly, effeminate-looking NERD, who everybody is SURE is gay, and it turns out that he's "making the rounds" of a BUNCH of girls' beds -- AND they don't MIND "sharing" him?

OTOH, I wonder what would be *Debbie's* reaction if she learns about it...


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Re: Tuck 139 [message #5904] Wed, 09 July 2008 02:17 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Sir Lee "OTOH, I wonder what would be *Debbie's* reaction if she learns about it... "

Thats simple, she'll find a way to charge for Val's services
Re: Tuck 139 [message #5905] Wed, 09 July 2008 06:00 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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LuLou wrote on Tue, 08 July 2008 01:16

Sir Lee wrote on Mon, 07 July 2008 18:36


I wonder if more of the girls will avail themselves of those "benefits" of Tuck's friendship?


I think Julia or Amanda would be more likely to do so, if they were in between boyfriends. Kathy is a big maybe, as Tuck is kinda overwhelmed around her. Sabrina is a no, she sees Tuck as Val, and she dates guys. Lisa would also be a no, as she's wrapped up with Debbie and seemingly happy about it.

And then there's Kim. I've thought ever since Jill broke it off with Tuck that maybe Kim could use a good Tucking (ahem) as either a way to try and get past her fear of guys and intimacy with them, or possibly push her the other way.

I have my doubts on both Julia and Amanda.

Even though Julia knows how different Tuck's situation is, I wonder if her father's CD background might make her think twice. Also, even though her worldly, mature pose is presumably something of a put-on, it doesn't strike me as a good match for spending a night with Tuck. She'd be letting her guard down merely to satisfy her curiosity, and that doesn't strike me as something she'd do.

Amanda, we're told, knows more about TG conditions than even Julia. That could spark either real curiosity or fear/avoidance about sex with Tuck. But I don't think she feels the closeness to Tuck/Val that most of the Pack members do. I could, of course, be wrong about that; we still know less about Amanda than about any other Pack member, though it's more than we used to know. (Still, there's been absolutely no physical description. I wonder if it would amuse Ellen if the first body part/item of clothing/physical feature of Amanda's that Tuck describes is one he hasn't seen, removed or felt yet.)

Kim's a complicated story. She's probably very curious; I have the feeling she got more details about Tuck/Val from Debbie than the others did, since she's an occasional personal assistant to Debbie, more so than other Pack members are. Kim has made a couple of probably drunken physical approaches to Tuck in the past, and I think at some non-intellectual level she thinks that a relationship with Tuck/Val would satisfy her better than either a genetic male or female could. But there are too many problems on her end: her inability to comprehend Tuck's male side, her self-image problems, a few others less easy to describe succinctly. And there's the major problem from Tuck's POV that he'd feel disloyal to Mike if he bedded her. (Sure, she and Mike have broken up, but there's still the major discomfort he'd cause Mike if, after six months in which Kim refused to do any more, physically, than kiss Mike, Tuck had sex with her on, so to speak, their first date.)

Kathy will do anything she wants, and it's not out of the question that her observations about Tuck/Val's body shape could lead her to experiment. I'm not expecting it, though.

You're probably right about Sabrina, who can't stand geeky behavior and therefore prefers to see as little of Tuck in Val as she can. (But of course there's more proximity there -- she's at the Tucker house five days a week -- than anyone else would have.)

Nobody's mentioned Rachel, someone else with potential five-day-a-week access to Valerie. I can't see any romantic potential there, though.

I'm still expecting something significant between Tuck/Val and Kelly eventually -- maybe even at the end of the story. But probably not this year, and certainly not in this timeframe, since Kelly idolizes Tuck on the one hand and has expressed her disappointment over his closeted status on the other.

And I suspect that Lisa would rather shoot Tuck than sleep with him -- except that she probably thinks that either one would bring a deadly reprisal from Sarah Tucker.

Eric

[Updated on: Wed, 09 July 2008 06:06]

Re: Tuck 139 [message #5906] Wed, 09 July 2008 23:59 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Well, darn, there goes my Valerie-the-rock-star scenario <grin>.
However, Bill seems to be slightly more accepting of Val, for
highly begrudging values of accepting.
Re: Tuck 139 [message #5907] Thu, 10 July 2008 06:41 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Ellen Hayes wrote on Sun, 06 July 2008 22:01

Erin Halfelven wrote on Mon, 07 July 2008 05:41

And Tuck does something that I'm not sure Valerie has ever done before. Smile


Two things!


Ellen
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I think the two things are "kissing Mike... and kissing Bill". While dressed as Val.

I honestly don't remember reading that Tuck *while dressed as Val* kissed Mike. And I know for sure that Tuck while dressed as Val has never kissed Bill before.

I'm probably wrong, but what the heck, I've been wrong before and I'll be wrong again. Laughing
Re: Tuck 139 [message #5908] Thu, 10 July 2008 09:43 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Yes, Kissing Mike was crossing a line s/he had not before and Mike seemed to soften up on Val a little bit too.
Kissing Bill , s/he did everything but call him "Daddy" Smile
Poor Bill, he had to be running a decision tree before he fell asleep and if it were not for Tuck's soundproff room, any noises coming from there would only complicate the decision process for Bill.
Re: Tuck 139 [message #5909] Thu, 10 July 2008 10:51 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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LOL. Bill running a decision tree is just such an apt image it cracked me up.

Val has a marked resemblance to Susan, so the experience for Bill wasn't too odd. He probably had reflexes to it that got confused with the higher functions that were pointing out, "This is Eugene!"

I think Bill feels emotions deeply but keeps a cool aspect. Thinking about this may very well have kept him up late.

Valerie fits into her social roles much more easily than Eugene can manage. She's still the uber-geek he is, but one source of internal conflict has been replaced with a less obtrusive one. She knows who she is, Eugene is never sure. The cognitive dissonance of knowing she's Valerie after fifteen-plus years of being Eugene bothers her less than Eugene's difficulty in grasping a male social role.

Not that the boy can't, it's just difficult. This episode's sex scene comes off as more lesbian experimentation than male seduction. It's as if Tuck's partner rationalized things two ways.

"Lesbianism might be fun, but I'm afraid. Here's a girl who's also a boy, so I can be kinky and it doesn't count."

At the same time as, "Why are men so bossy in bed? Here's a boy who's also a girl, and he's not like that at all." Smile

- Erin

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Re: Tuck 139 [message #5910] Thu, 10 July 2008 12:53 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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On the actual bed scene, two things struck me:

1. Pam actually wanted to give Tuck a blow job, but Tuck didn't care much for it. Thank Ellen once more for going against the clich and portraying behavior that actually seems real (I happen to have had a very similar bed-talk with a girlfriend once...). I suppose that the prevalence of the blow job scene in porn has more to do with power fantasies than actual sexual pleasure.

2. Tuck has used "intercourse" in speech while actually IN BED WITH A GIRL. I mean, can he be ANY more geeky? This is Health Class talk, not bedroom talk.


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Re: Tuck 139 [message #5913] Thu, 10 July 2008 23:33 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Tuck/Val may very well be a geek, but IF word gets out about him and the Gang, the jocks will think twice about Tuck.
Re: Tuck 139 [message #5915] Fri, 11 July 2008 03:31 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Tuck is going to be even more popular with the girls when word gets out that he doesn't have the sleep reflex.

I think this is an unexpected side effect of his being intersexed.

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Re: Tuck 139 [message #5916] Fri, 11 July 2008 22:17 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Erik,
I think that is wishful thinking, Tuck appears to have a long history of insomnia, having a bed partner to be attentive to is only going to help keep him awake.
Re: Tuck 139 [message #5917] Sat, 12 July 2008 02:06 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Erik wrote on Fri, 11 July 2008 03:31

Tuck is going to be even more popular with the girls when word gets out that he doesn't have the sleep reflex.

I think this is an unexpected side effect of his being intersexed.


Actually, look at the sex scenes in earlier chapters when Val had sex with Travis; Val was always dozing afterwards.

Maybe it's not so much being intersexed, but emulating the post coital behavior his/her sex partner at the time.
Re: Tuck 139 [message #5918] Sat, 12 July 2008 03:41 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Tuck always sleeps better when someone else is in the bed. It's an anxiety thing.

- Erin
Re: Tuck 139 [message #5919] Sat, 12 July 2008 10:43 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Short attention span theater here;
I was absolutely wrong, yes he does always sleep better with someone else in his bed, I forgot that was the reason he was having other girls sleep with him in the first place, wasn't it?
Re: Tuck 139 [message #5920] Sat, 12 July 2008 18:54 Go to previous message
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This is a work of fiction. Ellen can make Tuck be anything she wants. Which seems to include the insatiable sexual stamina of a teenager. I just found the earlier sex scenes fascinatingly well written. None of this just rolling over and going to sleep after sex. Fiction is so much superior to reality!

Seriously, Tuck is a great character. I don't think the sex scenes are realistic. I find it hard to believe a nerd could get the girl, let alone three girls, all in little over a year. This is going to drive Brian crazy when The Pack starts teasing Tuck about it at one of the dinners.

The Pack seems to be very good about keeping secrets within The Pack. The Pack also seems to be very good at spreading the secrets to other members of The Pack. I like this. Have you noticed the pack is growing to include the little sisters? It would be really great to have a circle of friends like this. Da Boyz are not nearly as tuned in as the girls. It's going to be interesting to watch how this plays out in the next episode. I'm really looking forward to it.


Plot: Life of Tuck
CounterPlot: Life of Valerie
Counter Counter Plots: Life at School, Life at home.
Alternate Plot lines: Social life of all the friends.
More Plot lines: Tuck coming of age. Family, Love Stories. Conflicts. Careers and character developments.
More Plot elements: Music, the Band. Sex.

Plot/Counterplot makes for a really exciting story. The weaving of so many plot lines that I am having trouble keeping track of them all is what I think makes the Tuck Saga such a rich story. What do you think?

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