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Moving servers [message #6077] Tue, 11 November 2008 00:30 Go to next message
Erin Halfelven  is currently offline Erin Halfelven
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The server that Tuckerspawn is on will be going away no later than the end of January, and maybe sooner. Over the weekend, I tried moving Tspawn off and onto another server and the database did not survive the move. Three times.

I'll be trying again because I don't want to lose all of our posts in the move but the worst could happen. I think I can preserve the member list at the very least. This forum is really not that big so it should be possible to make the move.

When I do make the move, there will, temporarily be a new address for the forum before I get the DNS changed over.

Hugs,
Erin
Re: Moving servers [message #6078] Sat, 15 November 2008 14:45 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Erin Halfelven  is currently offline Erin Halfelven
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Okay, the new address for Tuckerspawn, which you know if you're here, is http://tuckerspawn.fictioneer.org.

Eventually, I'll fix the dns so that the old URL points to the same place. For now, you'll just have to change your bookmarks.

And thanks to Bob Arnold for some important assistance and hosting of the new URL.

Hugs,
Erin
Re: Moving servers [message #6079] Sun, 16 November 2008 07:49 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Sir Lee  is currently offline Sir Lee
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Since the server move, I have been having a couple of annoying (not serious, but annoying) problems with the logon process.

The first one is with the logon itself. I click in the logon link fill the fields and click the "logon" button -- nothing, I get back the main page, STILL in the "logged-off" state. But then I go through the process a second time, it (usually) results successful.

And then, there's the matter with the site "remembering" I'm logged on. If I close the browser tab with Tuckerspawn, and then try to get back to the forum, it already logged me off. I checked my cookie permissions: "tuckerspawn.fictioneer.org" has cookies fully enabled. And it still doesn't work.

Is it something I should fix on my side? Maybe allowing cookies for a different address?


Don't call me Shirley. You will surely make me surly.
Re: Moving servers [message #6080] Sun, 16 November 2008 09:04 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Erin Halfelven  is currently offline Erin Halfelven
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Yeah, I can do those things too. I'll try to find out what's wrong.

Hugs,
Erin
Re: Moving servers [message #6081] Sun, 16 November 2008 19:55 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Amy!  is currently offline Amy!
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Same here.

Sometimes a forced refresh brings up the proper page; sometimes I have to login three times before it sticks. Cookies aren't working.

Maybe the cache setting? Maybe cookie timeouts? Something's wrong.

Amy!
Re: Moving servers [message #6082] Mon, 17 November 2008 00:14 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Erin Halfelven  is currently offline Erin Halfelven
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I tried a fix and it didn't work. Probably won't get time to mess with it again till Tuesday.

- Erin
Re: Moving servers [message #6083] Wed, 19 November 2008 12:09 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Erin Halfelven  is currently offline Erin Halfelven
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I think I got it fixed. Believe it or not, a stub of code was looking for session-ids on the old server first. This was spaghetti code written by an octopus!

Hugs,
Erin
Re: Moving servers [message #6084] Wed, 19 November 2008 19:22 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Sir Lee  is currently offline Sir Lee
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I believe, I have seen weirder bugs. But...

I'm still seeing the same behavior. I still need to log on twice, and the session expires as soon as the tab is closed.

I had a look at Firefox's cookie manager and noticed the following:
1. Fictioneer.org places a cookie called fud_session_(a bunch of numbers)
2. This cookie is marked as "expiring" in a week's time.
3. This cookie contains as "path" the value /tuckerspawn/, which seems to imply the URI http://fictioneer.org/tuckerspawn/ BUT:
4. The site is NOT accessible either as http://fictioneer.org/tuckerspawn/ OR http://www.fictioneer.org/tuckerspawn/

Might this have something to do with the problem?

[Updated on: Wed, 19 November 2008 19:27]


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Re: Moving servers [message #6085] Wed, 19 November 2008 20:00 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Amy!  is currently offline Amy!
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Sir Lee wrote on Wed, 19 November 2008 19:22

I'm still seeing the same behavior. I still need to log on twice, and the session expires as soon as the tab is closed.


Same.

Quote:


I had a look at Firefox's cookie manager and noticed the following:
1. Fictioneer.org places a cookie called fud_session_(a bunch of numbers)
2. This cookie is marked as "expiring" in a week's time.
3. This cookie contains as "path" the value /tuckerspawn/, which seems to imply the URI http://fictioneer.org/tuckerspawn/ BUT:
4. The site is NOT accessible either as http://fictioneer.org/tuckerspawn/ OR http://www.fictioneer.org/tuckerspawn/


I can add a bit to this. Safari stores cookies in ~/Library/Cookies/Cookies.plist (as XML); here's what mine looks like (with identifying bits potentially useful to hijackers suppressed):

<key>Created</key>
<real>248834794.140374</real>
<key>Domain</key>
<string>.fictioneer.org</string>
<key>Expires</key>
<date>2008-11-27T00:46:34Z</date>
<key>Name</key>
<string>fud_session_(suppressed)</string>
<key>Path</key>
<string>/tuckerspawn/</string>
<key>Value</key>
<string>(suppressed)</string>

In order: created is okay; domain is okay (sorry, Sir Lee; that initial "." means that it matches any machine in fictioneer.org, including tuckerspawn.fictioneer.org). Expires is also okay; that's an eight-day cookie (I don't *like* that, but ... *shrug*). Name appears to be okay.

Path is wrong. It should be /, or else the site should be tuckerspawn.fictioneer.org/tuckerspawn/. Since it's at tuckerspawn.fictioneer.org/, the properly-stored cookie never matches. It works on second login because it automatically falls back to URL rewriting (watch and see the "&S=sillylongnumber" appear in the URL bar).

In short: path is the problem; but you probably don't want to match root (/) unless you change the machine match to tuckerspawn.fictioneer.org (otherwise you're going to be sharing cookies with other fictioneer sites).

Hope that helps.

Amy!

Re: Moving servers [message #6086] Wed, 19 November 2008 23:43 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Erin Halfelven  is currently offline Erin Halfelven
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Thanks for the analysis guys! I'll see what I can figure out.

Hugs,
Erin
Re: Moving servers [message #6087] Thu, 20 November 2008 06:38 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Sir Lee  is currently offline Sir Lee
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It seems to be working fine now. Thanks, Erin and Amy!


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Re: Moving servers [message #6088] Thu, 20 November 2008 14:04 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Erin Halfelven  is currently offline Erin Halfelven
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Yay! We're finally calamari free! Makes you want to go out and cuddle fish, don't it? Smile

Hugs,
Erin
Re: Moving servers [message #6093] Mon, 24 November 2008 19:20 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Eric  is currently offline Eric
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It may be too soon to rejoice, but it looks as though the folks from Eastern Europe who were signing on as Jackfrost or me haven't followed the link and shown up here so far.

Eric

Re: Moving servers [message #6094] Mon, 24 November 2008 20:56 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Erin Halfelven  is currently offline Erin Halfelven
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Good news. Smile

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Erin
Re: Moving servers [message #6113] Tue, 09 December 2008 08:14 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Sir Lee  is currently offline Sir Lee
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Erin, a bit of an annoyance that has cropped up lately (I believe since the move):

Now, every time someone posts in a forum I have posted before, I receive an e-mail notification. It didn't use to happen before. I tried to change options in the Control Panel, and the only thing that worked was to turn off notifications altogether.

The funny thing is that I have the exact same setup in my Control Panel in another FUDforum 2.7.7 powered board (the Whateley board at http://www.crystalhall.org/chboards3/) and it doesn't happen there -- I only get an e-mail there when someone PMs me. So, I think that may be something different in the board setup.

If it's not too much to ask... could you have a look into it?

Thanks.

Oh, by the way, I tried to send this message as a PM, but the board kept telling me that "Erin Halfelven is not a user in this forum." Is that intentional?


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Re: Moving servers [message #6114] Tue, 09 December 2008 10:52 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Erin Halfelven  is currently offline Erin Halfelven
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No that's not intentional. Are you sure you were spelling it right?

I'll take a look at the notifications, but you know, they had quit working on the old server for me weeks ago.

Hugs,
Erin
Re: Moving servers [message #6115] Tue, 09 December 2008 10:59 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Erin Halfelven  is currently offline Erin Halfelven
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Okay, I changed one of the email settings which was expressed as a double negative:

Do you want to disable the system that sends notifications ignoring the users own settings?

Uh? Yes. I think.

- Erin
Re: Moving servers [message #6116] Tue, 09 December 2008 18:10 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Sir Lee  is currently offline Sir Lee
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Erin Halfelven wrote on Tue, 09 December 2008 13:52

No that's not intentional. Are you sure you were spelling it right?


Well, I clicked on the "PM" button. Just tried it again, with the same result...

Oh, and the change in settings seems to have worked: I received one e-mail with a copy of your first message, but not the second one.

[Updated on: Tue, 09 December 2008 18:11]


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Re: Moving servers [message #6117] Tue, 09 December 2008 22:52 Go to previous message
Erin Halfelven  is currently offline Erin Halfelven
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PMs do not seem to be working. Fooey. More work.

Hugs,
Erin
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