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I just read chapter eight--I tried to give seven a look over to see what's been added to it but I couldn't see anything. I did notice in chapter eight a reference to Tuck's condition meaning he was ineligible for military service, but am unsure now whether that means asthma or his intersex condition (which as far as I know of the time line shouldn't have even come up yet...) Otherwise, wow what a chapter!

Instead of the cheerful anarchy I remembered feeling while reading the original, where Tuck was always able to pull something out of her bag that would send Aunt Jane into her best Wiley Coyote 'just fell off the cliff' impression, this latest chapter really highlights the mental breakdown Tuck has been experiencing. There is a real understated but deepening sense of dread underscoring events in this chapter. Whereas the last time Tuck escaped I could swear I heard the Benny Hill chase theme playing, this time I am at the edge of my seat as the music from Aliens throbs and I keep having to resist the urge to shout--don't open that door!--as the progression of the plot continues ever onward.

Ellen's made it clear in the past that Seasons was never intended to be a comedy, and how she had puzzled over how anyone could not see the horror she intended to evoke.

Aunt Jane's program depends on her charges being of a certain type. When Michael tried to commit suicide Jane was forced to take a hard look at herself and change her program accordingly. When Kenneth's case came she again had to refine and with some heavy soul-searching she did so, and yet again with Carlton. Jane's strength has always been in getting inside of the young boy's mind and using gender as a lever for change. Here though, now with Tuck it seems as if she has met someone whose personality counters her every method. Worse, due to misunderstandings by the both of them they are confirming each other's worst suspcions.

The next few chapters make me think we're heading into a perfect storm, I only hope that once the winds calm and the seas cease to rage there will be anything left to piece together.

--iWindoze

EDIT: w00t! This has been my 100th post! It certainly took me long enough... Wink

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Re: Chapter Eight is here! [message #6302] Mon, 21 September 2009 21:12 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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iWindoze wrote on Mon, 21 September 2009 15:43

I did notice in chapter eight a reference to Tuck's condition meaning he was ineligible for military service, but am unsure now whether that means asthma or his intersex condition (which as far as I know of the time line shouldn't have even come up yet...)


Hasn't been fully diagnosed, perhaps. Since:

"tuck27, 17:39 9 Apr

"Eugene?" Mom asked, but it was like she was really far away; I could barely hear her.


... they've been aware that Tuck has problems; the problems seemed so overwhelming that Tuck ran away from home. Already in the spring, they know that this is not just juvenile gynecomastia, although they don't know much more. Not sure about the nineties; in the late seventies/early eighties similar conditions were automatic 4f (fsvo "similar").

In the seasons alternative, instead of backing off and giving Tuck the summer to come to terms with things (heh, saw how well that worked out, huh? ... hey, kid's a teenager, there will be angst and drama), Bill decides that the running-off stunt was undisciplined and dangerous, and ships the kid off to something like a military school, where, presumably, Bill thinks that Tuck will be forced to come to terms with living with a difference, and will learn habits of discipline/restraint that'll keep him (or her, though Bill wouldn't be thinking that at this point) alive.

Now ... what would be amusing would be if the naval officer turns out to have been visiting his child at the local military academy ....

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Re: Chapter Eight is here! [message #6303] Tue, 22 September 2009 19:20 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Yeah; wow, what a chapter.

The hue-and-cry may be intense, depending on what Jane tells the Local Lawnforcement. One interesting thing for Tuck to do is to pick up something to darken his hair in the grocery. An extra-large football jersey might also be useful, if the grocery carries such things. Anyone at the grocery would remember the "blonde jogger babe" while people in the surplus store would remember "the brown-haired kid."
Re: Chapter Eight is here! [message #6304] Wed, 23 September 2009 15:43 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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mkemp wrote on Tue, 22 September 2009 16:20

Yeah; wow, what a chapter.

One interesting thing for Tuck to do is to pick up something to darken his hair in the grocery.... Anyone at the grocery would remember the "blonde jogger babe" while people in the surplus store would remember "the brown-haired kid."


Tuck could go to a wig shop without drawing any suspicions so he can disguise at will on his 'run'.

However, as the plot continues, we expect his relationship to continue with Jane - either he is returned to her by Carol's husband the cop, or Tuck returns voluntarily. Therefore a bottle to alter his hair color or a wig found on his person would reveal his intentions, unless it is stashed before he is caught or he finds some allies to help him.

I find the more interesting aspect of this plot direction is what will happen when Jane finds out about Sandy's confrontation? Tuck finally reacted violently. It has been established in chapter 3 that Tuck reacts badly when he is touched without warning. Will Jane accept this self-defense argument, or will Tuck be further "punished" for not coming up with Jane's 50's concept of feminine responses to deflect physical confrontations? The standard Seasons plot cannot accept the former, the Tucker family post 60's philosophy doesn't accept the later. Imagine Sarah or Susan being taught in the Seasons house, Sarah would strangle Jane!

I applaud Ellen here for escalating the tension in the story and working to merge these two philosophies. I can't wait for the next chapter...
Re: Chapter Eight is here! [message #6305] Wed, 23 September 2009 21:57 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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AAccording To Tuck Squared, Tuck gets either red hair with a red streak or red hair with a black streak. whether from his machinations or through Jane's. I can't remember.
Re: Chapter Eight is here! [message #6306] Thu, 24 September 2009 02:51 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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stanman wrote on Wed, 23 September 2009 18:57

AAccording To Tuck Squared, Tuck gets either red hair with a red streak or red hair with a black streak. whether from his machinations or through Jane's. I can't remember.


That was based on the original story, which has is now *definitely* an alternate timeline.
Re: Chapter Eight is here! [message #6307] Fri, 25 September 2009 14:17 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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True, but I am hoping that Ellen keeps such details in the new version. he said that she was dissatisfied with the original, so I'd like to see her place her story after the Tigger-Brandy stories.
Re: Chapter Eight is here! [message #6308] Fri, 25 September 2009 20:50 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Brooke wrote on Wed, 23 September 2009 23:51

stanman wrote on Wed, 23 September 2009 18:57

AAccording To Tuck Squared, Tuck gets either red hair with a red streak or red hair with a black streak. whether from his machinations or through Jane's. I can't remember.

That was based on the original story, which has is now *definitely* an alternate timeline.


The Tuck Squared fanfic written by Rachel Greenham which can be found her site @ http://strangenoises.org/node/6

stanman wrote on Fri, 25 September 2009 11:17

True, but I am hoping that Ellen keeps such details in the new version. ...


Heh, heh... Folks! We are treading on dangerous ground here!

I don't think Ellen, nor any author, is obligated to keep any facts from previous versions in their rewrites. That's the purpose of a rewrite! Your hope of what she should keep implies she no longer owns the behaviour of her story characters once a fanfic or derivation is written. Ellen once said that these characters are her children. Word of advice - don't tell a parent how to bring up their children! Think Mama T-Rex in Jurassic Park II Smile

I like fanfics and I would hate to see Tuck fanfics being discouraged in the future because we tell the author of the canon work what the same author can and cannot do in non-canon work!

I also love Rachel's stories and, the fact that Ellen has Rachel's story on her website, implies Ellen thinks well of it also. I am sad to see Rachel hasn't updated her "Taken" series in almost 2 years. I'd like to see more fanfics - I wish I had such imagination to be able write my own!

The irony here is that Tuck Season's was sort of a farce fanfic of the Season's series with Tuck as Jane's antagonist by Ellen, in which another fanfic was later derived by Rachel. I think it's great! This is just a variant concept of Ellen's Mono-Mania work of multiple endings. You get to a point in a story timeline and then vector it into a different directions. There is NO RIGHT or WRONG! I think Ellen has the right to go in a new direction.

TuVal's hair was dyed blonde #22/24 for a reason. So let's trust Ellen that she has a logical plan for doing this. Ellen has the abilities of a Mentat and all will be eventually revealed....


Re: Chapter Eight is here! [message #6309] Sat, 26 September 2009 02:45 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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I vaguely recall either Ellen or Rachel saying that, while the story was being rewritten, one of the goals was to keep it consistent with Tuck^2. That was several years ago and may no longer pertain, even assuming I remember that much correctly. We shall see!
Re: Chapter Eight is here! [message #6310] Sat, 26 September 2009 10:20 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Just a bit of fanfic:

Tuck cracked the chemlight and tossed it to the other side of the room. He grinned to himself in anticipation. *Payback's such a bitch.*

Jane woke up with a wet towel stuffed into her mouth. She tried to move and found that she was spreadeagled on her bed. She was startled when a figure with a bandanna over its lower face sat on the side of her bed. It pulled down the bandanna with one hand. *Valerie,* Jane realized with a start. A second figure with its bandanna still in place sat on the other side of the bed and a third figure materialized at the foot of the bed. It had long hair and crossed its arms under its breasts.

Tuck grinned at Jane, the green light in the room combining with the yellow of his hair to produce blue highlights. Tuck said, "My name is Eugene Wallace Tucker, generally known as Tuck. I was supposed to go to a boot camp this summer; my dad promised me a Libretto laptop computer if I'd do it. Instead, I wound up here.

"Let me tell you what happened when I arrived, then we'll let you respond. If your answer isn't convincing or if you try to scream we'll kill everyone here and burn this place to the ground. We have enough thermite to make sure that there won't be anything left but a pile of ashes. My friends are here to keep me from doing anything unilaterally."

The second figure moved a big knife back and forth in Jane's field of vision. She was terrified, and totally certain that they were deadly serious.

"When I got here you drugged me, stole my belongings and tried to kill me with that bath stuff." Tuck shook his head. "That kind of thing can trigger an asthma attack that'll put me in the hospital, and that's something you should have known."

The other figure said, "Tuck."

Tuck stopped and took a breath. "Okay, after that you kept putting me in little girl's clothing. The conclusion I reached was that you were training me to be a pedophile's playmate and if I tried to escape from the house you'd kill me and bury my body in the woods. I also figured that I couldn't trust any food you or Marie had access to. 'Fool me once, shame on you; fool me twice, shame on me.'"

Jane tried to say something and shook her head.

"It really wasn't that way? That's where the available evidence led me." Tuck put a hand on the towel. "I'm going to let you talk now. Be convincing, or I'll cut your throat below your larynx so you can't even scream as you bleed out."

The woman at the foot of the bed said, "Aww, that's the best part."
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THat is a very sick version, I LOVE IT!
Re: Chapter Eight is here! [message #6312] Sun, 27 September 2009 17:07 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Yeah; I thought the blue highlights from a green chemlight and blonde hair was a clever touch. {the 'twisted smiley' was supposed to go here}

I can actually visualize TuVal staying around for lessons in 'elegant feminine manners' once Jane's atitude is adjusted.

I can also visualize a couple of scenarios happening next: Tuck calls Mike for his 'escape and evasion' kit, Tuck calls Mike (and possibly Debbie) for extraction, Tuck calls Bill and/or Sarge Lanier for extraction.

All I do know is whatever Ellen comes up with is gonna be unexpected. That's why we love her.

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Re: Chapter Eight is here! [message #6313] Wed, 30 September 2009 23:20 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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But what if after the latest chapter, Tu-Val and Jane come to an understanding? Tu-Val does honor a contract. what hapened with Sandy was a gut reaction. All that Tu-Val needs to do is tell Jane that AT SCHOOL, he was hurt by students, eo he is paranoid.

Then, when he tels her of the nightmares and how he deals with them, Jane might let him have a valium a night, or sleep witth Charlene.
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stanman wrote on Fri, 25 September 2009 11:17

...I'd like to see her place her story after the Tigger-Brandy stories.


Can't, the story has to take place during the summer of 1997, otherwise the date stamps in the Tuck series is out of whack. However, there aren't many dates or events referenced in Seasons except 9/11 (Ken's Barbie) in one of the stories so Ellen might be able to sketch in some of the earlier students into the story. Also see
http://www.shadowgard.com/~brooke/seasons/seasonspass.htm

stanman wrote on Wed, 30 September 2009 20:20

But what if after the latest chapter, Tu-Val and Jane come to an understanding? Tu-Val does honor a contract. what hapened with Sandy was a gut reaction. All that Tu-Val needs to do is tell Jane that AT SCHOOL, he was hurt by students, eo he is paranoid.



That's the standard Season's plot - but you just can't get there by Valerie knocking on the Season's mansion front door and say to Jane "forgive me, let's start over. The fight between Sandy and I was self-defense, how about a contract?"

Jane has a folder about a different Eugene that does bad things of which we know nothing. Jane still doesn't know that it's a different Eugene - nor has Ellen written into the plot that Jane suspects that something is off. Why should Jane believe what Valerie tells her? The plot will somehow follow a similar pattern to Ken's Seasons story, where the actions of Ken didn't match the personality on the file of the student Jane thinks is in her care.

In the Tigger Seasons series, Jane considers all of her cohorts above reproach, Marie, Carol, Sandy, Ms. Franson, Sheriff Beale, Art, Darryl/Darla, etc. So if Sandy says she was attacked and Sandy omitted her action of grabbing Valerie in explanation to Jane (because Sandy honestly didn't consider it a factor) - who would Jane believe?

The ongoing brinksmanship between Valerie and Jane is what will make this story. In the Tigger series, Jane wins the battle of wills. In this story - it can only go to a stalemate, but each learns from the other.
Re: Chapter Eight is here! [message #6315] Sat, 03 October 2009 07:52 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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No, It is Season Of Teror that mentions the attack, so Victoria would then be absent, unless Ellen was to advance the tuck sage up to today, then all but season of rememberance and perhaps losing season are viable
Re: Chapter Eight is here! [message #6316] Sat, 03 October 2009 15:11 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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The Tuck main sage *is* firmly rooted in 1996/1997. There are just too many current events mentions:

- South Park premiere
- Death of Princess Diana
- Windows was still '95
- Linux was still obscure to the point of hardly anyone having heard of it
- Cellphones were expensive and uncommon among teens

...to name just a few

And Tuck Season logically has to take place in 1997 for the same reasons. Also, there are internal references that would place it back -- for instance, the computers mentioned:

- Tuck borrowed a notebook from his dad. It was an old but serviceable one -- a 486 with modem and CD-ROM. A working 486 nowadays wouldn't rate "old", it would rate "antique" and "collectible." But it fits right for 1997.
- Tuck is doing this for a Libretto 50 -- which was introduced in January 1997.


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Re: Chapter Eight is here! [message #6317] Tue, 06 October 2009 08:26 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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OK, But the Seasons House can easily be back dated by Ellen so that only Victoriaand Failes Season are exempt as wll as Season Of Rememberence. on Beverly's Balcony.

So far, in the revised story, only Charlene's big sis is mentioned. Who know who Ellen will have show up?
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Sir Lee wrote on Sat, 03 October 2009 12:11

The Tuck main sage *is* firmly rooted in 1996/1997.


Yep - and Ellen said so in Chap1 (I forgot to RTFM! Laughing ) :
From Chapt 1 - preface:

Third, this story is not what one can call "canonical" Tuck. Instead, this story takes place in an alternate universe with the same characters. It begins sometime after April 15th, and skips a lot until May 24th...
Fourth, there aren't any date/time stamps in this one. It's sequential in time, so it shouldn't be too hard to figure out. If anyone thinks I need them: too honkin' bad.
Fifth, this is not the same 'edition' as previously showcased on my site; *I* *TOLD* *YOU* not to save the previous copy. This one is seriously revised, in part because during the first writing of this, Tigger wrote at least two more Seasons stories with recurring characters ("Hold, I say HOLD that damned universe STILL for a minute, wouldya!")and thus the introduction of those same characters into the previous version of this one was necessarily rather choppy.

Geneology and Timeline:

Seasons Of Change - Joel Lawrence, c. late 1980's
Tales Of The Season, Darla's Story - Tigger, c.1994
Tales Of The Season, Kendra's Story - Tigger, c.1994
Tales Of The Season, Caitlyn's Story - Tigger, c.1996
-> Tuck Season, Wabbit Season, Tuck Season - me, c.1997 <- this one
A Time For Every Season - Tigger, c.1998

Circa dates are when I estimate the story happened, not when they were
written.

OK 'nuff said - onto a new subject....

What skills that Tuck has yet to exhibit to Jane that she wouldn't expect from Tuck? As these might be indicators to Jane that she doesn't have the right student. Furthermore since Ellen indicated above that this is a revised version, I'd expect a more in depth progression down the rabbit hole...
I can only come up with the following:
- Nurturing, or rather dealing with children (from babysittinng at the Parker's in March)
- Collegiate level math
- Computer Programming and Diagnostics
- ASL sign language
- Cooking
- Gaming strategy, which no one should suspect from her poor checker play with Charlene in Chapt 6.
- Basic engineering/planning
Note: Interesting that Old Tom didn't relay the parts listing requirements from Tuck to fix the balcony to Jane..
- Survival(ist?) skills

I am curious as to what is in the file jacket for the other Eugene Wallace as to skills and health issues. Jane didn't follow up on the allergies in the previous chapters.



Re: Chapter Eight is here! [message #6319] Fri, 09 October 2009 06:25 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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So, then Jane should look at the information on Wallace to see that she got Tucked. But that won't happen until later on when something happens that she does not expect, such as say Tuck's computer savy, or his medical oddity if he need medical attention. Or maybe he has the ribcage of a female rather than a male. A male has one less rib.
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stanman wrote on Fri, 09 October 2009 07:25

So, then Jane should look at the information on Wallace to see that she got Tucked. But that won't happen until later on when something happens that she does not expect, such as say Tuck's computer savy, or his medical oddity if he need medical attention. Or maybe he has the ribcage of a female rather than a male. A male has one less rib.


I believe that's an old wive's tale, spawning from a Lamarckian interpretation of the Bible's Genesis. Both men and women have 12 rib pairs. Usually. A small number have an extra rib, and those are more common in women than in men, but still, we are talking about 1 in 200 people here.


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Sir Lee:
We're talking about Tuck here; if anybody is gonna be that one in 200 it'll be him.
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Even if Tuck does have an extra rib (talk about hitting the genetic crap lottery...), it means nothing. It is more common on females, but it also happens on males. Also, why would Jane:
1) *Notice* it, unless in a context where *other* stuff (like budding breasts) would be far more readily noticeable?
2) Somehow think it's a discrepancy from her files (c'mon, do you think Eugene Wallace's files have a note saying how many ribs he has)?


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Sir Lee wrote on Fri, 09 October 2009 18:51

Also, why would Jane:
1) *Notice* it, unless in a context where *other* stuff (like budding breasts) would be far more readily noticeable?



Which, in fact, has already been noticed, and discounted as juvenile gynecomastia.

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But, according to Tuck Squared, Tuck helped one of Jane's friends with a computer problem. Does Wallace have that comp savvy?
Then, Jane could discreetly investigate Tuck -Wallace and deal with Tuck as she did with Kendra.
She knows from past experience that Tuck is liable to go postal. So, I doubt that she will send Tuck away, but will threaten too in order to set up a contract with Tuck
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stanman wrote on Mon, 12 October 2009 17:37

But, according to Tuck Squared, Tuck helped one of Jane's friends with a computer problem. Does Wallace have that comp savvy?
Then, Jane could discreetly investigate Tuck -Wallace and deal with Tuck as she did with Kendra.


That was in the old "Seasons." I liked that sequence, thought it very funny, but We don't know what Ellen is going to do with it in the revised version. It could be anything from "substantially the same, with details changed" to "entirely scrapped."

And anyway, it cannot happen until and unless Tuck and Jane come to some sort of understanding -- NO WAY Jane would allow a downright hostile Valerie out of her sights. And that would place Jane back in control, with no reason to double-check "Wallace's" background.

Further, Jane is not knowledgeable enough about computers to tell if Tuck's level of knowledge is that remarkable -- lots of older people have the mistaken impression that being computer-savvy is a normal thing for the "younger generation."


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At this point in the story I don't see Tuck voluntarily putting himself into Jane's hands unless they reach some kind of rapprochement. How and what kind is left to the inventive mind of Our Author (hint).
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Well, Jane knows that Sandy does go overboard at times, and that Valerie does at times go postal. I can't help but think that she will berate herself for not staying with Val. She probably thinks that Val is an abused child, and if so, will do what she can to help her. She did that with Darla, Kendra, Caitlyn, and Michelle. Aunt Jane is a tigress when it comes to her students safety.
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So Jane can attribute this to Valerie-the-abused reflexively lashing out instead of a deliberate assault? That means the hunt will have an entirely different flavor.

I still think that Tuck would be well-advised to procure the supplies and equipment needed to disappear from a less-than-serious search (no helicopters or dogs) for a couple of days and get caught up on his sleep (nobody'll suspect him to be in the fork of a tree covered in a ghillie suit), then use a linesman's handset to tap into a random circuit on a NIC and try to talk to Jane.

On the other paw, Tuck might say "Screw this," and simply go home. A crew cut and fatigues with some 'look older' makeup would be a good disguise at this point. Plot wrinkle: Naval officer stops to give a ride to what he thinks is a soldier.
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mkemp wrote on Sat, 17 October 2009 21:37

So Jane can attribute this to Valerie-the-abused reflexively lashing out instead of a deliberate assault? That means the hunt will have an entirely different flavor.


Well, it's possible that Jane might take it that way. It's not certain, though. Jane has dealt with both violent and traumatized youths in the past; she should be prepared to expect either.

mkemp wrote on Sat, 17 October 2009 21:37

I still think that Tuck would be well-advised to procure the supplies and equipment needed to disappear from a less-than-serious search (no helicopters or dogs) for a couple of days and get caught up on his sleep (nobody'll suspect him to be in the fork of a tree covered in a ghillie suit), then use a linesman's handset to tap into a random circuit on a NIC and try to talk to Jane.

On the other paw, Tuck might say "Screw this," and simply go home. A crew cut and fatigues with some 'look older' makeup would be a good disguise at this point. Plot wrinkle: Naval officer stops to give a ride to what he thinks is a soldier.


I'll try to avoid leaking any info derived from knowledge of the old Seasons version; it might not even be relevant to the revised version.

Anyway, consider that early on chapter 1 Tuck assumed responsibility for a notebook, and the Tucker family tends to take such responsibility seriously. It wouldn't be enough to keep him in an untenable situation -- Tuck is trained better than that, he knows survival is first priority, and is willing to abandon the notebook and other stuff if needed -- but it might color the judgment of whether this situation is untenable or not. Roughly speaking, if he manages to complete his stint at Jane's, Tuck is plus one notebook; if he bails, he *owes* one notebook.

(Bill probably would cancel the debt in case of real danger; OTOH, he might *keep* the debt *even if the notebook is later recovered*, as an object lesson, if it turns out that the danger was not real and Tuck overreacted.)

[Updated on: Sat, 17 October 2009 21:01]


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Good points, Sir Lee.

Note also that we-the-readers have more information than Tuck has (on several different levels: knowledge of Seasons oeuvre, parts of the story told from the point of view of Jane, or of Charlie/Charlene). So, as a reminder: Tuck know that his parents sent him to Jane's, on purpose, because of his undisciplined response to the initial diagnosis/symptoms of abnormal (and feminine) growth patterns (yes, yes, even the folks who've never seen the older version have by now realized that some wires have gotten crossed to send Tuck into a hell of which Bill and Sarah are unlikely ever to approve, but Tuck doesn't know).

That's a profound fact. It's clear that Tuck thinks Jane trains child whores (certainly a reasonable interpretation). There's a profound disconnect between that supposition and the fact that Bill and Sarah sent Tuck into this situation (so far as Tuck is reading the situation). Something is very wrong, and it's probably a question that Tuck is going to puzzle over--once he's laagered up in a safe place, with alarms set, and has had a chance to crash, to recover from extreme sleep deprivation.

Once he's decided whether his parents have sent him to be trained as a child whore (or not), that will condition some of his subsequent decisions. After all, if they have betrayed him so deeply, then "going home" is probably not going to happen (unless he can find blackmail/leverage against his parents, to keep himself safe). If he decides that they didn't betray him, the question is: not on purpose? They were misinformed? (because that would suggest that they would be allies--and potentially terrifying (to Jane) allies, if Tuck can trust them to be outraged at the prospect of his being trained as a child whore) Or ... because despite all the evidence, Jane's over-the-top abuse doesn't have as its end the training of juvenile prostitutes? Certainly the fans of Seasons here jump to this conclusion; I'll simply note that Tuck isn't a fan, and only has Jane's actions and assertions on which to judge.

One interesting thing, here: if Tuck decides that Jane isn't a slaver, despite her behavior, chances are that he won't think it possible that his parents made a mistake as well. He's young; he's likely to set it up as "either/or". Either she's a child slaver, and his parents betrayed him or were deceived, or she's not--in which case his parents intended to put him into this environment and his future depends upon how he completes the course.

Amy!

[Updated on: Sat, 17 October 2009 21:58]

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Amy! wrote on Sat, 17 October 2009 20:56

One interesting thing, here: if Tuck decides that Jane isn't a slaver, despite her behavior, chances are that he won't think it possible that his parents made a mistake as well. He's young; he's likely to set it up as "either/or". Either she's a child slaver, and his parents betrayed him or were deceived, or she's not--in which case his parents intended to put him into this environment and his future depends upon how he completes the course.

Amy!


Hmmm... just because it hasn't been explicitly mentioned doesn't mean Tuck is not considering the possibilities! It also dovetails nicely with how paranoid the Tuckers seem to be, there is plenty of fodder here for panic, sleep-deprivation, and drugs to work with. Tuck could be convinced his family is part of some cabal of child pornography and prostitution, and without Mike along to ground him...

I sincerely hope Tuck makes his way up a tall tree with plenty of branches and catches some much needed sleep-eye before he makes irrevocable decisions!

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But with Tuck's paranoia, and sleep deprivation and nightmares, what will he do next? True, he did get some much needed sleep without the nightmares, but he REACTED instead of acting. When will he become rational? Will he decide to return home? Will he return to Aunt Jane's to retrieve his things? If so, while there, will he zonk out from malnutrition, need to sleep, or taking valium, or a stiff drink?
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iWindoze wrote on Mon, 21 September 2009 20:43

Whereas the last time Tuck escaped I could swear I heard the Benny Hill chase theme playing


Yakety Sax. There's an excellent version of W! T! C! WIPEOUT!! set to this.

, this time I am at the edge of my seat as the music from Aliens throbs and I keep having to resist the urge to shout--don't open that door!--as the progression of the plot continues ever onward.

iWindoze wrote on Mon, 21 September 2009 20:43


Ellen's made it clear in the past that Seasons was never intended to be a comedy, and how she had puzzled over how anyone could not see the horror she intended to evoke.



??? I didn't puzzle over it, I just didn't write it well enough. That's, er, why I was RE-writing it.


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lurker wrote on Sat, 26 September 2009 01:50

I like fanfics and I would hate to see Tuck fanfics being discouraged in the future because we tell the author of the canon work what the same author can and cannot do in non-canon work!

Well, I'm not THAT sensitive. I take the pieces that are useful, and throw the rest away without a qualm. (Possibly with derisive laughter, but I don't post that)

What chaps my ass, as we used to say, is when I say "No, not gonna happen that way" and then someone INSISTS that it MUST happen however-they-said, that I have NO ALTERNATIVE.

lurker wrote on Sat, 26 September 2009 01:50

I think Ellen has the right to go in a new direction.

Um, was there even the possibility of a question about whether I have this right or not?

lurker wrote on Sat, 26 September 2009 01:50

TuVal's hair was dyed blonde #22/24 for a reason. So let's trust Ellen that she has a logical plan for doing this.

Er. Sandy gave her reason(s)... Ellen has a plan, but -- dealing with humans so intimately as it does -- 'logic' is only a tiny tiny part...

lurker wrote on Sat, 26 September 2009 01:50

Ellen has the abilities of a Mentat and all will be eventually revealed....


It is by caffeine alone I set my mind in motion
It is by the juice of the bean that thoughts acquire speed
the urine acquires a stain
the stain becomes a warning
It is by caffeine alone I set my mind in motion.

For proper effect, you have to say it so it comes out a blur of syllables. And FD&C Yellow #5 does appear to pass unchanged out of the kidneys.


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mkemp wrote on Sat, 26 September 2009 15:20

The woman at the foot of the bed said, "Aww, that's the best part."

Maybe it's just me, but that sounds way too much like George to be a girl... though, if it was George, the fanfic cut off just before George said something really disgusting and likely terrifying.


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I was thinking that just Mike and Debbie had made the trip, probably because bringing Da Boyz or the Pack would be logistically difficult. Plus I view Debbie putting up with George in close quarters for that length of time without bloodshed as improbable.

The whole screaming-with-a-cut-throat was a bit of improv that I could kinda see Tuck coming up with and Debbie going along with. It's probably anachronistic because this takes place before video clips of that sort of thing would be on the Internet.

On Chapter Eight, I'm thinking that Jane and Tuck are in a positive-feedback cycle; each influences the other's behavior to become more extreme.

Good to see your phosphors again, by the way.
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Well, If or when Mike and Debbie reach Seasons House, Jane will either be very sorry for even thinking about taking Tuck, or they will see it all as very funny. Tuck, even though paranoid, does honor any contract.
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