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Tuck at McAllen [message #5998] Mon, 08 September 2008 04:48 Go to next message
Eric  is currently offline Eric
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Is there some reason why the questions have been recurring lately about Tuck staying at McAllen? I can't see where there's any real question about it now: he wants to be there for his friends; his danger on the school grounds has been reduced with the arrest and expulsion or transfer of the perpetrators (a minority, to be sure, of his former active persecutors but certainly an object lesson for the rest of them); Debbie's actions have systematically discredited the bullies and set the administration, a vigilante group of sorts (the Knights) and public opinion all against them; tolerance toward people perceived as gay (and other minorities) is on the rise. (And on the practical side, Tuck's now protected both by armor and Bill's buddy system.)

Sure, the situation isn't ideal there, and of course Tuck is both physically weaker and less healthy than he was before the attack. But he made his decision on the matter and told his parents they had no way of overruling him short of locking him in his room and staying home to prevent his escape. It appears that on this issue even Mike's advice wouldn't be enough to dissuade him from attending. (And apparently it's too overwhelming a question for the family's regular disciplinary system of fines and groundings -- I'm reminded of Neil R Smith's libertarian utopia where any government action requires the unanimous consent of the governed.)

Granted, the situation seems overdue for someone at school to expose him as Valerie, and we've had discussions here trying to guess to what extent that would compound his problems there. My own feeling: not much, because it's been a couple of months now since people started commenting on his increasingly feminine behavior and spreading rumors about his wearing makeup at school. I'm inclined to think that reports of his having a femme name and wearing skirts would just be considered more of the same.

If he officially transitioned at McAllen as Rachel's Valerie did, that'd be a different and much more contentious matter. But I don't see Tuck making that kind of decision anytime soon in the absence of some major development that forces the issue -- something a lot bigger than the mere discovery of Valerie at a concert, restaurant or dance club.

Eric
Re: Tuck at McAllen-ll [message #6004] Mon, 08 September 2008 23:43 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Well Eric, Tuck does want to attend school and has fun in that makeup class. And Dobson is on Tuck's side which is a plus. As for him being outed as Valerie, It may cause a few problems, but Dobson will make sure that whoever outed Tuck if a student or teacher will be punished. But so far, the only ones that know abot Valerie have no reason to out Tuck.
Re: Tuck at McAllen-ll [message #6008] Tue, 09 September 2008 11:21 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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stanman wrote on Mon, 08 September 2008 20:43

Well Eric, Tuck does want to attend school and has fun in that makeup class. And Dobson is on Tuck's side which is a plus. As for him being outed as Valerie, It may cause a few problems, but Dobson will make sure that whoever outed Tuck if a student or teacher will be punished. But so far, the only ones that know abot Valerie have no reason to out Tuck.


actually, there are a *number* of instances where Tuck was out as Val and thought he heard someone from school. And others where he actually ran into them but they didn't act like they recognized him.

So it's quite possible that more folks know, *we* just aren't aware of it. Some may not even realize that they know. Yet.

Heck, I ran into one person at local SF for many years (I first recall her wearing a Visitor uniform from V, which will give some folks an idea how long ago it was).

And I ran into her in the local kink community starting in the late 80s. Yet it wasn't until about 5 years ago that I realized they were the same person.

And that's *without* any attempt at disguise.
Re: Tuck at McAllen [message #6010] Thu, 11 September 2008 19:22 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Well, Tuck as Valerie can be explained if ever outed, Val is Tuck's cousin which is why they look alike. kind of like Drew/Gaby and Maddy. Drew and Maddy are cousin who can pass for twins, especially since he is seen as a girl all too often.
Re: Tuck at McAllen [message #6393] Sun, 06 June 2010 15:15 Go to previous message
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stanman wrote on Thu, 11 September 2008 16:22

Well, Tuck as Valerie can be explained if ever outed, Val is Tuck's cousin which is why they look alike. kind of like Drew/Gaby and Maddy. Drew and Maddy are cousin who can pass for twins, especially since he is seen as a girl all too often.


The problem here is that Tucks own reactions to the possibility of discovery contradicts such an attempt at explination.

1. When Jack told Tuck he knew Tuck freaked out and started running. The act of the guilty.

2. When Tuck thought Travis was around and he was in boy emilation mode he freaked out and nearly outed himself by his display.

3. When Tuck DID run into Travis he was playing duck in and out over and over again at the mall to change who he was.

Also it has been shown several times that while Tuck does look convincingly like a girl and even has all the mannerisms, Valerie still looks enough like Tucker for people to figure it out.

Now before anyone brings it up, lets look at the begining of the story and All Hallows Eve at school and the day after. There where a few mitigating circumstances that allowed him to pull off the passing in school trick on Halloween.

1. The teachers got in on the prank after Dobson sent the note with Tucker. This ment that authority figures where saying, more or less, this is not Tucker this is Valerie. The mental suggestion would help to push the studants into accepting what they saw as a new studant, and not Tuck.

2. Rob was, as was usual for him it seems, drunk during both encounters with Tuck. This helps Tuck to pass with out notice because of Robs intoxication.

3. Tuck changed both his hair color (blonde wig) and his accent (was using a Long Island accent) during Halloween. This added to the ability to disguise who he really was.

4. All this still was not enough to fool the people that really knew Tuck well. And it is safe to say his face has become more well known around McAllen since the begining of the story, for better or worse.

All in all, his own reactions at discovery plus the lack of mitigating circumstances combined I think would make it easier for studants to recognize Tuck as Val. Particularly studants from his Cosmetics class. He will likely eventually see Tuck in make up in that class as it is and it won't take long when they get to hair to realize just how feminine his hair style really is. It just will eventually bubble over from suposition by fellow students to being outted in some accidental meeting while out and about.
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