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which is more than I can say for the fucking car. *sighs* I should've got a VW Beetle (Original) ...

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Re: Seasons #15 is up [message #6794] Sun, 24 April 2011 23:04 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Heh. I have a 1970 VW bus. It's the car that my daddy taught me to drive on. It was the first car that my parents bought new. Driving it is *still* like having a large, purring cat in my lap. It's not possible to drive a bus and experience road rage, I think.

Mind, it *frequently* has issues (the latest was blowing out a rear brake cylinder on the way home from the lumber store ... black smoke for twenty miles, as the brake fluid burned out of the passenger-side rear brake, and all those people in late-model cars *hammering* their horns). The best that can be said about it is that even *I* can fix it, and I'm as mechanically inept as you can imagine (I only have to *look* at a screwdriver to break a nail ... which is why my nails look so completely awful, no doubt).

Good story (on a more apropos note). "Tucker opened his eyes, finally, and discovered that he'd been kissing Charlene." You'd think the silly thing would manage to figure out that he's not the *only* boy in petticoats around there, but I suppose he has reason to think that he's a special case (and no doubt he assumes that his parents have shared medical data with Jane).

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Re: Seasons #15 is up [message #6795] Mon, 25 April 2011 17:51 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Great to see another chapter. Thanks, Ellen.

Although, I think the falling down the stairs bit feels like it is being overplayed. I was accepting it when Tuck was not sleeping or eating, and exhausted. But now he is back, and I thought somewhat rested, at least. It just seems that Tuck is too clumsy here, compared to the main story. He went through the whole day on Halloween on heels in the very first story, and he did not fall down the stairs at school, and he has had a few more occasions during the months of being Valerie in heels at this point.


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Re: Seasons #15 is up [message #6796] Mon, 25 April 2011 23:40 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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You'd think the silly thing would manage to figure out that he's not the *only* boy in petticoats around there

as I said before, people establish a person's gender in their head very quickly. and once established, it can be very difficult (and traumatic) to change.

Also, it's part of the story universe. you don't question how the enterprise flies, it's part of the setting.

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I think the falling down the stairs bit feels like it is being overplayed.

I have been wondering this too. It might be taking a while to get tuck back up to nominal. It has only been one night. It might take another day or two of recovery.

Tuck might just be acting too confidently in the heels. he DOES have experience with them, and he isn't worried about how he looks or anything, so he's walking or running when most boys are trying to make sure they are doing everything just right.

I've also been wondering if maybe the stairs are a little off on a couple steps. Like, if most people don't mind the slight irregularity to the stairs, but tuck is being more sensitive for some reason.

My other thought is that tuck might just be that scared of Jane. Most of the falls happen while he's worrying about Jane and what she's planning.

A really silly thing I've been wondering is if the lack of breasts is throwing off his balance. If that's it, I really wonder if it's psychological, not like Caitlyn, but like tuck had been walking like tuck and not like Val.
Re: Seasons #15 is up [message #6797] Tue, 26 April 2011 20:30 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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The Alice pack Kenneth mentions seeing in this chapter; I wonder if that was part of Tuck's initial luggage or the backpack from the breakout box? I ask this because Marie found locks on his initial luggage and in ch 10 Pauline notices locks on the backpack from the breakout box. I have a medium sized Alice pack and cannot see how conventional luggage locks would help to secure it since it closes with buckles and straps, not zippers.

Regarding Tuck's continued issues with stairs: I've had a week where I barely slept, it took me more than one or two nights of sleep to really recover. I imagine Tuck is still only partially restored at this point.

[Updated on: Tue, 26 April 2011 22:29]

Re: Seasons #15 is up [message #6798] Wed, 27 April 2011 05:47 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Regarding Tuck and the stairs, do keep in mind that the school (and the few other public places he has been while wearing heels) Generally have antiskid strips or the like specifically to *prevent* people who are not at their best from slipping and falling.

The stairs may be steeper than normal as well. At one house I lived in, I was *barefoot* and my feet slipped out from under my on the worn carpeting of the steep stairs when I was hurrying once.

Due to calluses and incipient calluses, the soles on my feet were almost as smooth ads many smooth soled shoes.

Fortunately, *because* the stairs were steeper than normal I wound up sliding down several stairs on my butt. rather than falling.

So a combo of rushing, smooth soles, and worn or overly smooth carpet could quite easily result in Tuck slipping frequently. Frankly, carpeted stairs are a *major* safety hazard unless you have well maintained carpet of the "right" type.

I can sympathize with his intestinal woes. I've only had a couple of bad bouts, and nowhere as bad as his, but they were bad enough.

Kenneth is correct that the contract is illegal. What I'm not sure he completely grasped is that *legality* is irrelevant. It's *binding* on Jane because Tuck has his "insurance". And on Tuck for reasons clear to us but that may not be clear to Jane and Co.

BTW, I know that Jane is still a bit under the weather, but I'm certain that she's smart enough that it won't be too long before Tuck's worries about poison make realize that she's got to do a *serious* re-evaluation of her SOP of drugging the students when they arrive.

When it sinks home just what reaction it could provoke in a student who, like Tucker, can recognize that they've been drugged, but has a somewhat different set of reactions than Tuckers, it ought to be good for a few nightmares.

I could see a kid putting the drugs together with Tuck's initial impression of "kiddy porn" setup and either trying to suicide or going utterly *berserk* on the basis that they haven't got anything left to lose.

Re: Seasons #15 is up [message #6799] Wed, 27 April 2011 09:18 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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I wonder if Val can find anything like this:
http://www.krylon.com/products/nonskid_coating/

She'd probably have to spritz it on shoe soles since Jane probably won't let her fix the real problem of the stair treads, or attack the shoe soles with a wire brush.
Re: Seasons #15 is up [message #6805] Thu, 28 April 2011 17:05 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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I've seen this tape on stairs, boats, airplanes, etc., http://www.jamestowndistributors.com/userportal/show_product.do?pid=2159 , but I think Jane would believe it ruins the house decor. Besides, Tuck seems to be the only one having the problem.

I think the "falling down the stairs" has the story relevance of convincing the rest of the household that Tuck does not have the experience of being en femme. We as readers know, but the contradiction for Jane and company of Tuck being able to run away and be convincing, yet not able to handle stairs in heels, will continue to confuse them.

As for the legality of the contract, it is really an "honor" contract, in which Jane and Tuck have used in their independent story lines of keeping their word. After all, without contracts, civilizations cease to exist... Razz .

I was waiting for someone to mention Ellen's addition of Valerie's use of sanitary napkins to handle wounds caused by Val's constipation, which will give her "girl" credibility somewhere along the way, probably to the "outside" girls during Val's excursions to the choir or where ever.
Re: Seasons #15 is up [message #6808] Sat, 30 April 2011 12:39 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Brooke wrote on Wed, 27 April 2011 04:47

I could see a kid putting the drugs together with Tuck's initial impression of "kiddy porn" setup and either trying to suicide or going utterly *berserk* on the basis that they haven't got anything left to lose.


Just because I have a touch of asshole in me, I find myself wishing someone would write a variation on that just to screw with Jane's head. Of course since I'm not entirely an asshole I'd hope the attempt wouldn't succeed and Jane would have a chance to fix things up. Maybe a nightmare fueled by a combination of fever, cold medicine, and a blunt realization of just why Tuck is so paranoid right now would do the trick?

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Re: Seasons #15 is up [message #6810] Sat, 30 April 2011 21:02 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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I think I posted this somewhere once, but here it is again:

Tuck cracked the chemlight and tossed it to the other side of the room. He grinned to himself in anticipation. *Payback's such a bitch.*

Jane woke up with a wet towel stuffed into her mouth. She tried to move and found that she was spreadeagled on her bed. She was startled when a figure with a bandanna over its lower face sat on the side of her bed. It pulled down the bandanna with one hand. *Valerie,* Jane realized with a start. A second figure with its bandanna still in place sat on the other side of the bed and a third figure materialized at the foot of the bed. It had long hair and crossed its arms under its breasts.

Tuck grinned at Jane, the green light in the room combining with the yellow of his hair to produce blue highlights. Tuck said, "My name is Eugene Wallace _Tucker_, generally known as Tuck. I was supposed to go to a boot camp this summer; my dad promised me a Libretto laptop computer if I'd do it. Instead, I wound up here.

"Let me tell you what happened when I arrived, then we'll let you respond. If your answer isn't convincing or if you try to scream we'll kill everyone here and burn this place to the ground. We have enough thermite to make sure that there won't be anything left but a pile of ashes. My friends are here to keep me from doing anything unilaterally."

The second figure moved a big knife back and forth in Jane's field of vision. She was terrified, and totally certain that they were deadly serious.

"When I got here you drugged me, stole my belongings and tried to kill me with that bath stuff." Tuck shook his head. "That kind of thing can trigger an asthma attack that'll put me in the hospital, and that's something *you should have known.*"

The other figure said, "Tuck."

Tuck stopped and took a breath. "Okay, after that you kept putting me in little girl's clothing. The conclusion I reached was that you were training me to be a pedophile's playmate and if I tried to escape from the house you'd kill me and bury my body in the woods. I also figured that I couldn't trust any food you or Marie had access to. 'Fool me once, shame on you; fool me twice, shame on me.'"

Jane tried to say something and shook her head.

"It really wasn't that way? That's where the available evidence led me." Tuck put a hand on the towel. "I'm going to let you talk now. Be convincing, or I'll cut your throat *below* your larynx so you can't even scream as you bleed out."

The woman at the foot of the bed said, "Aww, that's the best part."
Re: Seasons #15 is up [message #6811] Sat, 30 April 2011 22:41 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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I was thinking more along the lines of the burning goat head. but replace burning goats head with kiddy porn. But that might just make Jane stay away from her computer worse than usual. be better if tuck could just slip something into her newspaper.

This is '97 era internet. the FBI hadn't really caught on to the internet yet.
Re: Seasons #15 is up [message #6812] Mon, 02 May 2011 04:48 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Doragoon wrote on Sat, 30 April 2011 19:41

I was thinking more along the lines of the burning goat head. but replace burning goats head with kiddy porn. But that might just make Jane stay away from her computer worse than usual. be better if tuck could just slip something into her newspaper.

This is '97 era internet. the FBI hadn't really caught on to the internet yet.


They (or rather various local prosecutors) had caught on to BBSes a dozen years before. Look up the Amateur Action BBS case. A California BBS whose operators were tried in *Tennessee* for violating local community standards.
Re: Seasons #15 is up [message #6813] Mon, 02 May 2011 13:05 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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But as Mike would be forced to say...
"But that wouldn't be FUNNY."

_I_ kind of like Jane waking up and finding:

1) large speakers playing Reveille or another selection at Painful volume.

2) a best-of-2008 Superbowl advert showed a guy waking up in his bed, finding his hands covered with grease, and then discovering the 'nose' of a Rolls Royce under the covers (a la "The Godfather"). Jane has a Lincoln.

3) a 1x1x1 foot metal box, painted dark, with a red light on it. And motion detectors inside; when she moves too much when awakening, it:
a) begins beeping and flashing the light, both increasing in pitch and tempo. Anyone who's watched video in the last forty years knows what this has got to be...
b) begins shouting in an excited voice "I'm a thirty second bomb! I'm a thirty second bomb! Twenty-nine! Twenty-eight!" (more literary)
And in either case, it's so trite it's likely a fake, but with Valerie in the house, do you REEEEEAAAAALLLLYY want to bet your life on your estimation of how angry she is and how easily she could get explosives?

4) a Polaroid - or for the expensive, a printed version of a digital photograph - of Jane, with crosshairs drawn centering over the 'sweet spot' of eyebrow-nose-eyebrow.

Of course, all of these would expose Art-as-Diana, though Jane may think she's got a more urgent problem to deal with.

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Re: Seasons #15 is up [message #6817] Tue, 03 May 2011 09:08 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Okay, so Valerie is going to help with the housecleaning? If she has access to the appropriate parts suppliers I can see her coming up with a couple of prototype Roombas, one per residential floor.
Re: Seasons #15 is up [message #6818] Tue, 03 May 2011 16:30 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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If tuck was gunna do that, I would imagine that he would have done in in the original story. Tuck seems to think vacuming is too easy of a chore to be taken away. Why loose out on the money by inventing a robot to do it for free?

Plus, the roomba took a surprising number of design iterations to get right. I'm still surprised that it's better to just wander randomly than to try to remember what the room looks like. Plus there's the problem of the stairs.

I also wonder how much cleaning Jane is going to make Val do, once she realises that it doesn't bother Tuck. If anything, Jane will be pressing Val into useless symbolic cleaning that will bug Tuck for all the wrong reasons. That's going to be the thing that will take tuck the longest to get used to. The idea of doing something for appearance seems alien to tuck. Tuck does nothing symbolicly. Even his oaths require blood, because blood is real.

Music is the closest he comes to a symbolic action, but I don't think he's fully realised that yet. Can anyone think of any other symbolic acts tuck embraces?
Re: Seasons #15 is up [message #6819] Tue, 03 May 2011 21:50 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Doragoon wrote on Tue, 03 May 2011 17:30

Music is the closest he comes to a symbolic action, but I don't think he's fully realised that yet. Can anyone think of any other symbolic acts tuck embraces?


Uhhh... programming? Math? Can't get more symbolic than that.


Don't call me Shirley. You will surely make me surly.
Re: Seasons #15 is up [message #6820] Wed, 04 May 2011 02:43 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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programming?

not to tuck. I refer you to 15:40 29 Aug. As tuck complains that games are stupid, he said that he can actually do things. Tuck obviously thinks of programming as actually doing something.

As opposed to putting on a prissy dress and pretending to clean.

Re: Seasons #15 is up [message #6823] Fri, 06 May 2011 06:12 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Ellen Hayes wrote on Mon, 02 May 2011 10:05

But as Mike would be forced to say...
"But that wouldn't be FUNNY."

_I_ kind of like Jane waking up and finding:

1) large speakers playing Reveille or another selection at Painful volume.

2) a best-of-2008 Superbowl advert showed a guy waking up in his bed, finding his hands covered with grease, and then discovering the 'nose' of a Rolls Royce under the covers (a la "The Godfather"). Jane has a Lincoln.

3) a 1x1x1 foot metal box, painted dark, with a red light on it. And motion detectors inside; when she moves too much when awakening, it:
a) begins beeping and flashing the light, both increasing in pitch and tempo. Anyone who's watched video in the last forty years knows what this has got to be...
b) begins shouting in an excited voice "I'm a thirty second bomb! I'm a thirty second bomb! Twenty-nine! Twenty-eight!" (more literary)
And in either case, it's so trite it's likely a fake, but with Valerie in the house, do you REEEEEAAAAALLLLYY want to bet your life on your estimation of how angry she is and how easily she could get explosives?


Get? Heck, I'm willing to bet there's more than enough stuff to *make* explosives around Jane's place.

Hmmm. There's a thought. Have a stump or rock well away from the house that needs to be removed. And Jane decides that digging it out would be appropriate punishment for something Val did (I can't think of something, but you probably can). Or else Jane is muttering about the expense opf removal and Val offers to help.

Either way, Jane foolishly say something like "I don't care, I just want it gone, but don't get any dirtier than you have to..."

Next thing we know, Tuck has blown it up (safely, but convincing Jane of that could be difficult)

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4) a Polaroid - or for the expensive, a printed version of a digital photograph - of Jane, with crosshairs drawn centering over the 'sweet spot' of eyebrow-nose-eyebrow.


Heck, just use makeup to *draw* the crosshairs on Jane. Sort of like the old assassin trick of leaving a knife with a note on the pillow you were sleeping on.

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Of course, all of these would expose Art-as-Diana, though Jane may think she's got a more urgent problem to deal with.


Unless Tuck goes "exploring" under the covers, it shouldn't expose Art. Oh wait. Wig... Doh!
Re: Seasons #15 is up [message #6827] Sat, 07 May 2011 12:18 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Doragoon wrote on Tue, 03 May 2011 21:30

Tuck seems to think vacuming is too easy of a chore to be taken away. Why loose out on the money by inventing a robot to do it for free?

You're not really a geek, if you have to ask this question.

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Re: Seasons #15 is up [message #6828] Sat, 07 May 2011 12:25 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Brooke wrote on Fri, 06 May 2011 11:12

Hmmm. There's a thought. Have a stump or rock well away from the house that needs to be removed. And Jane decides that digging it out would be appropriate punishment for something Val did (I can't think of something, but you probably can). Or else Jane is muttering about the expense opf removal and Val offers to help.

Either way, Jane foolishly say something like "I don't care, I just want it gone, but don't get any dirtier than you have to..."

*laughs and laughs and laughs*

But I can't see ANYONE being stupid enough to SAY that around adolescent males... and even digging (what Jane expects) seems too unfeminine for Jane to allow.

*sighs wistfully* But, oh, I wish you hadn't brought this up...
Re: Seasons #15 is up [message #6831] Sun, 08 May 2011 03:55 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Ellen Hayes wrote on Sat, 07 May 2011 09:25

Brooke wrote on Fri, 06 May 2011 11:12

Hmmm. There's a thought. Have a stump or rock well away from the house that needs to be removed. And Jane decides that digging it out would be appropriate punishment for something Val did (I can't think of something, but you probably can). Or else Jane is muttering about the expense opf removal and Val offers to help.

Either way, Jane foolishly say something like "I don't care, I just want it gone, but don't get any dirtier than you have to..."

*laughs and laughs and laughs*

But I can't see ANYONE being stupid enough to SAY that around adolescent males... and even digging (what Jane expects) seems too unfeminine for Jane to allow.

*sighs wistfully* But, oh, I wish you hadn't brought this up...



Well, I could see Jane trying the digging as punishment for something *really* unfeminine (more as a lets show you that being masculine is *really* bad). Alas, even that is out of character.

Hmm. Maybe it's the handyman around the place who is dumb enough to ask for help (rhetorically) in Valerie's hearing.
Re: Seasons #15 is up [message #6833] Sun, 08 May 2011 16:02 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Brooke wrote on Sun, 08 May 2011 08:55

Ellen Hayes wrote on Sat, 07 May 2011 09:25

Brooke wrote on Fri, 06 May 2011 11:12

Hmmm. There's a thought. Have a stump or rock well away from the house that needs to be removed. And Jane decides that digging it out would be appropriate punishment for something Val did (I can't think of something, but you probably can). Or else Jane is muttering about the expense opf removal and Val offers to help.

Either way, Jane foolishly say something like "I don't care, I just want it gone, but don't get any dirtier than you have to..."

*laughs and laughs and laughs*

But I can't see ANYONE being stupid enough to SAY that around adolescent males... and even digging (what Jane expects) seems too unfeminine for Jane to allow.

*sighs wistfully* But, oh, I wish you hadn't brought this up...



Well, I could see Jane trying the digging as punishment for something *really* unfeminine (more as a lets show you that being masculine is *really* bad). Alas, even that is out of character.


Jane would pick something even more feminine. Actually babysitting might be a surprise for Jane - how much babysitting has Val done in this timeline?

Brooke wrote on Sun, 08 May 2011 08:55

Hmm. Maybe it's the handyman around the place who is dumb enough to ask for help (rhetorically) in Valerie's hearing.



That I could see, Val being the helpful sort she is. In fact Val doing this could lead to Jane to pick a really feminine punishment. Val's skills with both explosives and babies would really confuse Jane.

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Re: Seasons #15 is up [message #6835] Sun, 08 May 2011 21:48 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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JenC wrote on Sun, 08 May 2011 13:02



Jane would pick something even more feminine. Actually babysitting might be a surprise for Jane - how much babysitting has Val done in this timeline?




The history from the main storyine did not diverge until the Summer. So, from the main storyline, Tuck babysat for one night in chapter 17, then the babysitting job from hell, the 10 kids with Debbie in chapter 20. Then, the Spring break for the Parkers and their cousins, Chapter 21.


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Re: Seasons #15 is up [message #6836] Sun, 08 May 2011 23:09 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Brandonyoung wrote on Sun, 08 May 2011 21:48

JenC wrote on Sun, 08 May 2011 13:02



Jane would pick something even more feminine. Actually babysitting might be a surprise for Jane - how much babysitting has Val done in this timeline?




The history from the main storyine did not diverge until the Summer. So, from the main storyline, Tuck babysat for one night in chapter 17, then the babysitting job from hell, the 10 kids with Debbie in chapter 20. Then, the Spring break for the Parkers and their cousins, Chapter 21.



plus the time he and mike tried to do it before Deb. But that didn't go very well.
Re: Seasons #15 is up [message #6837] Sun, 15 May 2011 19:49 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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rav asked:
The Alice pack Kenneth mentions seeing in this chapter; I wonder if that was part of Tuck's initial luggage or the backpack from the breakout box? I ask this because Marie found locks on his initial luggage and in ch 10 Pauline notices locks on the backpack from the breakout box. I have a medium sized Alice pack and cannot see how conventional luggage locks would help to secure it since it closes with buckles and straps, not zippers.


Tuck got the alice pack at the surplus place when he escaped.

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Re: Seasons #15 is up [message #6838] Mon, 16 May 2011 14:06 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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LoneWolf wrote on Mon, 16 May 2011 00:49

Tuck got the alice pack at the surplus place when he escaped.

Nope! He got a canvas satchel and a canvas rucksack/backpack at the surplus shop. ALICE packs are nylon.
As for locks on the ALICE, it takes some modifications, but Da Boyz enjoy doing that, as do many gearheads. It may not be mere luggage locks either. Note, though, that it would only be considered (by Tuck) to be 'nuisance' level security; it's always possible to cut the fabric and thus totally bypass the lock(s).

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Will Jane begin to see that Tuck might not be who she thinks she is? Was there not another Eugene on the same train ? I seem to remember that from somewhere, but not the particulars.
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