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The Tucker House [message #1629] Fri, 23 January 2004 03:18 Go to next message
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i'm trying to get a good picture in my head of what the tucker house looks like, how big it is, how many rooms, and a general layout. and i'm sure everyone has a slightly differant veiw of what the floor plan is, i think it would be good to get a floorplan hammered out, then when we agree, ellen can come in and tell us all how wronge we are. (i also think this is might help get our minds off tuck's concusion)

so, what do we know?

each child has thier own room. that's 3 bedrooms pluss a master.

there are two... or are there three... bathrooms. one upstairs, one down, one in the basment that could just be a shower... pluss i wonder if the parrents have thier own.

the basment is very large, with multiple rooms. they went down there durring the party and no one noticed the camping equipment or anything.

the three children's rooms are upstairs. with one of the bathrooms.

the kitchen is large and well equiped. the dining room is also very large. large enough to fit the... 14 or so people they have over at a time.

the garage fits two cars, right?


my personal opinion is that as you enter, the den/living room is right infront of you, and the dinning room is on your left. the kitchen would then be on the back left. then there's the main halway on your right. i'm not sure from there except that tuck's room is probably not next to brian's. though i have no clue how they are oriented.

so, anyone else care to take a stab at this? we'll all probably be very wronge, but it will be fun in the mean time. and maybe some of the more gifted people could draw out a floor plan and put it up somewhere for us to look at.
Re: The Tucker House [message #1630] Fri, 23 January 2004 07:47 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Grat idea, Doragoon. I've always felt Ellen had blueprints for the Tucker residence somewhere in her apartment

To business. The washing machine, kitchen sink, and all 3 bathrooms will be situated adjacent to a single imaginary vertical line. A retaining wall fits the bill for this line. If the upstairs consits mainly of the spawn bedrooms and bathrooms, then the parents' bathroom, offices, and the master bedroom will be on the ground floor underneath the spawn rooms. Residences are divided into a quiet half for the bedrooms and a noisy half for the work and play areas. Vaulted ceilings over the living and dining rooms, mayhaps?

The stairs leading down will direct traffic towards the public area of the basement which would most certainly be underneath the living and dining rooms. The laundry room and basement bathroom will serve as a buffer between the public and private areas of the basement. Almost all visitors will not even be aware of the 500 square feet or so they haven't haven't been shown. The private areas will be under the bedrooms in the quiet half of the house. My challenge for our European freinds will be to guess an approximate size for this house Razz

PS Doragoon: Only a 2 car garage? Razz
Re: The Tucker House [message #1631] Fri, 23 January 2004 16:15 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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yes, only two becouse tuck's car is always been left outside. i guess it could be 2 cars and a pile of junk, but after the painting incident, i would think they would mention clearing it out and moving tuck's car in. heck, it might only be a one car... i think they talk about bill leaving his car outside sometimes.
Re: The Tucker House [message #1632] Fri, 23 January 2004 21:53 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Mike, I seem to recall that Tuck has been concerned that he or one of his guest would run into his mom on the way to or from the bathroom to his room. So I suspect that the parents bedroom is upstairs as well.

As to "Vaulted ceilings over the living and dining rooms", lets say that in my part of the midwest I do not see many. I suspect that the house does not have them.
Re: The Tucker House [message #1633] Sat, 24 January 2004 08:44 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Maynard wrote on Fri, 23 January 2004 20:53

Mike, I seem to recall that Tuck has been concerned that he or one of his guest would run into his mom on the way to or from the bathroom to his room. So I suspect that the parents bedroom is upstairs as well.

As to "Vaulted ceilings over the living and dining rooms", lets say that in my part of the midwest I do not see many. I suspect that the house does not have them.

It really depends on how old the house is. Many contemporary homes built in the 1960s and later could have vaulted ceilings for the public spaces.

Some homes, too, have open floor plans with, say, the living room and dining rooms open to each other so that one can expand into the other when necessary.

For some reason, I envision the Tuck home as a split level, where each 'floor' is only a half flight up or down from the next. There might even be a fourth level below(or rather lower than and adjacent to) the 'basement' (in some parts of the country referred to as the 'cellar'.) The lower part of the basement would be less noticed and more secure (and securable) for some of the more covert things the Tuckers have.

I think that the house has a two-car garage. I get the feeling that it is detached, though. Unless the house is a lot newer, a three car garage would be unusual for even an upper middle class home.

BTW, if you start adding up all the rooms and their apparent sizes, this house must be in the 3000-4500 square foot size (275~420 m^2). That's a pretty good sized house, fairly large even by American standards.

This would give additional credence for the home being a split level, as they are less expensive to build.

Any architects out there? =)


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Re: The Tucker House [message #1637] Sat, 24 January 2004 19:15 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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A few extra points:

- It has been mentioned that there is a vertical "drop shaft" from the attic throughout the house, ending in the basement. Tuck used it recently, on chapter 101. By the way, the attic seems to be pretty low -- Tuck mentions having to "snake" through it. Also, both Tuck and Brian (at least) have trapdoor/spiderholes from their rooms (in Tuck's case, inside the closet) into the attic. This sounds like a modification, probably one of Bill's paranoid ideas -- a "regular" attic, the kind which is almost tall enough to stand up inside, would have a larger entrance through a common area, and its floor would be sturdy enough to store heavy stuff, which would make it harder to riddle it with trapdoors.

- Apparently there is some sort of home office in the main floor, where Bill has his computer stuff and where he tutors Sabrina.

- We don't know anything about the garage (size, if it's attached to the house or not) except that it exists. There's exactly one mention to the garage in all the saga, and it's in chapter 72.

- Since it has been pointed out that the living room, dining room and kitchen are fairly large -- and adding to that the home office, bathroom (probably a small one, just toilet and sink) and the area taken by the two staircases (one going up, the other down) I tend to think there is enough footprint area to fit the three spawn bedrooms, one common bath and a master bedroom with attached bath above it all.

- Also it would mean a big basement, big enough to leave a good-sized family room after splitting off a laundry room and storage area. Big enough for dancing, at least.

- About the split-level thing... I don't think so. On chapter 101 we learn that Brian's window is located above the porch roof, which seems to indicate a regular two-story construction.



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Re: The Tucker House [message #1638] Sun, 25 January 2004 04:11 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Sir Lee wrote on Sat, 24 January 2004 19:15

- Apparently there is some sort of home office in the main floor, where Bill has his computer stuff and where he tutors Sabrina.

I thought he tutored her in the Dining room... At least hje did in the latest chapter.
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- Since it has been pointed out that the living room, dining room and kitchen are fairly large -- and adding to that the home office, bathroom (probably a small one, just toilet and sink) and the area taken by the two staircases (one going up, the other down) I tend to think there is enough footprint area to fit the three spawn bedrooms, one common bath and a master bedroom with attached bath above it all.

I agree. And while the Kitchen is obviously closed off from the rest of the house, I think the dining room and living room is one large space seperated with columns that are structural as well as decorative.
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- Also it would mean a big basement, big enough to leave a good-sized family room after splitting off a laundry room and storage area. Big enough for dancing, at least.

I don't envision the basement as being quite so large because I tend to think that part of that space is used up by a two car garage.
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- About the split-level thing... I don't think so. On chapter 101 we learn that Brian's window is located above the porch roof, which seems to indicate a regular two-story construction.

Yeah, definately not split-level. I tend to think of the house as being mission style.
Re: The Tucker House [message #1639] Sun, 25 January 2004 04:58 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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i'm impressed at the many differant veiws people have had.

ok, just a few things i've thought of while reading.

the kitchen must have doors to close it off from the den, mike knocked on it to make sure it was ok to come in when jill was having her freak out.

and bill's office must be located between the front door and the stairs. i tend to think that the office is next to the door... and i see it with big double doors. i think tuck described them in one of the early chapters. really imposing, natural wood finish or something like that.

and if brian's room overlooks the porch, tuck's room can't be next to it becouse tuck's room has a window to the side, tuck jumps out of it a couple times and goes right to the ground... i think he mentions that it was to the side of the house.

i'm also thinking that tuck's room would be adjacent to his sister's in order to bug it without going in it or running cables anywhere in the open. and there us still a bug in place on his sister's phone, so it can't be radio becouse it would probably be too big, and would need bateries unless it was plugged in... i guess tuck MIGHT have done that... but he wouldn't have left it turned on and broadcasting all those years. eh... i don't know, anyone else know about this kinda thing?

i don't remember sarah ever fighting the kids to use thier bathroom, so, i assume they have thier own shower. that's two upstairs baths. i don't know how they could be on the same line either becouse their room is at the end of the hall while the kid's bath is in the middle of the hall.

so, can anyone draw up a simple plan? or am i going to have to embaras myself by drawing something? i think putting up something we can all see and say, "THAT thing there isn't right!" to, might help a lot.
Re: The Tucker House [message #1641] Sun, 25 January 2004 09:22 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Doragoon wrote on Sun, 25 January 2004 07:58



i'm also thinking that tuck's room would be adjacent to his sister's in order to bug it without going in it or running cables anywhere in the open. and there us still a bug in place on his sister's phone, so it can't be radio becouse it would probably be too big, and would need bateries unless it was plugged in... i guess tuck MIGHT have done that... but he wouldn't have left it turned on and broadcasting all those years. eh... i don't know, anyone else know about this kinda thing?


If running wires was neccessary, Tuck would probably run them through the attic. It COULD go unnoticed there for a long time (it seems he's the only one which goes up there semi-regularly), especially if he took pains to disguise them. In a house with so much wiring as the Tuckers' (at least four phone lines, cable TV -- they have Comedy Central, remember? -- broadband Internet access at a time when it was FAR from common, and it would probably need its own dedicated wiring, -- I don't think DSL or cable-modem access were easily available back in 1996 -- its own house computer network, probably some sorte of fire-and-burglar alarm...) it wouldn't be too hard to hide a couple extra pairs of wire among all that.

Even if it were wireless, the phone bug wouldn't really need batteries; if it were low-power enough (and for short-range, you don't need much power), it could draw power from the phone line itself.

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i don't remember sarah ever fighting the kids to use thier bathroom, so, i assume they have thier own shower. that's two upstairs baths. i don't know how they could be on the same line either becouse their room is at the end of the hall while the kid's bath is in the middle of the hall.


Well, it is POSSIBLE that both baths are adjacent; it depends on the exact layout of the house. If you enter the bedroom and have to "double back" to get into the bathroom, it could be close enough.

(By the way, I seem to remember that the main bathroom door is "just about" across the hall from Tuck's bedroom. Can anybody confirm? If so, this is an important hint to the second-story layout)

But building both batrooms close together is not really indispensable, only cheaper to build and maintain. Depending on the layout constraints, the original architect (I don't think the Tuckers built, they probably bought the house and adapted it to their needs) might have gone for two hydraulic columns instead of one.

Which brings me to another point: how well are the Tuckers financially? They live in a big, nice house (probably mortgaged, of course) with a LOT of "toys" (Tuck alone has a minimum of four computers, maybe more), Bill has his own business, (one which needs quite an initial investment in hardware and which, considering his stuborness and independent mindset, was NOT built using venture capital), Susan is in college, they don't mind (very much) having up to TWENTY people for dinner just about weekly...

On the other hand, they don't just hand out money to their children (apparently they don't have allowances, but they are paid for household chores), and expensive gifts don't came easily either (remember that Tuck's synth was his _only_ Christmas present, because everybody chipped in). But this could be just their approach to teaching values to their kids.

I would say "doing well, but not in the lap of luxury either." They probably are deep in hock to the banks (both with the house mortgage and business loans), but Sarah's earnings are helping to pay that off. Maybe she pays the house mortgage, Bill pays his own business loans, and whatever money is left is spent in ordinary living.


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Re: The Tucker House [message #1642] Sun, 25 January 2004 11:07 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Sabrina is tutored in the Dining Room because both Bill's office and Sarah's office will be off-limits to visitors

The bugs in Susan's room will be wire based bugs. A broadcast system, regardless of how low the power is, would eventually have been detected by Bill's hardware

The Tuckers residence will have at least 2 DSL connections. DSL lines were standard for ISP's in the mid90's. Bill's core business is ISP. Having an off-site backup server with it's own Internet access and a LAN connection to the main server in the downtown business office would be a standard precaution. They also have a separate email server. I count 11 computers in the Tucker residence. Valerie's 4 (min), 1 each for the other 4 (min), the 2 previously mentioned, and 1 micro tower to keep tabs on them all

Are the Tuckers well off finincially? I'll say yes. If the 'rents went to work for Uncle Sam for 20 years after University, they would have gotten a nice little severance package: big enough to cover either the house or the ISP startup costs. Also, their computers must make them the favorite customer of their Electric Company. The parental units are self employed, therefore medical insurance must be soaking off a portion of disposable income. Plus, they always have cash on hand.

2 bathrooms upstairs side by side is doable. In the first house I lived in here in the 'Peg, we were living in a 1 story ranch with 2.5 bathrooms: 1 bathroom in the subterrannean basement, 1 bathroom on the main floor next to the kitchen, and a sink and toilet affair en suite with the master bedroom. This house was also constructed in the 1960's.

I don't envision the basement as being quite so large because I tend to think that part of that space is used up by a two car garage. Mailtor

Sorry, Mailtor. Basements here on the Great Plains are big enough to live in. Back in the day, they provided shelter from adverse weather and a more stable environment temperature wise for food storage. Nowadays they are just so dang handy. The square footage of our basements equals the square footage of the main floor of the house. I presume the same is true for other portions of the MidWest? Also garages out here are above ground
Re: The Tucker House [message #1644] Sun, 25 January 2004 15:57 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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While I don't have anything to add to the house discussion, really, other than to note it sounds awfully big compared to what you would find out where I am, I do have something to add to the income discussion. The Tuckers can afford a lot of expensive camping gear and other goodies, as well. I really think that everybody pitching in on the synth was either an idea from before the view of the family really solidifed, or a case of the family having rules on how much you can spend on the holidays. I think it's possible that the Tuckers only got really comfortable a few years ago, so a lot of frugal habits have held on. (Dad, in particular, seems to have an odd mix of generosity & stinginess.) But money seems to flow a little too easily for me to see large piles of debt, since the Tuckers seem to be the types who would hate to owe anybody money. (Tuck & Mike have a max 1 loan limit with each other, and I think that attitude would follow from a similar attitude with the parents.
Re: The Tucker House [message #1645] Sun, 25 January 2004 17:18 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Thoughts about the Tuckers' phones and house net.

In '90-'96 I worked in the telecommunications data center of a major telcom user and xDSL was not an option or we would have used it for our regional lines. But I think I have something that fits the Tuckers' need just about to a tee, and Bill would love the toys that came with, ISDN PRI.

IDSN PRI is based on frame-relay which in turn is based on T1. IDSN PRI has 24 channels, 23 bearer channels (voice/data) and one signaling channel each channel is 64Kbps for a total of 1536Kbps.

So how does this fit the Tuckers...

Phone #s - House, Bill, Sarah, Kids (3), Fax for 7 numbers. Each number represents one B channel, leaving 16, for 1024Kbps or 1Mbit of bandwidth for the houses' computer network. With Multi-Link protocal for dynamic allocation of the B channels based on bandwidth. A nerd/geek/techie dream come true for home telcom at the time, cheaper than seperate phone and data lines and you have lots of toys to connect and configure.

ISDN also allows you to config which #s go to which phones/faxes and provides for line roll over. ISDN PRI is/was normaly used for PBX connections to small/med busines, Bill would have TOTAL control over access, so locking down Tucks' telecom would be a snap.

From 101 - Tuck Your Lumps line 517:
COMPLETE fucking lockdown on outside communications! Then they got the

Caller ID comes standard with ISDN, also if more phones/faxes are needed channels can easily be shifted around.

BTW at that time here in California ISDN PRI lines started at about 400$/month + usage.

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Re: The Tucker House [message #1799] Sat, 24 April 2004 01:05 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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I thought I'd show what I thought the house looked like, but apparently the forum software doesnt like me... next time...

[Updated on: Sat, 24 April 2004 01:10]


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Re: The Tucker House [message #1800] Sat, 24 April 2004 03:00 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Email a pic to me, hon. I'll put it up where it can be seen. The forum software is being a turd about uploading pictures.

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Re: The Tucker House [message #1801] Sun, 25 April 2004 13:25 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Natalie Cross wrote on Sat, 24 April 2004 00:05

I thought I'd show what I thought the house looked like, but apparently the forum software doesnt like me... next time...


I would love to see it also. . . I play the Sims game and you have the ability to build a house I just might try that. . . and see if my view is much diffrent from yours. . . .


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Re: The Tucker House [message #1949] Sat, 05 June 2004 00:11 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Putting myself in Bill's place, I feel that all of the bedrooms rooms would have access to the "spiderholes" for emergencies. Hidden passages fits in well with the idea of the Tucker's "Castle".

I also feel that the Tuckers would have a major back up emergency power system for the computers, security, etc. Most likely in the garage or a corner of the basement.

Since the Tucker family seems to have a healthy paranoia quotient, aside from the "armory" I have a distinct feeling that there is probably another stash of "things that really go BOOM! in the night"- and other "nasty things" one would have no desire to tangle with; most likely in another hidden safe room known only to the immediate family. (& possibly Mike?)
These thoughts are based on a few of the Seals & Green Berets I have known.(Big Boom -GOOD!-- Bigger Boom--MORE BETTER!!)

It was mentioned that Bill was in 'Nam-- if I remember right?

Too, I feel that one area of the basement, or the garage would have a nicely equipped electronics R&D area, and possibly even a small machine shop.

I look forward to someone actually making up the "3D" drawings of the house. They might even be great to include in the book when Ellen is able to get it published.

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Re: The Tucker House [message #2088] Fri, 13 August 2004 15:16 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Well here are my 2 cents on the matter of the Tucker house. From my view point (and Ellen can tell me if I am full of sh**) is that for the Tucker family the house is relative new.(5-6 years old) If I remember right Both Tuck and his sister have bunk beds that are get put back together when Amy comes for the summer. Tuck even mentions that his is made out of 4x4’s when he hits them with the baseball bat. That makes them sound homemade (i.e. the family didn’t have much money at the time) and most likely him and Brian use to share a room. His sisters were problem made for when Amy came to visit them at the ‘old’ house. * All this is pure conjecture on my part*

The Drop shaft that Tuck uses to go from attic to basement and back is most likely a converted laundry chute. It would not be too hard to extend one to the attic and cover over the second floor opening. Some chutes get fairly large I have seen one that was big enough to for a full grown adult go down with out felling squeezed (about 2.5 feet square and while that may not sound large your avg. hallway is only 3 feet wide).

Now as for how well off are the Tuckers. I would have to say the Bill’s Company is doing very well indeed. (but mainly in the last few years) His company installed the school’s network and did some training, and as large as McAllen sounds that would be a pretty large contract back in 1997. Bill also hired Amy and Mike for graveyard tech support. A company that has 24 hour tech help is likely pretty large. I mean if graveyard staff was just two jr. tech (Mike and Amy) two sr. techs and 1 sr. tech/manager and day/swing shift was twice that and avg wage was $8/hr including payroll taxes you are look at about $8000 a week almost half a million a year in payroll just for tech support. Tuck also mentions a couple of time that he need to do well in school in order to become is own boss like his dad so he cane show up to work any time of day that he feel like. You wouldn’t be able to do that if the company was on the small side as the owner would also be sr. manger. Bill’s role with the company looks to me to be more CEO/CTO type. But being the tech geek that Bill is he also likes to get in and get his ‘hands dirty’ doing the Doom network setup for field day ect


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Re: The Tucker House [message #2089] Fri, 13 August 2004 18:00 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Jackfrost wrote on Fri, 13 August 2004 12:16

From my view point...for the Tucker family the house is relative[ly] new.(5-6 years old) If I remember right both Tuck and his sister have bunk beds that get put back together when Amy comes for the summer.


I don't believe that Susan has bunk beds; in fact, as I recall, Amy first claimed that she was moving into Tuck's room because Tuck's bed was larger than Susan's, which would imply that neither of the two had a bunk bed set up. (Tuck reinstalled his when the Laniers visited and Tuck, Amy and Susan had to share a room. I wonder how many visitors ended up with Brian in his room, and whether the Laniers would be as cool about male and female siblings in the same room as the Tucker family is.)

My guess is that either the Tuckers designed the house themselves or, more likely, it's been around for a while. I know virtually nothing about housing trends in the Midwest, but an attic with multiple accesses (from what we know, there ought to be at least four, not counting the basement) and a no-longer-used laundry chute (if that indeed is what the basement access represents, which makes sense since a deliberately designed system would include an emergency exit, or direct access to the front door, and we know this one doesn't) doesn't sound to me like something built recently in a housing tract.

If it is a comparatively old house, it's safe to assume that there was a previous owner, since the Tuckers have only been in town for about 15 years. (At least, that's what Occam's Razor tells us; there are plenty of possible reasons why Tuck could have been born in upstate New York while the family was living in the Cincinnati area, but none, I think, with much probability.)

Supporting your suggestion that this wasn't the Tuckers' first home in the area, it's certainly true that the Tuckers wouldn't have needed four bedrooms until Brian was old enough to want his own. (Also, remember that Tuck had to take the fifth amendment at elementary school once it came out that he and Susan were sharing a bed, so the Tuckers might not even have had three bedrooms.) But I'd run the time scale since that hypothetical move for at least a little longer, otherwise it would have been Tuck and Brian sharing the bed in the smaller house. And I'm guessing that bunk beds with a frame as bulky as Tuck's didn't get built until after the move. If they'd been there in the old bedroom I think Susan would have had a bed of her own. So I'd go for eight to eleven years that they've been living at their current address, with the larger total more likely. (The advantage to eleven years is that Brian would have been about two then and could still have been in a crib.) If Bill and Sarah had decided that they were going to be living at the new place at least until the kids grew up and moved out, they'd probably have wanted to plan ahead and get the fourth bedroom even if Brian wouldn't be ready for it for some time.

Jackfrost wrote on Fri, 13 August 2004 12:16

That makes [the bunk beds] sound homemade (i.e. the family didn't have much money at the time)

That seems to me to be a dangerous inference. Bill probably would have gone for a homemade (or custom-made) bed so that he could get what he wanted. And we know that the key factor for his going into business for himself was to be his own boss (set his own hours, not have to wear a tie to work, etc.). I don't know of any reason to think he wasn't making good money at his previous job.

FWIW, I don't think Freehold has nearly as many employees as you conjectured. The night they got hacked, if they'd had technicians available beyond the one who was running the ISP that night, they wouldn't have needed Tuck and Bill to step in. I'm guessing that Bill considered Mike's expertise (and his previous experience with Freehold) sufficient for the night shift even if Amy's wasn't, at least during the summer vacation period that they were working. I don't think they'd have had a regular problem-solver working all night in addition to the two of them, though they might have moved one over or promoted a part-timer to full time (or run through all the vacation time, freeing an employee or two) when Mike and Amy got "downsized".

(I know -- piling conjectures on top of each other often leads me to dubious conclusions, especially if I have a fact or two wrong at the bottom of the pile. I'm sure someone will let me know if I've blown it here.)

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Re: The Tucker House [message #2090] Fri, 13 August 2004 21:00 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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I think the Tuck & Susan sharing a bed thing was nightmare related, not lack of space. I could be wrong.

I have the impression that the house was very recently expanded, possibly even overlaping with the saga, just not occuring 'onscreen'. There's a scene or two fairly early on where Tuck is waiting in line for the bathroom, rather than going to use a different one. (How many do they have, anyway? I want to say three- one upstairs, one downstairs, and at least a shower in the basement.) The only reasons I can think for Tuck waiting is Tuck forgetting in a half-asleep state that they now have more than one, or that all the others are out of service or don't yet exist. It could just be a temporary problem that wasn't mentioned, to be fair.

I think I've said before that I suspect the family only recently got comfortably well off- most things point to them being quite well off right now, but they also have an occasional frugal edge that makes me think this may be a fairly new situation.

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OtherEric wrote on Fri, 13 August 2004 18:00
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How many [bathrooms] do they have, anyway? I want to say three- one upstairs, one downstairs, and at least a shower in the basement.


I'm pretty sure that's all that have appeared in the narrative, though I'm not sure what to make of the bath(s) on the main floor. It seems to me (without looking it up) that there have been people who've used it in the general course of things, which would suggest that it's accessible from the common rooms there (living room, TV room (if that's different), dining room). And I think Tuck actually did come down and use it one time when the one on his floor was occupied, though more often, as you noted, he'll wait in line or in his room when that happens.

But if the main floor bathroom's that publicly accessible, it'd be hard to believe that Tuck's parents would have to head out that way to take a shower or shave/apply makeup or whatever; there ought to be a bathroom connected to the master bedroom as well, though (since Tuck stays out of his parents' room unless invited, or coerced into being there) there's never been reason for the narrative to mention it. (It could, I suppose, be a second door to the one bathroom; I've been in at least one house that did that after a remodel.)

Tuck led Valerie Faciszewski to the upstairs bathroom when privacy was desirable, but I guess that doesn't really say anything about the accessibility of the one on the main floor.
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Eric wrote on Fri, 13 August 2004 15:00

I don't know of any reason to think he wasn't making good money at his previous job.


You make some valid points and it was all pure conjecture on my part. But, I never claimed that he wasn't making good money on his last job. Starting a business is not a cheap undertaking especially an ISP/Computer Consulting one like Freehold (which has some pretty large start-up costs in terms of hardware) most likely in the early days every spare penny was reinvested in the company in new equipment and the like. It would be during the start up of Freehold that money would be tight.
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Just found this on the subject of number of bathrooms in the Tucker house.

From chapter 91 Little Tucklings

18:02 13 Sep

<snip>
I explained, "Upstairs is a bathroom, everything else is locked up; on the main floor we have a stereo in front, refreshments in back, and another bathroom, and in the basement we have light video and couches. And a third bathroom."

<snip>


Most likely the main floor bathroom is a half bath/powder room, meaning toilet and sink only. This is often the case so that visitors do not have to go up stairs to the private part of the house.

The basement bath could be toilet, sink, and stall shower. Basement bathrooms are nice in that if you are really dirty you can get cleaned up by entering the house thru the basement instead of going through the nicer parts of the house and tracking mud all over the clean carpet and pissing off your mom.

There is most likely a master bath also making the Tucker house a 4bed/3.5 bath, which is common for larger sized suburban house.


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Jackfrost wrote on Sat, 14 August 2004 00:08

Just found this on the subject of number of bathrooms in the Tucker house.

From chapter 91 Little Tucklings

18:02 13 Sep

<snip>
I explained, "Upstairs is a bathroom, everything else is locked up; on the main floor we have a stereo in front, refreshments in back, and another bathroom, and in the basement we have light video and couches. And a third bathroom."

<snip>


Most likely the main floor bathroom is a half bath/powder room, meaning toilet and sink only. This is often the case so that visitors do not have to go up stairs to the private part of the house.

The basement bath could be toilet, sink, and stall shower. Basement bathrooms are nice in that if you are really dirty you can get cleaned up by entering the house thru the basement instead of going through the nicer parts of the house and tracking mud all over the clean carpet and pissing off your mom.

There is most likely a master bath also making the Tucker house a 4bed/3.5 bath, which is common for larger sized suburban house.



I agree with the bath arrangement. . . and have all the rooms pretty well straight in my head but one question I have yet to answer is where are the stairs located for access to the basement ?


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Vicki wrote on Sat, 14 August 2004 09:56

I agree with the bath arrangement. . . and have all the rooms pretty well straight in my head but one question I have yet to answer is where are the stairs located for access to the basement ?



Most common is to have stairways stacked one on top of the other; this minimizes the floor space used on non living area and simplifies construction.

chapter 91 Little Tuckings

21:53 13 Sep

"Yeah," Cory said as we sat down on the stairs - me higher so wecould be eye to eye - to rest and drink and have some pizza.
"I mean,when we first got here, I thought it was going to be boring..."
"Sorry," I apologized.
"No, it's alright," she said, and looked at the front door, or so it seemed, as she sipped at her drink.



So the top of the basement stairs are visible from the front door and little bit later in the chapter Tuck takes Val the younger upstairs as George and Paul and Matt come out of the living room, so most likely both the basement and second floor stairs are off the foyer from the front door. There wasn't anything I could find real quick that mentions if the stairs have a landing or not but this is also common as it further compacts the stairs into a vertical shaft.


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Jackfrost wrote on Sat, 14 August 2004 21:52

Vicki wrote on Sat, 14 August 2004 09:56

I agree with the bath arrangement. . . and have all the rooms pretty well straight in my head but one question I have yet to answer is where are the stairs located for access to the basement ?



Most common is to have stairways stacked one on top of the other; this minimizes the floor space used on non living area and simplifies construction.

chapter 91 Little Tuckings

21:53 13 Sep

"Yeah," Cory said as we sat down on the stairs - me higher so wecould be eye to eye - to rest and drink and have some pizza.
"I mean,when we first got here, I thought it was going to be boring..."
"Sorry," I apologized.
"No, it's alright," she said, and looked at the front door, or so it seemed, as she sipped at her drink.



So the top of the basement stairs are visible from the front door and little bit later in the chapter Tuck takes Val the younger upstairs as George and Paul and Matt come out of the living room, so most likely both the basement and second floor stairs are off the foyer from the front door. There wasn't anything I could find real quick that mentions if the stairs have a landing or not but this is also common as it further compacts the stairs into a vertical shaft.




so if that is so access to the basement is directly below the stairs to the upper floor. . . if that were so there wouuld have to be some kind of landing possibly with a rail that goes across the length of the living area on the first floor supported by the massive columns. . .


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Vicki wrote on Sun, 15 August 2004 18:33

so if that is so access to the basement is directly below the stairs to the upper floor. . . if that were so there wouuld have to be some kind of landing possibly with a rail that goes across the length of the living area on the first floor supported by the massive columns. . .




Well I dug through some of my plan books and some house design sites online and found the most common way that the top of the basement stairs would have a line of site to the front door was an L arrangement. How this fits in with the rest of the description of the house I couldn't say but here is an example of what I am talking about.

http://www.architecturaldesigns.com/house-plan-4078db.asp

Also you will notice that the upper floor is smaller than the ground floor, this is also very common and gives a roof to climb out on too from the bedrooms as described in a couple of the chapters.


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i kinda like it, but i don't think tuck's house has that high ceiling thingy in the entryway...

other than that, once i mentaly walkthrough it for a while, it fits pretty well.

would the father's office be on the left or on the right as you enter the house? i can't seem to figure out what all the differant rooms are, there seems to be one too many, and i'm not sure how to wr draw it to get rid of it.

i really wish ellen would just help us out with this. it would help a LOT. she's said she has a drawing of the house already, too bad she couldn't just send it, or post it on her website or something... it's not like it would give anything away to people who hadn't finished reading it yet.

and i wonder if ellen put as much thought into the design of this house as some people seem to be putting into it.
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Doragoon wrote on Sun, 15 August 2004 21:54

i kinda like it, but i don't think tuck's house has that high ceiling thingy in the entryway...

other than that, once i mentaly walkthrough it for a while, it fits pretty well.

would the father's office be on the left or on the right as you enter the house? i can't seem to figure out what all the differant rooms are, there seems to be one too many, and i'm not sure how to wr draw it to get rid of it.



Well I linked to that one cause it was the first one online that I found that had a stairway were you could see the front door from the top of the basement stairs. The ground floor is totally wrong for the Tucker house, I think, because; I don't remember mention of either a separate living room and family room or a breakfast nook.

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and i wonder if ellen put as much thought into the design of this house as some people seem to be putting into it.


Hehe Wink Well one of my former majors was Architecture so I thought I could give a hand to those less experienced with home design. But it does seem to be a weird thing to be obsessing over, but I am weird that way.

The things we do to pass time till Ellen gives us the next chapter.


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Question for the TuckerFen: Do the Tuckers have a panic room?

Question for Mr. Frost: Would a panic room change the architecture of the house?
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Mike the Younger wrote on Tue, 17 August 2004 17:34

Question for Mr. Frost: Would a panic room change the architecture of the house?


For the Tucker house most likely not because the basement would be the easiest place to build a panic room, you have the thick concrete walls already there to use to your advantage. The drop shaft would make getting to the room easy from the second floor.

I doubt that the Tucker would have such a room though because from my view they tend to be proactive and like to keep their options open. A panic room is an option ender because once you are in there you only have two options, stay till the threat leaves or exit the room and face the threat. This leaves out Tucks favorite option: strike fast (if at all), then run like hell.


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Doragoon wrote on Sun, 15 August 2004 21:54

i really wish ellen would just help us out with this. it would help a LOT. she's said she has a drawing of the house already, too bad she couldn't just send it, or post it on her website or something...and i wonder if ellen put as much thought into the design of this house as some people seem to be putting into it.


I think she'd prefer to keep her options open -- after all, it wasn't for 100 chapters or so that she "revealed" the attic entryways from the bedroom ceilings and the chute from the attic to the basement.

I'm drawn to the conclusion that Ellen feels a need to provide at least some physical movement (or its equivalent, in an RPG scenario) in just about every episode in order to avoid bogging down into a static talking-heads situation, and she probably decided at that time that Tuck had done enough jumping from second floors for a while. (Besides, he'd probably have successfully escaped had he tried that.) Still, reconfiguring the house that way seven years into the story annoyed the heck out of me. I'll admit, though, that so far I haven't found any earlier situation where using the attic-to-basement escape route would have been the logical solution to anything. (I'm not so sure that leaving via Brian's or Susan's room when they were unoccupied wouldn't have done Tuck some good on a few occasions -- even assuming that the passage was too dank or dusty to use as Valerie.)

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As I said before, I like Jackfrost's idea of a converted laundry chute for the dropshaft. But I'm not sure how well that works given Tuck's climbing back up from the basement into Brian's closet:

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I wanted to get the stuff out of my lockers, but I had no time at all, so I went back up the dropshaft instead, snaked through the attic, dropped down the spiderhole in Brians room, and came out of his closet.
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Eric wrote on Wed, 18 August 2004 05:40

As I said before, I like Jackfrost's idea of a converted laundry chute for the dropshaft. But I'm not sure how well that works given Tuck's climbing back up from the basement into Brian's closet:


Well, in order to work at all, a laundry chute has to have the following features:
- It has to be vertical or fairly close to that, so the clothes will slide down well;
- It has to be fairly smooth in the inside, in order for the clothes not to get caught or ripped;
- It has to be fairly wide, in order not to be clogged when you push the larger pieces of linen down it; a chute wide enough for a (non-obese) person to climb through is not outside the realms of believability, as has been pointed out.
- It has to have the lower end fairly close to the laundry -- in this case, in the basement;
- It has to have openings wherever it might be expected to be needed -- in this case, the uper floor (bedrooms and bath-- towels are pretty bulky). A secondary opening in the main floor might be convenient, but the kitchen/living-room does not generate nearly as much laundry.

Now... maybe there was originally a closet above the upper end ofthe chute. That would be fairly easy to convert into an extension, taking the chute all the way up the attic. There would be a need for ladder steps fixed to the chute wall, but that's not very hard to do. The only remaining question is if the drop shaft has openings in the main and upper floor at all (maybe disguised as closet doors, or even wood paneling). Even if it does open into the upper floor, Tuck might have opted for the longer route (climbing up into the attic, and then down through the spiderhole into Brian's bedroom) in order to avoid being seen in the upper floor hallway.

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Re: The Tucker House [message #2128] Tue, 24 August 2004 05:13 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Looks as though I was wrong about the parents' bedroom being on a different level than the kids'. From the interrogation scene:
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*** 21:44 3 Oct
...Upstairs, our room, Dad ordered...DO you know whats going on? he asked. I had to nod. Then, wed better get upstairs. I want to hear this.
*** 21:48 3 Oct
Wed been delayed a bit, as Dad decided to put Stella to bed in Susans room temporarily...
*** 22:38 3 Oct
...[Dad] pointed towards their bathroom. I got up, but went to the kids bathroom instead, since I didnt want to be around them any more than I had to at this point.


I think we can safely infer here that the parents' bedroom is adjacent to, or at least very near, Susan's. Bill's the one cool head here, and he wouldn't endanger Stella by leaving her anywhere that wasn't directly accessible to them.

That said, besides wondering how members of the family could stay relatively sane in such close proximity to each other, I'm surprised that Tuck hasn't shown any concern that one of his parents might leave their room at an inopportune time for him, since apparently everyone has to use the same corridor and stairway to go anywhere.

Anyway, we finally confirm here that the master bedroom has an attached bath, not that anyone seems to have had much doubt. (And since during Tuck's last party the entire upper floor except for the kids' bathroom was locked down, the parents' bath wouldn't have been accessible that night, which explains why Tuck didn't mention it in the quote Vicki noted earlier.)

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Doragoon wrote on Sun, 25 January 2004 01:58



i'm also thinking that tuck's room would be adjacent to his sister's in order to bug it without going in it or running cables anywhere in the open. and there us still a bug in place on his sister's phone, so it can't be radio becouse it would probably be too big, and would need bateries unless it was plugged in... i guess tuck MIGHT have done that... but he wouldn't have left it turned on and broadcasting all those years. eh... i don't know, anyone else know about this kinda thing?



Given that Tuck's dad is a geek and that they've got all those phone lines, plus (at a guess) network cabling, etc), I can just about guarantee that every room has at least one 4-pair cat-5 cable running to it if not more. Heck the *standards* since the late 80s recommend *two* such cables just for telephone.

Each cable can carry one ethernet connection or 4 phone lines. All Tuck would have had to do to tap his sisters phone is check in her rpoom to see which wire pair her phone was on (they are color coded with white-blue/blue-white being line one, and so on thru a list I can dig up if anybody cares)

Then he could go into his room and connect to that pair. *if* there was no signal on that pair, all he'd have to do is go to the wiring closest (probably oin the basement) and bridge that pair from the cable to her room to the cable to his room. Easy enough to hide unless someone is looking for it.

In any case, regardless of how the phones are wired, Tuck doesn't need access to her room to tap the phone. Just acess to the phone cable *somewhere*.

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For what it's worth, Sarah mentioned in chapter #58 that the family lived in the East at the time Susan was born:
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"When we lived back east, before you were born even. When I had Susan."

Possibly even when Tuck was born. So this puts an upper limit on how long have they lived in this house.

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To bring back from limbo this OOOOLD thread:

Net Sprite wrote on Sun, 25 January 2004 20:18

In '90-'96 I worked in the telecommunications data center of a major telcom user and xDSL was not an option or we would have used it for our regional lines. But I think I have something that fits the Tuckers' need just about to a tee, and Bill would love the toys that came with, ISDN PRI.

IDSN PRI is based on frame-relay which in turn is based on T1. IDSN PRI has 24 channels, 23 bearer channels (voice/data) and one signaling channel each channel is 64Kbps for a total of 1536Kbps.


I actually found an Ellen-originated quote about the setup on the Tuckers' house:

From the first public draft of "Tucky Season", part 18

"But, I don't use Netscape," Doug protested.
"You should," Tucker said confidently. "Unless you want to use
Opera. That's really the best, but they don't pass it out free." The
download, he noted, was progressing as fast as could be expected over a
phone line. *Man, I miss our T-1 at home.*




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It seems to me that the most probable arrangement of the upstairs rooms is Brian and the 'rents on one side of a hallway, Susan and Tuck on the other side of the hall way. On Tuck and Susan's side of the hall something has shortened Tuck's room. Possibly some of the 'hidden' architecture. On the 'rent's & Brian's side is the upstairs bathroom. This is a full bath and does not seem to have an entrance from the master bedroom which has a *suspected* en-suite.

I'm guessing that even though it was done frugally that this was a purpose built home. Maybe Bill and Sarah bought a mostly unfinished shell in order to get in on the cheap but some of the things like the escape hatches seem to lead to the idea that Bill did them after the house was his.

That may mean that he had the design in mind and had it built with a laundry chute that he converted but in all with his level of paranoia I have a feeling that he did as much of the work as was feasible himself rather than let someone else do it and suspect what his plan was.

I would say there is no panic room but plenty of quick access from any point in the house to the basement armory and probably lots of ways to leave the basement so as to be able to engage hostile forces while not pinned down.

I suspect the garage is 2.5 cars and the .5 is given over to a fairly well equipped workshop. Somewhere on the main floor Bill must have an electronic workshop. Though this could be in the basement adjacent to the armory. Still the house must have a fairly substantial foot print. perhaps as much as 1800 square feet per floor with vertically stacked floors.

Externally the Tuckers have gone for the bland look with even a bit of neglect thrown in (not new paint) The house looks small to Jody but she only sees it from the front. It could be deeper than she suspects.
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Tuck actually has an attic access way in his room as well as hidden doors
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Hidden doors? I don't see them or rather read about them. He has access to the attic from his closet. Somewhere in the house is a vertical shaft that runs from the attic to the basement. It may be adjecent to Tuck's closet but then why not have an opening directly into the shaft rather than having to go up to the attic and then back down. There may be more than one vertical shaft from the basement to the attic BTW but that is not absolutely proven. The existence of one shaft however is positively discussed at least twice in the story.
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Me, I wonder what safety measures Bill has had installed or done himself in case of an invasion. that includes hidden doors, chutes, ladders as well as sniper holes and such
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More than we probably would ever learn about. Their deep storage shows quite a bit of forethought, maybe not an entire consideration of some scenarios but still a lot of planning and execution.

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Why any movie where a bad ass was to try to get in would make for fun reading. Think Terminator, Alien, Predator. you get the idea. Me I believe that Bill would make an excellent Punisher
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stanman wrote on Fri, 10 August 2012 14:34

Why any movie where a bad ass was to try to get in would make for fun reading. Think Terminator, Alien, Predator. you get the idea. Me I believe that Bill would make an excellent Punisher


I don't know all of (and none of us do) the Tucker setup but I read {and lost track of the story) a story on SOL that featured a better setup all around. I think that in most cases Bill intends to abandon the house and carry a specific survival and combat load. I think he sees a short to medium term threat Scenario where he and the family will basically go to ground in the wilderness and then return once the chaos is over.

This is one scenario that I think may be over optimistic. I wonder if he has a bolt hole where he thinks it would be possible to do a long term survival (think years) mission.

If I'm reading the signs of the times correctly we're in for a time when a place like the Tucker house (even with everyone armed and willing to shoot) will be a prime target. That is until all the caches like Bill's are eaten up and everyone wonders why they are starving since there are no more 'rich people'.
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