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Tuck 142 [message #6176] Fri, 27 February 2009 20:33 Go to next message
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Check the tuckerspawn thread, where Ellen posted the announcement. Smile

How did Tuck end up "alone" (with Susan and Amy) with a house full?

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Re: Tuck 142 [message #6180] Sat, 28 February 2009 00:01 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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How did Tuck end up with Amy and Susan? Lucky I'd say
Re: Tuck 142 [message #6181] Sat, 28 February 2009 02:48 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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With Tuck, Brian, Susan, Sarah, Bill, Grandma, Amy, Trish, Cynthia, Marion, Alicia, Alicia's baby, Derek, Barbara, Barbara's husband, Shelley, Ashley, Jessica, and Cynthia's husband, that's at least 19 people in the house, plus any other husbands that showed up. Maybe Ellen should post that family tree just so we can try to wrap our brains around it.

And what's up with Amy and Christmas?

Amy and Christmas [message #6182] Sat, 28 February 2009 06:52 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Remember that the Tuckers were planning to go camping in the snow somewhere in New York during the winter break. (Reported on 24 Jul 08:56.) It's logical, that being the case, that the family Christmas is happening back east this year -- otherwise they'd camp closer to home.

(Tuck didn't actually say that Christmas was at the Tucker home this year, only that the pharmaceuticals currently in the basement would be helpful.)

Which means, very possibly, that Christmas is taking place at Amy's on Long Island this year -- and that means SHE gets the brunt of all that preparation that the five Tuckers were handling this time around.

On the other hand, there's probably not enough room for the family, with only Amy and Aunt Trish living there. (If Amy had siblings at home or Trish were living with someone, we'd know about it by now.) On the gripping hand, Trish runs an Italian restaurant -- reported 27 Jun 13:40 -- and the family celebration -- food and gifts -- could probably take place in relative comfort there.

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Re: Amy and Christmas [message #6183] Mon, 02 March 2009 20:17 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Eric wrote on Sat, 28 February 2009 03:52

Remember that the Tuckers were planning to go camping in the snow somewhere in New York during the winter break. (Reported on 24 Jul 08:56.) It's logical, that being the case, that the family Christmas is happening back east this year -- otherwise they'd camp closer to home.


Yeah, the implication was that they did the same thing last year, remember Tuck was giving Debbie her present early.

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Which means, very possibly, that Christmas is taking place at Amy's on Long Island this year -- and that means SHE gets the brunt of all that preparation that the five Tuckers were handling this time around.


No, there's something deeper to it than that. I can see Amy gasping in horror at the thought, but not running from the room in tears.


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Re: Amy and Christmas [message #6184] Thu, 05 March 2009 06:52 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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You're right. I hadn't remembered the extent of her reaction when I wrote that.

The thing is, it has to be something Tuck already knows about, or HE'D have been wondering about Amy's reaction. That'd seem to eliminate anything along the lines of late-December surgery on Amy or her mother stemming from the recent family testing.

Only thing I can think of (other than that unexplained phone call from Trish to Sarah the week Tuck was unconscious in the hospital) is that there's some very traumatic event for Amy in connection with the holiday, relating to her father or possibly a much older half-sibling -- like an assault or molestation -- sometime in the past by someone who'll be present this December. (Maybe for the first time since he got out of prison?) I don't like that idea much; this family doesn't seem like one that'd take someone like that back into acceptance, and we've had more sexual trauma in female characters' pasts (Lisa, Debbie, Susan, Ellen, possibly Kim) than I think one would expect from the current cast without adding Amy to the list. But it's a possibility.

(Now that we know that Trish and Sarah's father was from the state of New York and had an Italian surname, I suppose there's a possibility of underworld activity fitting in here somehow, but I'd hate to see Ellen go that route.)

You're probably right about Christmas having taken place in New York last year, but not necessarily about Tuck camping back there. At a party (as Valerie, with Travis) on March 14, Tuck tells us:
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I was talking about the last time I was ever going camping in my life. I had a lot of excellent reasons, which I was explaining one by one. They were kind of funny if it wasn't you that had gone through them last summer.
That would strongly suggest that if there WAS an annual December camping trip, Tuck wasn't on it this past winter.

Then again, we don't learn about the annual December trip until July 24, and from the discussion at that time, the trips seem a lot more mandatory than Ellen thought they were back in March. Even in these later references, the discussions about equipment and past trips center on improvements from last summer, not last winter. (And when Tuck talks to the kids about camping in the snow during December after the August trip, he doesn't say that he did so in 1996.)

One thing we know: The Tuckers couldn't have camped for as much as a week last December if Tuck were with them, since he gave Debbie her present on the 18th, got the synthesizer as a gift on the 25th, and phoned Lisa (whether from New York or home) the evening of the 27th before meeting Debbie at the mall on January 3.

Eric
Re: Tuck 142 [message #6185] Fri, 06 March 2009 19:49 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Could have happened in early December*late November if the annual T day get together was elsewhere and the Tuckers went there then camped on way back.
Re: Tuck 142 [message #6186] Sat, 07 March 2009 21:19 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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stanman wrote on Fri, 06 March 2009 16:49

Could have happened in early December*late November if the annual T day get together was elsewhere and the Tuckers went there then camped on way back.


Read Chapter 6. Thanksgiving 1996 is 11/28, and after dinner Tuck invites Amy into his room -- not just a room that he's staying in, but one that "had become a lot cleaner since [he] started dating Debbie". If that's not enough, Debbie, Rachel and Tuck get together for lunch on Saturday 11/30, and Cousin Derek and "the rest of the guys" are at the Tucker house when he gets back from lunch.

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Re: Tuck 142 [message #6187] Tue, 10 March 2009 22:18 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Then the trip happened in the first two weeks, but if so, Tuck missed school unless there were several snowdays where schools were closed or at least his.
Re: Tuck 142 [message #6188] Wed, 11 March 2009 04:20 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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(1) Then it wouldn't be an "annual December camping trip", would it. Besides, before mid-October it wouldn't be snowing, and there's no story time for it after that.

(2) Don't forget the way Principal Nickerson handled long absences. Tuck's 1996-97 school year probably wouldn't have proceeded as normally as it did if he'd been held out of more than a week of school by his parents.

No, I think Ellen's going to have to work around either Tuck's or the whole family's non-participation in December camping last year. Tuck DID say in March that the last time he was camping was last summer.

Eric
Re: Tuck 142 [message #6189] Fri, 13 March 2009 18:51 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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How does the explanation gven here impact the Mystistery Of The Deceased Grandmother (I hope that T. Campbell hasn't trademarked the word 'mystistery', but anyway) from #27. Val had once told Travis (#7, 18:40 13 Dec) that her grandfather had married four times, but it was at a point where it wasn't clear if she was feeding him disinformation. Was the dying grandmother one of Grandpa Boselli's other wives? I know from personal experience that just because a grandparent isn't a blood relative doesn't mean you couldn't be as close to them as one who was (hell, possibly closer, depending), and while it doesn't sound as if Grandpa Boselli stayed married long enough to any of his later (or earlier?) wives for the grandchildren to get to know them that well, that isn't necessarily the case.

(For that matter, it is not necessarily the case the grandpa Boselli is Tuck's blood relative; I don't think it's ever been said specifically that Sarah and Cynthia [EDIT: Erk, I mean Trish - unless Grandma MacAuley isn't Sarah's mother, as she lives with Cynthia] are full sisters, and while that is the economical hypothesis at this point, it isn't necessarily the case. But that's a digression at this stage, especially since it sounds unlikely that Sarah would put up with a step-parent who was cheating on her mother nearly so glibly as she would if he's her own father.)

If the grandmother who was dying (and presumably is now deceased) was one of Sarah and Trish's step-mothers, it would close that particular inconsistently quite well.

That's hardly the only possible answer, of course. It may be that Grandma MacAuley had had some life-threatening disease or accident that she was hospitalized for, which she miraculously recovered from (though that doesn't really fit with the way Susan talked about it). It may be that Bill had an eleventh hour reconciliation with his own mother when he learned she was dying. Or it could be that the 'grandmother' in question was someone they simply called 'grandma' without any actual family relationship (much like with the Laniers). Or it could be just some sort of slip-up Susan's part - because we know it couldn't have been one on Ellen's part, right?

(I just had a strange thought. IIUC, it is usually easier to adopt a relative. If Tuck/Val wanted to adopt a child at some time in the future, perhaps the simplest solution would be to track down one of Mr. Boselli's illegitimate children or grandchildren who is in need of a parent and adopt him or her on a familial claim. That's really going away from the topic, however.)

[Updated on: Sat, 14 March 2009 13:48]

Re: Tuck 142 [message #6190] Fri, 13 March 2009 19:29 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Keep in mind that neither Susan nor Sarah went on the annual summer camping trip this year, and it was stated that, because of this, they would be going on the winter trip instead. My impression is that the rule is, you are required to go on one of the trips each year, but it's your choice which, and you can go on both if you are masochistic enough.

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Grandmas and Progeny [message #6191] Tue, 17 March 2009 05:56 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Schol-R-LEA wrote on Fri, 13 March 2009 15:51

Was the dying grandmother one of Grandpa Boselli's other wives?

Presumably. As you point out, there are other, remoter possibilities but it doesn't seem necessary to invoke them. (Like you, I don't think Susan would describe that life-support situation the way she did if that grandmother had made a miraculous recovery, and now that we know Grandpa Boselli had multiple wives we can eliminate Lanier relatives, escapees from Bill's past and the like.)

I'm pretty sure Trish and Sarah are full sisters. (Amy and Val seem to have a family resemblance.) Though we can't set a sequence there without knowing whether Trish raised a previous family, after Barbara was introduced, I thought the logical inference was Cynthia as the oldest (from Grandma MacAuley), Sarah and then Trish (mother uncertain to us), and Barbara, the youngest (from the late grandma). Barbara's deviation from family tradition on food issues, along with her having at least the second-youngest child (Jessica) -- I'm assuming Tuck wasn't including Alicia's baby -- suggested to me that she was the latest of the four Boselli sibs.

If there is a Grandma NOTA (no relation to Uncle Whatever!) who shows up at Christmas in New York in place of Grandma MacAuley -- hereafter, G-Mac -- who, as we heard, is feuding with Grandpa Boselli, then NOTA would be the one on hormone replacement. (I wonder if this NOTA is #4, still married to Grandpa? If the Tuckers only see her in New York, that'd explain why Mike has never met her.)

BTW, on one hand it's tempting to guess, given G-Mac's assertiveness when it comes to food preparation (and Trish, the pro, not responding in kind), that she and Boselli used to run the Long Island restaurant and Trish took it over when they retired. That's possible, but we should note that Tuck was born in upstate New York, so if the extended family was concentrated in one area back then, it probably wasn't on or near Long Island.

It's even more challenging to try and sort out the progeny. (We don't even know for sure that we've seen them all; I have this weird feeling that Ellen's going to sneak a preteen boy into the mix next chapter as Jessica's older brother.)

Anyway, we know:

Alicia, presumably the oldest, has a baby. Alicia probably isn't living with her mother and may have come in with the baby on her own. She's more likely to be on Barbara's or Trish's side of the family than Cynthia's. We don't know whether she's married to the baby's father, or whether the father is present.

Marion is Cynthia's daughter and in college. She came in from New Mexico with Cynthia and G-Mac. I get a vague impression from Tuck that she started college before Susan did, though not more than a year before.

Susan Tucker is about 20 and in from college by herself.

Derek is older than Tuck and younger than Susan -- perhaps 18 and a senior in high school. He didn't come in with Cynthia and Marion, but we don't know whether that's because he's on Barbara's side of the family or because Cynthia's husband and other family members came in separately from the first wave after school let out. He's probably Shelley's brother (or half-brother) since we've seen her attack him with no personal cause, and since Marion was the one who responded it's tempting to assume the three are linked.

Eugene Tucker is 16 and a junior in high school.

Amy, Trish's daughter, is 15 and in high school on Long Island -- very possibly Roosevelt High, since that's where Val claimed to be from back on Halloween '96 -- unless something changed recently that Tuck hasn't told us and/or Amy hasn't told Tuck. She has a dog at home, but no siblings there and probably no step-parent.

Brian Tucker is 14 and in the eighth grade at an unnamed junior high school. (I've called it Central in an unfinished fanfic, since it seems to feed both McAllen and Red Bluff, based on Debbie and Lisa having been there together.)

Shelley is 11 or 12 ("about a decade" older than Stella Parker) and probably Derek's sister or half-sister. A series of inferences, if true, would put her on Marion's and Cynthia's side of the family.

Jessica is "Aunt Barbara's latest and currently the second youngest", which could put her anywhere from 7 to 11. I'm guessing she's near the high end, since she followed the Tuck-Susan-Amy conversation well enough to ask Tuck what he did last weekend. It means, at any rate, that she has at least one older sibling -- Alicia may be the most likely, despite the decade-plus age difference.

That'd make Ashley the youngest. We can't say with certainty that Ashley and Shelley shouldn't be reversed, except that doing so would make Ashley close to 13 -- since Jessica's between Shelley and Ashley in age, and Shelley's at least 11 -- and all we've heard from Ashley is a bratty and whiny "Tucker's making Amy cry" claim. (Why "MOMMMMM!" would care, if she's not Sarah or Trish, seems unclear, but I really hate to give up Amy's only-child-at-home status by making Ashley Trish's daughter, since it seemed important to Amy's story that her dog Sparky was the only one at home for her, both during the summer and after Amy returned to Long Island for school.)

Anyway, we know that the youngest child isn't Barbara's, so assuming Ashley is youngest, that'd put her under Cynthia (or Cynthia's husband) -- which may be cause to move Derek and Shelley over to Barbara's side of things even though that separates them from Marion.

Anyway, that's the view from here.

Eric
Re: Tuck 142 [message #6192] Tue, 17 March 2009 20:45 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Unfortunately Amy may have an older brother in jail for atempted incest
Re: Tuck 142 [message #6193] Wed, 18 March 2009 04:11 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Possible, though I don't know if she'd have been so willing to share a bed and even shower with Tuck (last summer and this weekend) if that were the case. True, they were both horrified when anyone wondered if something sexual was happening, and yes, Amy may well have felt she had control of the situation there. But I don't see her taking the chance.

(Also, as I think I mentioned earlier, the incest theory only works as the explanation of Amy's concern with the coming Christmas if the family is (1) planning to reconcile with the offender this holiday season and (2) not living with him in the meantime. Also, I believe most states wouldn't parole a sex offender (18 or older) to the same county as the victim, even if that means splitting a family.)

It may be (barely) relevant that Amy made a comment (May 28) about not dating college kids because they wanted to get "too serious too quickly", leaving Tuck and Mike wondering if she was speaking from experience.

Anyway, my list above was of people at the Tucker house that weekend. Tuck has told us there are other extended family members not present this weekend because they're with their fathers, and it's possible that there are adult children with their own families from the aunts' previous marriages who no longer consider themselves part of this scene. If there are in fact any relatives in prison, they wouldn't be on my list.

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Re: Tuck 142 [message #6195] Mon, 23 March 2009 11:41 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Amy's reaction to Tuck's remembrance of Christmas:

Could be just a hormonal thing <flinch>, she appears to be fine 35 minutes later when she asks Tuck if he wants to shower with her when they get up in the morning. Also, Tuck doesn't seem too concerned with Amy's reaction and imho I am sure he would have been if it had been a serious matter (remember Valerie's first period). Could have been an excuse to get out of washing dishes, though I doubt it.

I'm sure Ellen has a plan for it.

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Re: Tuck 142 [message #6196] Mon, 23 March 2009 19:36 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Yeah, I'll bet Ellen has a plan.
A twisted, evil plan.
That's why we love her.
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Re: Tuck 142 [message #6199] Wed, 25 March 2009 21:41 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Valerie's first period. I thought that Tuck did not have a menstrual cycle. Besides, where would it go?
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That was the other Valerie's (Valerie Fasciewicz, or "Little Valerie") first period.


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Re: Tuck 142 [message #6203] Thu, 26 March 2009 20:01 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Although there are also indications that Tuck has a cycle ....

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Re: Tuck 142 [message #6210] Sat, 04 April 2009 21:37 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Wait, wait, wait. What?

When I read it I didn't think it was anything more than the sheer horror of having to host this years Christmas (especially after what she's just seen) This chapter is mostly more lighthearted (despite Tuck's omnicidal urges).

And she was a little drugged up right?

I don't think it's going to be that significant.

But if Amy gets a sadder backstory I'm blaming you. =P

Amy! wrote on Fri, 27 March 2009 00:01

Although there are also indications that Tuck has a cycle ....

Amy!


I remember reading that all men have a hormonal cycle too... just less intense I guess?

And less blood.

[Updated on: Sat, 04 April 2009 21:43]

Re: Tuck 142 [message #6221] Thu, 16 April 2009 20:10 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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No, men do NOT have cycles like women do. We Do have build up of testosterone that needs release through several means though.
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stanman wrote on Thu, 16 April 2009 17:10

No, men do NOT have cycles like women do. We Do have build up of testosterone that needs release through several means though.


Actually, there's research that suggests that men *do* have cycles. Just not as obvious as women's.
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Brooke wrote on Fri, 17 April 2009 05:54

stanman wrote on Thu, 16 April 2009 17:10

No, men do NOT have cycles like women do. We Do have build up of testosterone that needs release through several means though.


Actually, there's research that suggests that men *do* have cycles. Just not as obvious as women's.


And pretty close to none of the above is relevant to Eugene Wallace Tucker, remember? Genetic chimera. If there's an ovary, then there's likely to be recurring changes within it; it's programmed that way. Or, in other words, periodic hormonal fluctuations.

Amy!
Re: Tuck 142 [message #6225] Wed, 22 April 2009 11:27 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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LuLou wrote on Sat, 28 February 2009 01:48

And what's up with Amy and Christmas?


Sounds like it's a wild and crazy time in New York? There's a reference in the draft version of Tucky Seasons to "Christmas in New York" so I'm assuming within context that it means there are all kinds of people the Tuckers barely know coming and going and making a mess for Amy and her family to clean up...

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Re: Tuck 142 [message #6232] Thu, 23 April 2009 19:28 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Perhaps Amy will run away to the Tuckers 4 X-mas then.
Re: Tuck 142 [message #6243] Sun, 26 April 2009 08:09 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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stanman wrote on Thu, 23 April 2009 16:28

Perhaps Amy will run away to the Tuckers 4 X-mas then.

The Tuckers will be in New York for Christmas, unless something totally unexpected happens.

I suppose she could opt to join them on their pre-Christmas camping trip upstate and then fake getting eaten by wolves or something so that she didn't have to return home.

Or she could head out to Tuckburg in the family's absence, fail to get past the family's home security, and contact the only other person in town that she has information for: Travis Jensen.

But no, I don't think Amy's really looking for an escape, nor that either of my lame scenarios would amount to a serious answer if she were.

Eric

[Updated on: Sun, 26 April 2009 08:22]

Re: Tuck 142 [message #6244] Mon, 27 April 2009 19:07 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Re calling Travis: you're assuming she survives not getting past the house security. Razz

Necro-edit: She has contact info for at least two other people: Debbie's pager, and (at minimum) email for Mike.

[Updated on: Sat, 12 December 2009 10:32]

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stanman wrote on Wed, 25 March 2009 18:41

Valerie's first period. I thought that Tuck did not have a menstrual cycle. Besides, where would it go?


Not Tu/Val But one of the Freshthing littles. IDRC whose 'little sister, Valerie F. is supposed to be but this is the first period that is being discussed (I think...) by the anonymous poster.
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Wonder if Ellen will have it happen to Tuck/Val to force the issue and cause a major shift in saga
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