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Ok, this one amounts to a largely new story, unlike the first two. One thing that struck me was the fact that Jane appears to be going after the fact that Tuck does not like to be touched unawares. We know all too well from the main story that Tuck has damn good reasons for hair-trigger reflexes. Jane would be dead wrong in trying to drive them out of Tuck. It also seems like Jane's program is failing to work on Tuck to a far greater degree than in the original story, and that's saying something. It seems like the biggest obstacles to Tuck assuming total control of the situation right now are caused by Tuck's own paranoia and how Tuck would do things- the phones and the drugged food are either unintentional or in the past, but Tuck seems to viewing them as the major problems.
Interestingly, at one point in this chapter, Jane refers to Tuck as "Miss Wallace". Tuck is still a little disoriented, but if that pops up again, I wonder if Tuck is going to catch on to the screw-up earlier than the end of the story. If Tuck does, I suspect Tuck would choose to play things out rather that relocate for the rest of the summer. It should be interesting to see how things play out. We know the destination- the story still needs to lead in to the Bikini Beach story and T^2, unless Ellen is planning to seriously mess with us (far from impossible); but I no longer have any confidance that I have the slightest clue as to the route.
And it's awfully nice to have a mostly new, mostly fun Tuck story. As much as I want the current cliffhanger resolved, a counterbalance to the mood of the recent main story chapters is a welcome relief.
Re: Part03 [message #1771] Wed, 07 April 2004 20:40 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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I'm losing something here. There's obviously some sort of initiation involved with Tom and the manure pile -- Charlene notes that she went through it when she was new there. But I can't see how making Tuck's arm numb is supposed to accomplish this. (Nor why Jane would direct Charlie, who's there because of a propensity for violence and anger, to make an aggressive move toward Tuck when that sort of thing is what she's trying to get out of Charlie's system. Nor why Jane, who's used to working with violent kids, wouldn't anticipate that somebody new would (1) fight back and (2) probably be successful against a feminized "older sister".)

Anyone have an explanation?

Eric
Re: Part03 [message #1773] Wed, 07 April 2004 23:51 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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The initiation is the naming ceremony with Tom- the fact it occured near the manure pile is coincidental. Almost all of Jane's students balk at that, and the grip was shown to be used when Tuck tried to avoid the meeting with Tom. Tuck, of course, was so far away from the typical student that Tuck moved forward to introduce Tuck's self on Tuck's own inititive, and Charlene proceded with an utterly inappropriate and unnecessary action. (Charlene still believes that Jane is omniscient, and assumes that it is needed.) It was intended as a controlling move, not exactly as an agressive one; and Tom would be there as referee if it proved necessary.
At least, that's my take on it.
Re: Part03 [message #1774] Thu, 08 April 2004 01:17 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Another thing to keep in mind is that Charlene was supposed to apply light pressure on that nerve bundle initially and only build it up if Tuck balked during the naming ceremony with Tom. At least that's my take on the purpose that grip after reading a later Seasons tale, "Jessica's Story". From Tucks description of the pain and subsequent numbness, Charlene definately overacted by immediately using her strongest grip on him.
Re: Part03 [message #1775] Fri, 09 April 2004 04:50 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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You have read the other season stories... becouse if you haven't you will NOT get the same out of it. infact, you've probably already missed out on a lot of it. *sigh* people never listen to ellen's directions...
Re: Part03 [message #1776] Fri, 09 April 2004 14:42 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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I don't know if I agree that this is a "largely new story" as OtherEric has put it. Most of the new stuff Ellen has inserted is just added detail, doesn't contradict anything from the previous version. A few details, like the telephone being still out, seem to serve just to stretch out the "incommunicado" period (before Tuck is able to contact Mike) in order to fit more details in.

Now, the bigger issue:
The manure scene. It didn't happen that way in the old version (no fight, no manure etc) but Tuck DID introduce himself as Valerie. I'm guessing Ellen wanted to give a better logic as how was Tuck able to "jump the gun" and introduce himself before Charlene could "name" him. Being covered in horse manure can be very distracting. However, I don't think it will have any significant impact on the future storyline; if anything, it should help end the hostility between Tuck and Charlene. Tuck now feels sincerely guilty about it, and won't taunt Charlene anymore. Also, he worried about saving CHARLENE'S hide from Jane -- first by hosing her, and later by taking all the blame, no excuses, no pointing fingers. This should help bring Charlene closer to trusting Tuck.
Of course, Tuck/Val will get a lot of punishment for it. This should take him a peg down, from "almost able to take control of the situation."

If anything, the biggest deviation I see looming is... Sandy's flu. The only purpose I see on that, narrative-wise, is to make impossible that Sandy will do Tuck's makeover. That MIGHT spark some significant changes in the "Tuck's Mall Escape" sequence (the old one was hilarious, if Ellen thinks it needs changes I can hardly wait for the new one...). Too bad, though. I really liked that "there were a lot of Valerie's friends" scene at Marisha Chalet, towards the end of the old version... maybe Ellen will find another reason for the Pack want to take revenge on Sandy, later on.


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Re: Part03 [message #1780] Mon, 12 April 2004 01:27 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Doragoon wrote on Fri, 09 April 2004 01:50

You have read the other season stories... becouse if you haven't you will NOT get the same out of it. infact, you've probably already missed out on a lot of it. *sigh* people never listen to ellen's directions...


Sorry, but I don't generally enjoy humiliation stories (TG or otherwise) and really didn't want to get involved with the others in this series. One of the attractions of the previous edition of Tuck Season was that everything in the story that was relevant to Jane's world was handled either as part of the plot or in the occasional character asides that interrupted it. If that's going to be the case this time, the explanation of this event hasn't happened yet, which was the reason I felt, correctly, that I was missing something reasonably important. I don't believe there's been anything else so far that I couldn't pick up either from here or the previous Tuck Season.

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Re: Part03 [message #1781] Mon, 12 April 2004 06:12 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Eric wrote on Mon, 12 April 2004 06:27

Doragoon wrote on Fri, 09 April 2004 01:50

You have read the other season stories... becouse if you haven't you will NOT get the same out of it. infact, you've probably already missed out on a lot of it. *sigh* people never listen to ellen's directions...


Sorry, but I don't generally enjoy humiliation stories (TG or otherwise) and really didn't want to get involved with the others in this series. One of the attractions of the previous edition of Tuck Season was that everything in the story that was relevant to Jane's world was handled either as part of the plot or in the occasional character asides that interrupted it. If that's going to be the case this time, the explanation of this event hasn't happened yet, which was the reason I felt, correctly, that I was missing something reasonably important. I don't believe there's been anything else so far that I couldn't pick up either from here or the previous Tuck Season.

Eric


I'm with you there, Eric, and the Seasons stories I read I did so only because of Tucky Season. That said, I think Tigger does attempt something wider than just the humiliation-scenario of the Joel Lawrence original. The Jane's-house setup provides a framework you can use to explore different ideas.

It's also the case that reading the other stories can make you enjoy the way Tucky Seasons satirises them mercilessly, although I don't think you need to have exhaustively read all of them to get that. At the time I first read Tucky Season I'd only read about half of Seasons of Change. In fact, I don't think I ever did finish it, but then, neither did the author. Twisted Evil


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Re: Part03 [message #1785] Thu, 15 April 2004 21:16 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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rachel.greenham wrote on Mon, 12 April 2004 05:12

Eric wrote on Mon, 12 April 2004 06:27

Doragoon wrote on Fri, 09 April 2004 01:50

You have read the other season stories... becouse if you haven't you will NOT get the same out of it. infact, you've probably already missed out on a lot of it. *sigh* people never listen to ellen's directions...


Sorry, but I don't generally enjoy humiliation stories (TG or otherwise) and really didn't want to get involved with the others in this series. One of the attractions of the previous edition of Tuck Season was that everything in the story that was relevant to Jane's world was handled either as part of the plot or in the occasional character asides that interrupted it. If that's going to be the case this time, the explanation of this event hasn't happened yet, which was the reason I felt, correctly, that I was missing something reasonably important. I don't believe there's been anything else so far that I couldn't pick up either from here or the previous Tuck Season.

Eric


I'm with you there, Eric, and the Seasons stories I read I did so only because of Tucky Season. That said, I think Tigger does attempt something wider than just the humiliation-scenario of the Joel Lawrence original. The Jane's-house setup provides a framework you can use to explore different ideas.

It's also the case that reading the other stories can make you enjoy the way Tucky Seasons satirises them mercilessly, although I don't think you need to have exhaustively read all of them to get that. At the time I first read Tucky Season I'd only read about half of Seasons of Change. In fact, I don't think I ever did finish it, but then, neither did the author. Twisted Evil


I agree with you in I do not like reading about abuse in any form but this is Tuck and the setting is interesting. I see Valarie/Tuck much more on edge than in the previous version. With the massive fatigue and the fear of being poisioned I see a colapse imminent withing the next installment. And the naming incident was indeed diffrent so we will have to see just how it plays out.....


Doubt is a thief that often makes us fear to tread where we might have won --Shakespeare" --

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Re: Part03 [message #1786] Sat, 17 April 2004 01:31 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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I enjoy most of the Seasons stories. It was looking for more of them that first lead me to the Tuck series, in fact. But when I started reading them, I did not start with the first one. I finally read it, and Tigger's two alternate conclusions, but I haven't been able to re-read them, unlike the rest of the stories. (I get mayby two chapters in and give up.) The series rapidly goes off in a very different direction than you would expect from the concept. In some ways, a lot of them read more like mysteries than just about anything else- "Why isn't it working right this time?"
You just need to accept the underlying premise, "This is an effective system run by people of good will." If you can suspend disbelief on that point, the stories feature a lot of genuinely neat characters and a suprisingly uplifing attitude. They are not humiliation for humiliation's sake- at least one story's climax revolves around shutting down somebody who is into that, in fact.
With all that said, Tuck Season isn't really an Aunt Jane story. It's a Tuck story featuring many of the Aunt Jane characters. (When the immovable force of Jane runs into the unstopable power of Tuck, Tuck almost always wins. So it's Tuck's story, not Jane's.)
I would suggest trying one of the slightly later stories- Darla's or Caitlyn's, perhaps- and seeing if that is somewhat more to your liking. If not, then plenty of people around here (including me) are more than happy to answer any questions you might have.
Re: Part03 [message #1787] Sat, 17 April 2004 08:59 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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OtherEric wrote on Sat, 17 April 2004 06:31

You just need to accept the underlying premise, "This is an effective system run by people of good will." If you can suspend disbelief on that point, the stories feature a lot of genuinely neat characters and a suprisingly uplifing attitude. They are not humiliation for humiliation's sake- at least one story's climax revolves around shutting down somebody who is into that, in fact.


Strong amen to that. In fact I remember Doragoon making the point once before how Jane's work is redeemed because it's done out of love.

Also, when you think of some of the places parents send their problem kids in real life, Jane comes out looking pretty benign and gentle. She punctures machismo and male posturing, but she doesn't seriously assault their basic human dignity. (They only think she does, for a while, until they learn the difference. Twisted Evil)

But yeah, I swear she has an improbability generator stashed away in her basement. Smile


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Re: Part03 [message #1788] Sat, 17 April 2004 09:39 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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rachel.greenham wrote on Sat, 17 April 2004 09:59


But yeah, I swear she has an improbability generator stashed away in her basement. Smile


Oh, so THAT is the reason she is so keen on tea... she needs a constant supply of hot tea as a source of brownian movement. Laughing

I wonder if she ever considered bistromathics? Naaah, an Italian bistro would be too... plebeian for Aunt Jane. And the very idea of having one in her basement, with all that garlic smell! Intolerable!


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Re: Part03 [message #1833] Thu, 13 May 2004 23:44 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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The Seasons Saga, when taken in whole, is an effort by Jane Thompson and her crew to redeem the new student by finding the hidden or suppressed emotional key that is the cause of the student’s violent behavior. This is done by Jane Thompson’s character version of petticoat discipline through controlling fear of public discovery perceived by the new student. The standard Seasons arc has the big sister aiding and abetting Jane to unlock this behavior in new students. The big sister is usually a former new student who has discovered their own key to the cause of their violence and is in the “healing” stage.
In this current storyline (as I have not read the original Tuck Seasons version), it seems the big sister has never reached this first stage (probably by deception to Jane) and should not have yet become a big sister to Tuck. We know Tuck’s violent tendencies through 103 chapters has only thus far has been in response to a direct reaction to physical attacks on him or to those he cares (Debbie at the Mall – yeah, at some level he/she still cares about her). He usually flees than attempt to stand ground from his attackers, but he will stand ground.

On the Tigger-n-brandy website, Tigger put up a timeline http://www.tigger-n-brandy.com/tigg_house/seasonspass.htm of when the original Tuck Seasons took place. The canvas of the Seasons characters were evolving into a richer depth while the original Tuck Seasons was being written. It looks like Ms. Hayes inadvertently got caught in changing character perceptions and this second rewrite is an attempt to correct that and improve the dynamics between characters.

However, I see a scenario where several story threads are now open: 1) The redemption of the Big Sister Charlene by some future actions of Tuck which evolves into the standard schmaltz of the Seasons arc, while possibly concurrently 2) Tuck discovers some level of who he/she is at the Thompson manor since this timline occurs after his first doctor’s visit and soul searching – all the while we watch the fun of Ms. Jane’s bewilderment of why her methods aren’t working with Tuck. At the end of the story – maybe we’ll see Tuck waking up from this pseudo nightmare back in the canonical universe? Opens up more interaction between Ms. Jane and Tuck in the future for us to enjoy……
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Re: Part03 [message #1834] Fri, 14 May 2004 00:55 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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I don't want to spoil Tuck Season for you if you haven't read the original version, but there are a couple of sequals to the story still available on Ellen's site, so we still know where this version will end up, or at least close to it. The first is Ellen's own Tuck visits Bikini Beach story. Next is Rachel Greenham's Tuck Squared, which was so good Ellen has pretty much said that the reason she's working on the Tuck Season re-write is so Rachel will work on a follow up to T^2. Both are highly recomended, but you need to decide for yourself if you want spoilers for Tuck Season before you get to the end yourself.
I think it's safe enough to say your guesses on where the story goes aren't too far off base, except where they are. Very Happy But the fun is in the journey, not the destination, and you get to join all of us in discovering the new route.
Oh, and welcome to the forum. It's nice to see that your alias is not entirely accurate.
Re: Part03 [message #1835] Fri, 14 May 2004 08:09 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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OtherEric wrote on Fri, 14 May 2004 05:55

Next is Rachel Greenham's Tuck Squared, which was so good Ellen has pretty much said that the reason she's working on the Tuck Season re-write is so Rachel will work on a follow up to T^2.


Yah yah, I'm workin' on it, 'kay? It's just long. I'd planned to serialise it, but the process wasn't working for me; I took a break, deleted about half of what I had, and now I'm just continuing to work towards a finished first draft.

(It's Pacchi's fault. I was all ready to give up and she went and did a lovely picture of Valerie with her bike (wearing summer gear, so it couldn't have been from Tuck^2). She's done more since, too, so I have to finish it so they can get seen with a context...)

lurker, I think the big-sister is rather compelled to play that role, and only in doing so, and seeing another go through what she already went through, is the real reforming work done. In that respect, Charlene's probably pretty much on-target - at least so far.

But as Art says in Caitlyn's Story (and I think it's actually borrowed from elsewhere), 'it's when the therapy doesn't follow the plan that I really earn my pay.' and the same applies to Jane. The interesting stories are the ones where things don't go according to Jane's script at all, even where the child in question should under no circumstances have been sent to her in the first place (but who, it turns out, would have been worse off if they hadn't come).

I think that counts with Tuck Season too. Twisted Evil


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Re: Part03 [message #1836] Fri, 14 May 2004 23:41 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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rachel.greenham wrote on Fri, 14 May 2004 05:09


Yah yah, I'm workin' on it, 'kay? It's just long. I'd planned to serialise it, but the process wasn't working for me; I took a break, deleted about half of what I had, and now I'm just continuing to work towards a finished first draft.

I wasn't trying to pressure you; I have no right to do so. I was just trying to explain why Ellen would not change the outcome of Tuck Season because of a story somebody else wrote. (Not that I'm not looking forward to your follow-up- I am. A lot!)
rachel.greenham wrote on Fri, 14 May 2004 05:09


(It's Pacchi's fault. I was all ready to give up and she went and did a lovely picture of Valerie with her bike (wearing summer gear, so it couldn't have been from Tuck^2). She's done more since, too, so I have to finish it so they can get seen with a context...)

I would love to see those, with or without a context. Pacchi's pictures are just wonderful.
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OtherEric wrote on Sat, 15 May 2004 04:41

I wasn't trying to pressure you; I have no right to do so.


Don't worry, you're not. I'm already obsessed! (This was supposed to have been done by last summer - People said that wasn't going to happen! The daily word-rate I managed on T^2 was simply unsustainable.)

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I was just trying to explain why Ellen would not change the outcome of Tuck Season because of a story somebody else wrote.


The idea that she might is... amusingly naive. No, I think Ellen's had this rewrite in mind for a long while and all I did was hand her a round tuit.

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(Not that I'm not looking forward to your follow-up- I am. A lot!)


I do wonder how it'll go down. It's quite different, both stylistically and thematically. There was at least a partial attempt to ape Ellen's style in T^2.

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rachel.greenham wrote on Fri, 14 May 2004 05:09

(It's Pacchi's fault. I was all ready to give up and she went and did a lovely picture of Valerie with her bike (wearing summer gear, so it couldn't have been from Tuck^2). She's done more since, too, so I have to finish it so they can get seen with a context...)

I would love to see those, with or without a context. Pacchi's pictures are just wonderful.



Well, some of them are for characters you haven't encountered yet, so they'd be too lacking a context, I think.

... back to nervously refreshing in search of chapter #104...


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Re: Part03 [message #1839] Sat, 15 May 2004 11:39 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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rachel.greenham wrote on Sat, 15 May 2004 07:12

The idea that she might is... amusingly naive. No, I think Ellen's had this rewrite in mind for a long while and all I did was hand her a round tuit.


Yes, I agree. Ellen has manifested intention of doing a revision on Tuck Season for a loooong time. Points:

1) She has always stated that, as long as she didn't digitally sign the chapters with PGP, "Tuck Seasons" was to be considered a "work in progress.
2) She was so unsatisfied with the 23rd and 24th chapters, in fact, that she posted them in a separate page, not even included in the standard Zipfile.
3) She has stated from time to time that she had plans for the remainder of the summer at Jane's.

All this adds up to "one of these days I'm going back there and fix it." And now (spurred by T^2 and the potential for T^3) she is finally doing it.

Actually, I expected just very minor changes (fixing small inconsistencies, dialogue improving, things like that), but Ellen has surprised me: some parts have gone under rather major revisions. HOWEVER, I think the changes up to now don't impact greatly the general storyline; it's more like "filling it in" in details, and replacing a scene with problems (contradicting either Tuck or Seasons canon, for instance) with an alternative scene.

For instance, the new "naming" scene in TS is radically different from the old one -- probably because the old one contradicted Seasons canon by having a visitor (especially a male visitor) so soon after Tuck's arrival. The new one is longer, more detailed, and (I think) even funnier. But it doesn't neccessarily change the long-term storyline significantly.


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Re: Part03 [message #1841] Sat, 15 May 2004 12:15 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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I think I was unclear in what I was trying to say. I know Ellen has been saying a revision of Tuck Season was planned for a very long time. She has also indicated that at least part of the reason she actually started doing it was to get the T^2 follow-up. Which indicates that however big the changes in Tuck Season v2 are, they are not likely to change where the story ends up. But some of the changes to the story so far are pretty major, pretty early in the story; and I might expect the outcome of the story to shift if I didn't know it had reason not to.
Also, it's unusual (to say the least) to think of what happens in a fanfic as limiting what the original author will do with their creation, unless you have some very specific reason for thinking it will. Which we do, in this case.
Re: Part03 [message #1843] Sun, 16 May 2004 02:44 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Folks, if you haven't figured it out yet...

Well, obviously, most of you have not.

Thanks to *blink* uh, whoever up there mentioned the 'clues' that this
wasn't finished... it wasn't, and I think I said so in the FAQ. But,
none of you apparently bothered to read, save, or remember THAT part.

Mmmmhmmm.

The 'new' version is going to be waaaay different than the old one.
I don't have Tigger throwing in new characters and situations whilst I
type, and I might even be a slightly better writer now than I was then.
Opinions vary on the latter, of course...

The characters will be familiar, and since I never throw anything away,
some chunks of text will be saved and carried over.... but this is not a
'fix typos' editorial pass - this is a COMPLETE REWRITE.

As one simple example: what do I do about Darla and Diana? Those two
characters were NOT present when I started writing Tucky Seasons, and yet
they are integral to any story in Jane's lately. They should either be
there, or be 'explained away' somehow... and I didn't do a very good job of
that in the past, for the simple reason that I didn't feel like trashing
EVERYTHING I'd written when Tigger published and we "discovered" first Darla
and then Diana...

Things will change immensely. That's why I said, don't save the 'first
draft' version... I had a feeling it was going to change, and, well....
it is. A lot.


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Great! Looks like you're tossing out the old OS and keeping the user interface...

At least now I won't feel like a latecomer Smile

BTW, enjoying chap104....you sure know how to add uncertainties into the stories Very Happy
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OtherEric wrote on Tue, 06 April 2004 23:26

Interestingly, at one point in this chapter, Jane refers to Tuck as "Miss Wallace". Tuck is still a little disoriented, but if that pops up again, I wonder if Tuck is going to catch on to the screw-up earlier than the end of the story.


Not sure why I just thought about this again last night...

The correct "answer" to the "Miss Wallace" implication turns out to be so unlikely a set of circumstances that Tuck's not going to come up with it off the top -- and won't at all until the end without a lot of help from the author. (That's assuming that the answer's the same as it was in the previous version, but it almost has to be for the story to end "right").

The more obvious possibilities that Tuck would consider, I think -- I'm not sure in which order -- are that:

- Jane has decided that using Tuck's real last name would be counterproductive, either to avoid detection or in order to make sure "Valerie" realizes that Jane is trying to create a whole new identity -- first and last name -- here. (Tuck would certainly appreciate the latter point in this new version, since he's carrying an ID card for 14-year-old Valerie Davis.)

- The notoriously secretive Tucker family has decided, somehow without telling him, that not using their real last name in making the Thompson reservation would work to everyone's advantage. (Especially now that Tuck has found out that this isn't the boot camp environment that his parents had told him to expect.) It almost seems like something they would have done had they thought of it. But they'd probably have told him in that case to hide his driver's license, which he's apparently done anyway.

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I suspect also (I'm rereading this for the Nth time...) that Tuck's facilities are at a fairly low point at this time and he is still operating under the impression that this is not a *GOOD PLACE school or reformatory but rather that he is being prepared to be sold as a child sex slave.

Yet earlier he wonders if the whole thing is just girling up boys. I think he discounts that because of the basic training routine even if is in dressing as a girl....
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In the fanfic by Rachel Greenham, Charlie was hurt by the fallout from the assassination of the otter two students. Whether or not Elen has a new student join is unknown.
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