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Where Are We III [message #4452] Mon, 20 March 2006 08:14 Go to next message
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While I'm still not sure there's any point in taking any of this literally, chapters 114 and 115 provide two new clues:

- The body armor source is in Lexington: presumably Lexington, Kentucky, 82 highway miles south of Cincinnati, but well over 100 from Dayton. Bill Tucker describes it as an hour and a half drive each way.

- Paul Dobson indicates that a Seventh Circuit federal court ruling is binding on the school district. Ohio and Kentucky are among the states in the Sixth Circuit; Indiana is in the Seventh, along with Illinois and Wisconsin. (A ruling from a neighboring circuit would be persuasive, but not binding.)

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Re: Where Are We III [message #4461] Sun, 26 March 2006 04:48 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Just as a point of reference, here are distances (according to Mapquest) to Indiana's major state universities from a Cincinnati suburb on the Indiana state border. (I used Harrison, Ohio as my arbitrary starting point, though obviously it's on the wrong side of the state line.)

Indiana University, Bloomington IN - 104 miles, 2 hours 20 minutes.

Purdue University, West Lafayette IN - 155 miles, 2 hours 41 minutes.

Indiana State University, Terre Haute IN - 162 miles, 2 hours 42 minutes.

(It's probably self-evident, but the reason for the comparative lack of disparity in driving time is that West Lafayette and Terre Haute are accessible via the interstate highway system (I-74 to Indianapolis, then I-65 to Lafayette or I-70 to Terre Haute); the last 40 miles to Bloomington are via slower two-lane state routes.)

Kings Island Amusement Park is 38 miles and 49 minutes from Harrison.
Re: Where Are We III [message #7329] Mon, 10 September 2012 12:24 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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I was just looking at Cincinnati on Google maps and consider the following as a possible clue. There is no record of them crossing the Ohio River yet if they are not in KY they almost have to cross the river to get to Lexington KY (really they do have to but it may be something that no one records) I don't see the story as set much north of Cincinnati but there appear to be suburbs all around the city some of which could be in KY which is a stretch for Kings Island. Still I don't see that as being impossible .

It is interesting that no one has considered that Tuckerville could be Covington KY. None of the schools listed in other posts are in Kentucky yet there must be some within the same radius to the south of Cincinnati.
Re: Where Are We III [message #7330] Mon, 10 September 2012 13:52 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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If they live in the state of Kentucky, would they root for a Kentucky university, or some other college sports team. [Assuming that they would.] List of colleges and universities in Kentucky http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_colleges_and_universities_in_Kentuc ky
Sports Teams [message #7331] Mon, 10 September 2012 21:53 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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If you live in a city suburb that happens to be in another state (e.g., East St Louis, IL, or maybe Gary, IN), I assume you'd root for a team in the metro area, regardless of state boundaries.

Beyond that I'd be guessing, but I think Covingtonians would be more inclined toward Ohio State than the U. of Kentucky.

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Re: Where Are We III [message #7332] Tue, 11 September 2012 05:40 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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I thought that we were talking about the Tuckers.
Re: Where Are We III [message #7333] Tue, 11 September 2012 23:17 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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stanman wrote on Tue, 11 September 2012 02:40

I thought that we were talking about the Tuckers.


We were and are. But neither Bill nor Tuck is a sports fan so we don't have a nearby college team to give us a marker. IMO as I said somewhere else in this forum I think that Deighton (which is given as the name of the school that Rachel attends) is a big hint. Pronounce that word like you would neighbor and you get Dayton. IDK if there is a Deighton U somewhere in Ohio I just 'feel' that Dayton or a suburb thereof is a prime candidate for the location of Tuckerville.

However since some other people have been concentrating on Cincinnati I thought I'd point out that northern KY works if you are looking at suburbs. In fact the Cincinnati International Airport is in Kentucky.
Re: Where Are We III [message #7334] Thu, 13 September 2012 00:13 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Anne wrote on Wed, 12 September 2012 00:17

stanman wrote on Tue, 11 September 2012 02:40

I thought that we were talking about the Tuckers.


We were and are. But neither Bill nor Tuck is a sports fan so we don't have a nearby college team to give us a marker. IMO as I said somewhere else in this forum I think that Deighton (which is given as the name of the school that Rachel attends) is a big hint. Pronounce that word like you would neighbor and you get Dayton. IDK if there is a Deighton U somewhere in Ohio I just 'feel' that Dayton or a suburb thereof is a prime candidate for the location of Tuckerville.

However since some other people have been concentrating on Cincinnati I thought I'd point out that northern KY works if you are looking at suburbs. In fact the Cincinnati International Airport is in Kentucky.


Well, it just might be that Ellen is giving us deliberately contradictory information. "Deighton" suggests Dayton (and Google didn't find any Deighton U, by the way), but (as has been mentioned elsewhere) Seventh Circuit tends to suggest Indiana. There was also some weird considerations regarding time zones and DST, which might also make more sense if we assume Indiana and its somewhat confusing time rules.

If I recall correctly, the DST argument went like this: Tuck's aunt (Amy's mom) got confused about time differences because of DST, and ended up calling at the wrong time. Now, this only makes sense if the two ends of the phone call are under different DST rules, otherwise the time difference is the same year-round; Amy lives in NY, which observes DST; ergo, Tuck lives somewhere which does (did) not observe DST. Back in 1997, in the Midwest, that meant Indiana.

The confusing part is that the Indiana counties closest to Cincinatti (that is, the ones that are part of the Cincinatti Metro area) do observe DST, albeit informally... Franklin County is reasonably close and out of the "informal DST" zone, but from the Google Earth photos it appears to be mostly farmland -- places like New Trenton and Cedar Grove seem to fit more Clark Kent's life than Tuck's.

Hmmm... perhaps looking a bit farther north? Richmond (Wayne County) is not that small and sits right at the Ohio border. Google estimates one and a half hour travel from there to Kings Island. Tuck and Travis made it in about that time in July 29, if we discount about ten minutes stop at a store to buy water and stuff.

But then... damn. During the body armor trip, Bill mentions that it's a one and a half hour drive, each way, from their home to there (which is assumed to Lexington, KY -- Lexington, OH is just too far). But one and a half hour travel time is barely enough to place "Home" in southern Indiana or Ohio -- Richmond is just too far north.

My best guess so far is something like Lawrenceburg, Indiana. We only have to ignore the "informal DST" thing -- it fits most of the other data (although it's a tad too close to Kings Island).


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Re: Where Are We III [message #7343] Mon, 24 September 2012 14:10 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Remember that Tuck/Val rides a motorcycle from home to Season's House. I assume that he learned it's location from Tucky Season, but wonder how that effects his hometown placement.
Re: Where Are We III [message #7345] Mon, 24 September 2012 21:38 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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stanman wrote on Mon, 24 September 2012 15:10

Remember that Tuck/Val rides a motorcycle from home to Season's House. I assume that he learned it's location from Tucky Season, but wonder how that effects his hometown placement.

Actually, it doesn't make much difference:
- The most solid information we have is that it's reasonably near Kings Island Amusement Park, that is, less than two hours driving distance (more like one hour, but I'm being generous in the margin of error here)
- From Kings Island to West Kingston, RI is a fourteen-hour trip.
- It follows that travel time from Tuck's town to West Kingston is fourteen hours plus-or-minus two, that is, something between twelve and sixteen hours. That's a two-day trip.
- In Rachel's story, Valerie's motorcycle trip took two days (she slept in a motel about mid-way), which is consistent with the assumptions above.


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Re: Where Are We III [message #7478] Mon, 25 February 2013 20:18 Go to previous message
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New data confirming the general location to be around Cincinnati:

In the Valentine's Day Special, a classmate of Tuck refer to the Reds as "we", and mentions the team had played against the Chicago Cubs in the previous year.

The only team named "Reds" that played against the Cubs in 1997 was the Cincinnati Reds. Ergo, the location is close enough to Cincinnati that the Reds are considered the "local team."

Admittedly, that doesn't pinpoint the place much better than previous evidence -- from what I see of the MLB franchises distribution, there's not much competition for fans in at least 100 miles around Cincinnati, possibly more -- but it corroborates our previous guesses.


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