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Big Brother Tuck [message #7500] Mon, 04 March 2013 13:13 Go to next message
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Here in Brazil we are in the most depressing time of the year, TV-wise: Big Brother season. We are assaulted with ads for the stupid "reality" show.

Somebody was trying to get my goat suggesting that I would like to be a participant. As if. Three months unplugged from the Internet? My job skills would be totally obsolete when I came out of that house.

My thought was, "if I was there, first thing would be to disable the cameras." And that reminded me of Tuck in the Seasons House...

So... leaving aside the matter of convincing Tuck to participate in the stupid thing, if he was caught inside, *how* would he make the producer's and housemates' lifes miserable?


Don't call me Shirley. You will surely make me surly.
Re: Big Brother Tuck [message #7503] Tue, 05 March 2013 00:13 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Sir Lee, are there any reality TV shows you like? Me, I like those Modern Marvel and other such shows. They may not be strictly reality TV, but make more sense.
Re: Big Brother Tuck [message #7507] Tue, 05 March 2013 12:08 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Sir Lee wrote on Mon, 04 March 2013 10:13


So... leaving aside the matter of convincing Tuck to participate in the stupid thing, if he was caught inside, *how* would he make the producer's and housemates' lives miserable?


If Tuck volunteered as the cook it would be difficult for the other inmates to vote him off the show, much to the consternation of the producers. This is assuming that Tuck's physiology wasn't an issue and that the TG=gay=evil meme didn't arise (or if it did Tuck didn't geld any asshole that grabbed at his tits.)

I don't think anything could get Tuck to participate and from escaping at his first opportunity.
Re: Big Brother Tuck [message #7512] Wed, 06 March 2013 12:44 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Sir Lee wrote on Mon, 04 March 2013 18:13

So... leaving aside the matter of convincing Tuck to participate in the stupid thing, if he was caught inside, *how* would he make the producer's and housemates' lifes miserable?


Well, I'd have to have a television to watch the stupid show, which I don't; so all this is sort of out of my a** and Wikipedia's entry (about Big Brother (TV series), not Ellen's ass).
(there had best not be an article on Ellen's ass. Ever.)

Okay, first: no Internet, no deal. The only way he'd consent to being locked up in such a small space with no Internet is if he got to pick the other inmates.

Second... he'd probably be trying to escape, and not 'get evicted' kind of escape; more like a prison movie kind of escape. Which would be really interesting with the no-outside-contact part.

Third: cooking, yeah. VERY good point. And he could probably manage to go along with some other people in a group action, if someone told him the rules (like, food budget depends on successful completion of group actions). But the rest of the time, he'd be in Deep Hack, programming away on a laptop or some such. And, anything like 'no laptop/no programming' would be treated, in Tuck's mind, as an assassination attempt. So all the social-interaction aspect of the show would go flat, because Tuck HATES being bothered whilst in Deep Hack.

This kind of reminds me of Rachel Greenham's "What if Tuck was put into the Naked In School series of stories?" The answer is, he wouldn't be. He might not chew through his OWN arm to escape, but he'd be entirely willing to chew through someone else's arm. Much less run away from school (NIS), and much-much less-less simply refuse to volunteer for a television show like Big Brother.

What could possibly be a big enough prize to induce him to try?

Well, with the other-people-voting thing, nothing; he'd assume that he's unpopular enough with random people that he'd lose, and therefore all the s*** he goes through would be wasted.

I don't even think Debbie could talk him into it.

I just can't see any of the elimination formats working in Tuck's favor - or in Tuck's mind, giving him ANY hope of winning - enough to get him to risk participating.

Ellen
Re: Big Brother Tuck [message #7537] Mon, 11 March 2013 06:34 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Ellen Hayes wrote on Wed, 06 March 2013 09:44

I just can't see any of the elimination formats working in Tuck's favor - or in Tuck's mind, giving him ANY hope of winning - enough to get him to risk participating.


While I avoid it like the Plague, and can't imagine *how* they'd get him to participate, the thought of Tuck, or even Mike on one of the Survivor shows is somewhat interesting.


In much the same sense that the fire about 40 years back in the NW industrial area was "interesting" (something about letting a number of building burn while the fire department concentrated on keeping 40 foot LOX tank cool...)

Re: Big Brother Tuck [message #7539] Mon, 11 March 2013 09:07 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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The only thing I can see Tuck on is something like the British Masterchef (do you have anything like it in the US? They have categories for everything from kids to up and coming chefs), but it doesn't have much in the way of reality-show foolishness.
Re: Big Brother Tuck [message #7620] Fri, 15 March 2013 10:22 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Brooke wrote on Mon, 11 March 2013 10:34

the thought of Tuck, or even Mike on one of the Survivor shows is somewhat interesting.


Again, speaking out of my ass, as 'twere - I haven't had a working television in years - and Wikipedia... again, the social vote-em-out aspect would keep either of them from bothering to enter.

Though I could almost see a sort of joke application...

"No, you cannot kill other participants."

"No, you can't kill the crew members either."

"No, you're not allowed to eat any participants you find dead."

"NO, you are not allowed to influence the voting by beating a participant and threatening the rest of them."

...

Okay, what MIGHT work, though it would take super-Debbie powers, is to get several of them on one show. Like Tuck, Mike, George, Dan, Jill, Kelly, and Kathy. They pretend not to know each other, but once the show starts - and it would take some more Debbie-type mind control not to get them thrown out for this - they start cooperating with each other and against everyone else...

Oh, wait, that's seven of them. Obviously they'd have to start making Gilligan's Island references...


Ellen

[Updated on: Fri, 15 March 2013 10:23]

Re: Survivor Gilligan's Island Tuck [message #7621] Fri, 15 March 2013 10:29 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Tuck: Gilligan
Mike: Professor
Dan: Thurston Howell III
George: Skipper
Jill: Mrs. Howell
Kelly: Maryann
Kathy: Ginger

George really does better as Thurston, but then none of the girls would be willing to be Mrs. Howell. Also, I could see Kathy challenging Kelly to an arm wrestling match, loser gets stuck as Ginger...

Actually, I could see the lot of them switching 'roles', or at least names, a lot. Leading to such memorable quotes as "Who's Gilligan today?" and "If I'm Gilligan I don't have to wear the coconut bikini top" and "Make George Ginger!"


Ellen
Re: Survivor Gilligan's Island Tuck [message #7657] Mon, 18 March 2013 00:21 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Ellen Hayes wrote on Fri, 15 March 2013 07:29

Tuck: Gilligan
Mike: Professor
Dan: Thurston Howell III
George: Skipper
Jill: Mrs. Howell
Kelly: Maryann
Kathy: Ginger

George really does better as Thurston, but then none of the girls would be willing to be Mrs. Howell. Also, I could see Kathy challenging Kelly to an arm wrestling match, loser gets stuck as Ginger...

Actually, I could see the lot of them switching 'roles', or at least names, a lot. Leading to such memorable quotes as "Who's Gilligan today?" and "If I'm Gilligan I don't have to wear the coconut bikini top" and "Make George Ginger!"


I'm sorry. My mind keeps coming up with Tuck (Val) as Maryann...

Re: Big Brother Tuck [message #7664] Mon, 18 March 2013 02:57 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Why not Debbie as Lovey Howell?
Re: Big Brother Tuck [message #7706] Thu, 21 March 2013 20:17 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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stanman wrote on Mon, 18 March 2013 06:57

Why not Debbie as Lovey Howell?

On account of, you'd have to have a Mr. Howell to marry to Debbie, and I can't think of-

*slaps forehead* Oh, damnit. LISA.

Maybe it's just hunger that's making me stupid. No, that wasn't the case when I wrote that.

Oh, but, I REALLY don't think Tuck would like to be on a desert island with Debbie and Lisa right now... even with the resumption of diplomatic relations.


Ellen
Re: Big Brother Tuck [message #7708] Thu, 21 March 2013 21:47 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Who would be the skipper?
Honestly I don't see Tuval as Gilligan. I almost see him as Tom Swift....
Re: Big Brother Tuck [message #7716] Fri, 22 March 2013 05:04 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Anne wrote on Thu, 21 March 2013 18:47

Who would be the skipper?
Honestly I don't see Tuval as Gilligan. I almost see him as Tom Swift....


Which one? The original? Or Ton Swift, jr?

You can find the originals here:
http://tomswift.bobfinnan.com/ts1.htm

BTW, having grown up with the Hardy Boys, Nancy Drew and even a few Dana Girls books, I have to wonder what Tuck and crew would think of those books. Some of what the Hardy Boys get up to is about as close to the exploits of Mike & co as you could get given the publishing climate and era, but...

ps. I'm talking about the *original* Hardy Boys and Nancy Drew books not the horrible "revisions" from the 1960s and later.

Tip on recognizing. them If you've got a hardback, check the end papers. If they are colored background, they are the originals. If they are black line art on white paper, they are the rewrites.

Applewood press is slowly reprinting the originals on archival quality paper with decent binding.
Re: Big Brother Tuck [message #7722] Fri, 22 March 2013 12:45 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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If you really want Tuck-like Auld Juvenile Fiction:

Mad Scientist's Club

Henry Reed

Homer Price

The Great Brain

Harriet The Spy

Plus, I remember a series - my weird grandmother bought me a few - called Trixie Belden. Anyone ever read any of those?


Ellen
Re: Big Brother Tuck [message #7731] Sat, 23 March 2013 19:38 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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I think I read one or two. IIRC they were by the same author as the original Hardy Boys, Nancy Drew, Dana Girls.... Makes me embarrassed to call myself an author some days the auld coot (though I think he died shortly after I was born...)
Re: Big Brother Tuck [message #7737] Sun, 24 March 2013 08:47 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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What about Tuck in some other TV shows?
Re: Big Brother Tuck [message #7739] Sun, 24 March 2013 12:10 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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stanman wrote on Sun, 24 March 2013 05:47

What about Tuck in some other TV shows?

Mom and I used to watch Jeopardy and Wheel of Fortune. I think Tuck would do as well as I did on Jeopardy: well above average on the odd kinds of stuff that a geek remembers and very poorly on cultural (pop or otherwise) questions. I don't see Tuck doing very well on Wheel.

As far as regular TV goes I don't think Tuck would be a good enough an actor to portray a character very much unlike himself. Sitcoms are out because people acting stupidly aren't funny. I could see Tuck as a summer intern/junior sidekick on one of the CSI shows or Numb3rs(0).

One of the biggest problems would be keeping Tuck on task. He'd be hanging out with the techs and stunt people and the prop department and they'd have to keep him from tinkering with the equipment.

--------------------------------

(0)Numb3rs is about a Nobel-caliber(1) mathematician who helps his FBI agent brother to solve difficult cases. That one would be funny when the FBI is gearing up for an urban assault to arrest some bad guy and Tuck shows up with his social work gear.

A kid-level version of Numb3rs might be possible with a highschooler helping out the local PD. Maybe the cops bounce a few of the jocks off the wall to keep them from picking on the geek.

(1) There's no Nobel Prize for mathematics but the Fields medal is generally considered its equivalent. There is lots of speculation about why Alfred Nobel didn't offer a prize but no firm conclusions. http://www.snopes.com/science/nobel.asp
Re: Big Brother Tuck [message #7747] Tue, 26 March 2013 23:04 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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mkemp wrote on Sun, 24 March 2013 16:10

( Numb3rs ) one would be funny when the FBI is gearing up for an urban assault to arrest some bad guy and Tuck shows up with his social work gear.

And complaining about pussy-assed M16's and the bizarre debacle of the 10mm. And Mike slapping his head and telling him to be quiet.

Though gods help the actor who fucks up the tactical parts (even if it was scripted that way). Or the gunhandling.

But good luck getting him out in front of a camera; he'd way rather be behind it doing tech stuff.


I could almost see Tuck - as a character, not an actor - in The Big Bang Theory, though.


Ellen
Re: Big Brother Tuck [message #7750] Wed, 27 March 2013 01:59 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Ellen Hayes wrote on Fri, 22 March 2013 09:45

Mad Scientist's Club


Yeah, I read a few of those in Boys Life back in the day, and a few years back stumbled across one of the collections published by Scholastic. Need to find the other one.

Quote:

Henry Reed


Oh god. *Someone* needs to toss Tuck a copy of "Henry Reed's Babysitting Service". Or Mike & Co (who will rib him unmercifully about it)

Quote:

Plus, I remember a series - my weird grandmother bought me a few - called Trixie Belden. Anyone ever read any of those?


I've heard of them. I may even have read one.

I'm much more familiar with Nancy Drew and the Hardy Boys because they had a book cart with most of the series in the 5th & 6th grade classrooms at school.
Re: Big Brother Tuck [message #7751] Wed, 27 March 2013 02:02 Go to previous message
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Anne wrote on Sat, 23 March 2013 16:38

I think I read one or two. IIRC they were by the same author as the original Hardy Boys, Nancy Drew, Dana Girls.... Makes me embarrassed to call myself an author some days the auld coot (though I think he died shortly after I was born...)


Hardy Boys, etc were all published by the Strathmeyer Syndicate and the "authors" were "house" names. The books were actually written by over a dozen different people to outlines supplied by the publisher.
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