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Features and Ethnicities [message #122] Sun, 22 September 2002 04:10 Go to next message
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Ellen Hayes notably does not describe specific hair colorations or eye colors of Tuck and most of the cast.

Tucker is hinted to be caucasian, Mike is Han-chinese, Jill has dark hair (naturally), and such. This is a great device for allowing the reader to dive into the story and imagine the characters for him/herself. This also creates difficulties in illustrating or otherwise providing "canonical" pictures of the crew. I have specifically tried to leave the coloration of Tuck's hair and eyes non-specific (Haha, yeah right, I just can't ink or color).

I'd be very interested to see what other people's impression of Tucker and Crew is. Feel free to color the pictures I have completed so far, but please cite me as penciling source (a small "Penciling by Pacchi" in a corner'd be great). Post them up somewhere and we can have a sort of unofficial coloring contest, heh.

What do the rest of you think?

(I have only taken stature and hair style notes from Maya pictures Ellen has provided on her website, since Tuck is most notably not Japanese).

- P
Re: Features and Ethnicities [message #128] Sun, 22 September 2002 07:09 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Tuck's hair is medium ash brown, I don't know how I know that but I do. Smile Amy's hair is the same color, almost two shades darker and Susan has lighter hair of that same color also; both close enough to Tuck's hair color that they can all three be mistaken for one another, or at least the relationship is obvious. Amy's natural skin color is a half shade darker than Tuck's but Susan and Valerie match very close, light enough to show blushes easily but dark enough to take a good tan. Susan freckles, Tuck and Amy don't.

Brian and Sarah have chestnut brown hair, and Bill's hair was about the same color as Susan's but it has gone mostly grey. All three of them are slightly darker skinned than Tuck. Bill has freckles and Brian has a rosy undertone to his skin that no one else in the family has, everybody else looks slightly bilious under bad flourescents. Tuck's skin has a particularly soft, almost translucent appearance, though Susan and Sarah have some of this also.

Susan and Tuck look very slender but are surprisingly solid and weigh more than one would think looking at them. Mom is less leggy and wider-hipped but nicely curved. All three are about 5'5, 115-125 pounds. Brian is a little shorter but about the same weight and gives the impression of being blocky. Amy is shorter than Tuck but not by much and weighs about the same.

Dad is 5'11-1/2 and about 190 unless he's been working out and watching his weight recently.

The Tuckers all have brown (Tuck, Brian, Amy, Sarah) or hazel brown (Susan, Bill) eyes.

Travis is blond and even blonder due to his summer job. His eyes are grey-blue though most people would just say blue; he tans a marvelous old bronze, though his natural skin color is sort of ruddy-pale. He's six-foot-three.

Debbie's hair is dark blonde, like carmelized honey; her eyes are light hazel with green and blue flecks in them. She has a very even skin color that does not blush easily but looks darker than it really is. She's Tuck's height but is very plush and curvy.

Anybody have evidence to contradict my opinions? Smile
Re: Features and Ethnicities [message #129] Sun, 22 September 2002 07:21 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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I don't think evidence is the point, your opinions fit well generally. I really think that's part of Ellen's charm; the subtlety and personality of her work.

I don't think Dad's grey yet, but that's just me Smile

- P
Re: Features and Ethnicities [message #143] Sun, 22 September 2002 18:51 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Tuck
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height: 5'5"
weight: 125
hair: brown
eyes: blue

Deb
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height: 5'5"
weight: 135
hair:dark wavy, not quite shoulder length
eyes: black

Lisa
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height: 5'8"
weight: skinnier than tuck
hair: dyed blonde
eyes: green

Travis
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height: very tall& well muscled
weight: reletivly thin
hair: shortish blond hair

Kim
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eyes: Hazel

Jill
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hair: dyed platinum blonde



this is all that i have been able to verify. as it's been said, ellen have been leaving the physical descriptions vuage


Re: Features and Ethnicities [message #192] Thu, 26 September 2002 06:38 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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erin> Anybody have evidence to contradict my opinions?

Does mine count? *grin*

Ellen
Re: Features and Ethnicities [message #197] Thu, 26 September 2002 15:55 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Sure. Smile But I meant citations in the canon. I was just reporting my mental images of the characters. I guess I had missed Tuck's blue eyes. Smile
Re: Features and Ethnicities [message #3012] Fri, 07 January 2005 19:34 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Doragoon wrote on Sun, 22 September 2002 15:51

Tuck
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height: 5'5"
weight: 125
hair: brown
eyes: blue

Deb
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height: 5'5"
weight: 135
hair:dark wavy, not quite shoulder length
eyes: black

Lisa
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height: 5'8"
weight: skinnier than tuck
hair: dyed blonde
eyes: green

Travis
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height: very tall& well muscled
weight: reletivly thin
hair: shortish blond hair

Kim
------------
eyes: Hazel

Jill
------------
hair: dyed platinum blonde



this is all that i have been able to verify. as it's been said, ellen have been leaving the physical descriptions vuage



Travis is about 6'3" or 6'4" since Tuck said that he is almost a foot taller than Tuck' 5'5".


PS
This thread was started a while back. I think there is more visual detail on the character in chapters that came after this thread was started.


[Updated on: Fri, 07 January 2005 19:39]

Re: Features and Ethnicities [message #3014] Sat, 08 January 2005 11:48 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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A while ago I reread the story taking note of all kinds of characters trivia... on direct request from Ellen, I won't post it here in its integrity, but a few details which are not enough to be considered spoilers can be:

Tuck - Born April 3rd,1981. Short, thin, slight body (about five-five, since he's about the same size than Debbie).

Valerie - Wears a size 10 dress.

Debbie - about five-five tall, and about 135 pounds, very shapely. She has dark wavy hair, not quite shoulder length, and eyes so dark they are almost black. Irish ancestry.

Mike - Born July 28, 1980. Han chinese.

Travis - Tall and relatively thin, but well muscled. Has shortish blond hair and a deep voice.

Jill - born March 20, 1980. Tomboyish. Irish ancestry. Died hair platinum blonde.

Kim - Hazel eyes. Apparently blonde. A bit overweight, not enough to be considered fat, just curvy.

Kathy - Very tall and athletic -- but still shapely. Blonde "Amazon goddess". Has a mole in her butt.

Lisa - About 5'8", skinnier than Tuck or Debbie. Died blonde hair and green eyes in a model figure.

Pam - very thin (wears a size 6 dress).

Sabrina - Jewish ancestry, from Europe.

Book - Black guy, shaved head. Plays basketball, so is probably fairly tall at least.

Bill Tucker - two toes missing from left foot. Wears glasses. Not as tall as Kathy, Travis or even Cory.

Susan - Not much said, but apparently Tuck looks enough like her to be mistaken for her at times.

Arnold Lanier - Very big and muscular black guy.

THE FRESHTHINGS:
Anne Marie - Short and VERY curvy, even "top-heavy."

Cory - Very tall, taller than Tuck's dad, although not as tall as Kathy or Travis. Just went through a growth spurt, and is a bit awkward yet.

Janet - Tall, but not as tall as Cory.

Kelly - A bit tall for her age, but still shorter than Tuck. Dark blonde/light brown hair in an anime style. "Indeterminate" eyes, pale and a little freckled. Androgynous.

Sally - Smallish asian girl with a haircut style similar to Kelly's.

Valerie Faciszewski - Looks very young.

Dave (Rachel's roomate) - shaved head.

STEPWISE PAGODA:

Jack - Longish straight blond hair, swept back, and dark eyes. Nicely muscled. Has a Celtic scrollwork tattoo on a nipple.

Johnny - Shaved head, lots of piercings on ears, eyebrows, nose and tongue.

Mike - "the tall one".

Ray 'Maddog' - Tuck-tall but stronger, "seems" larger.



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Re: Features and Ethnicities [message #3482] Sun, 01 May 2005 09:18 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Sir Lee wrote on Sat, 08 January 2005 08:48


Jill - born March 20, 1980.

I had her for 1981. What'd I miss?

Re: Features and Ethnicities [message #3484] Sun, 01 May 2005 10:21 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Eric wrote on Sun, 01 May 2005 10:18

I had her for 1981. What'd I miss?


Hmmm, I can't remember right now where I got that year info from. I might be mistaken. However...

...ignoring for the moment whether there is positive evidence one way or another for Jill's age, I could make a good case for the earlier date based on circunstantial evidence.

At the beginning of the story, many (at least Mike, Debbie and Pam) of Tuck's friends are already driving -- that is, they are over sixteen. Tuck won't be sixteen and get his license until April -- that is, he seems to be one year younger than all of them -- but then, he IS a highly gifted student, and probably skipped a grade sometime in the past, meaning he now relates with people generally one year older than he is. He is almost a full year younger than Mike, for instance, and at least half year younger than Debbie.

Now, Jill is never shown driving that I recall -- but she is probably the most cash-short of the lot, so lack of wheels does not mean neccessarily that she is too young to drive.

Also, Jill is not described as a G'n'T student -- Tuck, Debbie and Kim are the ones mentioned. She probably didn't skip a grade like Tuck. That would put her roughly the same age as the rest of the Pack -- that is, about sixteen at the story beginning.


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Re: Features and Ethnicities [message #3489] Sun, 01 May 2005 23:42 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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I doubt that Tuck skipped a year, given his health problems through childhood and the limited language skills that are still causing him problems on English papers.

I just assumed he got lucky and hit an age break: in places where school starts in August, March or April birthdates seemed a plausible break point between letting people in and keeping them out for a year. Different districts in the area (and private schools, and transfers from elsewhere) would have different rules, with the result that there'd be some variance by the time people got to McAllen, though Debbie, driving before or just after she started her sophomore year, seemed more anomalous than most. (And SHE'S G&T...)

(So far, Jill has always relied on public transportation or gotten rides from friends. So we don't know whether or when she was licensed; we do learn on July 27, long after her birthday, that she's saving up to buy a motorcycle.)

Eric
Re: Features and Ethnicities [message #3490] Mon, 02 May 2005 01:51 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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OK, I see your point, and it makes a lot of sense. If Tuck just happens to have "squeaked by" the youngest acceptable age to enter school, it would make a lot more sense for Jill to be a couple weeks older than him (she's from March 20, he's April 3rd) than more than one year older. Faulty reasoning on my part...
So, I agree: Jill was almost certainly born on 1981, not 1980 as I had posted previously.

However, on the matter of Debbie's age: I think she HAS to have been born sometime during June-October, 1980:
- Her birthday can't be during the remainder of the year because Tuck would certainly have mentioned it when they were dating. He mentioned shopping for Christmas presents for her, and for birthday gifts for Mike and Jill; I hardly think that a girlfriend's birthday would pass by without any mention.
- She was already driving in October, so she was already sixteen; that put her being born in in October, 1980 at the latest.
- Debbie is now a junior, as most of the other characters. How do we know that? Well, because she got a "Little Sister," like everybody else. That also points to an 1980 birth date -- if she were born in 1979, she would now be a senior (being a G'n'T herself, it's unlikely that she would have been "held back" sometime).
- I don't think Debbie's driving is THAT anomalous. Mike turned 16 in July -- Debbie might be roughly the same age as him. And Mike was ALSO car-enabled by Halloween; he picked up George on Nov. 1 (see 7:31 AM entry). And Debbie would be *highly* motivated to get a car as soon as possible; it would help a lot with her businesses. She would have the money for it, too.

Sir Lee


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Re: Features and Ethnicities [message #3491] Mon, 02 May 2005 02:47 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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You're right about Debbie -- her birthdate just about has to be between June and October '80, and more likely earlier than later, since Tuck takes her driving for granted at the start of the story, as a routine feature of their relationship.

(FWIW, Debbie's parked in a school lot on December 10. It might have been easier for her to get a parking pass if she'd been driving since the school year began. They're not always easy to get, especially for underclasspeople, or after they've already been distributed. Then again, nobody in the story has mentioned passes or parking restrictions (other than getting Nickerson's car towed, presumably out of a faculty lot), and some of the lots here aren't monitored and may not even be on school property.)

Eric
Re: Features and Ethnicities [message #3492] Mon, 02 May 2005 03:26 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Erin Halfelven wrote on Thu, 26 September 2002 12:55

Sure. Smile But I meant citations in the canon. I was just reporting my mental images of the characters. I guess I had missed Tuck's blue eyes. Smile


I remember it from Mike commenmting that Tuck was so full of shit that his eyes had turned brown and Tuck *checking*. I think it's mentioned elsewhere as well.
Re: Features and Ethnicities [message #3499] Mon, 02 May 2005 19:37 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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could deb, as the emancipated daughtor of a single mother, have gotten some kind of hardship license?
Re: Features and Ethnicities [message #3500] Mon, 02 May 2005 20:06 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Doragoon wrote on Mon, 02 May 2005 20:37

could deb, as the emancipated daughtor of a single mother, have gotten some kind of hardship license?


I really have no idea; I live in the other hemisphere, and only have very rough ideas of how these things work in the U.S.
Latest guess (originated from debate about time zones and time differences to NY) is that Tuckville is somewhere in eastern Indiana. Does anybody knows enough about relevant Indiana laws to offer an opinion on that?

Anyway, it would not be *necessary* to make the story flow. If Debbie was born sometime during June-September, 1980 (a reasonable guess), she could have her license for a full month before the saga began. Mike was born on July 1980, and he already was in possession of Stupid by Halloween.


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Re: Features and Ethnicities [message #3502] Mon, 02 May 2005 22:38 Go to previous message
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Doragoon wrote on Mon, 02 May 2005 16:37

could deb, as the emancipated daughtor of a single mother, have gotten some kind of hardship license?


No idea. But at one time (I don't know if this is the case any longer) you could get a learner's permit at 15. That let you drive a car as long as there was a licensed adult driver ion the card with you.

That would allow aquiring driving expertise before getting a license. And in the case of Debbie, she may well have gotten the car before she was 16.

Mike might have gotten Stupid as a non-running junker and tinkered it back to working (this fits well with events in the original version of Tucky Season). And gotten in some practice with his mother or father.

We know Tuck was getting practice with his dad.

So getting a car and getting a license are only loosely connected.

BTW, I know that when I was 16 mom wanted to sign one of the cars over to me (to protect it during a legal dispute). But apparently being under 18 meant that she'd still own it in some sense or other). But that was years and years before Tuck, and in a different state.

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