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Charlene [message #2706] Fri, 29 October 2004 06:17 Go to next message
Doragoon  is currently offline Doragoon
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I was going through my notes while writing a post about chapter 5, and I suddenly had a thought.

In the scenes:

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"If she's not behaving better by Friday," Jane resolved angrily, "I AM going to send her back."
"Part of me wants to disagree with you," Marie said sullenly, holding the ice pack to the bump on her head. "But only part."


And,

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"Art," Jane begged into the phone, "what should I DO? I can't believe she's still acting like she is!"


It makes MUCH more sense that Jane is talking about Charlene. And I don't think I can find anything to contradict it. I think Ellen might have pulled another of her "Kelly is a boy"-like tricks on us.


The,

Quote:

"_I_ am on the verge of sending her back, to whatever fate awaits her at home. That has nothing to do with you directly..."


may be meant more as a test for Charlene than for tuck.

I can find nothing to contradict this assumption. In fact, it makes a great deal more sense. Though, i wouldn't be surprised to find out I'm wrong.

If this is really how it is, Ellen is the greatest author ever. Evil... but great. It would be just like Ellen to trick us like this too.

Or am I just stupid, and everyone else was already reading it this way?
icon14.gif  Re: Charlene [message #2714] Sat, 30 October 2004 22:28 Go to previous messageGo to next message
iWindoze  is currently offline iWindoze
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Hmmm...

Shocked Laughing Twisted Evil

I think you're on to something; I read all those as dialogue
intended to be references to TuVal at first, but the more I
mull them over in my head the more sense your interpetation
makes, especially given Charlene's behavior while trying to
'force' Tuck into meeting Tom. He was a bit more violent
than he needed to be (even if his reasoning, for someone
who doesn't really know Tuck made sense at the time.) I
also think that you could read Marie's ice pack as a red
herring to throw the focus off of Charlene and on to Tuck,
which is where we've been more or less focusing in, and
distract us from Charlene's failures.

Charlene doesn't seem any where NEAR ready to be a 'big
sister' yet at this point, he's too focused on Jane and not yet
focused enough on internalizing what *Charlene* needs to
be\do.

Re: Charlene [message #2718] Mon, 01 November 2004 05:27 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Quote:

Charlene doesn't seem any where NEAR ready to be a 'big
sister' yet at this point, he's too focused on Jane and not yet
focused enough on internalizing what *Charlene* needs to
be\do.


I'd say it's more that Charlene is too adversarial. Not only that, but Charlene has complete disregard for the charade. Charlene is totally unafraid of being perceived as anything but completely feminine. Did Jane let Charlene get too comfortable or something? How long has Charlene been there?

Half of tuck's troubles could have been avoided if Charlene wouldn't have laughed at tuck through the door at the very beginning. That set her as an enemy rather than a friend. Then glaring at him didn't help. Later, saying "Oh, you just look so darling like that!" and laughing at Tuck didn't help either. Neither did Charlene laughing at him on another occasion. Then there was the stable incident where Charlene was the one to have the fit, not tuck like was supposed to happen. Not to mention, pushing Tuck off the stairs.

Charlene is also upset for having cried in front of people, but students are supposed to have learned that crying isn't a bad thing. Crying is actually encouraged. Charlene has had many of the signs of having "broken", but there's still something that keeps Charlene from being fully "cured".

Charlene is more concerned with making sure tuck gets what's coming to him. Kinda, almost, a revenge sort of thing. Charlene has NO desire to actually help tuck. This does NOT make for a good big sister, let alone a good person.

Now, when Art is called back to try to help with Charlene, will having Darla around as a new big sister for Tuck help Tuck adjust to things better? Will he immediately distrust the new girl? Or will he see her as someone kinda like Rachel? Will Darla let on that she knows about tuck's true gender, or will Jane use it as a way to threaten tuck with exposure?

[Updated on: Mon, 01 November 2004 05:28]

Re: Charlene [message #2719] Mon, 01 November 2004 05:36 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Doragoon wrote on Mon, 01 November 2004 10:27

Charlene is more concerned with making sure tuck gets what's coming to him. Kinda, almost, a revenge sort of thing. Charlene has NO desire to actually help tuck. This does NOT make for a good big sister, let alone a good person.


Uh... No. I think Charlene is depicted about right. It's always supposed to have been the process of being the Big Sister that produces the most important and positive changes in the student. And I think we may be starting to see this happen.


Rachel
Re: Charlene [message #2723] Tue, 02 November 2004 17:54 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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rachel.greenham wrote on Mon, 01 November 2004 04:36

Uh... No. I think Charlene is depicted about right. It's always supposed to have been the process of being the Big Sister that produces the most important and positive changes in the student. And I think we may be starting to see this happen.




Errr...yeah, if Tuck continues to be as needy as
he has been here, then we'll definately see someone
become the big sister, unless Ellen swings back to
the earlier version of things, which more or less
had Valerie become the big sister for Charlene...

As it stands now I have to disagree that Charlene
is in character (or at the least responding normally,)
OTOH I don't really recall seeing inside the heads
of any of the big sisters in the other 'Seasons' tales,
so the writing style used here, with Charlene's thoughts
being transparent to the readers might be throwing
me off a bit.

--iWindoze

Re: Charlene [message #2729] Thu, 04 November 2004 08:04 Go to previous message
LisaElizabeth  is currently offline LisaElizabeth
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Hi All!
Anyway, The rewrite of seasons seems to have dramatically altered Charlene's role!!
I agree that the purpose of becoming a 'Big Sister' is to teach the senior student that helping another in need is a good thing!! It shows by example that being a bully, thug, drug pusher, etc. is beyond what is acceptable in society at large.
In the first version, Charlene IS the big sister! She progresses from laughing at tuck to being a co-conspirator, to being a 'girlfriend' or just another one of the 'Pack' so to speak. At least from Val's point of view. Val treats her as she would Kim or Sabrina, etc... Heck Val even encourages Charlene's romance!!
If you go back to the original, Charlene goes through the Big Sister revalation just before Theresa arrives! At that point she completely relaxes and embraces her 'girl personna' and truly becomes Charlene!
Since Val doesn't like Theresa, Charlene is left to Mentor both of them! Although Val hardly needs the help of Charlene to be feminine!!
I think as far as the new version goes, you are jumping ahead! You need to give Ellen a chance to bring the story along a bit more before you decide where Charlene is! I mean, Val hasn't even made it to her first visit with Sandy yet!
Just my opinion!! Hope to post more!
LisaElizabeth
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