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Random Observations sparked by #108 [message #3130] Tue, 08 February 2005 23:56 Go to next message
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I've just read the latest Tuck (108, 'Paranoid Eyes')
and I noticed a few things which had me dragging out my
SoT-archive.rar and rereading a bit to recapture the
threads of plot. I noticed a few things...

1) Something BIG has been going on with Debbie lately
and since Tuck keeps over reacting to any contact\interaction
with her, no one has said anything.

Tuck 100, 'Mother Tucker'

Travis and I had taken a break, and after we'd blown off enough CO2
to let us breathe normally, we started kissing - which made me all
breathless again, though maybe for different reasons.
Maybe it was that I was breathing so hard through my nose.
*Hnnh?* I wondered and then flinched HARD as I realized who was
there behind me, and I very much regretted I'd left my pack in Travis'
truck; I had knives in it.
"I think you'd better get out of here," Debbie said in a dead tone.
"W-"
"I'm with friends you don't want to meet."
"Hey," Travis announced from above and behind me.
"Good evening," Debbie said politely to him, and then she turned
and walked away.



Tuck 102. 'Tuck A Cheap Shot'

When I came into Government class, Sabrina and Amanda both looked
at me guiltily. "Hey," Amanda said as she quickly put a smile on her
face.
"What are you two plotting?" I demanded.
"Wickedness," Sabrina claimed. "Are you working, still? Debbie
wasn't sure... and if I could tell her, you wouldn't have to."
"Oh." That made a lot of sense, even to my tired brain.
Eventually, anyway. "Yeah, I think so... At least today."



Then Later,


Tuck 102. 'Tuck A Cheap Shot'

"Debbie?" Kim asked. Guiltily, I thought.
I angrily affirmed, "Oh YEAH Debbie-"
"Look, I HAD to tell her," she explained quickly. "She's
officially your boss, and if you started talking about what you- uh, you
and her did, and stuff, then, um..."
"Then what?" Mike asked calmly when she wilted.
"Um...
"Thenwhat?!" I demanded.
"Well shit Tuck!" she complained, with a great deal of fear behind
it. "Your whole family is as psycho as you! I wanted to warn her in
case your mom or someone came after HER for dr- uh, this," she just
barely corrected.



Tuck 106, 'Let There Be More Light'

"Uh-boy," Debbie sighed as she saw the uniforms. "Looks like we've
got the city police to deal with too."
"Considering what happened to Tuck, I'm kind of glad they're here,"
Pam said as she put the parking brake and hazard lights on.
"Hey," Debbie said as she thought of something and turned around to
the rest of the kids in the car. "Anyone with ANYTHING illegal, ought
to leave it in the van when we get out. They might be doing searches."
A lot of blank looks was all she got. *Well, I tried...*



Tuck 108, 'Paranoid Eyes'

"God DAMN it!" Debbie snarled at the stall door, which sported yet
another of the abused-woman posters. *Hell, I fucking STARTED this and
I'm ready to kick someone's ass!* she fumed.
*Oh, crap, that means they were in HERE last night too,* she
realized, and that made her feel even worse.




It looks as if Debbie has either gotten herself hooked
on dr---, or is somehow otherwise involved with people
who are involved with them. I'd like to know what all
she's up to, and whether or not her current campaign
is truly for Tuck's benefit or merely an offshoot of
something she was already planning? Lots of unanswered
questions here. Who was she meeting that should not see
Tuck--that she didn't think TUCK wanted to be seen by?
What does Kim know, were Amanda and Sabrina discussing?
More intrestingly what was SHE doing at school that night?


2) What is it about the Parkers that we don't know, that is
especially dangerous to Tuck's secret coming out? How are they
special? or more of a risk?



Tuck 102, 'Tuck A Cheap Shot'


[After the babysitting is over Bill asks Tuck]

"Why the risk? Why there, of all places?"




Tuck 103, 'The Tuck Stops Here'

I shrugged. "That too, I guess; I don't watch much anyway..." He
was busy looking shocked at the concept though, so I continued, "He was
supposed to put it back after thera-"
"Therapy," she nodded, like that was completely normal.
I sighed, and gave that one up without a fight. "And, anyway, I
don't think he did until later. But I don't know, I was so tired, I
like slept almost twenty-four hours straight- and I NEVER do that, I
don't know what happened..."




Since Bill has obviously been doing background checks on
EVERYONE that Tuck OR Valerie knows, he seems to know that
the Parkers represent some kind of hidden danger--what?
Also Ms Parker is more than a little blase when Valerie
mentions therapy, especially given that this is a young
teenager to whom she has entrusted her children. Espeically
given Middle America's attitudes to those with 'issues' and
the distrust given to those who are 'crazy' enough to need
their head 'shrinked'.



3) The guy who bought the laptop HAD to have known it
was stolen or 'whatever' given that it was 1997 (1998?)
and you couldn't get ANYTHING good for less than $1000
on the desktop, nevermind trying to find a laptop for
less than that! Used or not. The guy who sold it had
to have known it would be traceable, given that he was
so eager to be rid of it. It sounds to me alike a case
of two people trying to con the other.


Tuck 106, 'Let There Be More Light'

"Just six hundred dollars?"
"Yeah, man, but I like NEED to get my car fixed; that's more
important than having this. I'm not using it as much as I thought I
would anyway."

-Later-

"Yeah, it's got over a thousand megabytes of memory, and- Hey,
check this out!"



Tuck 108, 'Paranoid Eyes'

"But I didn't DO anything! I just bought it from this guy this
weekend!" Brad burst out.
"Well, can you come down and make a statement to that effect? On
paper?"
"Yes!" He tried to think of his options, but the cop seemed to be
insinuating that the only way he WOULDN'T be spending the night in the
lockup, or LONGER, was if he went with them and made this statement.
And he was MORE than willing to do that at this point; he'd never even
seen the guy before, who had sold him the laptop over the weekend.
*Lawyer...*
"Wait," Brad said. "I don't need a lawyer if I come with you guys
and do this statement, right? I mean, I didn't do anything, and I
didn't know it was stolen."




I call bullshit! no one buys a (then) top of the line
laptop at $600.00 in 1997/98 and thinks that he got a
legit deal, he just thought there'd be no way for the
original owner to trace the laptop back to him.


I'd type more- but I've got a long over due phone call
to make to my parents and don't want to put it off any
longer, or else I'll be waking them up from bed.


--iWindoze, soon to be a bornagainpenguin
(13 days in Fedore Core 3 and counting!)

Re: Random Observations sparked by #108 [message #3132] Wed, 09 February 2005 03:38 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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The bit in Tuck 106 is far more easdily explained by the fact that Debbie's mom is a cop. Debbie would automatically expect a seartch *and* try to warn her friends about anything illegal they might be carrying.

Which, btw, includes *cigarettes* at their ages. And we have strong evidence of at least one girl with a drinking problem who is apt to have alcohol on her person.

Re: Random Observations sparked by #108 [message #3135] Wed, 09 February 2005 04:26 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Not to mention the Valium some of the girls were using in earlier episodes.

- Erin
Re: Random Observations sparked by #108 [message #3136] Wed, 09 February 2005 04:47 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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iWindoze wrote on Tue, 08 February 2005 20:56


1) Something BIG has been going on with Debbie lately
and since Tuck keeps over reacting to any contact\interaction
with her, no one has said anything.

Tuck 100, 'Mother Tucker'

"I think you'd better get out of here," Debbie said in a dead tone.
"W-"
"I'm with friends you don't want to meet."


Tuck interpreted this exchange as threatening, but I'm inclined to say that the reader shouldn't -- Val doesn't want to get "introduced" to anybody from McAllen who isn't aware of the situation, and as Tuck's employer Debbie doesn't want that to happen either. I know that's your point, that Tuck's been overreacting, but I can't see where this tells us anything about what Debbie is or isn't doing.

Tuck 102. 'Tuck A Cheap Shot'

When I came into Government class, Sabrina and Amanda both looked at me guiltily. "Hey," Amanda said as she quickly put a smile on her
face.
"What are you two plotting?" I demanded.
"Wickedness," Sabrina claimed. "Are you working, still? Debbie wasn't sure... and if I could tell her, you wouldn't have to."
"Oh." That made a lot of sense, even to my tired brain.
Eventually, anyway. "Yeah, I think so... At least today."

I'll admit I missed this one. But Sabrina's question and explanation for it, in Tuck's words, "made a lot of sense" -- though since neither of them is babysitting on a regular basis for Debbie it's not where I'd expect the question to come up. And I guess you're looking at the connection between "wickedness" and "Debbie" as suspicious. Still, if they're looking guiltily at Tuck, I'd expect him in particular to be relevant to whatever plan there was. And as manipulative as Debbie is, she wasn't able to make the Pack drop Val during the summer, and I can't see her getting Pack members to frame Tuck for something now.

Tuck 102. 'Tuck A Cheap Shot'

"Debbie?" Kim asked. Guiltily, I thought.
I angrily affirmed, "Oh YEAH Debbie-"
"Look, I HAD to tell her," she explained quickly. "She's
officially your boss, and if you started talking about what you- uh, you and her did, and stuff, then, um..."
"Then what?" Mike asked calmly when she wilted.
"Um...
"Thenwhat?!" I demanded.
"Well shit Tuck!" she complained, with a great deal of fear behind it. "Your whole family is as psycho as you! I wanted to warn her in case your mom or someone came after HER for dr- uh, this," she just barely corrected.

It seems to me that this works fine at face value. I can't see where Debbie has any reason to get revenge on Sarah Tucker; she got what she wanted out of their confrontation -- Tuck continuing to work for her. And if Debbie's afraid of Sarah "going unilateral" and thinks her life's in danger, she'd need immediate protection, not some elaborate plot against Tuck that wouldn't give her any leverage until it was too late.

Tuck 106, 'Let There Be More Light'

"Uh-boy," Debbie sighed as she saw the uniforms. "Looks like we've
got the city police to deal with too."
"Considering what happened to Tuck, I'm kind of glad they're here," Pam said as she put the parking brake and hazard lights on.
"Hey," Debbie said as she thought of something and turned around to the rest of the kids in the car. "Anyone with ANYTHING illegal, ought to leave it in the van when we get out. They might be doing searches."
A lot of blank looks was all she got. *Well, I tried...*

Again, I don't really see where there's any reason to take this beyond face value. Debbie may surmise that the Boyz have plans that police with arrest powers might interfere with. (Remember that as of the day before, Mike was talking about doing something "appropriate" for the dance, and he was adamant about not taking Kim there. Debbie doesn't necessarily know that Mike has called off the plot and that the reasons he gave Kim were his real feelings.) And Debbie's dealing mostly with freshmen here; it turns out they're naive rather than stupid, but as she said, she had to give them the warning.

Tuck 108, 'Paranoid Eyes'

"God DAMN it!" Debbie snarled at the stall door, which sported yet another of the abused-woman posters. *Hell, I fucking STARTED this and
I'm ready to kick someone's ass!* she fumed.
*Oh, crap, that means they were in HERE last night too,* she
realized, and that made her feel even worse.

"in HERE...too" seems to refer specifically to the women's lavatory; after all, she knew about their entering the building as soon as she saw the posters in public areas, and her original plan involved putting them up that night. It seems to me that there's way too much that's wrong with the theory that Debbie had been there also. For one thing, either THEY or TOO would be the emphatic word, not HERE, in that context. Second of all, as previously noted, Debbie can't be surprised that they sneaked into the building, since that was an essential part of the plan.

All in all, I can't see where there's a reason to blow a whistle on this one. It's possible...
00:16 1 Nov

“How do you keep going?” I complained. “Amphetamines.” Pause. “You’re kidding, right?” I asked. She snorted. “Yeah, I’m kidding. Just a party animal, I guess.”

...that Debbie's been hooked on pills from the start, and that the most efficient way for an enterpreneur like her to get them was to become a dealer. And that further, she's trying to frame Tuck as the mastermind in order to get herself (and Lisa, if she's involved, which she probably would be) off the hook.

But there's more working against that theory than for it, I think. As the daughter of a sheriff's deputy, it'd be especially dangerous for her to deal in drugs. Furthermore, I doubt that any supplier would want to deal with her on anything like a regular basis -- all she'd have to do to implicate her source(s) would be to mention it to her mother, without even leaving the house. I have trouble imagining the Pack as drug-runners; Debbie presumably knows enough of their secrets to threaten them into doing what she wants, but if she were doing so, she'd have used them against Tuck after the explosion in L.A.

And they wouldn't be doing it as a group for financial gain or Jill would be less concerned about losing her job. Amanda and Sabrina might, since they're self-sufficient and don't have to worry about mixing this with part-time work, and one or more of them or the others might because they're addicted to something, but it seems awfully hard for the Pack to keep anyone's ongoing secrets from spreading to the rest of the group. Even Tuck, with his lack of social knowledge, probably could have picked up something anomalous aften ten months worth of their sleepovers and almost as much time of fantasy gaming, or at least realize there was something they weren't telling.

iWindoze wrote on Tue, 08 February 2005 20:56

I'd like to know what all she's up to, and whether or not her current campaign is truly for Tuck's benefit or merely an offshoot of something she was already planning? Lots of unanswered questions here.

It wasn't something she was already planning. Debbie may be pursuing her own agenda here in addition to helping Tuck, but we know, from her own POV in the current third-person section, that she hadn't come up with any of this until Kim pointed out the problem after Tuck the day after Tuck was hospitalized.

I'll break this here...
Re: Random Observations sparked by #108 [message #3137] Wed, 09 February 2005 05:29 Go to previous message
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iWindoze wrote on Tue, 08 February 2005 20:56

Tuck 102, 'Tuck A Cheap Shot'

[After the babysitting is over Bill asks Tuck:]
"Why the risk? Why there, of all places?"

Tuck 103, 'The Tuck Stops Here'

I shrugged. "That too, I guess; I don't watch much anyway..." He
was busy looking shocked at the concept though, so I continued, "He was supposed to put it back after thera-"
"Therapy," she nodded, like that was completely normal.
I sighed, and gave that one up without a fight. "And, anyway, I don't think he did until later. But I don't know, I was so tired, I like slept almost twenty-four hours straight- and I NEVER do that, I don't know what happened..."


Since Bill has obviously been doing background checks on EVERYONE that Tuck OR Valerie knows, he seems to know that the Parkers represent some kind of hidden danger--what? Also Ms Parker is more than a little blase when Valerie mentions therapy, especially given that this is a young teenager to whom she has entrusted her children. Especially given Middle America's attitudes to those with 'issues' and the distrust given to those who are 'crazy' enough to need their head 'shrinked'.


"Why there, of all places," can be a literal question without the implication that "there" is particularly dangerous. Tuck seems to take it that way. (Or it could simply mean, why are you doing this five days a week at someplace where you can't afford a slip-up, as opposed to doing it more anonymously at a shopping mall or something?)

If Bill knew something threatening about the situation that Tuck didn't, he'd explain it to Tuck instead of asking an open-ended question. Then Bill would either tell Tuck that this is just too dangerous to the whole family and instruct him to back out, or ask Tuck if his decision still stands given the new evidence against it.

As to Miz Parker for not flinching when therapy is mentioned, for one thing, she thinks she KNOWS all about Val's problems, and can see where therapy might be helpful, without that factor changing her overall opinion of Val's capability. Secondly, I think that therapy's become almost SOP among middle class kids by now. While Tuck's friends who are in therapy don't spread the information around, I doubt that any of them would deny it if asked, unless it was someone like Bobby McPhearson or Frank Donner doing the asking. Tuck certainly seems more scared to talk about it than most of the people are who find out about it from him, even his peers.
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