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Sitting; the pack checks out Travis.

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OtherEric wrote on Mon, 01 August 2005 00:07

Standard reminder: this thread is to start discussion, not just to stand on it's own.

One problem is trying to avoid rehashing previous discussion topics when the chapters first came out. And for those of us who joined this forum within a year or two, it's hard to tell what was discussed....
Who are the official card carrying Pack members? My initial guess based upon the first sleepover with Debbie and gang were: Amanda, Kathy, Kim, Jill, Lisa, Pam and Sabrina. I bring this up because Julia is now involved at this point in the timeline because of her current social interactions with the Pack, in this case, the interrogation of Travis. I was wondering if Julia's considered a pack member or a just guest that joins in once in a while?
Recalling vengeance for Ellen, we also know some pack members were capable of social work of their own. I was also wondering which ones would be the ones to implement any "enforcement" activity. I can only guess Jill, Kathy and Debbie - but not quite sure if the personalities of the others could handle it.
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Well, "The Pack" isn't an official card-carrying sort of organization. In fact, I don't think that the girls in it call it 'The Pack' either... though I might have had one call it that once or twice accidentally. It's more Debbie's friends.


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lurker wrote on Mon, 01 August 2005 23:56

One problem is trying to avoid rehashing previous discussion topics when the chapters first came out. And for those of us who joined this forum within a year or two, it's hard to tell what was discussed...

So rehash? What's the problem? Feel free... I think I can trust that you won't be abused for 'rehashing'... and I can guarantee it won't happen more than once from any particular person.


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Ellen Hayes wrote on Mon, 01 August 2005 18:12

Well, "The Pack" isn't an official card-carrying sort of organization. In fact, I don't think that the girls in it call it 'The Pack' either... though I might have had one call it that once or twice accidentally. It's more Debbie's friends.


Though even that seems less certain now. After all, When Debbie and Tuck "broke up", the rest of the "Pack" went out of their way to stick with Tuck.

It looks to me that it may have started out as "Debbie's friends" but has taken on a life of its own as a "clique".

What will be the "true test" of the group's "clique-ness" will be what happens when the ones who are juniors & seniors "now" graduate.
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OtherEric wrote on Mon, 01 August 2005 00:07

1 August

Sitting; the pack checks out Travis.

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You know, that whole "checks out Travis" bit could be considered stalking or some such. Smile
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Brooke wrote on Mon, 01 August 2005 21:28

What will be the "true test" of the group's "clique-ness" will be what happens when the ones who are juniors & seniors "now" graduate.

If memory serves, all members of 'The Pack' and 'Da-Boyz' were present at school that friday morning to get their little brothers and sisters. Therefore all of them are juniors.
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A doozy of a therapy session; preparing for the trip.
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Ellen Hayes wrote on Mon, 01 August 2005 18:14

lurker wrote on Mon, 01 August 2005 23:56

One problem is trying to avoid rehashing previous discussion topics when the chapters first came out. And for those of us who joined this forum within a year or two, it's hard to tell what was discussed...

So rehash? What's the problem? Feel free... I think I can trust that you won't be abused for 'rehashing'... and I can guarantee it won't happen more than once from any particular person.

I really can't imagine anybody being annoyed- at most, they might point those of us who weren't around for the beginning to some of the older discussions. In any case, as near as I can tell the forum didn't start unitl sometime around the release of chapter 89, which is around the begining of September.
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Camping, Day 1

And, after I ask for comments, we then get a week of pretty similar entries. (A couple have more details, but this shows the general tenor of the entries.)
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maltor wrote on Mon, 01 August 2005 23:00

If memory serves, all members of 'The Pack' and 'Da-Boyz' were present at school that friday morning to get their little brothers and sisters. Therefore all of them are juniors.

Depends on whether or not Lisa's a Pack member; she's a junior, but at Red Bluff, so she wasn't present then and we haven't met a Little for her.
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maltor wrote on Tue, 02 August 2005 07:00

If memory serves, all members of 'The Pack' and 'Da-Boyz' were present at school that friday morning to get their little brothers and sisters. Therefore all of them are juniors.


Mmm.. What about the littlies...is Kelly a member of 'The Pack'? She has been welcome to at least one sleepover.
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lurker wrote on Mon, 01 August 2005 15:56

Who are the official card carrying Pack members? My initial guess based upon the first sleepover with Debbie and gang were: Amanda, Kathy, Kim, Jill, Lisa, Pam and Sabrina. I bring this up because Julia is now involved at this point in the timeline because of her current social interactions with the Pack, in this case, the interrogation of Travis. I was wondering if Julia's considered a pack member or just a guest that joins in once in a while?

Is it fair to say that the Pack is the primary social alliance for all of the above (including Debbie)? (Except Lisa -- we don't know whether she has a comparable group at Red Bluff.)

If so, we can exclude Julia from full membership because I think the Pack clearly isn't her primary social group.

lurker, continued

Recalling vengeance for Ellen, we also know some pack members were capable of social work of their own. I was also wondering which ones would be the ones to implement any "enforcement" activity. I can only guess Jill, Kathy and Debbie - but not quite sure if the personalities of the others could handle it.

I'm not sure how covertly Kathy can operate. (She's also easy for hostiles to identify.)
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Camping, Day 2, with rain.
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karen_page wrote on Wed, 03 August 2005 04:43

maltor wrote on Tue, 02 August 2005 07:00

If memory serves, all members of 'The Pack' and 'Da-Boyz' were present at school that friday morning to get their little brothers and sisters. Therefore all of them are juniors.


Mmm.. What about the littlies...is Kelly a member of 'The Pack'? She has been welcome to at least one sleepover.

Kelly is an aberration. She wasn't invited to that sleepover so much as she invited herself over. She wouldn't have been included if she hadn't invited herself to the Sunday morning breakfasts, which in turn led to her knowing about Valerie and Tuck, Mike, Jill and Kim knowing she's a lesbian. Because of all this, she was the only little in the basement for the TUCK BIOLOGY 101 presentation that Sarah gave.

So I'd have to say the other littles are not members of either group, but are instead initiates/pledges (or whatever you want to call them) pending them proving their worth, reliability and resourcefulness. Being an aberration I'd have to say Kelly was an auxiliary member of Da-Boyz rather than The Pack so that Tuck and Mike can keep an eye on her.
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maltor wrote on Thu, 04 August 2005 01:50


Kelly is an aberration. She wasn't invited to that sleepover so much as she invited herself over. She wouldn't have been included if she hadn't invited herself to the Sunday morning breakfasts, which in turn led to her knowing about Valerie and Tuck, Mike, Jill and Kim knowing she's a lesbian. Because of all this, she was the only little in the basement for the TUCK BIOLOGY 101 presentation that Sarah gave.

So I'd have to say the other littles are not members of either group, but are instead initiates/pledges (or whatever you want to call them) pending them proving their worth, reliability and resourcefulness. Being an aberration I'd have to say Kelly was an auxiliary member of Da-Boyz rather than The Pack so that Tuck and Mike can keep an eye on her.


And Jill is rapidly becoming one of Da Boyz. Only fair, I suppose since Val is a member of the Pack. Smile

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Brooke wrote on Thu, 04 August 2005 12:32

And Jill is rapidly becoming one of Da Boyz. Only fair, I suppose since Val is a member of the Pack. Smile

Actually, I think the Pack is probably best defined as "Val and her female friends" right now. Which is not the definition that fit at the beginning. But, like Ellen said, it's not the name the girls normally use for themselves. I think the working definition has changed.
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Re: Today In Tuck History: August (WARNING: May Contain Spoilers!) [message #4016] Fri, 05 August 2005 19:57 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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OtherEric wrote on Fri, 05 August 2005 00:00

Actually, I think the Pack is probably best defined as "Val and her female friends" right now. Which is not the definition that fit at the beginning. But, like Ellen said, it's not the name the girls normally use for themselves. I think the working definition has changed.

Just nit thoughts...
When this story began, it started with Tuck's perspective that Debbie had control and was the leader of this group. After the convention trip and break-up it looks like Kathy has become the "moral" leader of the group, and Debbie basically uses her political machinations to influence the group whenever she can. Otherwise Tuck would have been socially dead on his return from the convention. When I noted in my earlier post that Julia was with the group that interrogated Travis, it dawned on me that maybe this was a clique casual enough to include new members as long as they could be trusted with personal secrets of the MAD variety. In the case of Julia, the secret of her father; Kelly, her sexuality. Of course, I don't know what it is about Sabrina or Amanda, but there's probably something. I was just trying to figure how such a group, which did their own social work, would evolve where Julia became included.
From what I understand, Tuck, Mike and da Boyz coalesced as a group as a form of geek survival and used their strengths of technical intelligence to fight back when opportunity presents itself. For Tuck to have some fear of the Pack in the beginning, there must have been some reputation of them he respected.

I wonder how much Ellen sorted all this characterization out before the first chapter of Tuck was written...or if she just threw RPG dice before each chapter draft.

There's a real world out there but Tuck has sucked me in. I think I need to get a life ... Sad
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Camping, Day 4, including the start of the mission.
Re: Today In Tuck History: August (WARNING: May Contain Spoilers!) [message #4018] Sat, 06 August 2005 11:26 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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lurker wrote on Sat, 06 August 2005 00:57

I wonder how much Ellen sorted all this characterization out before the first chapter of Tuck was written...


Rather more than you think, I bet.
IIRC, I'd written fifteen or so episodes of Tuck before I posted the first one... and plotted out a whoooooooole lot more.
Not that the little hooligans have stuck to the plot.


lurker wrote on Sat, 06 August 2005 00:57

or if she just threw RPG dice before each chapter draft.


Bah! You offend me! *grabs stick and chases the offending lurker offline temporarily*

The closest I've gotten to randomness is a program someone is developing for me that does random people: names, descriptions, birthdays, etc. And I JUST got that.
(and it's still in alpha-test, so don't ask)

Besides, there isn't a set of tables in existence that would have come up with this crowd...


lurker wrote on Sat, 06 August 2005 00:57

There's a real world out there but Tuck has sucked me in. I think I need to get a life ...


Why? Lives are difficult and icky. In Tuck, we can skip over the icky bits like actually scrubbing the toilet, and just note that it happened. =)


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Amazingly enough, I was doing the camping episodes looooong before I had gotten to that point in the story. I knew I had to do some research, and oy! Did I do some research! Possibly not enough - it's not IMO possible to do 'enough' research for any particular topic - but quite a lot.

Even going to the point of finding camping gear that they'd love to buy if it had existed in that year... and then finding out what had existed when they went camping, versus what existed when I was writing the episode some years later.
Photon II Microlight being right up there at the top... those are keen. But not historical. =)


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Ellen Hayes wrote on Sat, 06 August 2005 08:26

lurker wrote on Sat, 06 August 2005 00:57

I wonder how much Ellen sorted all this characterization out before the first chapter of Tuck was written...


Rather more than you think, I bet.
IIRC, I'd written fifteen or so episodes of Tuck before I posted the first one... and plotted out a whoooooooole lot more.
Not that the little hooligans have stuck to the plot.


That's the mark of good writer from what I hear. The characters get rather uppity and insist on doing what *they* want to do...
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Last day of camp; including shower hijinx.

Mayby it's just me, but after I first read the story I realized that I had started to think of Tuck as female, as least as far as pronoun choice and such. It's a large part of why I try not to use pronouns with Tuck- that oversimplifies things. More to the point, when I looked back I realized it was pretty much around here, when Tuck doesn't react to getting hit on by the people at the campground, where my perception changed. Any body else have a similar reaction, or is it just me?
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Well, I sort of read that bit as Tuck reacting later ("I just want to go home and sleep" etc @ 14:31 10 Aug). He doesn't *realize* at first that they thought he was a girl.

As far as I can recall, there are *no* instances of Tuck in Tuck mode getting taken for a girl that he doesn't react to if he catches them.

Sometimes he doesn't.

Which is why, even though he seems to like being Val, I'm a bit ambivalent about the idea of Tuck becoming Val full time. He might decide he can't live that way.

But I *do* think it'd do him good to try living full time for some set period. If nothing else, it'd give him a baseline for making decisions.

Of course, the fact that if he does do the RLT thing, that means Shiela could help him solve a few of his current hard to solve problems (Driver's license & the Parkers).

It also means Val would have to deal with some "new" problems. Like school.
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Baking cookies while sitting; a date with Travis where we see Tuck can learn from Tuck's mistakes...
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Brooke wrote on Wed, 10 August 2005 17:05

Well, I sort of read that bit as Tuck reacting later ("I just want to go home and sleep" etc @ 14:31 10 Aug). He doesn't *realize* at first that they thought he was a girl.

Well, I agree a fair bit. I was just talking about where my perception of Tuck shifted. And I agree that it's not the full story- which is why I work so hard to avoid pronouns with Tuck most of the time.
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OtherEric wrote on Thu, 11 August 2005 00:14

Brooke wrote on Wed, 10 August 2005 17:05

Well, I sort of read that bit as Tuck reacting later ("I just want to go home and sleep" etc @ 14:31 10 Aug). He doesn't *realize* at first that they thought he was a girl.

Well, I agree a fair bit. I was just talking about where my perception of Tuck shifted. And I agree that it's not the full story- which is why I work so hard to avoid pronouns with Tuck most of the time.



You can say a lot of things about Tuck and his(generic his) life. Saying that either is "simple" (as in "not complex") is *not* one of them.

I'm sometimes amazed that *Tuck* can keep track of his/her life.

[Updated on: Fri, 12 August 2005 03:04]

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Camping question: The four "black swimsuits" that Val bought with Amy, Mike, Kim and Dan on July 24 and "those leotard things" that Amy was carrying for Tuck on August 5: same thing, right?

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Eric wrote on Thu, 11 August 2005 23:36

Camping question: The four "black swimsuits" that Val bought with Amy, Mike, Kim and Dan on July 24 and "those leotard things" that Amy was carrying for Tuck on August 5: same thing, right?


Only Ellen can say for sure, but that's my guess.

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Sitting with Amy; a date with Travis, Amy, and Val.
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Tuck notices that George, having been away, has gotten bigger and stronger.

George, of course, hasn't seen Tuck's physical development over the same period of time. But since George sees Valerie first when he returns rather than Tuck, there's no major reaction from him about that after Val changes back to Tuck. (He does wonder, though, whether Tuck was wearing makeup in a camping photo, which would suggest -- since he wasn't -- that Tuck does look more feminine than George expected.)

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Eric wrote on Sat, 13 August 2005 04:07

Tuck notices that George, having been away, has gotten bigger and stronger.

George, of course, hasn't seen Tuck's physical development over the same period of time. But since George sees Valerie first when he returns rather than Tuck, there's no major reaction from him about that after Val changes back to Tuck. (He does wonder, though, whether Tuck was wearing makeup in a camping photo, which would suggest -- since he wasn't -- that Tuck does look more feminine than George expected.)


Well, keep in mind that Tuck is dressing to hide his breasts and other female characteristics. So there's nothing *to* notice.

And in Val mode, while the changes show, George has no way of knowing how much is padding and how much is Tuck.

In short, George isn't going to see any changes that he'll attritube to Tuck's *body* changing.
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Sitting with phone installation; goodbye to Amy; school shoping.
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Schedule repair; meeting the Littles; talking with Mrs. Parker; a night with everybody.
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Therapy; a chance encounter in the mall turns interesting; an evening with Travis.
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Ok, I've been told recently in private by a couple people that they just ignore this thread- and by one that they've been avoiding Tuckerspawn because of it. The way I post these apparently does very annoying things if you use the Tree view, it seems.

My question is, does anybody else feel this way? I know several people do enjoy this, but I don't want a few people liking it at the expense of annoying others. And driving soembody away utterly defeats my stated purpose of trying to get more conversation going. So, what do people think?
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No matter what you do, somebody will dislike it.

I suppose I could create a new forum just for these threads but I thought that would be counterproductive and there are already too many forums. Also, I'd have to figure out how to move a thread from one forum to another. Smile

I like this. Ellen approved it. If you're willing, I think it should stay right here, more than once it has provoked me into re-reading a favorite episode.

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OtherEric wrote on Tue, 16 August 2005 16:42

Ok, I've been told recently in private by a couple people that they just ignore this thread- and by one that they've been avoiding Tuckerspawn because of it. The way I post these apparently does very annoying things if you use the Tree view, it seems.

My question is, does anybody else feel this way? I know several people do enjoy this, but I don't want a few people liking it at the expense of annoying others. And driving soembody away utterly defeats my stated purpose of trying to get more conversation going. So, what do people think?


People actually use the Tree view on this site? I don't understand how anyway one can stand to read any of thread, regardless this one with Tree view. It's useless. All it does is list a message title. To read a message you have to click on each individual title to read the message. Click once on a topic on Flat view to see 40 messages per page or click 40 times to read what one could get with a single click... It's a no brainer for me.

Just because a few apparently vocal people want to do things the hard way doesn't mean you should change what you are doing. I for one like it the way things are.
Re: Today In Tuck History: August (WARNING: May Contain Spoilers!) [message #4087] Tue, 16 August 2005 23:55 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Well, I'm going to try and make one small change on future posts, but otherwise leave things as is: I'm going to change the date in the topic when I post a new day's entry. One of the people I was talking with thinks it will help, and it shouldn't bother anybody.

Thanks for your support, I appreciate it.
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17 August

Kelly shows up at breakfast; Sunday Dinner.
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Erin Halfelven wrote on Tue, 16 August 2005 22:08

I suppose I could create a new forum just for these threads but I thought that would be counterproductive and there are already too many forums.


No there aren't. Are you running into software limits?


Ellen
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Ellen Hayes wrote on Wed, 17 August 2005 10:27

Erin Halfelven wrote on Tue, 16 August 2005 22:08

I suppose I could create a new forum just for these threads but I thought that would be counterproductive and there are already too many forums.


No there aren't. Are you running into software limits?


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Yes there are. I have to scroll-down to see them all, to see if there are any new postings. And this isn't a small monitor.

Of course, if this forum had RSS support... Smile


Rachel
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That's what I meant by too many forums, too. More than can be seen at one time.

- Erin
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18 August

Back to school; afternoon sitting begins; a lot of phone activity.

It's really this week after camp that we get the final ramp-up in just how information we get on a given date in the story.
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19 August

School continues, with game at lunch; sitting; and Susan investigates Travis before Val's date.
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20 August

School; Game; planning revenge; sitting; Sabrina needs some help.

I apologize for missing the big item in yesterday's entry; as I was writing it in a hurry: We learn something about Kelly.
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August 20th has probably my favourite quote

Quote:

"French is a language specifically designed by people who hate the rest of humanity," Dad said, "and-"

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21 August

Nightmares; a "talk" with Debbie at school; unwanted attention at the game; a date with Travis.
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karen_page wrote on Sat, 20 August 2005 17:44

August 20th has probably my favourite quote
Quote:

"French is a language specifically designed by people who hate the rest of humanity," Dad said, "and-"




However, Bill apparently hasn't looked at Welsh... as far as I can tell, when it came time to write local languages down, the people doing Wales looked at written French and said, "Man, I can fuck this language up TEN times worse than THEY did!"


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Ellen Hayes wrote on Sun, 21 August 2005 09:56

karen_page wrote on Sat, 20 August 2005 17:44

August 20th has probably my favourite quote
Quote:

"French is a language specifically designed by people who hate the rest of humanity," Dad said, "and-"




However, Bill apparently hasn't looked at Welsh... as far as I can tell, when it came time to write local languages down, the people doing Wales looked at written French and said, "Man, I can fuck this language up TEN times worse than THEY did!"


Ellen
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Actually I'm informed Welsh is very logical. The thing is, it's a sibilant language and uses phonemes that aren't represented in English, but economics (typewriters) meant that it had to be represented using the latin alphabet. So they repurposed some, and used some in combination. The confusion probably comes when you try to read the Welsh with English phonetics.

The really fucked-up one is Irish. Bill Bailey (UK comedian) in a standup routine which had the following sung as if it was part of an Irish ballad:

"Oh the English came and jumbled up the letters
But our brave Irish lads made it into a word."

(I only heard it once, so it might not be verbatim.)


Rachel
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22 August

Nightmares; Dobson watches the game; Dinner with Rachel.
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Ellen Hayes wrote on Sun, 21 August 2005 01:56

karen_page wrote on Sat, 20 August 2005 17:44

August 20th has probably my favourite quote
Quote:

"French is a language specifically designed by people who hate the rest of humanity," Dad said, "and-"




However, Bill apparently hasn't looked at Welsh... as far as I can tell, when it came time to write local languages down, the people doing Wales looked at written French and said, "Man, I can fuck this language up TEN times worse than THEY did!"



Consider Gaelic. For example, Siobhan is prouncerd (more or less) "sha-vaughn". And that's one of the *easier* ones.

Blame the English for forcing them to use an alphabet not well suited to their languages.

Actually, both Welsh and the various sorts of Gaelic are very phonetic. It's just that the sounds that go with the letter combos aren't the ones an English speaker would expect.

Bill ought to try Xhosa. It has such lovely phonenes as the "inhaled click". I've heard someone recite a Xhosa phrase that is (according to the folks at Guiness) the worlds hardest tongue twister. It's got three or four of those inhaled clicks.

It sounded like she was strangling. Or at least trying to swallow her tongue. Sideways. Smile

Humans and their languages are *weird*.
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Is that the inhaled click that sounds like a hiccough or the one that sounds like a gargle gone tragically wrong? Smile

- Erin
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More like the hiccough as I recall.
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23 August

Therapy; Deep Hack Mode; a double date with Val & Travis, Kim & Mike.
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