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Tuck 113 [message #4348] Sat, 24 December 2005 15:55 Go to next message
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Ooh, ooh. So I get to start a thread, because there's a new story up and I noticed it first.

But I haven't finished reading it yet. Sad

Amy!
Re: Tuck 113 [message #4349] Sat, 24 December 2005 17:56 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Amy! wrote on Sat, 24 December 2005 20:55

But I haven't finished reading it yet.


I have!


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Re: Tuck 113 [message #4350] Sat, 24 December 2005 18:44 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Ellen Hayes wrote on Sat, 24 December 2005 17:56

Amy! wrote on Sat, 24 December 2005 20:55

But I haven't finished reading it yet.


I have!



*snort*

So have I, now.

So, what the he** are Debbie and Lisa doing at that place at that time?

For that matter, what do you suppose today's posters are like? (not you, Ellen ...)

And it's kinda cool that Kelly's working with them. I think Brian's starting to get weirded out, though ....

And what's up with Rachel and Travis?

And how many more questions can I write without embedding spoilers? *laugh*

Amy!
Re: Tuck 113 [message #4351] Sat, 24 December 2005 20:45 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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You forgot "Just whose trash is it that they raided?"

The "he's the only one in the house that drinks it" makes me think that they were framing someone. But the question is *who*?
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Mmmmm.... what a wonderful Christmas present. Thank you, Ellen.

As for as the trash goes, I am definitely with Brooke there. That was my first thought when Brian mentioned the trash bag.

-r
Re: Tuck 113 [message #4353] Sun, 25 December 2005 05:58 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Probably no big deal, but the text seems to break in midsentence:
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Lisa held in the anger, but it hurt. She wanted to get the hell out of there, and even though she'd been watching the parking lot for five minutes and she couldn't see anything
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*Shit, it IS Debbie,* Brian wondered, watching the two girls come out of the building from his new spot twenty meters away from the door.[...]

Ellen, did we lose anything significant?
Re: Tuck 113 [message #4354] Sun, 25 December 2005 07:16 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Eric wrote on Sun, 25 December 2005 10:58

Ellen, did we lose anything significant?

No, but I don't feel good at all.
Major Error Count(113)=2


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DSQ: Night Shift [message #4355] Sun, 25 December 2005 18:07 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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So Jill gets included in the DSQ: Night Shift and Kim goes ballistic over why she isn't included or even told what she's excluded from. It isn't really that she isn't trustworthy (which may also be true, some people can't keep this kind of secret), it's just that everyone is safer the fewer who know the secret. But she cannot or will not acknowledge this.

I think it may be significant that no one really addressed Kim's upset--again.

Another interesting thing is happening. As members of the DSQ:NS have had to drop out, others are added/recruited but with Bryan and Kelly, there has been a "generational" shift; the potential is now there for this to continue for years.

The shifting command is interesting, too. From the co-command of Mike-Tuck, to just Mike, to George, to Dan--smoothly done with hardly a bobble. Military organizations around the world should have such clockwork, fine-grained command devolvement.

Even discovering another unknown Black Ops team in the area did not disrupt the mission. And look who is showing command potential--Bryan! Besides handling unexpected complications, when Kelly gets upset, Bryan smooths it over as well as Mike could or better.

Anyone want to amplify or correct these observations, jump in. Smile

[Updated on: Sun, 25 December 2005 18:11]

Re: Tuck 113 [message #4356] Sun, 25 December 2005 22:11 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Brooke wrote on Sat, 24 December 2005 20:45

You forgot "Just whose trash is it that they raided?"

The "he's the only one in the house that drinks it" makes me think that they were framing someone. But the question is *who*?


Who's pissed them off recently? The previous chapters aren't fresh enough in my mind to really say, but there's gotta be something...
Re: Tuck 113 [message #4357] Sun, 25 December 2005 23:31 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Luthien wrote on Sun, 25 December 2005 19:11

Brooke wrote on Sat, 24 December 2005 20:45

You forgot "Just whose trash is it that they raided?"

The "he's the only one in the house that drinks it" makes me think that they were framing someone. But the question is *who*?


Who's pissed them off recently? The previous chapters aren't fresh enough in my mind to really say, but there's gotta be something...


Too many possibilities.

Travis (not likely, but possible)

Someone at Lisa's school.

One of the Jocks

Tom Leinich(sp)

and probably others I've forgotten
Re: Tuck 113 [message #4358] Mon, 26 December 2005 01:17 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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They're planting the cans of whatever at Tuck's school so it's unlikely to be anyone from Lisa's school, including Travis.

I suspect it is the people who beat up on Tuck. And maybe not all boys. This could backfire if any of the chosen victims have ironclad alibis for whatever mischief was done.

- Erin
Re: Tuck 113 [message #4359] Mon, 26 December 2005 12:39 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Debbie and Lisa are probably trying to frame Kyle since he is the one mentioned when Ginger over heard those two cheerleaders talking in the restroom. Kim may have told Debbie what Ginger over heard before or after visiting Tuck and Mike.

Re: Tuck 113 [message #4360] Mon, 26 December 2005 12:45 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Brian now knows (or has enough of a clue to guess) what name his brother uses when dressed as a girl. Don't know if this is good, bad or indifferent.
Re: Tuck 113 [message #4361] Mon, 26 December 2005 16:15 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Debbie's the one planting the can (in somebody's locker?). My guess is that it's tied to her previously wanting to move one of the phone taps to someone other than the jocks/cheerleaders that Da Boyz had targeted. I suppose Tom Lenich is a possibility -- having dated him, Debbie probably has firsthand knowledge of his beverage of choice. But it seems clear that this isn't petty revenge, given her thoughts about the wrongness of what she's doing.

As Josea noted, Kyle Dawson, as the only attacker that Ginger implicated, is the other logical target, unless he's still in jail.

(Could the can be some kind of creatine supplement that'd get one of the jocks suspended from the football team? It probably would have been typical in that time and place to condone or even encourage the use of enhancements, but to make sure it wasn't being done on the school grounds.)

It's that "WRONGNESS" (Ellen's caps) point that makes me wonder if, instead, Debbie's trying to implicate someone who's on her side, for some reason tied to her overall scheme. (One thought I had was that she was trying to create the impression that Tuck was well enough to be infiltrating the school at night, but there are about a thousand things wrong with that, starting with the fact that Debbie wouldn't dare show up outside the Tucker property sifting through their garbage, or likely live to tell about it if she did.)

It's definitely possible -- maybe even likely -- that Debbie's operation is a stopgap measure to keep the pressure building in light of her assumption that Dan's posters wouldn't be going up that night.

Eric
Re: Tuck 113 [message #4362] Mon, 26 December 2005 18:33 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Yah. Smile Ellen xertainly did some origami with the plot on this one, huh? When it unfolds, we can see if it's a swan or a claymore mine. Smile

- Erin
Re: Tuck 113 [message #4363] Tue, 27 December 2005 04:52 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Josea wrote on Mon, 26 December 2005 11:45

Brian now knows (or has enough of a clue to guess) what name his brother uses when dressed as a girl. Don't know if this is good, bad or indifferent.



When I read it, I read Brian's comment, "Like plastic grocery bags... one's a trash bag." and it made me think that they brought some other supplies as well as the trash.

It's obvious that Debbie didn't think da Boys had made it out to put up posters. I was under the impression that she was spray painting the building, spraying something similar to what is on the posters. At least that's how I read the statement about Debbie looking at the can in her hand, which I inferred to be a spray paint can, and why she felt the sickness or WRONGNESS when looking at her hand -- it was the sickness people felt when looking at the posters.

I believe that the trash, or at least the key parts of it, were left to incriminate someone. The obvious thought is it would be one of the jocks, maybe Kyle, though possibly also the Coach, who had been known to support the jocks previously. He had previously either looked the other way when the jocks harrassed Tuck and friends or included everyone equally in the punishment regardless of what actually happened. In many ways the problems in the school are, in part, because of the Coach's actions.

[Updated on: Tue, 27 December 2005 04:52]

Re: Tuck 113 [message #4364] Tue, 27 December 2005 05:57 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Raadsel wrote on Tue, 27 December 2005 01:52

I believe that the trash, or at least the key parts of it, were left to incriminate someone. The obvious thought is it would be one of the jocks, maybe Kyle, though possibly also the Coach, who had been known to support the jocks previously. He had previously either looked the other way when the jocks harrassed Tuck and friends or included everyone equally in the punishment regardless of what actually happened. In many ways the problems in the school are, in part, because of the Coach's actions.

But it's the coach who's been talking about suspending the season because of what's happening, and who prevented the players from taking the first poster in stride as they were originally inclined to do. What's more, Debbie knows about that and has been passing along the information in her word-of-mouth campaign. So I can't see her trying to incriminate him or make him an adversary. (On the other hand, trying to make it appear to the coach that some of his players are anonymously threatening him, in order to force his hand on cancelling the season, would be a possibility.)

I'd guess that it'd be too much of a coincidence for Debbie to have been talking about an apparently potentially-incriminating drink can among the garbage she grabbed, and then to have a spray-paint can in her hand while she's working with that same garbage later. Also, Tuck found out a couple of months ago that it's difficult for a teenager in this community to buy spray paint, at least on the spur of the moment. If tonight's incursion isn't something that Debbie has been planning in advance, she'd be unlikely to have come up with any.
Re: Tuck 113 [message #4365] Tue, 27 December 2005 06:03 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Josea wrote on Mon, 26 December 2005 09:45

Brian now knows (or has enough of a clue to guess) what name his brother uses when dressed as a girl.

I was a little surprised that Audrey knew it. Kelly originally told them that her big sister called herself Tuck or Tucker.
Re: Tuck 113 [message #4368] Mon, 09 January 2006 15:41 Go to previous message
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I. too, was suprised that Audrey knew Valerie. I am also suprised that Sabrina's parents know that she is getting tutoring at Valerie Tucker's house. Seems like more and more people are disassociating Tuck and Valerie. Lisa certainly has. This is definitely going to create a trail that is easy to follow.

There are a few other things that I was hoping would get some discussion.

1. The envelope on Jody's desk. Is this the apology that did not get delivered or, judging by her crumbling emotional status, a suicide note?

2. Little has been said concerning the hearsay evidence of a premeditated assault from Ginger. I'm not an attorney but I think that kind of evidence would result in increasing the charges from assault and battery to attempted murder. At the very least, it should move the "degree" of charges up a notch or two. As far as "hearsay" goes, I bet an experienced interrogator could get one of the two girls to admit what she was told and by whom.
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