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icon6.gif  Chapter 114 [message #4369] Sun, 22 January 2006 13:15 Go to next message
Hart
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Whoa, duuude...

I am the first one to notice a new chapter and read it, for once? Or at least be vocal about it.

Mmmm... tasty. Much fun to be had.

-r
Re: Chapter 114 [message #4370] Sun, 22 January 2006 13:45 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Renee Mc  is currently offline Renee Mc
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While there was even more meandering through multiple points of view than usual lately, we did get solid information out of it. And then... we hit the Jackpot! Kelly's confrontation with Natalie is so perfect it could be mass distributed to high school GLBT groups and used as a "How to Come Out to an Asshole" pamphlet. The aftermath is beautiful as well but this is going to the #1 slot on my Best non-Tuck Tuck moments list.


-Renee


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Re: Chapter 114 [message #4371] Sun, 22 January 2006 19:20 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Sir Lee  is currently offline Sir Lee
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Lots os spoilers here, skip if you haven't read #114 yet...

Man, just how far is Debbie willing to go? Propaganda warfare is one thing, and even sabotaging the pep rally by faked memos (which I gather was planned by her and executed by Dan & Co.) could be seen as not much more than a prank... but outright vandalism is quite a bit beyond that. If caught, she (and Lisa) could get in a lot of trouble. And she did that KNOWING that the police was watching the school, yet...

On another tack, in this chapter we have seen more direct evidence (there were hints before) that there are other, unknown parties involved in the propaganda war. The "suddenly-appearing poster" in the bathroom is the cincher.

Also, the general student body is picking up on the opportunity to have a bit of revenge on the self-proclaimed "elite" of the school (jocks and cheerleaders). This could mean that, besides adding pressure to the situation (forcing a resolution), the propaganda is also making it more socially acceptable to openly confront the selfsame "elite". They even are emulating a gesture coming from the "geeks," that is, the geeks are suddenly... well, not cool, but a bit cooler than before.

Notice also the looming cloud over Jody. Ginger and Mary apparently think she might be suicidal; I wonder if they will bother to tell anyone?

Oh, yes, the Kelly thing. Man, did she tell off those bitches or what? James seemed quite disappointed, though; he might have a bit of a crush on Kelly.

Sir Lee


[Updated on: Sun, 22 January 2006 19:21]


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Re: Chapter 114 [message #4372] Mon, 23 January 2006 01:43 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Eric  is currently offline Eric
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Not all that much to add to Sir Lee's comments, especially since I've only read it once. But Debbie's plan almost has to be premeditated as opposed to the short-notice pressure-enhancer (in the presumed absence of new posters) that I assumed before. If true, that suggests that Sarah Tucker knew it was going to happen, since they'd been over the whole overall strategy in detail. It might even have been her idea; somehow that kind of vandalism seems more late-60s-anarchist than 90s-reactionary.

(Credit Raadsel, in the 113 thread, for recognizing the spray paint can while some (most?) of us took Ellen's bait and were assuming Debbie was holding a canned drink out of the garbage. I still think that Debbie's possession of spray paint supports the theory that this incident was planned in advance, since Tuck has shown us that it's difficult for a teenager to buy the stuff. On the other hand, Debbie and Lisa have been pranking school buildings for at least a year now, and could have had it lying around from previous plots.)

Eric
Re: Chapter 114 [message #4377] Mon, 23 January 2006 13:53 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Raadsel  is currently offline Raadsel
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Thanks for the credit, Eric! With the way she looked at the can in her hand and felt the wrongness is what made me feel it had to be something like a spray paint can. I'm still making the assumption that the drink cans were left to set someone up and I have the feeling she doesn't feel guilt for setting that person up. Also, if they went to the trouble of getting the cans it doesn't make sense that they'd hold them and risk smudging the prints. Yet we are still wondering, who she is framing?

As for spray paint, while Tuck couldn't go into a Wal-Mart and buy it, in chapter 41 Tuck mentions that they have gotten spray, when they need it, through Dan. Dan apparently uses the excuse of needing it for his art. Debbie seemingly has sources for just about anything because of her business. I'm assuming that she would have sources to buy spray paint and likely had some on hand(both for business and pranks).

I hadn't even thought of the attack on the band room being planned, yet find it hard to argue with. Between the comments Debbie has been making to band members over the past week, along with the fact that this feels like a 60's radical op, supports the idea of a plan. I'm just curious, with the school seemingly ready to explode, to see what happens next.

[Updated on: Mon, 23 January 2006 13:55]

Re: Chapter 114 [message #4378] Mon, 23 January 2006 16:33 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Bianca  is currently offline Bianca
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I'm surprised noone has mentioned yet, but I believe we are starting to see Debbie's endgame, or at least the first stages of it.

I believe that the attack on the music department (and Debbie's fear-mongering of the members of the music department leading up to it) were not orchestrated to outrage the music department, but rather to provoke other groups to act out of fear of the same thing happening to them. The more fearful the music department members are, the more outraged they will be with the attack, and therefore, the more fearful that will make the other student groups with a lot to lose in a similar attack.

I'm not sure if Julia's theatre department was the primary target of the music department attack, or if they are just the first group to respond, but Julia's fearful response was to try to protect the Theatre department's significant assets. They suggested a security guard to watch it. If you noticed, Debbie was quick to shoot down the idea of a paid security service to watch the school, but did not shoot down the overall idea. I think Debbie is trying to lead her to suggest a student-run security organization, or a student-council with some actual power (unlike typical student governments where they are mostly symbolic). Sort of a 'students protecting students' type of thing. Since students are reluctant to "tattle" on other students when they are the victims or witnesses to violent acts, a student organization would have much more inside knowledge of what actually goes on in the school so they would be in the best position to stop it.

My only concern with this is that Debbie is not in complete control of the propoganda attacks anymore. Posters from other groups are starting to appear, and new people are starting to use "be seeing you" to harass the cheerleaders. If Debbie did not anticipate this, it may be hard to turn off the propoganda machine once her goals have been met.

Bianca
Re: Chapter 114 [message #4380] Mon, 23 January 2006 17:26 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Eric  is currently offline Eric
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One thing relating to Bill and the body armor: I can see, of course, where he wants to protect his son (and Mike). But is body armor any defense against a physical assault like the one Tuck experienced?

Clearly it's a good idea to be prepared if an enemy decides to escalate to knives or firearms, but that doesn't seem to be the immediate threat, since Kyle and company proved to be quite effective without them, thanks to Tuck's asthma condition.

I wonder if Bill's thinking about arming Tuck at school. That'd seem to be the logical defense against a mass physical attack. FWIW, we've already seen Mike deploy high-voltage electricity for protection at the end-of-school party; we wouldn't necessarily be talking about lethal weapons.

Eric
Re: Chapter 114 [message #4381] Mon, 23 January 2006 17:47 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Kelvart vests and the like are of limited protection against a beating. And they slow you down. They are virtually *no* use against a knife. Or so I've been told by folks who use them.

But since Bill said "body armor", we've got no idea what he's actually buying.
Re: Chapter 114 [message #4382] Mon, 23 January 2006 17:57 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Sir Lee wrote on Sun, 22 January 2006 16:20

Oh, yes, the Kelly thing. Man, did she tell off those bitches or what? James seemed quite disappointed, though; he might have a bit of a crush on Kelly.


Be interesting to see how Kelly gets treated between now and when Tuck returns to school. If nothing else, it may give a feel for what will hapopen if he outs himself.

After all, it's not like "they" don't already think he's gay.

A few semi-silly thoughts on future "consequences" of Kelly being out:

Will she attend the next dance with Kathy? With Jill? With one of the other girls?

Or (seriously silly) will she attend with Val? <eg>

Not so silly thought. Will any of the Pack or Da Boyz decide that Natalie's, "Is this the gay and lesbo student meeting?" crack is actually a good idea?

Forming a student GLBT & allies group might just do good things. Or provide a handy target *and* "grounding rod". It'd certainly get some issues dragged out into the open where a number of the "bad guys" *don't* want them.

Re: Chapter 114 [message #4383] Mon, 23 January 2006 19:53 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Brooke wrote on Mon, 23 January 2006 14:57

Be interesting to see how Kelly gets treated between now and when Tuck returns to school. If nothing else, it may give a feel for what will happen if he outs himself.
After all, it's not like "they" don't already think he's gay.


It'd be interesting to see if the school does think whether Kelly really outted herself in the cafeteria or if the attempt by Kathy and other Pack members succeeded in putting it back in the suspicion category. But it does look like Kelly will at some point in the near future to be very open about it. Who knows, things might change, Kelly and James might become an item down the road ...
As far as McAllen goes, Tuck is known only to be hetero as he dated girls other than Debbie. Debbie still supported that notion after their breakup. I.e. there's no reason for anyone outside their inner circle at the school to believe Tuck really is gay other than to taunt and abuse Tuck due to his androgynous appearance.
Re: Chapter 114 [message #4384] Tue, 24 January 2006 01:25 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Erin Halfelven  is currently offline Erin Halfelven
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Modern body armor isn't just Kevlar fibers to resist piercing and cutting but also lightweight ceramic plates to resist impact and spread force over wide areas. The best and lightest are made of boron or silicon carbide.

NOT CHEAP. Especially since this is yesterday in the story. I'm not sure that's what Bill is buying but it's what came to my mind.
Re: Chapter 114 [message #4386] Tue, 24 January 2006 18:32 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Bianca  is currently offline Bianca
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After a second reading, I came across this section that seems to start mid-conversation. Does anyone know what "it" is referring to in the first sentence?


Quote:

***

"I don't even know," Bridgette moaned. "Is it even enough?" The
tall girl, Cory, twitched at that.
"Well, what the hell else can we do?" Sabrina asked around their
group.
"Come on, let's go see if our favorite geeks have any clever
ideas," Kathy said as she stood up, inducing several of the other girls
to stand up too before they quite knew what they were doing.


At first, I thought it was a continuation of a previously mentioned conversation, but Sabrina's previous mention in the chapter is when she is in the office picking up Tuck's homework.
Re: Chapter 114 [message #4388] Wed, 25 January 2006 01:46 Go to previous message
Eric  is currently offline Eric
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My guess is that they were simply going over the strategies from Bill Tucker's original meeting, and possibly Dan's advice to Sally and others about riot safety. (Not everyone at the table, of course, got either set of instructions first-hand.) I doubt that it's anything new, special or exclusive to the group.

Eric
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