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Tuck 127 posted [message #5137] Mon, 16 April 2007 23:01 Go to next message
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I hope you enjoy it, but my optimism has been slashed and bitten
lately.


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Re: Tuck 127 posted [message #5138] Tue, 17 April 2007 02:47 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Ellen:

As of ninety minutes after your note, the new chapter's not accessible to me on your site -- tried the links (Tuck, Writings, Go To Latest Tuck, Tuck Notes, and 'S'New) and typing in /tuck127.txt at the end of the address, all with no success. Also tried "Refresh" a few times (and IE6 says that I'm online), so it shouldn't be a problem of my bringing up an old version of the page from memory.

Hope you can straighten this out.

Thanks, Eric
Re: Tuck 127 posted [message #5139] Tue, 17 April 2007 08:47 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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*blush*
Apparently you have to put the files into the right directory...

*begins banging head into wall*


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Re: Tuck 127 posted [message #5140] Tue, 17 April 2007 19:25 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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*offers pillow to protect the wall*

Good episode. Sometimes Tuck's cluelessness works like a lamp to illuminate the plot. Smile

- Erin
Re: Tuck 127 posted [message #5141] Tue, 17 April 2007 20:24 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Ellen Hayes wrote on Tue, 17 April 2007 05:47

*blush*
Apparently you have to put the files into the right directory...

*begins banging head into wall*


Careful. You may need that wall...

Seriously, we all make mistakes. I just found one on one of my sites that has been there for ages. And I could have *sworn* I checked for it... *sigh*
Re: Tuck 127 posted [message #5142] Tue, 17 April 2007 22:13 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Uh... There aren't a lot of prescription meds where taking three tablets at once is a good idea.

I have visions of Tuck's life getting made even *more* "interesting" if any bad results are taken as a suicide attempt.

Especially since it doesn't appear to be one.

Tuck 127 [message #5143] Wed, 18 April 2007 07:37 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Kind of nice to find Tuck back under conditions normal enough that 100 hours can fit into one chapter.

I think the Pack needs to get together and buy Tuck a replacement for the Travis bear.

Lots more later.

Eric
Re: Tuck 127 [message #5144] Wed, 18 April 2007 13:04 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Eric wrote on Wed, 18 April 2007 12:37

I think the Pack needs to get together and buy Tuck a replacement for the Travis bear.



Or, now that I think about it, they need to get together and buy Tuck a replacement for Travis.
Maybe share it around. Debbie could rent it out...

Nah, better not; Debbie's mom would have a complete FIT. And confiscate it. =)


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Re: Tuck 127 [message #5145] Wed, 18 April 2007 13:13 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Ellen Hayes wrote on Wed, 18 April 2007 11:04


Or, now that I think about it, they need to get together and buy Tuck a replacement for Travis.
Maybe share it around. Debbie could rent it out...

Nah, better not; Debbie's mom would have a complete FIT. And confiscate it. =)


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But one wonders, would _it_ ever get logged in at the evidence locker thereafter? Hmmm... Twisted Evil

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Re: Tuck 127 [message #5146] Thu, 19 April 2007 14:30 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Renee Mc wrote on Wed, 18 April 2007 18:13

But one wonders, would _it_ ever get logged in at the evidence locker thereafter? Hmmm... Twisted Evil

She wouldn't need to; she'd be "wearing her mom hat", not "wearing her deputy hat" for this confiscation.
Let's hope she has some sick leave accumulated, though... She might wish to conduct her own private investigation of the matter. =)


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Re: Tuck 127 [message #5147] Thu, 19 April 2007 15:33 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Now that Debbie is inching back into Tuck's life, I'm wondering if Tuck/Val's loneliness/depression is more tied to Debbie's menses (rather than not being with Travis or anyone)? Or is this just a stretch? She is, afterall, the alpha female of the Pack....

[Updated on: Thu, 19 April 2007 15:35]

Re: Tuck 127 [message #5148] Thu, 19 April 2007 15:43 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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I made that point sometime ago, that Tuck's moods have a lunar cycle and at that time seemed closely tied to Debbie's. And, internally, Tuck is more female than not, it could be supposed, so that Tuck's own cycle could be active. Breast growth usually begins a bit before actual menstruation so Tuck would seem to be in the right development phase.

Some of the other girls seem to be showing mid-cycle to pre-menstrual signs, too.

But then, Tuck's biology is probably unique so only Ellen really knows. Smile

- Erin
Re: Tuck 127 [message #5149] Thu, 19 April 2007 16:26 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Erin Halfelven wrote on Thu, 19 April 2007 12:43


Some of the other girls seem to be showing mid-cycle to pre-menstrual signs, too.
- Erin

I was expecting Kim in a verbal confrontation with Tuck Monday morning, or later in the day, about her being perceived as immature and this was all tied together. But the week proceeded without further incident. Confused
Is it possible that Kim may be holding her tongue to explore a relationship with Val in the near future?
Re: Tuck 127 posted [message #5150] Mon, 23 April 2007 23:33 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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What should Tuck wear to his appointment with Sheila?

On the one hand he's maintained "it's only clothes," albeit with a swipe at his hair and a dab or two of makeup (and the breast forms), so going in an outfit suitable for baby-sitting would be in line with that.

On the other hand he might wear Pam's "nice young lady" outfit to show just how much clothing shapes perceptions.

And on the gripping hand Tuck might go in his quick-change-in-the-car outfit - blouse under his overshirt and a skirt, socks and flats in his pack. Sheila would say, "Tuck, I thought we agreed that you'd come as Valerie." Tuck would tell her to turn her back and do the quick change before he told her to look again. "See, I told you it was just clothes." He might shake her composure by taking out a mirror and putting on lipstick while she watched.

I'm really looking forward to the ensuing exchange, whatever he wears, because he's likely to have Sheila on the defensive for once.

I wonder if we'll ever know what Sarah and Sheila talk about?
Re: Tuck 127 posted [message #5151] Tue, 24 April 2007 01:09 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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It is a good question. As a writer, I think I'd lean toward the "nice young lady" suit, because it just feels like it would have more capacity for turning over perceptions and starting new directions.

But Ellen plots these things out well in advance, so she knows where she's going with this and almost anything ight server her well depending on where she's decided to take the story.

- Erin
Re: Tuck 127 [message #5152] Tue, 24 April 2007 04:18 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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lurker wrote on Thu, 19 April 2007 12:33

Now that Debbie is inching back into Tuck's life, I'm wondering if Tuck/Val's loneliness/depression is more tied to Debbie's menses (rather than not being with Travis or anyone)?
I was wondering whether it was a withdrawal symptom from one of the medications he just dropped. Doc Treble can monitor things like his weight loss, but is unlikely to be able to judge his mood swings unless someone else points them out.

Eric
Re: Tuck 127 posted [message #5153] Tue, 24 April 2007 09:54 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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I seem to remember Tuck saying that Doc Treble was going to switch his antidepressant med from one to another. This can cause "interesting" side effects, which is what I think Tuck's experiencing. The meds that he stopped taking are less likely to produce this kind of symptoms, IMHO.

Of course, missing one or two doses 'cause the meds were downstairs and he didn't want to deal with the house security didn't help.

Taking a triple dose to make up for it is not likely to help, either.
Re: Tuck 127 posted [message #5154] Tue, 24 April 2007 10:13 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Ellen posted:
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I hope you enjoy it, but my optimism has been slashed and bitten lately.


Ellen, I, for one, enjoy The Saga of Tuck immensely, and I would venture many others do too. Please don't stop writing.
Re: Tuck 127 posted [message #5155] Tue, 24 April 2007 22:37 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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I'm wondering if anything will go wrong when Valerie goes bowling with Ricky (and the Parkers?). Might Travis and his friend go bowling the same night (they consider miniture golf to be fun, why not bowling)? Worst would be if somebody from McAllen goes bowling that night (do any of the jocks or cheerleaders like bowling?).

Might be nothing but much was made in this chapter of Tuck trying to get out of going, and failing.
Re: Tuck 127 posted [message #5156] Tue, 24 April 2007 22:49 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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I wondered much the same things. This all takes place in the Midwest where bowling is a cultural thing that doesn't have so much of the negative image that it has in some parts of the country; in the Midwest it is considered family fun, like going to the zoo.

Of course, in some areas it is like going to the zoo. Smile I used to work with bowling tournaments and it can be a nutty place with lots of characters of all sorts. Smile

- Erin
Re: Tuck 127 posted [message #5158] Wed, 02 May 2007 21:48 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Hmmm.

Well, it's horrid, but what the hell. Smile

Tuck and Jill
shared quite a thrill
one night, at home (chez Tucker).

When Valerie
made her entry,
said Jill, "I didn't fuck 'er!"

(Apologies or abuse to those offended by references to sex using vulgar parlance)

Amy!
Re: Tuck 127 posted [message #5159] Thu, 03 May 2007 07:44 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Amy! wrote on Wed, 02 May 2007 22:48


Well, it's horrid, but what the hell. Smile


TrampTrampTrampTrampTrampTrampTramp

Knock-knock

(Amy! opens the door, bleary eyed) "Who is it?"

"The NARN BAT SQUAD!"

WHAMWHAMWHAMWHAMWHAMWHAMWHAM!


Don't call me Shirley. You will surely make me surly.
Re: Tuck 127 posted [message #5160] Thu, 03 May 2007 21:20 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Sir Lee wrote on Thu, 03 May 2007 07:44


Knock-knock

(Amy! opens the door, bleary eyed) "Who is it?"

"The NARN BAT SQUAD!"



I didn't expect the Narn Bat Squad!

Amy!
(what's a Narn Bat Squad?)
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Amy! wrote on Thu, 03 May 2007 18:20

Sir Lee wrote on Thu, 03 May 2007 07:44


Knock-knock

(Amy! opens the door, bleary eyed) "Who is it?"

"The NARN BAT SQUAD!"



I didn't expect the Narn Bat Squad!

Amy!
(what's a Narn Bat Squad?)



It's from Babylon 5 fandom. It's based on an episode of B5 were a certain slimy Centauri noble was beaten to death by a *large number of club wielding Narns.

Re: Tuck 127 posted [message #5162] Sat, 05 May 2007 05:59 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Well, I'm glad that's cleared up. Smile

I remember that episode, even though I'm not a total fan of the show, but I'd never heard a reference to the incident as involving a Narn "bat squad". Smile

Likely to hurt more than having peanuts thrown at one from across the bar, innit?

Hugs,
Erin
Miz Parker [message #5163] Sat, 05 May 2007 07:26 Go to previous message
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Erin Halfelven wrote on Tue, 17 April 2007 16:25

Sometimes Tuck's cluelessness works like a lamp to illuminate the plot.

Beyond the more obvious incidents, there's the question of whether Val inadvertently turned Beth Parker in a negative direction on Nov 3.

When she's asking Val about making the gadget for Ricky, her mindset's on the Val-as-female side -- "did your mother make you take shop courses like your sister?" -- until Val shifts things with the "didn't have to take Home Ec" reply (and then ends the discussion by unnecessarily phoning home to ask about Brian, giving Beth plenty of time to think about the implications of that answer).

Tuck can't appreciate the irony, but while "babbling" in a girlish and unsoldierlike way in what Mike suggests is an attempt to restore Beth's confidence in Val, it appears that Tuck may have undermined Beth's belief in Val's femininity.

At least, Beth swings significantly in the opposite direction over the rest of the week. The following day, she's no longer comfortable about Ricky "dating" Val; David and Ricky want everyone to go bowling but Beth doesn't want them to, though Val doesn't catch that. Two days after that, Beth's coming home early as if to surprise them, sees something that she may interpret as Valerie acting as though the two really are dating, and later corrects Val's posture as if coaching a boy on portraying a girl.

Presumably, we'll eventually see where this goes, and whether Val will still be babysitting there a week from tomorrow when the bowling date is scheduled.

But what it had me wondering is whether or not the Parkers know that Tuck isn't Valerie full time now, or at least at school. I assumed so; in the original discussion on October 21, David Parker's "Well, Beth, you did ask for a girl..." seems to imply that Debbie told them that Val's "default" presentation is male, or was at the time she was hired. And Mike's "I'd never have guessed this was possible until we heard the doctor's reports" would suggest that he let the Parkers know that the anomalies were only discovered recently, with the implication that Val looked and acted male for most of her life.

On the other hand:
17:41 21 Oct

Debbie had taken up from Mike's original lead, about explaining my genetics and what that illustrated about male versus female; she'd shown my sick twisted body to them, and used me as a prop to talk about my assault. She'd skipped the legal parts, like who'd done it, and gone off in the direction of 'hurting people for being different is bad'.

That doesn't seem to entail talking about the circumstances of the attack: the men's restroom, or the cheerleader uniform, or being unwelcome in the girls' locker room. There might even be an implication that "being different" means transitioning at school, or being identified there as a female with the wrong genitals.

(If Ellen hadn't surprised us about Travis not knowing about Tuck's "other life", I probably wouldn't be bringing this up. But in some ways the situation here seems analogous -- the Parkers MAY not know as much about Tuck as we think they do.)

Eric
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