Home » Tuck Talk » Future Tuck » Starting Anew...
Starting Anew... [message #549] Wed, 13 November 2002 18:50 Go to next message
Pacchi  is currently offline Pacchi
Messages: 43
Registered: September 2002
Location: Sydney
Member
For argument and hypothetical discussion, let us assume that Tuck/Valerie chooses to be female.

What do you think the Tuckers will do in the event that:

A) Tuck decides he is much more comfortable living life as Valerie from now on.

and

B) Tuck's Parents agree to support him (now her) in this more formal transition.

What happens now? I'd say Dad would be logical about this and tackle it like a checklist of things to do, while Mom would worry about it alittle more. Lots of sleepless nights and discussions in pajamas over cookies and milk I imagine.

What about school? Does Tuck create a whole new identity? Can he survive at his old school after all the jocks and cheerleaders, whom he has worked so efficiently to keep at bay, are confronted with Valerie? Will he want to?

Will he go so far as to Change his female persona from Valerie to another girl ('s name)? [Probably not, but these people are paranoid]

Will they move to another city do you think? If so, will Valerie bear giving up the pack?

:)

- P
Re: Starting Anew... [message #550] Wed, 13 November 2002 19:29 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Vicki  is currently offline Vicki
Messages: 159
Registered: October 2002
Location: North Texas
Senior Member

Pacchi wrote on Wed, 13 November 2002 17:50

For argument and hypothetical discussion, let us assume that Tuck/Valerie chooses to be female.

What do you think the Tuckers will do in the event that:

A) Tuck decides he is much more comfortable living life as Valerie from now on.

and

B) Tuck's Parents agree to support him (now her) in this more formal transition.

What happens now? I'd say Dad would be logical about this and tackle it like a checklist of things to do, while Mom would worry about it alittle more. Lots of sleepless nights and discussions in pajamas over cookies and milk I imagine.

I so agree with you that dad would be logical and do things step by step (as Mom instructed him to do) and Mom would have another daughter . .

What about school? Does Tuck create a whole new identity? Can he survive at his old school after all the jocks and cheerleaders, whom he has worked so efficiently to keep at bay, are confronted with Valerie? Will he want to?

she will transfer to another school at the insistence of her therapist, doctor and parents and will do so sadly but all is not lost as she has an auto and auto WILL travel ! As to wanting to or not there is really no choice when everything clicks and comes into focus . . . I see her tearfully and joyfully living fulltime as Valarie

Will he go so far as to Change his female persona from Valerie to another girl ('s name)? [Probably not, but these people are paranoid]
I see no changing of Valarie but there may be a family middle name added by her mom perhaps

Will they move to another city do you think? If so, will Valerie bear giving up the pack?

I see no moving other than changing schools, give up the pack ? uh huh no way !!!! the pack is her way of life her friends

Smile

- P


Doubt is a thief that often makes us fear to tread where we might have won --Shakespeare" --

-Vicki
Re: Starting Anew... [message #551] Wed, 13 November 2002 22:36 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Doragoon  is currently offline Doragoon
Messages: 334
Registered: September 2002
Location: Everett, WA
Senior Member

there is way too much to write about this right now, so i'll just answer one aspect for now.

> What about school?

i still hold that red bluff would be the perfect solution. val already knows everyone there. she's be with travis. and all of travis's freinds. she'll have lisa and her freinds to replace the pack. it would be the simplest simple solution. it'seither that or the local catholic highschool, i think bill would rather let tuck go to college now than put tuck through a religious school.
Re: Starting Anew... [message #554] Thu, 14 November 2002 00:56 Go to previous messageGo to next message
KellyDahl  is currently offline KellyDahl
Messages: 39
Registered: October 2002
Member
Would she have Lisa and her friends, or would Lise still be mad about what happened with Debbie in L.A.? I know things seem to be worked out with Debbie but does Lisa still hold a grudge?
Re: Starting Anew... [message #557] Thu, 14 November 2002 05:54 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Pacchi  is currently offline Pacchi
Messages: 43
Registered: September 2002
Location: Sydney
Member
Re: Doragoon

Red Bluff :

Red Bluff is indeed a convenient solution. Unfortunately, with Lisa and Debbie evidently part of a connecting grapevine, most people at Red Bluff would eventually know about Tuck/Valerie. Gossip traffic between the two schools seem to run pretty high, which means that people at Red Bluff would find out relatively soon after Tuck transitions socially. This means that Tuck will have to deal with acceptance issues and social stigma at Red Bluff too.

Which sort of negates the point of switching schools.

:)

- P

Re: Starting Anew... [message #565] Thu, 14 November 2002 14:44 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Vicki  is currently offline Vicki
Messages: 159
Registered: October 2002
Location: North Texas
Senior Member

Pacchi wrote on Thu, 14 November 2002 04:54

Re: Doragoon

Red Bluff :

Red Bluff is indeed a convenient solution. Unfortunately, with Lisa and Debbie evidently part of a connecting grapevine, most people at Red Bluff would eventually know about Tuck/Valerie. Gossip traffic between the two schools seem to run pretty high, which means that people at Red Bluff would find out relatively soon after Tuck transitions socially. This means that Tuck will have to deal with acceptance issues and social stigma at Red Bluff too.

Which sort of negates the point of switching schools.

Smile

- P




Possibly that just depends on how well Valarie is accepted after transition, in fact her current school Principal knows about Valarie transition at her school might just be possible considering that Tuck is almost an unknown geek. . and the word/gossip that she has always been female but dressed butch and finally came to grips. And also think about the fact that she is in cosmostology class and outdoing some of the other girls. . becoming Valarie would put their minds a bit more at ease. It could happen


Doubt is a thief that often makes us fear to tread where we might have won --Shakespeare" --

-Vicki
Re: Starting Anew... [message #567] Thu, 14 November 2002 16:24 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Doragoon  is currently offline Doragoon
Messages: 334
Registered: September 2002
Location: Everett, WA
Senior Member

> most people at Red Bluff would eventually know about Tuck/Valerie

most of the people over there already know about valery. they saw her at thier dance with travis. all of travis's freinds saw her. pluss the girlfreinds of travis's freinds. travis's ex-girlfreind. pluss, Lisa and her cover boyfreind. it would acutaly be worse if tuck DIDN"T atend redbluff as Val

as a side note. basketball season. when's that start up, becouse you know the girlfreind of one of the team's best players, and a senior, is going to be expected to be there.
Re: Starting Anew... [message #573] Thu, 14 November 2002 17:10 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Erin Halfelven  is currently offline Erin Halfelven
Messages: 712
Registered: September 2002
Location: Surf City, USA
Senior Member
Administrator
The bit about the gossip between the two schools already applies. And has had an effect, Travis found out about T/V from Lisa, perhaps semi-deliberately on Lisa's part.

But this is no riskier than what Tuck is already doing.

- Erin
Re: Starting Anew... [message #577] Thu, 14 November 2002 21:06 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Pacchi  is currently offline Pacchi
Messages: 43
Registered: September 2002
Location: Sydney
Member
Tuck does not seem to be an unknown geek at his high school. He is constantly picked on, or mashed into walls, or called faggot. Da Boys, his own clique, is at undeclared war with the jocks and cheerleaders who changed his Big Sister/Brother registration information and who possibly keyed his car.

Dobson knows about Tuck through abnormal means, and their terms are not too casual. Dobson seems to have more of an accepting view than, say... Nickelson, but that just means Tuck has a leg up on teachers who might have arguments. High school is not just about teachers though.

The people at Red Bluff knew Tuck, so there has to be some who know the cheerleaders. People put two and two together fairly well. High school girls do. I doubt Lisa has that many Red Bluff friends who are as close as the Pack. Also, a good point is raised about animosity between Lisa and Tuck, as Lisa seems to be even more protective and vindictive than Debbie. It's not the happy happy solution.

Dealing with people lurking in the background pretending to be understanding, but turning around to gossip about you as soon as you're out of earshot is damn fustrating. I don't think Tuck would voluntarily let himself be paraded around a stadium as "Travis' girlfriend" either.

The interesting possibility is whether Tuck might finish school somewhere else, and then come back to town for College. It would be safer in terms of social gossip. There are several problems with this of course, including commuting time, and distance from Mike and the Pack. Not to mention, Tuck should be going to MIT for college anyway.

Tuck does not seem like the type to want to deal with "Weren't you a guy? You faggot!" inquiries directly. The way he dealt with Jack's guess wasn't exactly clearheaded. His revenge tactics are effective, but strenuous. Why would he stay in the same place and subject himself to more of it voluntarily? The Jocks would feel more justified in hassling him, because to them, he's the perfect "example poofter." Jocks in this sense includes cheerleaders and Tina/Ashley types.

Most transexuals I know about who do not flaunt their past gender, have moved large distances and go through great pains to create new identities and social networks. They only tell their deepest secrets to a select few, of whom they have dirt on too. Tuck seems to fit into this stereotype somewhat.

What Tuck does now relies on Valerie being accepted as totally female by anyone she meets who were not close to her already when she was still starting out. I don't think Tuck would be comfortable being Valerie, if his transition was open gossip.

:)

- P
Re: Starting Anew... [message #579] Thu, 14 November 2002 23:09 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Vicki  is currently offline Vicki
Messages: 159
Registered: October 2002
Location: North Texas
Senior Member

Pacchi wrote on Thu, 14 November 2002 20:06

Quote:

Tuck does not seem to be an unknown geek at his high school. He is constantly picked on, or mashed into walls, or called faggot.


You are right s/he is a known geek but not talked about and mostly ignored. . . picked on, yes called names, yes but a daily topic or well known, no

<snip>

Quote:

Dobson knows about Tuck through abnormal means, and their terms are not too casual. Dobson seems to have more of an accepting view than, say... Nickelson, but that just means Tuck has a leg up on teachers who might have arguments. High school is not just about teachers though.


Teachers are people too, I know it is hard to think of them as human but they are, and they have the same good and bad as all people. I evpect there will be bigotry but also acceptance. The question is what will the school policy will be reguarding a intersexed transgendered student and how will the teachers and school board deal with it ?

Quote:

The people at Red Bluff knew Tuck, so there has to be some who know the cheerleaders. People put two and two together fairly well. High school girls do. I doubt Lisa has that many Red Bluff friends who are as close as the Pack. Also, a good point is raised about animosity between Lisa and Tuck, as Lisa seems to be even more protective and vindictive than Debbie. It's not the happy happy solution.


But vaguely as just another pretty face in the crowd. As to putting things together, maybe, possibly but I seriously doubtthat would have all the facts and they could easily be steered or misled easily one way or the other. The only way Val could be outed would be to be stripped and that I do not see happening. Valarie would be too alert especially since the situation with Mike.


Quote:

Dealing with people lurking in the background pretending to be understanding, but turning around to gossip about you as soon as you're out of earshot is damn fustrating. I don't think Tuck would voluntarily let himself be paraded around a stadium as "Travis' girlfriend" either.


there always will be back stabbers out there in the world and not a whole lot one can do about it. Tuck paraded around as Valarie, devoted caring girlfriend of Travis or as Tucker the boy-girl intersexed crossdresser ? there is a big difference !!

Quote:

The interesting possibility is whether Tuck might finish school somewhere else, and then come back to town for College. It would be safer in terms of social gossip. There are several problems with this of course, including commuting time, and distance from Mike and the Pack. Not to mention, Tuck should be going to MIT for college anyway.


Gossip is good only for 90 days, after that it is an non issue and the gossipers go on to the next issue. As being from Mike and the pack after High School everyone goes their own way. True some people keep in contact more so than others but they will drift in diffrent directions.

Quote:

Tuck does not seem like the type to want to deal with "Weren't you a guy? You faggot!" inquiries directly. The way he dealt with Jack's guess wasn't exactly clearheaded. His revenge tactics are effective, but strenuous. Why would he stay in the same place and subject himself to more of it voluntarily?
<snip>

I do not know of a single transgendered person that enjoys being outed and having to deal with it. It is something you learn to deal with and you learn to roll with the punches. 99% of the people that s/he will meet will not remember Tuck or Valarie either as they have their own problems to deal with.

Quote:

Most transexuals I know about who do not flaunt their past gender, have moved large distances and go through great pains to create new identities and social networks. They only tell their deepest secrets to a select few, of whom they have dirt on too. Tuck seems to fit into this stereotype somewhat.


You are absolutely right!! Tuck is young and will learn to adapt and besides very few people once again will know for absolutely sure after a time that s/he was ever a boy in the first place. And they will start to have their doubts.

Quote:

What Tuck does now relies on Valerie being accepted as totally female by anyone she meets who were not close to her already when she was still starting out. I don't think Tuck would be comfortable being Valerie, if his transition was open gossip.


Name me one ts that was ever totally comfortable when they first went fulltime ? Valarie has more real life experience than most. She will have no doubts on her appearance ,voice or anything else to do with being Valarie only the internal voice that says "what if" and that is the mind killer. That is what keeps a lot of people from doing things that could have made their lifes better. They were fearful to take the chance.

Smile

- P


Doubt is a thief that often makes us fear to tread where we might have won --Shakespeare" --

-Vicki
Re: Starting Anew... [message #584] Fri, 15 November 2002 14:13 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Gareth  is currently offline Gareth
Messages: 20
Registered: September 2002
Location: Portishead, UK
Junior Member
Quote:

in fact her current school Principal knows about Valarie transition at her school might just be possible considering that Tuck is almost an unknown geek. . and the word/gossip that she has always been female but dressed butch and finally came to grips.


Minor problem with this. Tuck used to take gym with all the other guys. Do you really think Tuck won't have had to shower, or strip off to get changed? I fact, go look at the first few episodes namely episode 3.

Gareth


Gareth
Re: Starting Anew... [message #586] Fri, 15 November 2002 15:13 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Jane
Messages: 12
Registered: September 2002
Location: Newmarket, GB
Junior Member
We already have an answer to what Tuck will do about school in that firstly Tucks mother rather than discount it completely in the last episode, she asked him about his grades. Secondly his father did the same thing a couple of episodes back when Tuck asked him if he could drop out of school, when he said "not now".


Jane
Re: Starting Anew... [message #591] Fri, 15 November 2002 17:22 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Jane
Messages: 12
Registered: September 2002
Location: Newmarket, GB
Junior Member
Sorry I missed out the word "may". In my answer.


Jane
Re: Starting Anew... [message #592] Fri, 15 November 2002 18:05 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Pacchi  is currently offline Pacchi
Messages: 43
Registered: September 2002
Location: Sydney
Member
Jane :

Are you suggesting Tuck might go to College instead of finishing high school?

That might be the best solution. It's also somewhat likely, considering that Tuck has no more math classes left to take. He has always been smart about his academic career paths, and seems to impress the teachers. Tuck may go to an accelerated college program for gifted students at a larger private college, or maybe take courses at a community college without too much difficulty.

It would mean Tuck can transition in someplace new, without lingering social stigma. The more challenging material will give him a focus. It also won't be just the high school crowd, and give him more freedom to ignore and avoid the Jock types.

:)

- P
Re: Starting Anew... [message #593] Fri, 15 November 2002 18:39 Go to previous message
Jane
Messages: 12
Registered: September 2002
Location: Newmarket, GB
Junior Member
Got it in one Pacchi.

Sorry I should have made myself clearer but my mobile was running out on me.


Jane
Previous Topic:Tuck and Jill
Next Topic:Name The Cat Thread
Goto Forum:
  


Current Time: Sun Sep 23 09:29:36 EDT 2018

Total time taken to generate the page: 0.02201 seconds
.:: Contact :: Home ::.

Powered by: FUDforum 2.7.7.
Copyright ©2001-2007 FUD Forum Bulletin Board Software