Home » Tuck Talk » Chapter by Chapter » Tuck 131 finally up.
Tuck 131 finally up. [message #5276] Sun, 02 September 2007 20:20 Go to next message
Ellen Hayes  is currently offline Ellen Hayes
Messages: 684
Registered: September 2002
Senior Member
This has been a bad month for me, and a not-so-bad few days for Tucker...
Enjoy.


Ellen
nosig
Re: Tuck 131 finally up. [message #5278] Mon, 03 September 2007 00:06 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Erin Halfelven  is currently offline Erin Halfelven
Messages: 712
Registered: September 2002
Location: Surf City, USA
Senior Member
Administrator
Fun! Full of Tuck-logic which is low in fiber and high in calories. Smile

- Erin
Re: Tuck 131 finally up. [message #5279] Mon, 03 September 2007 04:40 Go to previous messageGo to next message
mkemp  is currently offline mkemp
Messages: 421
Registered: April 2006
Senior Member
Really high in Tuck-logic and full of interactions with disparate sets of people and plans for a sleepover and arranging for help cleaning up for Thanksgiving and baking pies for the associated Dinner and getting ready to go bowling and the play bell rang and we'll have to wait until the next installment. Dammit.

Ellen, you're a great storyteller and have totally mastered the arts of pacing and cliffhangers. You're also the purveyor of something that's quite addictive.
Re: Tuck 131 finally up. [message #5280] Mon, 03 September 2007 14:28 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Brooke  is currently offline Brooke
Messages: 695
Registered: August 2004
Location: Portland, OR
Senior Member
Anybody else have a *bad* feeling about the bowling? I'm suddenly picturing either Travis there on a date, or sme McAllen students recognizing Val as being Tuck.

Also, I've never run into a bowling alley that didn't have at least a snack bar if not a low end restaurant. So that shoots down the problem with eating.

While *Val* might not know this, you'd think Mr & Mrs Parker *would*.

Or is this another plot complication?

Eep! Another thing that could go wrong at the bowling alley. What if any of the folks charged with assaulting Tuck are there. *Especially* ones with restraining orders...

This raises a several interesting problems. First, does Tuck know about the restraining orders.

Second, will they recognize him. And if they do will they do anything (I can picture several of them being dumb enough to try something).

Third, if Tuck knows about the restraining orders, what can he do? I'm sure he can picture the consequences of *Val* trying to invoke an order that was issued for *Eugene's* protection.

[Updated on: Mon, 03 September 2007 14:38]

Re: Tuck 131 finally up. [message #5281] Mon, 03 September 2007 21:23 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Ellen Hayes  is currently offline Ellen Hayes
Messages: 684
Registered: September 2002
Senior Member
Brooke wrote on Mon, 03 September 2007 19:28

Anybody else have a *bad* feeling about the bowling?

*chortles*

Brooke wrote on Mon, 03 September 2007 19:28

Also, I've never run into a bowling alley that didn't have at least a snack bar if not a low end restaurant. So that shoots down the problem with eating.
While *Val* might not know this, you'd think Mr & Mrs Parker *would*. Or is this another plot complication?

Mister Parker is getting to that age, that eating dinner at a snack bar is not the best idea if he wants to sleep without, erm, unsocial digestive problems. But don't mention _I_ told you this.

Brooke wrote on Mon, 03 September 2007 19:28

Eep! Another thing that could go wrong at the bowling alley. What if any of the folks charged with assaulting Tuck are there.


"Tuck, you're not supposed to walk on the lanes, remember?"
"Yeah, yeah... Where's the bathroom? I need to wash the blood off."
"I don't think that's really gonna help... oh, and remember cold water-"
"For the clothes, I remember!"
"It's not gonna help."
"At least my hands won't be so damned STICKY."
Sounds of a bowling pin resetting machine mangling a screaming human issue from the end of the lane, and Tuck smiles...


Ellen
nosig
Re: Tuck 131 finally up. [message #5283] Mon, 03 September 2007 21:49 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Erin Halfelven  is currently offline Erin Halfelven
Messages: 712
Registered: September 2002
Location: Surf City, USA
Senior Member
Administrator
Yeah, that's what I thought. "Restraineen orders? We doan need no steenkin restraineen orders!" Smile

- Erin
Re: Tuck 131 finally up. [message #5285] Tue, 04 September 2007 03:09 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Brooke  is currently offline Brooke
Messages: 695
Registered: August 2004
Location: Portland, OR
Senior Member
Ellen Hayes wrote on Mon, 03 September 2007 18:23

Brooke wrote on Mon, 03 September 2007 19:28

Anybody else have a *bad* feeling about the bowling?

*chortles*


What gets me is that I *didn't* have that feeling when it was mentioned in previous chapters. But somehow, the mention this time has me wanting to duck for cover.

Beware of authors, for they need not be subtle and you'd make a good redshirt...

[Updated on: Tue, 04 September 2007 03:26]

Re: Tuck 131 finally up. [message #5286] Tue, 04 September 2007 06:54 Go to previous messageGo to next message
rachel.greenham  is currently offline rachel.greenham
Messages: 290
Registered: November 2002
Location: Bristol, UK
Senior Member
Biggest little-thing seems to be the little exchange with the doctor about testosterone shots. Tuck's duckin', Tuck's weavin', but at some point Tuck's going to get pinned down to either accept them or actually say no.


Rachel
Re: Tuck 131 finally up. [message #5287] Tue, 04 September 2007 10:01 Go to previous messageGo to next message
mkemp  is currently offline mkemp
Messages: 421
Registered: April 2006
Senior Member
I seem to remember an exchange between Tuck and the family where he said that he didn't like taking the shots but I don't think he explicitly rejected the idea. I guess he's doing the "not now" version of rejection.

I'm kinda concerned about Val's ability to heave a bowling ball without hurting or damaging herself. Plus we can conclude that Someting is likely to Happen while the group is bowling, given the inaudible This Is a Bad Idea soundtrack that has accompanied almost every mention of it.

A few random thoughts:

Mr. Parker's response to a small person clamoring for greasy snack bar food might be entertaining.

If Sarah's family is coming for Thanksgiving will Amy be among them? It'll never happen but Sarah could homeschool both Amy and Tuck.

As far as I remember Travis never had anything but Val's pager number so he wouldn't be leaving messages in Val's voice mail box. Val's pager wasn't recovered and pager messages from Travis to Val might be highly entertaining for someone to read. And possession of the pager might be part of a chain that leads back to a (possibly) unknown perp.

On that note, my estimation of Travis is that if he knew about the assault he'd be at Tu-Val's bedside almost no matter what the difficulties between them.
Re: Tuck 131 finally up. [message #5288] Tue, 04 September 2007 12:54 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Brooke  is currently offline Brooke
Messages: 695
Registered: August 2004
Location: Portland, OR
Senior Member
rachel.greenham wrote on Tue, 04 September 2007 03:54

Biggest little-thing seems to be the little exchange with the doctor about testosterone shots. Tuck's duckin', Tuck's weavin', but at some point Tuck's going to get pinned down to either accept them or actually say no.


That one hits a bit close to home, being as I'm dealing with something like that right now... Sad
Re: Tuck 131 finally up. [message #5289] Tue, 04 September 2007 13:55 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Ellen Hayes  is currently offline Ellen Hayes
Messages: 684
Registered: September 2002
Senior Member
rachel.greenham wrote on Tue, 04 September 2007 11:54

Biggest little-thing seems to be the little exchange with the doctor about testosterone shots. Tuck's duckin', Tuck's weavin', but at some point Tuck's going to get pinned down to either accept them or actually say no.

Next week or two. Remember, he was already getting one in one arm... and if he'd gotten both arms, George would've punched it later that day!
Icky boy juice squirting out of Tuck's arm like a popped zit!


Ellen
nosig

Re: Tuck 131 finally up. [message #5292] Tue, 04 September 2007 20:48 Go to previous messageGo to next message
lurker
Messages: 197
Registered: May 2004
Senior Member
Brooke wrote on Mon, 03 September 2007 11:28

Anybody else have a *bad* feeling about the bowling?

Actually, I don't think much will happen at the bowling alley. Mike will be there so I think Val will get adequate cover.

However, something may happen at the ballet. Maybe Julia and Val run into the Dobson's?

or, Sheila? ([Spanish accent] Lucy! You got some 'splainen to do! Why are you wearin dat dress?)

or, Val's so tired, she decides to go straight home with Pam without changing, sneaking in, but runs into Sarah...(But Mom, this was easier and more comfortable then buying a new pair of shoes for my suit!) Embarassed
Re: Tuck 131 finally up. [message #5293] Tue, 04 September 2007 21:01 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Maynard  is currently offline Maynard
Messages: 80
Registered: September 2002
Location: WI
Member
When I finished reading this chapter, I too thought that Tuck/Val might encounter someone at the ballet. My first possibility was Sheila. This would be interesting in that Tuck has to talk with her the following morning. Or another possible person would be Dana. Don't doctor go to these "cultural events"?
Re: Tuck 131 finally up. [message #5294] Tue, 04 September 2007 23:02 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Sir Lee  is currently offline Sir Lee
Messages: 440
Registered: October 2003
Location: São Paulo, Brazil
Senior Member
Maynard wrote on Tue, 04 September 2007 22:01

When I finished reading this chapter, I too thought that Tuck/Val might encounter someone at the ballet. My first possibility was Sheila. This would be interesting in that Tuck has to talk with her the following morning. Or another possible person would be Dana. Don't doctor go to these "cultural events"?


Depends on the doctor. The ones who can keep sane hours and rake in the money (like plastic surgeons) do. The ones who work stupid-hour shifts and live on salaries (like Emergency doctors)... not so often: they are usually too tired. And sometimes the tickets seem too expensive (although these might not be that expensive, since a few high school kids are going).

I don't know how Dana fits in the above descriptions; perhaps somewhere in the middle. My sister is a pediatrician, too; she works mostly in hospitals and fit better in the second category. However, Dana has an apparently successful practice; that probably means that she's somewhere along the way to the first category. But pediatricians seldom get rich.


Don't call me Shirley. You will surely make me surly.
Re: Tuck 131 finally up. [message #5295] Wed, 05 September 2007 03:01 Go to previous messageGo to next message
mkemp  is currently offline mkemp
Messages: 421
Registered: April 2006
Senior Member
"Betty" Dobson knows about Tu-Val and his wife only knows Valerie and not Tuck, plus didn't Val, Julia and Rachael(?) run into them at the theatre?

I don't think that encountering Sheila would be all that bad because she's already met Val and it would give Tuck an example of how Val blends in.

Hmmm, Valerie encountering Sarah... On the one hand Sarah is likely to enter into Parental Inquisition Mode interspersed with Lecture To Death at the very least. On the other hand Sarah has (begrudgingly) acquiesced to Val babysitting. On the gripping hand I don't see Val not changing unless she's so tired that Pam has to literally carry her in the door. I can't see Sarah "gaining a daughter" just yet.
Re: Tuck 131 finally up. [message #5297] Wed, 05 September 2007 03:28 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Brooke  is currently offline Brooke
Messages: 695
Registered: August 2004
Location: Portland, OR
Senior Member
Ellen Hayes wrote on Tue, 04 September 2007 10:55

rachel.greenham wrote on Tue, 04 September 2007 11:54

Biggest little-thing seems to be the little exchange with the doctor about testosterone shots. Tuck's duckin', Tuck's weavin', but at some point Tuck's going to get pinned down to either accept them or actually say no.

Next week or two. Remember, he was already getting one in one arm... and if he'd gotten both arms, George would've punched it later that day!
Icky boy juice squirting out of Tuck's arm like a popped zit!


They seem to prefer doing T shots in the "hip" (aka "in the butt") if a nurse is giving you one, or in the front of the thigh if you are doing it yourself.

That needle looks a mile long too (actually "only" 40 mm). *Way* too deep to leak if it gets hit. But getting hit on the injection site will produce an urge to kill...
Re: Tuck 131 finally up. [message #5300] Wed, 05 September 2007 11:09 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Ellen Hayes  is currently offline Ellen Hayes
Messages: 684
Registered: September 2002
Senior Member
Brooke wrote on Wed, 05 September 2007 08:28

Ellen Hayes wrote on Tue, 04 September 2007 10:55

Remember, he was already getting one in one arm... and if he'd gotten both arms, George would've punched it later that day!
Icky boy juice squirting out of Tuck's arm like a popped zit!


They seem to prefer doing T shots in the "hip" (aka "in the butt") if a nurse is giving you one, or in the front of the thigh if you are doing it yourself.
That needle looks a mile long too (actually "only" 40 mm). *Way* too deep to leak if it gets hit. But getting hit on the injection site will produce an urge to kill...

But no one has explained either of these things to TUCK yet, have they? Nyahh nyahh nyahhh!
However, since now _I_ know (and feel free to chime in if you have different experience), someone could explain these things to Tuck... Let's hope it's not George. =)


Ellen
nosig
Misplaced Date? [message #5301] Thu, 06 September 2007 01:29 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Eric  is currently offline Eric
Messages: 641
Registered: January 2003
Location: San Francisco
Senior Member
I've been out of town and consequently haven't read the chapter the usual pair of times yet that I do before commenting.

But did I misread something or does Tuck think Thanksgiving's on next Thursday, November 20, and that he has to do all that elaborate baking and cleaning this weekend?

Because it's not. It's on the 27th.

Eric
Re: Tuck 131 finally up. [message #5302] Thu, 06 September 2007 02:24 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Brooke  is currently offline Brooke
Messages: 695
Registered: August 2004
Location: Portland, OR
Senior Member
Ellen Hayes wrote on Wed, 05 September 2007 08:09

Brooke wrote on Wed, 05 September 2007 08:28

They seem to prefer doing T shots in the "hip" (aka "in the butt") if a nurse is giving you one, or in the front of the thigh if you are doing it yourself.
That needle looks a mile long too (actually "only" 40 mm). *Way* too deep to leak if it gets hit. But getting hit on the injection site will produce an urge to kill...

But no one has explained either of these things to TUCK yet, have they? Nyahh nyahh nyahhh!
However, since now _I_ know (and feel free to chime in if you have different experience), someone could explain these things to Tuck... Let's hope it's not George. =)


I can give you exacting details about giving a T shot as I had to be trained on it a few weeks back and still have the instruction sheets.

I will mention that you draw it with one needle and then switch to a different needle to give the shot. This is because that long needle is really thin and you risk bending it. It'd also take forever to draw the T into the syringe with it.

I've also got the several pages of warnings the pharmacy hands over with the T, if you want to freak Tuck a bit.

[Updated on: Thu, 06 September 2007 02:25]

Re: Tuck 131 [message #5312] Wed, 12 September 2007 06:02 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Eric  is currently offline Eric
Messages: 641
Registered: January 2003
Location: San Francisco
Senior Member
Finally got to that second reading of 131. A few miscellaneous points:

- I'm a little surprised Tuck HADN'T been planning all along to go to the ballet as Valerie, since he's far more likely to meet people there (and at the Gay Cafe afterwards, if they do that again) who've only met Valerie than those who have only met Tuck, and that's usually the kind of calculation that's second nature to him.

- No real idea how Val, Mike and Jill would react to a physical threat from McAllen jocks at the bowling venue with the Parkers present. (Val, of course, isn't wearing Tuck's body armor.) The restraining order may not be relevant; Tuck has plenty of adversaries who weren't directly involved in the bathroom attack. And I'm not sure how surprised any of them (or their dates) would be to see Tuck dressed as Val, considering the stories that were being spread at school the week he got hurt.

- I have the odd feeling that Ellen might use this bowling trip to clarify the Anne/Travis relationship. The pair could show up there together, or either one could turn up with another date, putting Anne's claim over Travis in doubt. (For some reason I'm guessing that's more likely than a physical confrontation against Lenich and company. Of course, the two aren't mutually exclusive; Travis could even assist in fighting off or forestalling an attack on Val, as he did at the start of the story.)

- So now it's Pam who wants to stay overnight. I never really thought of her as a candidate for a relationship with Tuck: I guess it's because she hasn't had the kind of one-or-two-on-one dealings with Tuck that most of the other Pack members have.

- We FINALLY get a fact about Amanda: she lives with her mother, and the two celebrate Thanksgiving alone together. (New wild guess: is Amanda's mother TG, and estranged from the rest of their family?)

*** 06:56 14 Nov

..."Hey, like tell me about it, I've got my sister, AND her 'fiance' coming this year..." Kim sounded utterly disgusted, which was about how I felt. Mom's relatives were not nearly as cool as Dad's; I thought it might have something to do with the relative skin colors.

Took me a few minutes to figure this one out: clearly Tuck really does think of the Laniers as "Dad's relatives". (I thought initially that Tuck was talking about Kim's family, and it seemed unlikely that they'd be interracial, since Kim and her sister are both natural (as far as I know) blondes.)

Eric

(Edited to correct typo.)

[Updated on: Fri, 14 September 2007 06:27]

Re: Tuck 131 finally up. [message #5313] Wed, 12 September 2007 06:17 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Eric  is currently offline Eric
Messages: 641
Registered: January 2003
Location: San Francisco
Senior Member
mkemp wrote on Tue, 04 September 2007 07:01

If Sarah's family is coming for Thanksgiving will Amy be among them?
She should be. Tuck's other cousin, Derek, ought to be there as well; we know Tuck doesn't get along with him but we don't know whether Amy does.

mkemp, continued

As far as I remember Travis never had anything but Val's pager number so he wouldn't be leaving messages in Val's voice mail box.
Travis apparently got a voicemail number for Val from Mike when Mike saw him last, since Mike has asked at least twice whether Tuck has checked for voicemail from Travis. But Tuck may not remember that Val has a separate mailbox, created back before Jack learned about Tuck and only used by him, so there may still be messages waiting there.

Eric
Re: Tuck 131 [message #5314] Wed, 12 September 2007 07:30 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Sir Lee  is currently offline Sir Lee
Messages: 440
Registered: October 2003
Location: São Paulo, Brazil
Senior Member
Eric wrote on Wed, 12 September 2007 07:02


- No real idea how Val, Mike and Jill would react to a physical threat from McAllen jocks at the bowling venus with the Parkers present. (Val, of course, isn't wearing Tuck's body armor.) The restraining order may not be relevant; Tuck has plenty of adversaries who weren't directly involved in the bathroom attack. And I'm not sure how surprised any of them (or their dates) would be to see Tuck dressed as Val, considering the stories that were being spread at school the week he got hurt.


Many adults present, Val being in a party with two adults. Direct aggression very unlikely, unless Val gets ambushed in a dark corner or something.

That's ASSUMING that the hostiles recognize Tuck, instead of thinking Val is a girl who LOOKS like Tuck, maybe a sister. Hey, Susan's DATE has mistaken Tuck for her, so even if someone knows something about the Tucker family makeup, it's more likely they think "Funny, shouldn't Susan be at college?" than "Hey, that fag Tuck is dressing like a girl."

OTOH, if they DO recognize Tuck, EVEN if there's no physical confrontation, that would mean the end of Tuck/Val's secret. Other major turning point for the story.

Hmmm, talking of major turning points... how many have we seen?
1. Tuck begins dressing.
2. Big crisis, Tuck runs away.
3. Val gets a job.
4. Tuck and Debbie break up.
5. Travis and dating.
6. Mom finds out.
7. Attack & hospital.

I purposefully left some out (like the revelation of the nature of Tuck's health problems) because they were kinda natural evolution of how things were going before -- I mean, we had good reason to believe Tuck was intersexed or something from back when he ran away. Others I left out because they didn't actually change the direction of the story (like Mike finding out about Travis). But did I forget something?


Don't call me Shirley. You will surely make me surly.
Re: Tuck 131 finally up. [message #5315] Wed, 12 September 2007 10:57 Go to previous messageGo to next message
LuLou  is currently offline LuLou
Messages: 73
Registered: August 2007
Member
Eric wrote on Wed, 12 September 2007 03:17

mkemp wrote on Tue, 04 September 2007 07:01

If Sarah's family is coming for Thanksgiving will Amy be among them?
She should be. Tuck's other cousin, Derek, ought to be there as well; we know Tuck doesn't get along with him but we don't know whether Amy does.


I'd imagine the sleeping arrangements would be a little different this year, with Amy (and possibly Susan) staying in Tuck's room. That probably won't go over well with Aunt Trish, who shares Sarah's temper.


Eric wrote on Wed, 12 September 2007 03:17

mkemp, continued

As far as I remember Travis never had anything but Val's pager number so he wouldn't be leaving messages in Val's voice mail box.
Travis apparently got a voicemail number for Val from Mike when Mike saw him last, since Mike has asked at least twice whether Tuck has checked for voicemail from Travis. But Tuck may not remember that Val has a separate mailbox, created back before Jack learned about Tuck and only used by him, so there may still be messages waiting there.

Eric



Back in the post-attack episodes, Bill was checking the call logs and found a couple unfamiliar numbers. Could one of those be Travis? It's also possible he promptly lost the number, he did that with the pager.

LuLou


Re: Tuck 131 finally up. [message #5318] Thu, 13 September 2007 02:33 Go to previous messageGo to next message
maltor  is currently offline maltor
Messages: 83
Registered: July 2003
Location: Raleigh, NC
Member
Eric wrote on Wed, 12 September 2007 06:17

mkemp, continued

As far as I remember Travis never had anything but Val's pager number so he wouldn't be leaving messages in Val's voice mail box.

Travis apparently got a voicemail number for Val from Mike when Mike saw him last, since Mike has asked at least twice whether Tuck has checked for voicemail from Travis. But Tuck may not remember that Val has a separate mailbox, created back before Jack learned about Tuck and only used by him, so there may still be messages waiting there.

There is also Val's phone at the Parkers house. Travis used it just a few days prior to the attack to contact her when Val didn't respond to the pages he sent over the weekend because she was off hiking through the woods.
Re: Tuck 131 [message #5320] Thu, 13 September 2007 04:09 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Eric  is currently offline Eric
Messages: 641
Registered: January 2003
Location: San Francisco
Senior Member
Sir Lee wrote on Wed, 12 September 2007 04:30

Many adults present, Val being in a party with two adults. Direct aggression very unlikely, unless Val gets ambushed in a dark corner or something.

That's ASSUMING that the hostiles recognize Tuck, instead of thinking Val is a girl who LOOKS like Tuck, maybe a sister. Hey, Susan's DATE has mistaken Tuck for her, so even if someone knows something about the Tucker family makeup, it's more likely they think "Funny, shouldn't Susan be at college?" than "Hey, that fag Tuck is dressing like a girl."
To my knowledge, nobody who has met Tuck previously has failed to recognize him no matter what he/Val was wearing. (Conversely, just about everyone who meets him for the first time assumes he's female, again regardless of what he's wearing.)

(One possible exception: the Freaks' Ball, where he seems to have been well-disguised enough, between the mask and the makeup, to avoid identification by all but his friends. OTOH, few if any of his enemies would have shown up at something with a Freaks theme, or at a benefit for the Knights, in any case.)

Sir Lee, continued

OTOH, if they DO recognize Tuck, EVEN if there's no physical confrontation, that would mean the end of Tuck/Val's secret.
I'm not sure how much secret is left there, with the (false) rumors already flying about his wearing makeup to school. Tuck thinks there is, of course, and at present there's nobody actually calling him by a girl's name in the school corridors; THAT'D probably change if he's seen tonight.

Eric
Re: Tuck 131 [message #5322] Thu, 13 September 2007 19:40 Go to previous messageGo to next message
mkemp  is currently offline mkemp
Messages: 421
Registered: April 2006
Senior Member
Tangentially related to school: it seems as if the cosmetology class doesn't do much except nails, at least so far as we know (insert standard disclaimer about Tuck not being the most reliable of observers).

If the class starts putting on makeup Janet's likely to make a point about how pretty Tuck looks.

It's also possible (probable?) that one of the other girls upon seeing Tuck in makeup will exclaim, "Oh my God! You look just like this girl Valerie I saw at ...." Or maybe saying confidentially, "Val, is that you?"

Oh, and I had forgotten the bit about Travis and Val's phone number.
Re: Tuck 131 [message #5323] Thu, 13 September 2007 20:36 Go to previous messageGo to next message
lurker
Messages: 197
Registered: May 2004
Senior Member
Eric wrote on Wed, 12 September 2007 03:02


*** 06:56 14 Nov

..."Hey, like tell me about it, I've got my sister, AND her 'fiance' coming this year..." Kim sounded utterly disgusted, which was about how I felt. Mom's relatives were not nearly as cool as Dad's; I thought it might have something to do with the relative skin colors.

Took me a few minutes to figure this one out: clearly Tuck really does think of the Laniers as "Dad's relatives".
Eric

I also did a double take on that passage. It then occurred to me that there wasn't any reason that says Bill couldn't be part or all African-American. It could be another of Ellen's evil mind games on us, making us reflect at our own assumptions ... Twisted Evil
Re: Tuck 131 [message #5324] Thu, 13 September 2007 21:13 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Sir Lee  is currently offline Sir Lee
Messages: 440
Registered: October 2003
Location: São Paulo, Brazil
Senior Member
lurker wrote on Thu, 13 September 2007 21:36


I also did a double take on that passage. It then occurred to me that there wasn't any reason that says Bill couldn't be part or all African-American. It could be another of Ellen's evil mind games on us, making us reflect at our own assumptions ... Twisted Evil



Actually, it has been stated in-story that Bill enlisted mostly *to get away from his family*, who were called "a bunch of religious cultists" or somesuch, and who he hasn't contacted since. Also, regarding the July 4 festivities, I'm pretty sure that the Laniers have been called "Dad's family." And Bill has told Tuck in-story how he met Lanier, in the Army -- so they aren't blood relatives.

Both of which add up to: Bill broke any ties to his blood relatives way back in the late sixties/early seventies, and adopted Lanier's family as his own.

As for him being fully or partly African-American? I don't recall any direct evidence for this. I *suppose* it's not impossible, Ellen is certainly devious enough when it suits her -- although I don't see the point of keeping this under wraps for this long.

But I think there's enough evidence to the contrary spread around the story, both in the form of elements of appearance Tuck mentioned for people in his family, and in the general way he regards/describes other people. I mean, he occasionally mentions somebody is black, or Oriental, but I don't remember him describing anybody as "white". It's a mindset thing, you tend to remark on things that are different from you: if Tuck considered himself even partially black, he would tend to mention white-ness in other people.

Also, the Rat Boyz trade friendly racial epithets (particularly Mike and Tuck), like "gook," "round-eyes" and "chocolate boy" (regarding Book) all the time, but nothing suggesting Tuck was anything but Caucasian -- I think if Tuck were even a very light-skinned mulatto, it would come up.

Sir Lee


Don't call me Shirley. You will surely make me surly.
Re: Tuck 131 [message #5326] Fri, 14 September 2007 08:11 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Ellen Hayes  is currently offline Ellen Hayes
Messages: 684
Registered: September 2002
Senior Member
Sir Lee wrote on Fri, 14 September 2007 02:13

... I think if Tuck were even a very light-skinned mulatto, it would come up.

"Cork it, octaroon!"
Yeah, it would have come up several times before now; the insult is both too obscure and too simple for Mike&co to NOT use, if it were applicable.
Sedecimaroon? That would be an even better insult (more obscure), but Mike would have to look it up... but I managed.

(wanders off in a mild fog of etymological engineering)
Ellen
nosig
Re: Tuck 131 [message #5328] Mon, 17 September 2007 16:53 Go to previous messageGo to next message
mkemp  is currently offline mkemp
Messages: 421
Registered: April 2006
Senior Member
Things between Tuck and Pam may get Interesting:
-I can't find the reference at the moment but the two of them kinda share a sense of loss - Pam about dancing and Tuck about being a normal guy; and
-Sabrina and Pam had an argument about Tuck/Val and guns:
"I can't believe she'd do something like that! Pointing a GUN at
somebody?!"
"Well, hell, Pam, remember what happened a week ago? His dad said
that Tuck almost DIED, and some of that was from the cheerleaders
beating on him. I'd..."
"Why didn't they just call the police?"
"Oh come on," Sabrina said scornfully.
"Well why not?" Pam challenged. "They'd have come and, you know,
whatever. If he was that scared-"
"Remember that nightmare?" Sabrina reminded her. "If Val- Tuck-
Damnit! Whatever," she huffed, "if Tuck had been THAT scared AND
thought the cheerleaders were coming back- IN his house alread-"
"So why not call the police?"
"Pam, you can get killed in five SECONDS. Waiting five MINUTES
for th-"
"Well why didn't he make- I mean, he had almost all his friends
there! Doesn't he trust them?"
"If he just woke up from a nightmare, how was he supposed to know
where they were?"
"Well why did she have to... I mean, a GUN?"
"You say that like they're evil, Pam-"
"Well I think they are!"
Sabrina stared at her friend. "You WHAT?"
"Look at how much trouble, how many people are killed in this
country with guns every year?"
"Guns aren't the problem-"
"Yes they ARE! They make it too easy to kill-"
Re: Tuck 131 [message #5331] Mon, 17 September 2007 21:33 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Eric  is currently offline Eric
Messages: 641
Registered: January 2003
Location: San Francisco
Senior Member
mkemp wrote on Mon, 17 September 2007 13:53

Things between Tuck and Pam may get Interesting:
[...]
-Sabrina and Pam had an argument about Tuck/Val and guns...

You're right, of course. But it'd take a pretty significant event to get Tuck and a firearm together late at night with his parents home, now that Ellen has decided that he can't even leave the bedroom level after the house is locked down without disabling (or setting off) internal alarms -- or so Tuck thinks.

(We don't know, actually, about the emergency chute to the basement; the alarm system presumably wouldn't have been armed during the daytime, when the family was home, which was the one time we've seen Tuck use it.)

Eric
Re: Tuck 131 [message #5332] Tue, 18 September 2007 02:19 Go to previous messageGo to next message
mkemp  is currently offline mkemp
Messages: 421
Registered: April 2006
Senior Member
I wasn't thinking about Tuck and firearms; I was just thinking that Pam's mindset may prove to be a major point of contention between the two of them. It also might be an opportunity for anti-hoplophobia therapy.

I also seem to remember someone at a sleepover thinking something about Val not being quite as cute and cuddly as she had first assumed.
Re: Tuck 131 finally up. [message #5401] Thu, 27 September 2007 23:19 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Erik  is currently offline Erik
Messages: 18
Registered: December 2006
Location: Golden, Colorado
Junior Member
Lets review the sequence with Travis.

In the episode100 "Mother Tucker" there was a big fight with Travis.

In the episode 103 "The Tuck Stops Here" Tuck gets several messages from Travis.

Then the attack occures in 104 "Goodbye Cruel World".

In 109 "One of These Days" Travis complains to Lisa that he only has the pager number.

In 111 ""The Gunner's Dream" Tuck get's home.

in 121 "Tuck That Back" Valerie is convinced that the fight seems to have really been a breakup with Travis.

I've lost track. In which episode did Valarie visit Travis's apartment and encounter what she thought was the new Girl Friend exititng the place?

The more I think about it the more I'm convinced that Travis still thinks that Valerie is still his lover.

Should be interesting if Travis is bowling when the Parker's show up at the Bowling Alley.

ERIK in Golden, Colorado










You are not paranoid. We really are out to get you.
Re: Tuck 131 finally up. [message #6523] Sat, 20 November 2010 11:07 Go to previous messageGo to next message
stanman  is currently offline stanman
Messages: 292
Registered: May 2008
Senior Member
HUH?
Re: Tuck 131 finally up. [message #6525] Sat, 20 November 2010 17:16 Go to previous messageGo to next message
mkemp  is currently offline mkemp
Messages: 421
Registered: April 2006
Senior Member
I think Jesi's userid has been hacked.
Re: Tuck 131 finally up. [message #6527] Mon, 22 November 2010 05:33 Go to previous message
stanman  is currently offline stanman
Messages: 292
Registered: May 2008
Senior Member
ok
Previous Topic:Some questions about Chapter 67: Tucker Punched
Next Topic:Tuck 124
Goto Forum:
  


Current Time: Thu Sep 20 00:23:31 EDT 2018

Total time taken to generate the page: 0.02759 seconds
.:: Contact :: Home ::.

Powered by: FUDforum 2.7.7.
Copyright ©2001-2007 FUD Forum Bulletin Board Software