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icon5.gif  Tuck's developement as a female [message #5556] Mon, 10 December 2007 20:26 Go to next message
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The way tuck seems to be growing, it seems he is closer to being a female than a male.

Shouldn't tuck have some kind of period or something similar?
Like he could begin cramping and not know why - end up at the Doc and she tells him he's having a period or at least an equivalent...

He doesn't seem to be developing as a male at all at the moment. This is just I thought I had while reading.

[Updated on: Mon, 10 December 2007 20:27]


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Re: Tuck's developement as a female [message #5557] Mon, 10 December 2007 22:26 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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We've actually discussed this before. Some of us think that it's possible to track Tuck's period by emotional cues in the story. Smile

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Re: Tuck's developement as a female [message #5558] Tue, 11 December 2007 00:22 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Wha...

That caught me off guard. I guess I should try re-reading it all (hopefully before 134-135 is released).


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Re: Tuck's developement as a female [message #5564] Tue, 11 December 2007 21:44 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Mia wrote on Mon, 10 December 2007 17:26

The way tuck seems to be growing, it seems he is closer to being a female than a male.

Shouldn't tuck have some kind of period or something similar?
Like he could begin cramping and not know why - end up at the Doc and she tells him he's having a period or at least an equivalent...

He doesn't seem to be developing as a male at all at the moment. This is just I thought I had while reading.



Go back and re-read the chapter where Sarah explains his medical problems.

He *can't* have a "proper" period (nor cramps) because he doesn't have a uterus.

He could have some hormone only effects, but those are mostly limited (as far as you can tell without tests) to emotional states.

If he starts on T (testosterone) he could be in for a *real* roller coaster ride.
Re: Tuck's developement as a female [message #5565] Tue, 11 December 2007 23:48 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Sharon never specifically says that there is no uterus. And what of the "unidentified mass" mentioned. It could be some kind of tumor; however, Ellen never specified beyond the 'possibility' of it being a tumor.


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Re: Tuck's developement as a female [message #5569] Wed, 12 December 2007 09:20 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Mia wrote on Wed, 12 December 2007 04:48

Sharon never specifically says that there is no uterus. And what of the "unidentified mass" mentioned. It could be some kind of tumor; however, Ellen never specified beyond the 'possibility' of it being a tumor.


Probably just a parasitic twin knowing Tuck's luck. (ew) Twisted Evil


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Re: Tuck's developement as a female [message #5570] Wed, 12 December 2007 17:13 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Re: Tuck's developement as a female [message #5571] Wed, 12 December 2007 18:24 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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rachel.greenham wrote on Wed, 12 December 2007 12:20

Probably just a parasitic twin knowing Tuck's luck. (ew) Twisted Evil


And he's ALREADY a chimera...


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Re: Tuck's developement as a female [message #5573] Thu, 13 December 2007 02:51 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Sarah never said because without exploratory surgery, they couldn't tell what it was. But (from context) it's in the position where you'd expect an ovary.

However, if Tuck *did* have a uterus, it *would* have been mentioned. After all, she *did* mention that the one ovary appeared to have part of a fallopian tube.

A uterus is just a *hair* more noticeable. It'd also (in most people's eyes) end the "Is Tuck female" questions in a hurry.


Re: Tuck's developement as a female [message #5582] Fri, 14 December 2007 23:57 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Brooke wrote on Thu, 13 December 2007 07:51

A uterus is just a *hair* more noticeable. It'd also (in most people's eyes) end the "Is Tuck female" questions in a hurry.


So would a penis.


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Re: Tuck's developement as a female [message #5587] Mon, 17 December 2007 02:39 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Ellen Hayes wrote on Fri, 14 December 2007 20:57

Brooke wrote on Thu, 13 December 2007 07:51

A uterus is just a *hair* more noticeable. It'd also (in most people's eyes) end the "Is Tuck female" questions in a hurry.


So would a penis.


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Which brings us back to square one Rolling Eyes


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Re: Tuck's developement as a female [message #5588] Mon, 17 December 2007 11:27 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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chapter 96 of Tuck

16:27 25 Sep

What Mom drew this time looked like she'd superimposed the previous two, male and female, on top of each other, then erased lines randomly.

Which was a rough analogy of what had happened to me.

"External penis," Mom pointed out, "no testes, a small scrotum. Urethra goes through the penis, though there's some question about whether he started with it there."

"What?" someone asked, maybe me.

Mom's jaw tightened. "They found a bit of scarring, Eugene, as if someone had done some repair work around the time you were born. No one EVER told either of us ANYTHING about it." I hoped that my friends recognized the danger signs; Mom was about to go off, and it would be best if she didn't, because the one she'd want to hit wasn't even in this state.

...


One ovary and no testes would indicate female as far as biology is concerned. While Tuck has a penis, it required surgery which makes one wonder; what was it like before that? Was that surgery to allow Tuck to piss like a boy instead of like a girl?

Also was the scarring just on the penis or also on the scrotum?




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Re: Tuck's developement as a female [message #5589] Mon, 17 December 2007 20:56 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Josea wrote on Mon, 17 December 2007 08:27

chapter 96 of Tuck

16:27 25 Sep

What Mom drew this time looked like she'd superimposed the previous two, male and female, on top of each other, then erased lines randomly.

Which was a rough analogy of what had happened to me.

"External penis," Mom pointed out, "no testes, a small scrotum. Urethra goes through the penis, though there's some question about whether he started with it there."

"What?" someone asked, maybe me.

Mom's jaw tightened. "They found a bit of scarring, Eugene, as if someone had done some repair work around the time you were born. No one EVER told either of us ANYTHING about it." I hoped that my friends recognized the danger signs; Mom was about to go off, and it would be best if she didn't, because the one she'd want to hit wasn't even in this state.

...


One ovary and no testes would indicate female as far as biology is concerned. While Tuck has a penis, it required surgery which makes one wonder; what was it like before that? Was that surgery to allow Tuck to piss like a boy instead of like a girl?


Intersex isn't as uncommon as most folks think. And one of the more "common" types is a clitoris that looks more like a penis.

Somewhere I have a picture from a medical website (nor longer available) that shows the genitals of a young girl. Her clitoris looks like an appropriately sized (for her age) penis, complete with foreskin.

Likewise, there's a defect where the opening of the urethra isn't at the glans of the penis, but farther down the shaft, even at the base (about where it is on a female).

So, given a *very* enlarged clitoris and the urethral opening in a non standard location, but no other apparent indications of "female", standard procedure would be to relocate the urethral opening to the "proper" location.

If Tuck's clitoris had been smaller, the "corrective" procedure would have been to cut it down to "normal" female suze.

And all too often, the parents are *not* consulted before the doctors do these surgeries. Sad

Josea wrote on Mon, 17 December 2007 08:27

Also was the scarring just on the penis or also on the scrotum?



Probably just on the penis (from relocating the urethral opening. The scrotum wouldn't be involved.

Only reason for scarring on the scrotum would be if it was "split" (can't recall the right term) so that it was two seperate sacs. Another not uncommon defect.

If you've ever examined a guy's scrotum close up, that line that looks like a seam running down the center? It really is one. It's where the tissues that turn into either the labia minora or the scrotum fused together. Which happens relatively late as I recall.

Re: Tuck's developement as a female [message #5608] Tue, 25 December 2007 16:14 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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I know at least one older man who is has exactly the arrangement Brooke is describing: a small but (mostly) functional penis over a partial vaginal opening. Had he been born a few years later, he probably would have been re-assigned as female. I'm not certain if he was raised male or female (his name is a gender-neutral one, though that may be one he adopted); today, he is most decidedly male in gender and appearance, and I didn't see any signs of surgical scars on his chest (and I got a very close look Smile).

As I understand it, they are less likely to immediately apply 'corrective' measures these days than in the past, though I may be wrong. It sounds as if it's now preferred to wait until they child starts showing some sort of clear-cut gendered behavior first, and make the 'correction' based on that; too many cases have come up where they'd guessed wrong - and many intersexed people are also bi-gendered, which makes it even less desirable to take surgical steps. That is not to say that it isn't done any more, but supposedly it's not an automatic decision the way it would have been in the 1970s and 1980s.

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Re: Tuck's developement as a female [message #5744] Sat, 10 May 2008 22:44 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Tuck as a female would be interesting to explore because there are at least three guys that would interest her. Mike as her brother from another mother would be her best choice because we know that he would never hurt Valerie. Travis is another, but Valerie would have to deal with a few issues before dating him just like Tuck needs to deal with Debbie if they are ever to date again. Then there is that guy from Stepwise Pogoda. He was interested in Tuck and Valerie.
Re: Tuck's developement as a female [message #6205] Mon, 30 March 2009 11:01 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Love interests:

Travis: Travis only saw Val as a girl. Even though he has seen Val naked, he saw nothing out of the ordinary because he psychologically chose not to see anything. If he was forced to see Val as Tuck, he would most like have a breakdown from the implications.

Mike: Ewwww! Mike IS his brother even if not genetically. Even if Tuck chose to change his birth certificate and live as a female, Mike would still be the brother.

Jack: I don't think so. Though Jack doesn't have any problems with Tu-Val, he does worry about Tuck, but not in a romantic way. There is no real chemistry between the two.

Debbie: Tucks first. If it were not for the psychological baggage they both carry it would have been a great match up. I do hope that they are able to finally put things behind them. Both know that neither can truly be blamed for the things that have happened, however, the desertion in California will be a tough thing to get over. And Tuck may never remember what happened on the way home. Which is fine, an unsolved mystery is good flavor for this kind of story.

Jill: Friends with benefits? Doomed from the start. But the good thing is that Tuck discovers though he hasn't formally acknowledged it that he could be at least bisexual. Even though Travis could be the only guy he will ever have been with. The fact that Tuck could go both ways could be a deal breaker for anyone with whom Tuck has a relationship. The fact that if Tuck cheated, it could be someone with whom his current could not compete.

Pam: What a great gal. So she's taller than Tuck. That could be attractive to Tuck for comfort possibilities which he needs from time to time. Yes, her home life also is a wreck, meaning she also has baggage. Who doesn't in this tale. In fact, the only thing conspicuously absent so far is a pregnant cheerleader, or at least someone pregnant. I would like to see Pam stay with Tuck at least through High School.

note to Ellen: kay sera sera Smile

Well, I think that's enough for today.

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Re: Tuck's developement as a female [message #6206] Mon, 30 March 2009 15:03 Go to previous message
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Not anyone CURRENTLY pregnant, but...

Susan (Tuck's sister) had an abortion.


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