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Newly corrupted linux user [message #5575] Fri, 14 December 2007 02:01 Go to next message
Mia  is currently offline Mia
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So, yeah - Birth of a new noob. I found a nice Live CD version of linux called Knoppix. Atleast I'm told it's a nice version.
So if anyone wants to tell me where to go from running it - feel free. Laughing


no really, I'm lost.


severely depressed right now.
need to scream.
Re: Newly corrupted linux user [message #5576] Fri, 14 December 2007 08:23 Go to previous messageGo to next message
rachel.greenham  is currently offline rachel.greenham
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Mia wrote on Fri, 14 December 2007 07:01

So, yeah - Birth of a new noob. I found a nice Live CD version of linux called Knoppix. Atleast I'm told it's a nice version.
So if anyone wants to tell me where to go from running it - feel free. Laughing


no really, I'm lost.


http://www.ubuntu.com

Enjoy.


Rachel
Re: Newly corrupted linux user [message #5578] Fri, 14 December 2007 19:09 Go to previous messageGo to next message
mkemp  is currently offline mkemp
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Think of it as an automatic weapon with a full magazine and no safety. Remember that it's case sensitive and 'file extensions' are just conventions.

Are you using gnome or KDE, or mainly typing on the command line?
Re: Newly corrupted linux user [message #5579] Fri, 14 December 2007 20:27 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Sir Lee  is currently offline Sir Lee
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Knoppix is a KDE-based distro. I believe there's a sister project based on Gnome called Gnoppix.

Ubuntu, OTOH, is Gnome-based by default, but there are sister projects based on KDE (Kubuntu) and Xfce (Xubuntu).

They are both derived from Debian, but with different approaches. Knoppix is primarily a LiveCD distro (I believe it was the first really successful one), but nowadays can also be installed on a hard drive. Ubuntu came in the opposite direction: is primarily a hard disk-based distro, but can also be used as a LiveCD.

Knoppix started life, among other things, as a rescue disk, that is, a tool for advanced users and sysadmins. Ubuntu was designed primarily for end-users, at a time in which most distros focused on servers. Both were highly influential: nowadays, most major distros are available as installable LiveCDs and the user-friendliness has grown by leaps and bounds.


Don't call me Shirley. You will surely make me surly.
Re: Newly corrupted linux user [message #5580] Fri, 14 December 2007 21:23 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Erin Halfelven  is currently offline Erin Halfelven
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I generally use CentOS which seems more intended for use on servers since it is a free version of RedHat. No particular reason except that Bob Arnold uses it, too. It's just the one we ended up with.

I also have Ubuntu installed on one of my Macs and a very old version of RedHat on a BYOC under the desk.

- Erin
Re: Newly corrupted linux user [message #5584] Sat, 15 December 2007 07:56 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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I've gotten used to Debian, probably because I get along with the apt utility - boot the net-install CD, load the minimal system to get started then use apt to fetch packages. I use it for a couple of servers and one workstation (advertisement: my home website is hosted on "hadrian" and can be reached at http://enthusiasts.dyn-o-saur.com/. I copied my HTML final project to it, just for fun. You can see a pic of hadrian there.)

I still use XP on my main workstation, and one of the servers runs Win 2003 Server.
Re: Newly corrupted linux user [message #5585] Sat, 15 December 2007 20:07 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Once I get done upgrading a used system for a friend, I'm going to toss the 40 meg HD from it into her ancient box and try installing Kubuntu on it.

Gonna try that because a friend pointed out the fact that you could run it as a LiveCD, then once you had it configured right, click an icon and it'd install that setup on the HD.

My previous *nix experience was with a shell account on a friend's Xenix box.

Though when I get a chance, I've got a Cobalt Raq 4 server that I need to do a fresh install on. Since it's essentially the same as what my domain host is using, I'll be able to debug some stuff on it before asking them to try getting it to work on there.
Re: Newly corrupted linux user [message #5586] Sat, 15 December 2007 21:50 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Ellen Hayes  is currently offline Ellen Hayes
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Linux nowadays can often be like Windows without the games, except it runs way better on older computers, and crashes less.

Also, any Debian based system, including Knoppix and Ubuntu, keep a lot of the software you'd want to run in their pools; which means you don't have to go out and buy it or find it someplace, it's already "ready for download" via the package management system.

And no pesky registration either.


How lost are you? Are any of these comments making sense to you?


Ellen
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Re: Newly corrupted linux user [message #5612] Wed, 26 December 2007 13:52 Go to previous message
Schol-R-LEA  is currently offline Schol-R-LEA
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For a new Linux user, Ubuntu is probably the best right now (unless you have a perverse desire to part with cash money for a system that pretends to be Windows, in which case you might consider Linspire). It does a lot of the same hand-holding Windows does, without forcing it on you, and (IMO) does it better - the Synaptic front-end for aptitude is quite slick, and while it isn't specific to Ubuntu, it is better integrated than in most other distros. The default installation comes with a lot of software, and the whole repository system is extensive - though that's true of most major Linux flavors these days.

Ubuntu also has the best international support I've seen, and has versions (e.g., XUbuntu) which can work on really old hardware - not surprising given that it was originally designed for third-world users.

That having been said, I will make the heretical claim that Linux is not, inherently, better than Windows or MacOS; or more specifically, that it does not have fewer problems than they do. It has different problems than they do, and requires more work on your part, and each distro has it's pluses and minuses. However, a lot of those problems can be gotten around with some elbow grease, and you can, to some degree, choose the specific sorts of headaches you're willing to put up with by selecting the right distro. If you are really serious about it, you can go LFS and build it to your own needs, or even hack up your own modified kernel.

Every OS sucks; but with Linux, you at least can choose how it sucks, to some degree, if you're willing to put in the effort.

If that's not enough, you can always go to FreeBSD... or Plan 9... or FreeDOS... or AROS... or SkyOS... or Syllable... or wait around for Haiku or ReactOS or any of a hundred other projects to be ready. None or them have the hardware support or user base that Windows or MacOS or even Linux have, but they are around if you go looking.

And if all else fails, you can write your own damn operating system if you really want to. Not a serious option for most people, but the choice to try is always there.

The main things that Windows offers is that it is everywhere, it is supported by the major vendors out of the box, it holds your hand on everything if you need it to (and even if you don't), and is the easy choice for someone who doesn't care how well (or how badly) their computer runs. For most people, that's enough. But it is not the only choice by any stretch of the imagination.

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