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Let me get this straight... [message #5593] Sun, 23 December 2007 01:36 Go to next message
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I just started reading tuck in early November of this year. I finished through Chapter 133 four days ago. I read Tuck Season (the one posted on barkingduck.net) within the four days and I enjoy it just as much as I do the saga.

Is this Ellen's first story of Tuck, or is it a rewrite of what I've seen called "The Original Tucky Seasons.

Is Ellen going to write (or edit the original?) any more of this? I'm kind of stuck in the suspence of the 5th chapter and I want to know what's next.


[Edit - not November, early October]

[Updated on: Sun, 23 December 2007 01:40]


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Re: Let me get this straight... [message #5595] Sun, 23 December 2007 06:25 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Mia wrote on Sun, 23 December 2007 06:36

Is this Ellen's first story of Tuck, or is it a rewrite of what I've seen called "The Original Tucky Seasons.


I'd really like to know who the fuck is passing that original around... they aren't supposed to be doing that. I take that back; I'd like people to stop passing it around, more than I want to know who it is.

I'd have to check dates, but sometime in early Tuck, I couldn't restrain my desire to write the intersection of Tuck and Jane. I did that, with "ehhhh" results - see other posts. And after that, other people (mostly Tigger) wrote more Jane/Seasons stuff, clarifying the characters, adding new characters, taking what I'd said about the location (no, really; Rigger and I emailed about where the hell it was, based on the town names) but hadn't really nailed down, things like that. So, it really could use a rewrite for a couple of reasons, and I had STATED that the original was a first draft version...

Mia wrote on Sun, 23 December 2007 06:36

Is Ellen going to write (or edit the original?) any more of this?



Ellen "should be" rewriting Tucky Seasons to completion, and has two more chapters sort of stuck in proofing limbo; and has a very good idea of what is to happen during the rest of the summer; but "shoulds" are not something Ellen manages to complete very well lately, because Ellen is Fucked Up In The Head.


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Re: Let me get this straight... [message #5603] Sun, 23 December 2007 20:14 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Ellen Hayes wrote on Sun, 23 December 2007 03:25

Mia wrote on Sun, 23 December 2007 06:36

Is this Ellen's first story of Tuck, or is it a rewrite of what I've seen called "The Original Tucky Seasons.


I'd really like to know who the fuck is passing that original around... they aren't supposed to be doing that. I take that back; I'd like people to stop passing it around, more than I want to know who it is.


It's the internet archive (aka "the wayback machine") most likely.

Re: Let me get this straight... [message #5606] Mon, 24 December 2007 13:48 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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To be fair, from the way she wrote I don't believe Mia actually SAW the older draft of "Tuck Seasons." It seems she saw it MENTIONED in the forums and is curious about the relationship between the two versions.

So, yes, Mia, the version currently available is a rewrite of the earlier version. The chapters publicly available are a revised & expanded version of the beginning of that draft. Ellen pulled the draft because she is not satisfied with it. I have a copy of that earlier draft, but Ellen asked people to *NOT* pass it around, and I abide by her wishes; so, sorry, but I won't help you get a copy.

(I have been in the other side of this, and I know it sucks -- a few years ago I lost a number of archived stories from my disk, and some of them are no longer available on the Net, and I can't get them again. But respect is the least we owe to Web authors. Money is better.)


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Re: Let me get this straight... [message #5615] Sun, 30 December 2007 13:53 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Lee, has it right. I saw it mentioned in a few posts on this forum and wasn't sure what the difference was bewtween the two versions.

But - It's not that i'm looking for a copy of the first draft, I just wanted to know if Ellen would ever post the complete series onto Barkinduck, which she said she would.

Thanks for the help Smile


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Re: Let me get this straight... [message #5616] Mon, 31 December 2007 21:04 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Mia wrote on Sun, 30 December 2007 18:53

I just wanted to know if Ellen would ever post the complete series onto Barkinduck, which she said she would.


Ummm...

*begins crying, runs to room, slams door*


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Re: Let me get this straight... [message #5618] Mon, 07 January 2008 23:15 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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...um...

I didn't mean it like that?

I just meant that I enjoy reading these a lot and am anxious to see more...



I'm sorry...


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Re: Let me get this straight... [message #5714] Fri, 02 May 2008 23:22 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Actually, Tuck to me needs to open up with Jane and Charlene. Because if not, when his friends show up, Aunt Jane will be in trouble.
Re: Let me get this straight... [message #5715] Sat, 03 May 2008 00:27 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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stanman wrote on Fri, 02 May 2008 23:22

Actually, Tuck to me needs to open up with Jane and Charlene. Because if not, when his friends show up, Aunt Jane will be in trouble.


Why is this bad, again?

Child abuser, in trouble ... where's the problem?

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Re: Let me get this straight... [message #5716] Sat, 03 May 2008 21:37 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Amy! wrote on Fri, 02 May 2008 21:27

stanman wrote on Fri, 02 May 2008 23:22

Actually, Tuck to me needs to open up with Jane and Charlene. Because if not, when his friends show up, Aunt Jane will be in trouble.


Why is this bad, again?

Child abuser, in trouble ... where's the problem?


Jane is not a child abuser. Though folks who've oinly read the current version of Tucky Seasons and haven't read any of the original Seasons stories might easily get that impression.
Re: Let me get this straight... [message #5719] Sun, 04 May 2008 00:29 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Brooke wrote on Sat, 03 May 2008 21:37


Jane is not a child abuser. Though folks who've oinly read the current version of Tucky Seasons and haven't read any of the original Seasons stories might easily get that impression.



Not true.

I have read all the seasons stories (with difficulty ... drugging, intimidating, and threatening children, no matter how wild they are said to have been, gives me fits), as a duty/favor to a friend.

And see my previous post. Consequently, your assertion, however much it soothes you, is demonstrably false.

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Re: Let me get this straight... [message #5725] Mon, 05 May 2008 19:18 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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[I made a point something like this Once Upon A Time but it seems to have evaporated, probaby during some server maintenance.]

I, too, have read the other Seasons stories, but that's not the point. A story in a series must be able to stand alone and not assume any knowledge of the rest of the series. This story, Tuck Season, presents a rather abusive picture of Jane. Tuck is not the most unbiased of observers but what he reports is abuse. There were times when I almost expected Tuck, while at dinner, to walk behind Jane, push her head forward and stick a knife into her medulla oblongata through the foramen magnum. (The cutting of throats is sooo sloppy and it takes too long for them to die. They flop around and make all kindsa noise, too.)

"Drug me, steal my stuff and lock me up; treat me like a prisoner of war and I'll act like a prisoner of war." Of course, this was written before the "War on Terror"(sm), or else it would be "detainee at Gitmo." The only restraint on a POW is that the POW may be tried for crimes committed during an escape attempt - POWs have been convicted and legally executed for killing someone. I don't really think that Tuck would quite go that far but these are extreme circumsatances, in his mind.
Re: Let me get this straight... [message #5732] Wed, 07 May 2008 19:30 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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mkemp wrote on Mon, 05 May 2008 16:18

[I made a point something like this Once Upon A Time but it seems to have evaporated, probaby during some server maintenance.]

I, too, have read the other Seasons stories, but that's not the point. A story in a series must be able to stand alone and not assume any knowledge of the rest of the series. This story, Tuck Season, presents a rather abusive picture of Jane. Tuck is not the most unbiased of observers but what he reports is abuse. There were times when I almost expected Tuck, while at dinner, to walk behind Jane, push her head forward and stick a knife into her medulla oblongata through the foramen magnum. (The cutting of throats is sooo sloppy and it takes too long for them to die. They flop around and make all kindsa noise, too.)

"Drug me, steal my stuff and lock me up; treat me like a prisoner of war and I'll act like a prisoner of war." Of course, this was written before the "War on Terror"(sm), or else it would be "detainee at Gitmo." The only restraint on a POW is that the POW may be tried for crimes committed during an escape attempt - POWs have been convicted and legally executed for killing someone. I don't really think that Tuck would quite go that far but these are extreme circumstances, in his mind.


All but the drugging are (unfortunately) perfectly legal and "acceptable" behavior from a parent or someone acting with parental authority (as both Jane and Tuck think is the case).

Look at what courts have accepted as "non-abusive" treatment of children by parents. Sad

Even the drugging could be argued (though I'd not be surprised if it was ruled as "crossing the line")

Alas, if you aren't legally adult or emancipated you ain't got *squat* for rights unless you get lucky in court.

Jane's actions (again with the exception of the drugging) are less abusive than your typical "boot camp". They are more apt to be considered out of line by the average person. But I know which I'd rather put up with.

Hell, having stuff taken away is nothing new. Being told it'd be *given back* would have shocked the heck out of me at that age.

Re: Let me get this straight... [message #5761] Tue, 20 May 2008 23:56 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Brooke wrote on Thu, 08 May 2008 00:30

A story in a series must be able to stand alone and not assume any knowledge of the rest of the series.


Brooke, have you ever watched a television series that had a story arc? Or, say, the Lord Of The Rings movies? Or the Star Wars movies?

Your assertion seems to be usual (though not universal) for print, but not in visual media; I don't know why.


Brooke wrote on Thu, 08 May 2008 00:30

There were times when I almost expected Tuck, while at dinner, to walk behind Jane, push her head forward and stick a knife into her medulla oblongata through the foramen magnum. (The cutting of throats is sooo sloppy and it takes too long for them to die. They flop around and make all kindsa noise, too.)


You say that like it's a bad thing. *bright smile*



Brooke wrote on Thu, 08 May 2008 00:30

All but the drugging are (unfortunately) perfectly legal and "acceptable" behavior from a parent or someone acting with parental authority (as both Jane and Tuck think is the case).
Look at what courts have accepted as "non-abusive" treatment of children by parents. Sad


Imagine a jury trial, in which Tuck related that he was told that he would be wearing WOMEN's clothing the entire time. Imagine the jury (which the Tuck-side lawyer would pack as much as possible with parents) and their reaction to this statement - which would be backed up by all prior students of Jane's.


Brooke wrote on Thu, 08 May 2008 00:30

Alas, if you aren't legally adult or emancipated you ain't got *squat* for rights unless you get lucky in court.


On the other hand, Child Protective Services (or whatever state equivalent) can be very interested in what is happening to a child. Again, the child itself has no real rights, but the child can trigger all sorts of legal hilarity.



And, I'm sorry, but in the real world, what Jane does is (or would be) abusive, sadistic, and permanently traumatizing.
Actually I'm not sorry either.


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Re: Let me get this straight... [message #5765] Wed, 21 May 2008 04:05 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Ellen, this first bit of what you were responding to was stuff I was quoting from someone else's post.

Pretty much the first half of your reply.
Re: Let me get this straight... [message #5767] Thu, 22 May 2008 03:13 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Now, I have read Tuck Squared and from what I understand is that in time, Valerie will go to see Sandy and Caro and while there, get her hair dyed black with a red streak. Whether that ids Sandy's choice or Tuck's I do not know. and then there is the dress shop as well. According to Valerie, she got a hold of Jane's credit card and had fun with it. and Ken visited. The placement of Teressa was to happen in both worlds. After that, Tuck and Mike take care of the snipers. Am I leaving out any thing? Personally, I would like to see Tucky Season go on.
Re: Let me get this straight... [message #5770] Thu, 22 May 2008 15:03 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Brooke wrote on Wed, 21 May 2008 09:05

Ellen, this first bit of what you were responding to was stuff I was quoting from someone else's post.


Um.
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Re: Let me get this straight... [message #5771] Thu, 22 May 2008 15:04 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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stanman wrote on Thu, 22 May 2008 08:13

Now, I have read Tuck Squared and from what I understand


Everything you "know" is WRONG.
Except the parts that, coincidentally, are not.


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Re: Let me get this straight... [message #5772] Thu, 22 May 2008 17:35 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Elaborating a bit on Ellen's answer:

"Tuck Squared" is based on the earlier, no-longer-published draft of "Tuck Season." Ellen is revising that earlier draft, and it may be that some or many elements on which "Tuck Squared" was based will no longer be part of the final story.

So, you shouldn't assume that anything WILL happen in "Tuck Season" from info you got from "Tuck Squared." Although I think Ellen liked "Tuck Squared," ultimately Tuck is HER character and she will write what she feels right, not to fit another writer's story.

When the new "Tuck Season" is ready (I have faith in Ellen), then Rachel might decide to revise "Tuck Squared" to fit the new storyline, if necessary. Or if they prove to be irreconcilable, she might add a note explaining the discrepancy. Or something. Until then, just enjoy the writing.

[Updated on: Thu, 22 May 2008 17:36]


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Re: Let me get this straight... [message #5773] Thu, 22 May 2008 23:25 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Well, i have enjoyed Tuck and seasons as far as it has been written. But i also see where Valerie and Jane need to have a long talk. Perhaps after a nightmare, Val will open up about her past. The only thing is in doing that, Jane might think that her parents are abusing Val, not the kids at school.
Re: Let me get this straight... [message #5779] Fri, 23 May 2008 23:28 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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stanman wrote on Thu, 22 May 2008 23:25

Well, i have enjoyed Tuck and seasons as far as it has been written. But i also see where Valerie and Jane need to have a long talk. Perhaps after a nightmare, Val will open up about her past. The only thing is in doing that, Jane might think that her parents are abusing Val, not the kids at school.


/me Boggles and Falls Down

That's truly utterly surreal. I mean ... there are people who are aware that Tuck has nightmares, but is there anyone, apart from Sheila (well, and *us*, the readers), who knows any details?

I dunno ... the thought of Val opening up to Jane in that fashion has me imagining Val in long blonde braids and a dirndl. "These are a few of my favorite things."[1]

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Re: Let me get this straight... [message #5780] Sat, 24 May 2008 07:11 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Think bout this then; Jane could help Tuck to overcome the nightmares by rooting out the reason or giving him strength to deal with them, but that would not be as much fun.
Re: Let me get this straight... [message #7164] Wed, 01 August 2012 00:26 Go to previous message
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It's been a long time since some one commented on this thread but I have to ask this: How do you think that Val will ever open up to Jane? After all for the most part Val sees (and rightly so) Jane as her enemy.

Part of this is Val not listening at the beginning of the experience but another part of it is that Jane drugged her. Jane has also been producing what could be termed in any case KP. Any copies of her surveillance videos would be like dynamite to a DA with half his brain pickled in formaldehyde.

Unless Val come to see Jane as an ally then she will never be able to open up to her.

And last: Opening up and discussing issues rarely stops nightmares. Feeling safe stops nightmares. When Val feels safe the nightmares will stop.

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