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Tuck 138 [message #5847] Tue, 17 June 2008 22:18 Go to next message
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Ellen announced chapter 138 on her site. Unfortunately, I keep getting a "Forbidden" error when I try to open it...

Oh, well... Firefox 3.0 AND a Tuck chapter in the same day... It was a bit too much to hope for. (And mozilla.com apparently is overwhelmed by downloaders, too...)


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Re: Tuck 138 [message #5850] Wed, 18 June 2008 02:25 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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I knew if I started a re-read we'd get a new episode before I finished!

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Re: Tuck 138 [message #5851] Wed, 18 June 2008 04:06 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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I enjoyed this, A LOT. Plenty of meat in this one and stuff to think about. I'm interested in seeing where it goes next.

- Erin
Re: Tuck 138 [message #5852] Wed, 18 June 2008 08:42 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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This chapter was a gas. Val really knows what Ricky is going through. How will Tuck help Ricky though, That's the question. I wonder what sort of mind f**k he has ready for those girls.
Re: Tuck 138 [message #5853] Thu, 19 June 2008 15:35 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Tuck, Mike and Ricky, plus the Parkers and a Teacher or two are probably gonna scare those little bitches so bad they'll wet themselves. Then receive Punishments from the school and their own parental units.

On another note, do you think we'll see Julia, Kim, Pam and Val on stage with the band? Possibly with a very light accompaniment to show off the girls' voices? With interpretive dance by Val and Pam? Harmonica by Jill(?)

If they're a large-enough hit they could do on-the-bus tutoring instead of high school while touring to sold-out arenas around the country. Or maybe they'll contract with Kelly's dad and Sabrina to fly them around. Marketing by D & E, Inc. Security by Mike and Da Boyz. Math instruction by Bill.

This reminds me: when is Sabrina going to meet Kelly's dad, and how is she gonna feel when she finds out that pilots don't do much math besides using a "flight computer" (really just a specialized circular slide rule)? [I'm a (currently inactive) pilot and I know about this.]
Re: Tuck 138 [message #5854] Thu, 19 June 2008 20:25 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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mkemp wrote on Thu, 19 June 2008 12:35

Tuck, Mike and Ricky, plus the Parkers and a Teacher or two are probably gonna scare those little bitches so bad they'll wet themselves. Then receive Punishments from the school and their own parental units.


I'm worried that Val admitted on a report of kicking the girl that attacked Ricky in front of him. Val would not be viewed as a victim and could place her into legal exposure....

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On another note, do you think we'll see Julia, Kim, Pam and Val on stage with the band? Possibly with a very light accompaniment to show off the girls' voices? With interpretive dance by Val and Pam? Harmonica by Jill(?)


I can see Jack playing with the concept of a "girl group" to do a couple of songs to open the act for Stepwise Pagoda....

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This reminds me: when is Sabrina going to meet Kelly's dad, and how is she gonna feel when she finds out that pilots don't do much math besides using a "flight computer" (really just a specialized circular slide rule)? [I'm a (currently inactive) pilot and I know about this.]


Well, the problem is she will still need to know enough math - basically algebra and a little trig - to get through the FAA exam. (The EB-6 slide rule you mentioned is a joke, and the electronic calculator versions are no better!) She will only find out later that real pilots today just get the airplane in the air with an autopilot and a GPS....They just have to make sure they punch in the right airport! Smile
(PDX=Portland, PDK=Peachtree /Atlanta) If you didn't notice the difference between the X and the K on a small LCD, you'll go the wrong way! Laughing

Re: Tuck 138 [message #5855] Fri, 20 June 2008 09:58 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Re: Val admitting kicking the girl that attacked Ricky - I think that it could be claimed as part of a valid "defense of another," especially since Val "kicked her very lightly in the side, barely enough to make her move."

Re: Jack's "girl group" - Yeah, that'd work. <grin>

Re: pilots and math - it's admittedly been (mumble) years since I sat for the FAA written but I don't remember anything that was beyond an E6B. Actual flying was easier - I just didn't fly when the wind was very much over the maximum crosswind component (it was bumpy and un-fun at that point anyway) and my ex and flew Cessna 172s with two people and no luggage. Density altitude in the Denver area during the summer was a concern, though ("Let's see - runway elevation at FTG is 5500 and the temp is 99. Do we really want to go flying?")
Re: Tuck 138 [message #5856] Fri, 20 June 2008 23:06 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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I am wondering if Mike sees Tuck more as Val or Tuck now.
Re: Tuck 138 [message #5857] Sat, 21 June 2008 08:04 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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mkemp wrote on Thu, 19 June 2008 12:35

Tuck, Mike and Ricky, plus the Parkers and a Teacher or two are probably gonna scare those little bitches so bad they'll wet themselves. Then receive Punishments from the school and their own parental units.


Alas, the odds of teachers actually *doing* anything are slim to none unless this is a *very* unusual school.

The Parkers aren't apt to be a lot of help either.

I just wish Val would get Ricky busy in his room or something and then sit down with his parents and try to explain the realities of bullying in school. Reminding them that even though the school she attends knew about bullying, she wound up in the hospital from it (and not for the first time!) might help.

But even if Val was capable of trying to do that sort of explanation, I fear that the Parkers aren't likely to accept it without a lot of help.

Hmm. Maybe Mr. Dobson knows some resources on school bullying that Val could refer the Parkers too. Give the situation at MacAllen, odds are good that he's been looking into it really hard.


Re: Tuck 138 [message #5858] Sat, 21 June 2008 08:18 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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stanman wrote on Fri, 20 June 2008 20:06

I am wondering if Mike sees Tuck more as Val or Tuck now.

Why would you wonder? Everything he did was consistent with the way he and Tuck have been interacting since (presumably) long before the story started. Some of it -- the reaching for the car keys in the fannypack when our protagonist was too drugged to drive -- even appeared inappropriate because Mike was thinking in terms of Tuck and not Val.

At no point since Mike started that weird "chick check" a few weeks ago has he included Tuck among the "chicks", even though Tuck's been in Val mode all three times -- this episode included.

When they were conversing in private about being tense, Mike addressed him as Tuck, and realized that a lot of the problem related to the assault on Tuck at school. He still hasn't gotten used to addressing Tuck as Val in public; after ten months or so it's still "Tu-Val".

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Re: Tuck 138 [message #5859] Sat, 21 June 2008 18:52 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Tuck's been denying the assault's psychological effects all along (to himself and to everyone else) but I wonder if Tuck's going to mention the assault flashbacks to Sheila. Rereading FM 90-44/6-22.5 I noticed this:
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A Critical Event Debrief (CED) is a structured group process designed to mitigate the impact of a critical event and to accelerate normal recovery of those personnel involved. The CED is normally conducted by a team composed of trained members, (medical officers, chaplains, mental health professionals, trained unit members). A CED's main value is to quickly restore unit cohesion and readiness to return to action, through clarifying what actually happened and clearing up harmful misperceptions and misunderstandings. It may also reduce the possibility of long term distress through sharing and acceptance of thoughts, feelings, and reactions related to the critical event.

It's been a while since the 'Critical Event' but I think that some kind of debrief is probably warranted. Tuck's nightmares and some other signs (signs are things that others can see, symptoms are things the patient reports) are straight out of the manual.

Re: Tuck 138 [message #5860] Sat, 21 June 2008 20:02 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Different point, brought about by the "What's with you and salads" comment during the dinner scene...

Tuck has a preference for some kinds of foods that many people would consider "low-caloric," that is, consistent with someone who was dieting... like, for instance, many teenage girls worrying about getting fat. This has the effect of making Tu/Val seeming more girly in a sense, particularly when contrasted with the always-hungry stereotype of the teenage boy (such as Mike).

However, I realized something... a large part of what defines the female shape is fat (breasts, buttocks...). Tuck is underweight; everybody keeps telling him he needs to eat more. I wonder what would happen if he DID start eating more and gaining weight. It's a fair bet that it would all "go straight to the hips" (and breasts) -- meaning that Val would "blossom" and it would become impossible to maintain the dual-identity charade.


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Re: Tuck 138 [message #5861] Sat, 21 June 2008 20:58 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Sir Lee wrote on Sat, 21 June 2008 17:02

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However, I realized something... a large part of what defines the female shape is fat (breasts, buttocks...). Tuck is underweight; everybody keeps telling him he needs to eat more. I wonder what would happen if he DID start eating more and gaining weight. It's a fair bet that it would all "go straight to the hips" (and breasts) -- meaning that Val would "blossom" and it would become impossible to maintain the dual-identity charade.

And Tu-Val's breast have been growing enough to require smaller padding to avoid getting stared at.
Re: Tuck 138 [message #5862] Sat, 21 June 2008 21:03 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Found error.

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As Pam sniggered, Anne-Marie asked, "Um, are those real?"
"Ar- OW!" She'd poked me in a tit, hard. By the time my vision cleared, I was a couple of feet back and had my arms wrapped around myself. "Damnit that HURT!" Even through the enhancers.
"That is so RUDE!" Pam exclaimed, and poked Amanda with two stiff fingers, right where she'd poked me.
"Ow!" Anne-Marie recoiled and put her arms up to protect herself, too late. I realized we looked almost the same.
"That's right, she doesn't like it either," Pam glared.
There was something missing, and as Anne-Marie opened her mouth to say something, my mouth won initiative and commented, "So do I poke you now? To make it symmetrical?"
Pam burst out laughing.

Amanda was not with them at the time.
Re: Tuck 138 [message #5863] Sat, 21 June 2008 21:43 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Josea: I think the stare-attracting factor is the ratio of Val's breast size to the rest of her body (well, and the tendency of guys to stare at any breasts.) Remember that she's a lot thinner now, and her breast forms didn't get smaller as she lost weight. Wasn't there a quote about how she feels as if she looks like a porn model?

And the Amanda/Anne-Marie bit is just an editing boo-boo.

Sir Lee: Not immediately impossible, just increasingly difficult. And add to the pressure for Tuck to Make A Decision about what to do. I really hope that if something like Val "blossoming" happens then it doesn't happen before Tuck has to go to court to testify.

{very hesitant and subservient tone}
Ellen, might you find a spark of pity and let a crumb of information escape about the court cases, and maybe something about the fifth person? It would be greatly appreciated by us, your humble and devoted readers. Before you expunge such a bit of weakness?
Re: Tuck 138 [message #5864] Sat, 21 June 2008 23:12 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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I wonder if Debbie and/or Mrs. T (if she read the report), and depending on their agenda, might mention the recent high school events relating to bullying to Rickie's mother, and or teacher, and/or school staff, and/or school board, and/or press? Might be interesting to see how outsiders would react to finding these things happening even in the lower grades.

P.S. I'm a long-time reader, but newbie poster. Embarassed


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Re: Tuck 138 [message #5865] Sun, 22 June 2008 03:43 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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I wonder if Tuck will have an attack soon? will his seeing Ricky being bullied cause a nightmare or night terror? He does need to release those anxieties soon. And if Tuck goes to trial, will Valerie be exposed?

[Updated on: Sun, 22 June 2008 03:47]

Finding Out... [message #5867] Sun, 22 June 2008 04:18 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Sharon Lynn wrote on Sat, 21 June 2008 20:12

I wonder if Debbie and/or Mrs. T (if she read the report), and depending on their agenda, might mention the recent high school events relating to bullying to Rickie's mother, and or teacher, and/or school staff, and/or school board, and/or press? Might be interesting to see how outsiders would react to finding these things happening even in the lower grades.

P.S. I'm a long-time reader, but newbie poster.

Welcome!

All the Tuckers still seem to be in high-security mode on the details and extent of Tuck's injuries. (I'm guessing that it's still partly in order to keep the allies of the attackers in the dark, but mostly just the Tuckers' standard take-the-fifth-on-any-inquiry strategy.) So I can't see Sarah Tucker bringing up Tuck's attack (or even the McAllen strike, given Sarah's involvement there) in the context of Ricky's problems.

As for Beth Parker, it seems unlikely to me that she considers the situations comparable. What she got from Debbie, according to Tuck's narrative, was that our physically gender-confused protagonist was attacked for "being different." It sounds as though it never came up as to whether Tuck was attending school this year as Tuck or Val, and Tuck tells us that Debbie omitted the details, among other things, as to where on the school grounds the attacks took place.

In contrast, there doesn't seem to be any suggestion so far that Ricky's problems in school stem from not fitting in; apparently Tuck (and Beth and David, after the note and discussion) all think Ricky's just encountering girls who are bigger and meaner than he is and who attack in groups.

So there's not a whole lot of reason to think that Beth Parker considers the high school attack relevant to Ricky's situation, and Val literally took pains to avoid bringing it into the discussion in this episode.

There's also the point that everyone including Val wants to keep Ricky in the dark as to most of the revelations that happened while he was gone the afternoon that Beth Parker confronted Val, Mike and Debbie. (Judging from Ricky's conversations with Val since then and especially in this chapter, I think we can now eliminate the possibility that he was learning any of those things from the Upshaws while he was over there that afternoon.) I doubt that the Parkers would want information about the high school attack spread around administrators and teachers at Ricky's school where he could, however inadvertently, find out about them.

Eric
Re: Tuck 138 [message #5868] Sun, 22 June 2008 12:28 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Ann Marie has been let in on the secret of Tucker's double life! Nobody thought to warn Ann MArie in advance. Everybody is treating Val like a normal person. I really hope that somebody tells Ann Marie that this is a "SECRET!", or else Ann Marie might accidently think that this is just another oddity of her new friends and let something slip at school.

How many people can keep a secret?

Are we about to find out the answer to that question the dramatic way?

the other Erik with the "k".






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Re: Tuck 138 [message #5869] Mon, 23 June 2008 21:43 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Erik wrote on Sun, 22 June 2008 09:28

Ann Marie has been let in on the secret of Tucker's double life! Nobody thought to warn Ann Marie in advance. Everybody is treating Val like a normal person. I really hope that somebody tells Ann Marie that this is a "SECRET!", or else Ann Marie might accidentally think that this is just another oddity of her new friends and let something slip at school.

How many people can keep a secret?

Are we about to find out the answer to that question the dramatic way?

Probably not.
from 20:38 21 Nov:

Julia tugged on my arm and offered, "We'll explain things to her."

Then again, there's been plenty of other opportunity for exposure lately -- or even in the next few minutes, though I don't believe they've ever encountered anyone they know at the Gay Cafe. (On the gripping hand, there may be more of a chance of that now that the GLEE club has let McAllen gays come out and meet each other in relative safety.)

Eric
Re: Tuck 138 [message #5870] Mon, 23 June 2008 22:54 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Me, I don't want to see Tuck get attacked again like he was. Next time, there may be fatalities when he fights back.
Re: Tuck 138 [message #5874] Fri, 27 June 2008 16:02 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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stanman wrote on Mon, 23 June 2008 19:54

Me, I don't want to see Tuck get attacked again like he was. Next time, there may be fatalities when he fights back.


Neither would I.

But I daresay that all of Da Boyz have been trained in the legalities of self-defense. And won't react in ways that the law considers "escalation" except at extreme need (eg, no going for a knife if the attacker is unarmed unless you are outnumbered or injured).

On the other hand, given the previous attack, I bet the law will ignore quite a bit of escalation on Tuck's part as long as the attackers can't argue that Tuck started it.
Re: Tuck 138 [message #5880] Fri, 04 July 2008 03:14 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Have there been any security cams installed since the last attack?
Re: Tuck 138 [message #5882] Sat, 05 July 2008 12:46 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Probably not, have you ever known a school district with enough money to do something like this on short notice?

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Re: Tuck 138 [message #5883] Sun, 06 July 2008 06:39 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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stanman wrote on Fri, 04 July 2008 00:14

Have there been any security cams installed since the last attack?


It's 1997, they were (relatively speaking) more expensive back then. Also, since the attack occurred in a locker room, security cameras aren't really a viable option.

Security cameras in a dressing area are not going to go over well. Especially since they'd have to be going to tape (can't afford a person to watch them).

Tapes could easily be ruled kiddie porn. Seriously. The minimum age for video/photos is *18*.

Halls aren't much better. Most of the stuff happens when they are too crowded to see what's going on.

Security camera footage is pretty worthless at much more than 20 feet. That's a *lot* of cameras.
Re: Tuck 138 [message #5887] Mon, 07 July 2008 00:56 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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mkemp wrote on Sun, 22 June 2008 02:43

And the Amanda/Anne-Marie bit is just an editing boo-boo.


I @#&^*!&# HATE editing boo-boos.


mkemp wrote on Sun, 22 June 2008 02:43

{very hesitant and subservient tone}
Ellen, might you find a spark of pity and let a crumb of information escape about the court cases, and maybe something about the fifth person? It would be greatly appreciated by us, your humble and devoted readers. Before you expunge such a bit of weakness?


Whot, here in the forum? Are you mad?

It'll come up in the story when it comes up. Part of the US punishment that goes along with being arrested for a major crime, is the months and months and months of bullshit; apparently mostly designed to either convince you to "do something" to get yourself killed, or to really convince you never ever to deal with the legal system ever again.

Just a tad bitter, yez, we iz.

Anyway, the time from crime/arrest - which was fairly fast, though not unreasonably so - to things like trial, is loooooong.


Ellen
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Re: Tuck 138 [message #5893] Mon, 07 July 2008 12:42 Go to previous message
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(tugs forelock)
Ellen: Sorry, mistress. I was just thinking that a bare mention of the status of the court case might be in the offing.
(tugs forelock and backs up)
Sorry, mistress. You're in charge of the story and we, your most 'umble readers, shouldn't get impatient.
(tugs forelock and backs up)
Sorry, mistress. I shan't make such an outrageous request again.
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