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Eleven [message #6448] Sat, 28 August 2010 10:22 Go to next message
mkemp  is currently offline mkemp
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Chapter eleven is up!
Re: Eleven [message #6449] Sun, 29 August 2010 07:03 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Just read it and love where the story is going.

[Updated on: Sun, 29 August 2010 08:01]

Re: Eleven [message #6450] Sun, 29 August 2010 17:38 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Well, now Tuck has a couple reasons to re-evaluate his assumptions regarding Jane & Co. He is still distrustful... but perhaps now he will be willing to talk and listen.


Don't call me Shirley. You will surely make me surly.
Re: Eleven [message #6451] Mon, 30 August 2010 06:56 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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When Tuck and Charlene were talking I had a vision of a way the story could go (it didn't, but it would have been funny).

Picture this:

Charlie convinces Tuck it's ok. So Tuck hides all his gear and then in the morning Valerie comes down to breakfast like nothing is wrong.

Yeah, I can think of all *sorts* of reasons why it'd be a bad idea, and Tuck would think of a lot of them on his own.

On the other hand, if the situation was even a *hair* less serious, I could see the prankster in him doing it for the mindfuck value. Smile

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Re: Eleven [message #6452] Mon, 30 August 2010 12:48 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Whoa! and again I say whoa!

We're starting to see some major payoffs now in character development compared to the earlier version of the story. The rewrite was showing its promise several chapters back but it is in this chapter we really start to see the richness of the back story show itself. The scene with Charlene worked on so many levels it's ridiculous. If Debbie isn't careful she's going to have some real competition on her hands here as the revised relationship plays itself out.

The rewrite has definitely brought out the gothic horror of the original setting before the flanderization of the series by Tigger to provide an "acceptable" rationale to the forced feminization in the Seasons of Change story. The uncertainty of suddenly being thrust into a situation where your very identity is under attack seemingly with the collusion of all the adults. The terror of being found out, the sudden fantasies of a massive female lead conspiracy leading to an apprehension of all things female... The new Tucky Seasons really brings all that out thanks to the mind of one Eugene Tucker and worst possible scenario methodology.

Now in this chapter with Charlene's sudden appreciation for the risks Tucker is taking on his behalf, we see the uncomfortable truths and confused sexual hormones at a heightened simulation come to the fore. The tension is going to be delicious in upcoming scenes of mutual comfort and "sleepovers" if Ellen remains true to the "rough draft" of the original write. Considering how much richness has been introduced in the last few chapters I'm really looking forward to it all!

--iWindoze
Re: Eleven [message #6454] Sun, 05 September 2010 09:50 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Brooke wrote on Mon, 30 August 2010 11:56

So Tuck hides all his gear and then in the morning Valerie comes down to breakfast like nothing is wrong.


BWAAAHahahahaha!!!

Though, unfortunately, Tuck doesn't have a video camera; and there's NO WAY he could keep a straight face for more than ten seconds. Maybe eight.

I think I'll steal this for later: "You know what would've REALLY driven Jane crazy?"


Ellen
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Re: Eleven [message #6455] Sun, 05 September 2010 09:59 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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[quote title=iWindoze wrote on Mon, 30 August 2010 17:48]The rewrite has definitely brought out the gothic horror of the original setting before the flanderization of the series by Tigger to provide an "acceptable" rationale to the forced feminization in the Seasons of Change story.[quote]

Some of that flanderization (heh; http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/Flanderization ) is, I think, due to me; the parts written before I started putting out pieces of the first draft were IMO worse.


iWindoze wrote on Mon, 30 August 2010 17:48

The uncertainty of suddenly being thrust into a situation where your very identity is under attack seemingly with the collusion of all the adults.


That would be 'grade school', yes.


iWindoze wrote on Mon, 30 August 2010 17:48

Now in this chapter with Charlene's sudden appreciation for the risks Tucker is taking on his behalf, we see the uncomfortable truths and confused sexual hormones at a heightened simulation come to the fore.


Oh, it hasn't 'come to the fore' yet.


iWindoze wrote on Mon, 30 August 2010 17:48

The tension is going to be delicious in upcoming scenes of mutual comfort and "sleepovers" if Ellen remains true to the "rough draft" of the original write.


I have much more to work with now, than I did the first draft...


Ellen
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Re: Eleven [message #6460] Mon, 06 September 2010 00:58 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Ellen Hayes wrote on Sun, 05 September 2010 08:59

Some of that flanderization (heh; http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/Flanderization ) is, I think, due to me; the parts written before I started putting out pieces of the first draft were IMO worse.


Maybe, but comparing the original Joel Lawrence story with Tigger's work shows that much of the elements of horror inherent in the situations described are lost due to the understanding that the treatment works in that universe and is helpful with a track record of it being helpful. There is much more a sense of 'WTF!?' involved and a sense of steadily having one's inner person bent step by step until completely broken that is missing in Tigger's works.


Ellen Hayes wrote on Sun, 05 September 2010 08:59

iWindoze wrote on Mon, 30 August 2010 17:48

Now in this chapter with Charlene's sudden appreciation for the risks Tucker is taking on his behalf, we see the uncomfortable truths and confused sexual hormones at a heightened simulation come to the fore.


Oh, it hasn't 'come to the fore' yet.


No but I can see the seeds of it sprouting in this chapter and suddenly Charlie becomes a sympathetic character with the reader rooting for him\her to have a chance. This is a heady brew of emotions here, made all the more delicious by the confusions and misunderstandings that arise from mistaken gender roles. I wish I could explain what I mean better but it's late and I'm in desperate need of sleep.

Ellen Hayes wrote on Sun, 05 September 2010 08:59

iWindoze wrote on Mon, 30 August 2010 17:48

The tension is going to be delicious in upcoming scenes of mutual comfort and "sleepovers" if Ellen remains true to the "rough draft" of the original write.


I have much more to work with now, than I did the first draft...



Indeed, the additional background is providing for a much richer texture and more vibrant tapestry. Ins short everything that I liked in the first draft, plus more of the same.

--iWindoze
Re: Eleven [message #6462] Mon, 06 September 2010 18:59 Go to previous message
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Ellen Hayes wrote on Sun, 05 September 2010 06:50

Brooke wrote on Mon, 30 August 2010 11:56

So Tuck hides all his gear and then in the morning Valerie comes down to breakfast like nothing is wrong.


BWAAAHahahahaha!!!

Though, unfortunately, Tuck doesn't have a video camera; and there's NO WAY he could keep a straight face for more than ten seconds. Maybe eight.


And it's unlikely that Jane has cameras covering the relevant areas. Not to mention that she'd make destroying the tape a priority once she recovered.

Quote:

I think I'll steal this for later: "You know what would've REALLY driven Jane crazy?"


Just having Valerie there is enough for that.

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