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Facebook? [message #6453] Thu, 02 September 2010 09:11 Go to next message
iWindoze  is currently offline iWindoze
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I just made a facebook account for TG type issues and communication, here:

http://www.facebook.com/people/Joe-Fapp/100001472717359

If anyone wants to send me a request to be friends and include a mention of tuck I'll add them. This is a throwaway account (hence the name) but I'm very much looking to be able to hang out and chat with people about stuff.

--iWindoze
Re: Facebook? [message #6457] Sun, 05 September 2010 10:09 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Seriously, Facebook is something Tucker would tell you is worse than Microsoft.

Whatever happened to the IRC channel/server that Rachel was running?


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Re: Facebook? [message #6458] Sun, 05 September 2010 17:30 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Yeah, Mark Zuckerberg has already displaced Bill Gates and possibly Steve Ballmer in the "most evil" ranks. Other newcomers to the ranking are Randall Stephenson (AT&T), Steve Jobs (Apple) and Eric Schmidt (Google). Steve Case (AOL) and Darl McBride (SCO Group) are has-beens, neither has done anything unspeakably evil in the last couple years and their companies lost their former importance.


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Re: Facebook? [message #6459] Mon, 06 September 2010 00:46 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Ellen Hayes wrote on Sun, 05 September 2010 09:09

Seriously, Facebook is something Tucker would tell you is worse than Microsoft.


I'm sure he would, but not having an account doesn't protect you from having "friends" who post pictures and fill in information about you. The genie is out of the bottle and like it or not facebook is the new webmail.

Ellen Hayes wrote on Sun, 05 September 2010 09:09

Whatever happened to the IRC channel/server that Rachel was running?


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What IRC channel? Of course that might be the exact issue right there...

--iWindoze
Re: Facebook? [message #6461] Mon, 06 September 2010 18:26 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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iWindoze wrote on Mon, 06 September 2010 01:46


I'm sure he would, but not having an account doesn't protect you from having "friends" who post pictures and fill in information about you. The genie is out of the bottle and like it or not facebook is the new webmail.


Not quite. If you don't have an account it's not so easy to "tag" your embarrassing photos. And despite all the hype, I still know far more people who *aren't* on Facebook (or any social network for that matter) than people who *are.* And only a fraction of the ones who are actually *use* the thing in a significant way.

Facebook is the new fad, sure. But so was Myspace a couple years ago, Orkut here in Brazil (actually, Orkut is still far bigger than Facebook here), you name it. At the end of the day, FB is entertainment, and therefore can be put aside as soon as something "hotter" appears. People are fickle, they change e-mail addresses and phone numbers all the time, despite that causing far more meaningful disturbance in their lives than switching social network -- or quitting the silly game entirely.

Facebook has enough shortcomings that it's ripe for a mass migration. The only thing holding people there is the network effect itself (not that it's an absolute; it didn't hold people to their predecessors, only slowed the process). However, both Microsoft and Google are ready to leverage their existing services to create competing services, by converting their webmail accounts into social network accounts. If they offer a compelling enough experience, Facebook could bleed users by the millions.


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Re: Facebook? [message #6574] Fri, 04 March 2011 03:58 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Ellen Hayes wrote on Sun, 05 September 2010 15:09

Seriously, Facebook is something Tucker would tell you is worse than Microsoft.

Whatever happened to the IRC channel/server that Rachel was running?


Ellen
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Had a facebook account for a while, bullied onto it by my sister; but gave it up again and did the magic invocations to actually get it deleted. It's a poor substitute for a vibrant online community, but most of the people on it are too newbie to know it.


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Re: Facebook? [message #6576] Fri, 04 March 2011 10:25 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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and tried to add earlier but site crashed...

besides, the irc server is still up, but that channel died of no-one coming into it, or if they did only briefly separated by months. Smile Could easily still host that channel if people wanted it.


Rachel
Re: Facebook? [message #6578] Fri, 04 March 2011 13:26 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Facebook may be a horrid substitute (really it is!) but you have to go where your audience is. Most of the people who would find Tuck on their own aren't necessarily geeks and it is no longer 1997. The average person would be asking "What's an IRC? Is it delicious?" if you mentioned it to them.

There's also the account creation issue. The last thing most people want is yet another login to remember. This is part of why this place suffers from a lack of comments IMHO. Because it is necessary to create an account here and even in some cases for the extraordinarily paranoid a special email address to create that account people forget whatever it was they wanted to post about by the time they hop through the hoops to get there.

The power of social networking is in its ability to connect like things to each other. You join the site for one thing and before you know it you've added xyz to that one thing and kept on going. And you don't need to login to various different things because these nice men in the robber baron outfits and cigars are willing to collect all that information and hold it for you...

Newbies buy into that all the time because for a short while it works.

If you want to get the IRC chatroom working you'll have to get a link to it in a web-based form submitted to Ellen's site and have people (or bots) available to talk to them when they come in. Once they start using it then you can nudge them towards the types of clients that Tuck would prefer they use. Gotta get them in the door first.

--iWindoze

PS: Tuck might not be all that excited about facebook, but I imagine he'd be quite enthused by diasporia. That is assuming it ever gets off the ground fully..
Re: Facebook? [message #6579] Sat, 05 March 2011 10:29 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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iWindoze wrote on Fri, 04 March 2011 18:26

Facebook may be a horrid substitute (really it is!) but you have to go where your audience is. Most of the people who would find Tuck on their own aren't necessarily geeks and it is no longer 1997. The average person would be asking "What's an IRC? Is it delicious?" if you mentioned it to them.

There's also the account creation issue. The last thing most people want is yet another login to remember. This is part of why this place suffers from a lack of comments IMHO. Because it is necessary to create an account here and even in some cases for the extraordinarily paranoid a special email address to create that account people forget whatever it was they wanted to post about by the time they hop through the hoops to get there.

The power of social networking is in its ability to connect like things to each other. You join the site for one thing and before you know it you've added xyz to that one thing and kept on going. And you don't need to login to various different things because these nice men in the robber baron outfits and cigars are willing to collect all that information and hold it for you...

Newbies buy into that all the time because for a short while it works.

If you want to get the IRC chatroom working you'll have to get a link to it in a web-based form submitted to Ellen's site and have people (or bots) available to talk to them when they come in. Once they start using it then you can nudge them towards the types of clients that Tuck would prefer they use. Gotta get them in the door first.

--iWindoze

PS: Tuck might not be all that excited about facebook, but I imagine he'd be quite enthused by diasporia. That is assuming it ever gets off the ground fully..


Last time I looked you couldn't post anything that long on facebook. Keeps things superficial, at all costs.

[Updated on: Sat, 05 March 2011 10:30]


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Re: Facebook? [message #6580] Sat, 05 March 2011 10:33 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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That said, everything you said is also true.

So it's rubbish. And it's sucking the internet dry as well.


Rachel
Re: Facebook? [message #6584] Sun, 06 March 2011 11:09 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Facebook is insane.
It is AOL of the mid 90's.
It is most likely worse and now they are going to share user information with other companies... Can you say spam factory?

And I don't really need or want to know what the world ate for breakfast.

Just my opinion.

[Updated on: Sun, 06 March 2011 11:12]

Re: Facebook? [message #6637] Thu, 31 March 2011 23:28 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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You can't answer the question of if Tuck would be on FB without asking if the pack would be. And the way they over used conference calls, they are totally going to be all over FB. I know my friends from high-school (who are all the same age though a little geekier) are still keeping in touch through it.

Is there any easier way to stay in touch with non-geek friends?
Re: Facebook? [message #6650] Sun, 03 April 2011 23:21 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Doragoon wrote on Fri, 01 April 2011 04:28

Is there any easier way to stay in touch with non-geek friends?

Yeah; challenge the geek to write a similar application that doesn't suck like a black hole.
(easier for the non-geeks to do, anyway...)
Then use it, and be snobbish to your idiot friends who still use Facebook - or tell them exactly what Facebook is doing with their information. Which the geek might be able to tell you if he's got a Facebook SDK.
Might also be possible to have a limited Facebook account that points elsewhere, to someplace that doesn't have as a corporate model "Bend our customers over the furniture and hold them down for the benefit of third parties". Like, say, something on the web servers at the ISP the geek/geek's family owns.

Just for a hypothetical case, you understand.

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Re: Facebook? [message #6659] Wed, 06 April 2011 15:35 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Doragoon wrote on Thu, 31 March 2011 22:28

And the way they over used conference calls, they are totally going to be all over FB.


Eh, maybe not so much Facebook as much as Skype or some of the live video sites maybe. hmm...

Of course one thing that desperately needs to be remembered is that everyone of the Pack and the Rat Boyz should be either entering or nearing their thirties about now, since the story itself is set firmly in 1997-1998 time period.

So probably they might use Skype, but not so sure about the video streaming sites like Stickam, Blog.tv or Justin.tv... Especially likely they used Skype down the road for VOIP and then possibly video chat since it works on Linux. I should know, I had a Skype phone which I used on Linux around 2006 on one of the VOIPVoice Cyber K USB phones. It didn't work very well in Linux at the time and there were other issues (factory caught on fire, etc) but in Windows it worked just fine and I imagine most of the Pack would be using Windows at this point.

Also, considering that Mac OS X was *BSD based it is possible that the Tuckers would eventually switch to Apple hardware considering how many Linux developers did about the same time Apple released Tiger and began using X86 hardware. I could also see this as working through the whole pack and most of them running Apple stuff due to the usability factor and thanks to Tuck recommending it as easy to use\maintain for them.

It's fun to try and imagine what the characters in Tuck would have gotten involved in as time went on, but no one knows for sure really. I mean did anyone get into podcasting? Do an internet TV show? Make a movie (think Star Wreck, Star Trek Phase II or EpicFu)? Did the band go anywhere?

What kinds of tech related jobs did the Rat Boyz get into? Did they go into the military? Create some innovative video games?

Since the story's time has yet to catch up with our time I tend to imagine the characters weaving in and out of the last decade and a half Forrest Gump style, getting involved in everything! Wink

--iWindoze
Re: Facebook? [message #6665] Wed, 06 April 2011 22:56 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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iWindoze wrote on Wed, 06 April 2011 16:35

It's fun to try and imagine what the characters in Tuck would have gotten involved in as time went on, but no one knows for sure really. I mean did anyone get into podcasting? Do an internet TV show? Make a movie (think Star Wreck, Star Trek Phase II or EpicFu)? Did the band go anywhere?

What kinds of tech related jobs did the Rat Boyz get into? Did they go into the military? Create some innovative video games?

Since the story's time has yet to catch up with our time I tend to imagine the characters weaving in and out of the last decade and a half Forrest Gump style, getting involved in everything! Wink

--iWindoze


I have this idea for a magazine article-style fanfic about a company called RatPack Total Security Solutions, Inc... one of these decades I'm going to put it to electrons.


Don't call me Shirley. You will surely make me surly.
Re: Facebook? [message #6666] Thu, 07 April 2011 00:16 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Sir Lee wrote on Wed, 06 April 2011 21:56


I have this idea for a magazine article-style fanfic about a company called RatPack Total Security Solutions, Inc... one of these decades I'm going to put it to electrons.


Well I can sincerely say that I for one would look forward to reading that!

--iWindoze
Re: Facebook? [message #6723] Sat, 09 April 2011 13:46 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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iWindoze wrote on Wed, 06 April 2011 20:35

It's fun to try and imagine what the characters in Tuck would have gotten involved in as time went on, but no one knows for sure really.

Ooooh, I do I do I do!!! *raises hand and waves wildly*

Ellen
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[Updated on: Sat, 09 April 2011 13:46]

Re: Facebook? [message #6730] Sat, 09 April 2011 21:12 Go to previous message
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Ellen Hayes wrote on Sat, 09 April 2011 12:46

iWindoze wrote on Wed, 06 April 2011 20:35

It's fun to try and imagine what the characters in Tuck would have gotten involved in as time went on, but no one knows for sure really.

Ooooh, I do I do I do!!! *raises hand and waves wildly*



Hush you! You don't count because you're their creator. And no fair pulling a JKR like this, we don't want to hear you talk* about the characters we want to read what the characters are living!

--iWindoze


*While hard of hearing and probably not the best market for such a thing an audio book (pardon the pun) sounds like it could be interesting...
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