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Twelve! [message #6464] Tue, 07 September 2010 15:02 Go to next message
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Twelve is up!
Re: Twelve! [message #6465] Wed, 08 September 2010 05:44 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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I just kept waiting to see if Pauline or Trish, being unfamiliar to social work, would blow Tuck's plans and Tuck would have to recover the misfire.

Tuck could fax the contract from his laptop to Jane for her to sign. Tuck seemed a bit stressed looking for a printer. Fax modems have been around at least 8 yrs by the time this story takes place, and it would have been an impotent laptop without one. Certainly a person of Tuck's skills could have modified his acoustical modem to emulate a fax transmitter as well.

Unless Jane gave Darla a Power of Attorney, not sure if Tuck really has a binding agreement with Jane. However, threat of exposure might be enough to consider legal issues rather moot.

Story is hitting it's stride with this new flavor. I'm sensing Tuck is going to become overconfident with his blackmail scheme - Jane will figure a way to carefully reassert her authority.
Re: Twelve! [message #6466] Wed, 08 September 2010 09:39 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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If the mall has a computer store Tuck could talk the resident geeks into letting him use a printer; if not, a stop at the Kinko's might be in order. Probably with Valerie driving.
Or Tuck could just send the contract to Jane as a text file and have her print it out.

Jane and Tuck are still working on differing assumptions, though: Tuck thinking that his family, not knowing how much Valerie had been around The Pack, wanted to equip him with the skills necessary for Transitioning, and Jane thinking that she's dealing with a member of the Future Felons of America.

I wonder if Tu-Val is going to get involved in increasing the security.

Re: Twelve! [message #6467] Mon, 13 September 2010 00:22 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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I am really enjoying this rewrite. I think it is a better story than the original.

Are Jane and company going to find out that she picked up the wrong boy when he signs the contract as Eugene Tucker?

I think the identity confusion will need to be cleared up before a contract can accepted. I don't see Jane, or Darla in her name, really agreeing to terms with someone they think ran away after he was sentenced to go through her program in lieu of an actual reform school. I think they would bring him before the judge as soon as he was back in custody.


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Re: Twelve! [message #6468] Mon, 13 September 2010 03:57 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Brandonyoung wrote on Sun, 12 September 2010 21:22

I am really enjoying this rewrite. I think it is a better story than the original.

Are Jane and company going to find out that she picked up the wrong boy when he signs the contract as Eugene Tucker?

I think the identity confusion will need to be cleared up before a contract can accepted. I don't see Jane, or Darla in her name, really agreeing to terms with someone they think ran away after he was sentenced to go through her program in lieu of an actual reform school. I think they would bring him before the judge as soon as he was back in custody.


Well, the problem is that if *Jane* finds out, so does Tuck. At which point everything falls apart.

and in any case, Jane and Darla are over a bit of a barrel too. And I don't think Eugene was sentenced to Jane's care. Just sent there as a last resort short of that.
Re: Twelve! [message #6469] Mon, 13 September 2010 16:01 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Brooke wrote on Mon, 13 September 2010 00:57


...and in any case, Jane and Darla are over a bit of a barrel too. And I don't think Eugene's was sentenced to Jane's care. Just sent there as a last resort short of that.



That's the one flaw in Tuck's blackmail scheme, if he thinks Jane is going to roll over. If Tuck believes his parents sent him there and Jane certainly have papers from the other Eugene's parent indicating as such, she could counter the blackmail by saying his family would be ruined as well. This aspect of story arc can only be played out as long as both Jane and Tuck still don't realize it's the wrong Eugene. I figure Jane (and possibly Art) has the intellectual wherewithal to counter his threat with this logic. In which a stalemate of MAD comes into play with agreed boundaries of behaviour on both sides. Tuck still wants his laptop and considering what he agreed to do for Debbie for her favours, this is a piece of cake Very Happy .
Re: Twelve! [message #6470] Mon, 13 September 2010 23:10 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Actually, given the way that Jane runs her school she'd likely want and accept Tuck signing the contract as Valerie only, since the whole point of the contract is to avoid MAD being set off, and like wise Jane would likely sign the contract first name only as well. You have to remember that this contract is not intended so much for legal purposes as it is for purposes of proving intent and honor.

Also, the threat of bringing down the entirety of Jane's school and all her students with the scandel that Tuck is suggesting would be far worse than anything that could be visited upon Tucker, since he would be a "victim" of Jane's in the public eye. He and his parents would get sympathy for being unwitting dupes in the entire thing. Jane knows it, and Tuck knows it. The only thing they don't know is that there would likely be a kidnapping charge added since Tucker was never supposed to be there in the first place.

Also, knowing Tucker and how he is about contracts and the like, he might make her simply sign it in blood. Type in the names, print it out, a few quick slits on the thumbs of both parties and bammo, instant signiture far beyond anything hand writing could produce.

Either way it goes, the entire concept of the story falls to an end when Jane realizes she has the wrong kid or Tucker realizes she has the wrong kid. I think that has to be held for the end game like the original. Something that comes out at the tail end when it's so far into it it doesn't matter anymore.


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Re: Twelve! [message #6471] Tue, 14 September 2010 20:24 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Trisha Clements wrote on Tue, 14 September 2010 00:10

Also, knowing Tucker and how he is about contracts and the like, he might make her simply sign it in blood. Type in the names, print it out, a few quick slits on the thumbs of both parties and bammo, instant signiture far beyond anything hand writing could produce.


...and, knowing Jane, she would never go for anything as uncouth as pressing her bloody thumb on the paper. She would insist on using a proper old-style dip pen. Of course, this has the shortcoming of needing more blood. And yes, this means Tuck would have to spend a couple hours learning how to use a dip pen...


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Re: Twelve! [message #6472] Thu, 16 September 2010 21:02 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Ellen was clever enough not to list the complete inventory that Tuck received from Mike at the West Kingston PO in chapter 10. One subject that has puzzled me is that in the canon story, after Tuck was attacked in chapter 104, Mike pulled miscellaneous first aid paraphernalia from Tuck's back pack and a couple of epinephrine injection devices.
One would guess that Tuck, being aware of his medical vulnerabilities, should have carried some supplies with him when he arrived at the Season's house, as well as Mike later resupplying Tuck on his unscheduled excursion from Jane's. In the first case, Jane and Marie should have taken inventory of such supplies, unless Tuck hid them along with his laptop in the bedroom. But why would Tuck have reason to hide his medical supplies as he would have assumed that a camp nurse would need to be aware of his needs should Tuck become incapacitated? In the second case, if Tuck returns to the Season's house, as his laptop is now revealed to be in his possession, so other items will be revealed as well, including medical supplies. From Jane's perspective, she would need to verify that Tuck isn't into recreational drugs and she would need an explanation for something that may not be in his files...leading to a different Eugene Wallace.

Of course, Ellen may just be avoiding Chekov's gun. As long as Ellen doesn't bring his medical problem's up, his supplies will never be needed. Very Happy


Re: Twelve! [message #6473] Fri, 17 September 2010 16:16 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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what if tucker believed that his parents had told jane about hs medical needs?
Re: Twelve! [message #6475] Fri, 17 September 2010 21:18 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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stanman wrote on Fri, 17 September 2010 13:16

what if tucker believed that his parents had told jane about hs medical needs?


That's the problem! Tuck should not be afraid to show Jane his epinephrine injections if Tuck suspects she knows of his medical history. However, Jane does not know of Tuck problems, and unless the other Eugene Wallace has the identical medical conditions (or rather a need to have the epi's in his possession) - which should be statistically improbable but not impossible, Jane should be concerned of Tuck carrying prescription only drugs around that her files don't corroborate!

So I challenge Ellen to put Chekov's gun in the story and make it work! Very Happy !

[Updated on: Fri, 17 September 2010 21:21]

Re: Twelve! [message #6476] Sat, 18 September 2010 03:52 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Here's the thing: Tuck does not trust Jane. In fact, he does not trust most people to take what he considers to be adequate precautions.

So, he does not reveal his meds to Jane and Marie at first, because he expects them to do something stupid like locking them in the medicine cabinet in the old bathroom at the other end of the attic behind four old wardrobes weighing half a ton each, instead of keeping them close at hand where they can be quickly put in use if needed. When Jane pulls the drug thing with him, his paranoia jumps through the roof, and now he won't trust them with anything at all, much less with stuff that may be needed to save his life.


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Re: Twelve! [message #6477] Sat, 18 September 2010 09:44 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Sir Lee wrote on Sat, 18 September 2010 03:52

When Jane pulls the drug thing with him, his paranoia jumps through the roof, and now he won't trust them with anything at all, much less with stuff that may be needed to save his life.


Perfectly correct. Jane and Marie have already proven that they aren't worthy of trust; they've done several things which show them to be irresponsible, assuming that they have been appropriately delegated authority in loco parentis.

First, drugging someone in the wine. Yeah, slip someone a mickey, or a date-rape drug. That's a great way to build trust.

Second, expose a child with a history of asthma to hyper-scented toiletries--in an attempt to disguise that these toiletries contain other materials (bleach) that have not been negotiated.

Now that you've been reminded of the asthmatic sensitivities, send the kid down to a barn (intending to insure that another kid abuses this one, so you can be like a junior high/high school coach and hurt "freak" kids with plausible deniability).

It isn't surprising that Tuck should take precautions--it's just surprising that he should consider returning to Jane at all. That seems to be explained in the first part of this episode: the dream suggests to Tuck that his parents have set him up in some sort of test, before they give him the rest of the information (that they already have?) about his medical condition. He's provoked their distrust by running away. And ... oops. Ran away. Hmmm. Fix it, but how? Obviously, they had to engage someone of pretty questionable reliability for the test; that was maybe because anyone really trustworthy wouldn't be willing to run the test properly. Okay. That means that the test needs to happen--and Tuck needs to be responsible for making sure that proper protections are in place, since Jane and Marie can't be trusted to do so.

Ugh, you know? It makes sense, and I can even credit that the Tucker family has been engaged in challenging Eugene, to encourage his development, for a long time (and that Bill and Sarah do this for all the children). It's just ... ugh.

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Re: Twelve! [message #6479] Mon, 20 September 2010 11:56 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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lurker wrote on Fri, 17 September 2010 21:18

stanman wrote on Fri, 17 September 2010 13:16

what if tucker believed that his parents had told jane about hs medical needs?


That's the problem! Tuck should not be afraid to show Jane his epinephrine injections if Tuck suspects she knows of his medical history. However, Jane does not know of Tuck problems, and unless the other Eugene Wallace has the identical medical conditions (or rather a need to have the epi's in his possession) - which should be statistically improbable but not impossible, Jane should be concerned of Tuck carrying prescription only drugs around that her files don't corroborate!

So I challenge Ellen to put Chekov's gun in the story and make it work! Very Happy !


Actually, the drugs in Tucks luggage where mentioned within the story.

If you remember when he was formulating his plan with the horses one of his rationals was that they would either give him something, get him his drugs from his luggage, or he'd call 911 and get her arrested.

Also if you are a follower of the Seasons stories, Jane and Marie very rarely actually, if ever in fact, go through the baggage of their students. They simply remove the baggage and store it in the attic. They don't search it unless they have to remove the contents but cannot remove the bags in a case like with Tuck where the bags have been secured to furniture. However Tuck also had locks on all of his luggage so they could not do that either! So the drugs are there, however Jane and Marie are not aware of them.

Also things like Allergies are something that often are forgotten to be mentioned amongst adults when it comes to the Juvee system. Particularly when said allergies or asthma are seemingly in remission.


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Re: Twelve! [message #6487] Thu, 23 September 2010 20:06 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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lurker wrote on Sat, 18 September 2010 02:18

Tuck should not be afraid to show Jane his epinephrine injections if Tuck suspects she knows of his medical history.


I wouldn't be inclined to do this, based on real-world school policies I've heard about; Any kid is not allowed to have ANY drugs pills etc in their possession AT ALL (not even prescription), and all medications must be administered by the school nurse.

If I was subject to death-by-asthma, I'd figure that if I gave my meds away like I was supposed to, Something Would Happen and the school nurse couldn't be found or was drunk or on sick leave or SOMETHING and no one would dare give me the Epi shots (or let me give them to myself) and I'd die. Or I couldn't make it to the nurse before I collapsed, unseen, and I'd die. Or...

Relying upon others-working-correctly to save your life is sort of stupid, and antithetical to Tucker philosophy.

lurker wrote on Sat, 18 September 2010 02:18

So I challenge Ellen to put http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/ChekhovsGun in the story and make it work! Very Happy !


Sorry, had to pawn the gun to get food a few months ago. Want the claim ticket?


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Re: Twelve! [message #6491] Mon, 27 September 2010 02:00 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Ellen Hayes wrote on Thu, 23 September 2010 17:06

lurker wrote on Sat, 18 September 2010 02:18

Tuck should not be afraid to show Jane his epinephrine injections if Tuck suspects she knows of his medical history.


I wouldn't be inclined to do this, based on real-world school policies I've heard about; Any kid is not allowed to have ANY drugs pills etc in their possession AT ALL (not even prescription), and all medications must be administered by the school nurse.

If I was subject to death-by-asthma, I'd figure that if I gave my meds away like I was supposed to, Something Would Happen and the school nurse couldn't be found or was drunk or on sick leave or SOMETHING and no one would dare give me the Epi shots (or let me give them to myself) and I'd die. Or I couldn't make it to the nurse before I collapsed, unseen, and I'd die. Or...

Relying upon others-working-correctly to save your life is sort of stupid, and antithetical to Tucker philosophy.


There are cases where parents had to *sue* school districts to get them to let the kid carry the epi-pen. And this was *with* both parents and doctors telling them that the kid could *die* in the time it could take to get the pen from the nurse.


"zero-tolerance" policies are almost always simply a means for the school to be table to avoid responsibility for deciding who gets to vcarry what.

And as with all attempts to avoid responsibilities that are properly yours, they come back and bite the schools frequently.
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Crying or Very Sad The unfortunant truth is that bureaucrats are always looking for ways to avoid personal responsibility while at the same time denying personal responsibility and freedom of action to those they are supposed to be serving!
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