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Rachel's TuckSquared [message #853] Sat, 19 April 2003 18:38 Go to next message
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Okay, just how canonical do you think the characters in this fanfic acted? Any reasoned criticism? Or do we just say wow and wait for more? Smile

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Re: Rachel's TuckSquared [message #854] Sat, 19 April 2003 18:51 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Erin Halfelven wrote on Sat, 19 April 2003 23:38

Okay, just how canonical do you think the characters in this fanfic acted? Any reasoned criticism? Or do we just say wow and wait for more? Smile

- Erin


Well, let's just say there were parts I had to fight Ellen over to keep them in. But I'm not going to tell you which parts. :->

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Re: Rachel's TuckSquared [message #855] Sat, 19 April 2003 18:56 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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I really, really, enjoyed this story. The characters seemed to fit, the story line was fascinating, and it was extremely well written. I loved the tie in with Aunt Jane (a character I have come to adore) and the establishment of Tuck as Val.

We are, however, hanging here... Surprised)
Re: Rachel's TuckSquared [message #856] Sat, 19 April 2003 21:28 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Well, that would be interesting to know. Smile I've written one short Tuck FanFic and Ellen has some definite ideas about how the characters act and react. Smile

The thing I enjoyed most about writing mine was one bit I had that she said sounded as if I really knew the family. Smile That was the reference to Who's on First at the end of Tuck and the Wizard.

Was there anything similar in your experience of writing Tuck Squared, Rachel?

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Re: Rachel's TuckSquared [message #857] Sat, 19 April 2003 21:30 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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I've never finished Tuck Season so some of the references in the story went over my head. The impressive thing to me was, that didn't matter that much. I think I would have enjoyed the story if I had never heard of Aunt Jane. Smile Good job, Rachel.

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Re: Rachel's TuckSquared [message #858] Sat, 19 April 2003 23:12 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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I too really, really like Rachel's writing. It was like reading Ellen.

But in answer to Erin, I do not think that the cutting (scarring) is a part of the Tuck that I see in Ellen's writing. Tuck passes out at the sight of his own blood. I can see sort of why Rachel has it in, but I believe it can be left out.

The other thing that was just a minor rub was Valerie and the motorcycle. I know that Mike works on Stupid. And I am sure that Tuck might have that talent, I am not sure I see Val doing that. Of course that was the alternative universe.

I enjoyed the way she brought Debbie back into the storyline. It was satisfying to have her a part of the action. Also like how Rachel had Val's mom find out about Valerie.
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One more time.Is this working now?

- ErinErin: Nope.

Ericshaken and not sturredStarting over, since the board seems to be accepting SOME copy now (and I'm forewarned enough to save this in case it doesn't show up):

As Rose2 pointed out in the guestbook, thinking up alternative "Sliders"-type Tuck universes is a lot easier than starting from scratch.

(My latest thought is one where Ellen never broke up with Tuck, so Debbie, looking for a lover to feminize, takes up with Ivan Singley instead, who then WINS the Halloween contest and goes on to work the make-up sessions and date Travis. Tuck still gets to know the Pack because Mike and Kim have gotten together, and he still does summer work for Debbie (as a male at the lemonade stand, and helping out with accounting software), but he doesn't catch onto his physical and mental changes nearly as fast, and doesn't have the Valerie outlet for them, though the Pack gets friendlier with him at school as his o
Re: Rachel's TuckSquared [message #860] Sun, 20 April 2003 00:41 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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utlook becomes more like theirs. Meanwhile, Ellen, in more congenial surroundings, never gets raped or attempts suicide, so Nickerson doesn't overreact, isn't an immediate threat to the Boyz or the Pack and doesn't lose his job -- which makes a transition by Tuck, if he ever does think about going that route after he catches on to what's happening, impractical to say the least without leaving McAllen.)

Anyway, what I put up here in the first place, as the self-evident (?) third Tuck universe to join the mainstream and Seasons, is one where Tuck really does get to the boot camp, and -- contrary to expectations -- turns out to be as good at subverting things there and controlling the situation as he was in Jane's environment.

The argument is that the complete transformation of Tuck from a reactive go-with-the-flow type with real enemies to a (literally) incredibly inventive mover and shaker can work as effectively when he's forced to be Tuck on a 24/7 basis as it does in Jane's universe when he's Valerie 24/7 -- that his immediate need is to overcome the indecision and let one side rule regardless of which side it is, and to be in a position where he can make a first impression on people rather than being hemmed in by his past.

From a practical standpoint, at the boot camp he'd have the paramilitary aspects and familiarity with the weaponry down cold, and he very likely can communicate with Mike to smuggle in the real equivalent of the fake weapons they're probably dealing with, which could give him the leverage he needs against the adult drill leaders. Since the rest of the campers have been established as rebellious types who have no more desire to be there than Tuck does, if he can overcome their initial antipathy to someone his size and shape, he'll have an "army" behind him in revolt.

(And it may be worth mentioning that even in the mainstream Tuck universe, the "revolutionary army" he was part of on the camping trip conquered a Scout camp, albeit without the Scout leaders knowing they had an adversary.)

Anyway, the question from the point of view of a Tuck Cubed -- where he meets Tuck/Val and Valerie outside of Sheila's office building in December -- is what happened n


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Re: Rachel's TuckSquared [message #861] Sun, 20 April 2003 04:37 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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ext, when he got back, had an outlet for his Valerie side again, resumed babysitting the Parker kids and renewed his relationship with Debbie (or did he break up with her, unable to handle her manipulative ways?). What kind of a Tuck/Val will the other two encounter?

Any thoughts?

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Re: Rachel's TuckSquared [message #862] Sun, 20 April 2003 05:47 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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a new thread).

EricErin:

Help!

Your question, my answer and my new note in the "Tuck Cubed?" thread have overwritten Cate, Janet, Doragoon and me from 4/19 and 4/20 in this thread.

Heaven knows where this one will end up.

EricThis seems to have gone back to being nearly normal. Hope hope hope. :>

Interesting concept for a new universe and a confluence of Tuck/Vals. So how soon can we expect to see this manifold made manifest? Smile

- Erin[New thread time again. Hopefully it'll cooperate this time...]

Well, 95's up.

Has Ellen sneaked an extra week in on us before we find out what's wrong or was our timing fouled up? I know I'm not the only one who thought that this was the weekend of the family session with Sheila...

Eric
Eric wrote on Sat, 26 April 2003 13:37

[New thread time again. Hopefully it'll cooperate this time...]

Well, 95's up.

Has Ellen sneaked an extra week in on us before we find out what's wrong or was our timing fouled up? I know I'm not the only one who thought that this was the weekend of the family session with Sheila...

Eric


I originally thought it was the following week, but someone else convinced me it was this week too, and I didn't go back and check.

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Erin:

Probably a long time, if you're waiting for me to do it. I don't have the paramilitary expertise to write the summer part (I don't know that two months without Valerie would be interesting reading anyway) and I'm not as inventive as Tuck is.

My best thoughts on development there are (1) his takeover succeeds in part because the commanders realize that in getting everyone to shape up and work together, he's accomplished the camp's goal anyway; and (2) Tuck's sensitive enough about his physical development to conceal his body from the group; his second in command is convinced he's a girl and develops a crush on him, and his suppressed Valerie side responds. (Not that either of those plot twists seems particularly clever or unpredictable, or even original.)

But the way for me to avoid the summer plot problems (and the need to figure out how Tuck got the campers' confidence in the first place) would be the way Rachel did her story -- just put (in this case) the three Tuckers together in December and keep the rest as back story.

And at this point I haven't answered the questions I asked at the bottom of the note: how would Tuck/Valerie-3 have reacted upon the return and which way would (s)he
Re: Rachel's TuckSquared [message #863] Sun, 20 April 2003 07:25 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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the world cooperating; is that an impossible dream? (Or one beyond my plotting capabilities, anyway.)

Again from the plotting standpoint, Tuck-3, like Valerie-2, could be helpful to fouled-up Tuck-1 in providing a positive alternative. But the rest of the relationships seem to be up for grabs: is Tuck-3 in a position to learn from the other two? Is Tuck-3, if he's gotten it right (whatever that means) a threat to Valerie-2 or an object lesson, or what?

If I had answers, I guess I'd have a story...

EricUtterly unimportant but I couldn't help thinking about what happened as an ex-insurance agent:

Dobson should be able to get the insurance company to pay for Tuck's car because Tuck was a school contractor that weekend, not just a student and so the school definitely has liability under thei

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Re: Rachel's TuckSquared [message #864] Sun, 20 April 2003 15:37 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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r coverage for what happened to the car. They have liability even without that fillip but the insura
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nce company probably has an exclusion for vandalism done to student cars.

Dobson may not know this and the school's agent is probably not going to tell him. Nor the school's lawyer unless Dobson asks the right question. If the Tuckers ask a lawyer or their own agent, they would likely find out and it's possible insurance and liability are different in -- whatever state Tuck is in.

It gets worse. Smile The school's insurance company would likely claim that Tuck arrived as a student and therefore the car is not a contractor's car. And bad for Dobson, Tuck left the school in Dobson's personal car.

Also I'm a little confused about who went where in which car there at the end of that evening. Smile

- ErinAs far as I know (I've only read it once so far), Tuck went everywhere that night in Mike's car: to Rachel's to change, to meet the Dobsons for dinner, back to Rachel's to change back, and home.

Question: Did I read that right, Tuck being concerned about whether Mike knew that he'd borrowed a shirt belonging to a gay man?

Observation: Talk about convoluted: I'd place a heavy bet that Mrs. Dobson already knows about Tuck/Val, given the way that conversation about boyfriends went. (There's no reason I can think of why Dobson wouldn't have told her, either in connection with the summer convention or his hesitation about driving Val home after the concert, or simply because he'd find it too good a story not to tell the one person in town that he could safely
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a dance or something.. i forget exactly what. but tuck started dating deb around august 6th, i think. so it would have had to have been early his freshman year, or in junior high. that would be a LONG relationship. and rather unlikly, even though they didn't break up for any real reason. anyways, lets just assume that that DID happen, becouse that would be a really nice thing to happen, tuck being in a good long term relationship, and ellen not having ever gotten raped and comiting suicide.

i couldn't see deb ever dating ivan the terrible. deb goes after men she can subdue. tuck has a reputation of being passive an
Re: Rachel's TuckSquared [message #873] Thu, 24 April 2003 13:01 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Is this working now?

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Re: Rachel's TuckSquared [message #874] Thu, 24 April 2003 17:06 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Erin: Looks as though it is, as far as new messages are concerned, though the old ones may be lost forever (and I don't know whether we can start a new thread).

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Re: Rachel's TuckSquared [message #877] Fri, 25 April 2003 05:33 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Erin:

Help!

Your question, my answer and my new note in the "Tuck Cubed?" thread have overwritten Cate, Janet, Doragoon and me from 4/19 and 4/20 in this thread.

Heaven knows where this one will end up.

Eric
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Let's see if this thread is working at all; it appears to have some historical difficulties.

I just wanted to point out that information on the sequel has been posted over on Ellen's site, both in the guestbook and the Tuck notes. All I have to say is yay! Any praise I could try to heap on Rachel's story would pale before the fact that Ellen is yielding to what she describes as blackmail to get a follow-up; and if Ellen wants to see more that much, who am I to disagree?
Re: Rachel's TuckSquared [message #1414] Thu, 06 November 2003 19:03 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Since Rachel was talking about rewriting Tuck Squared to incorporate the upcoming Tuck Season revision, Erin's question about "canonical behavior" may have some practical effect.

So I wanted to bring up a question about one of Rachel's one-liners, so to speak: Mike succeeding Tuck as Debbie's makeover demonstration. Wouldn't Debbie think twice before using an Asian American for the purpose before a mostly Caucasian audience? (Not racism, of course, just a matter of coloring.)

Seems to me that if she was looking at the Boyz as potential replacements, she'd try to get George (at least until he got hurt) or maybe Dan. (Actually, I don't really see her choosing them over whatever male D&E employees she already has under contract, once it comes down to a business proposition rather than a boyfriend thing. But then it wouldn't be in the story.)

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Re: Rachel's TuckSquared [message #1415] Thu, 06 November 2003 20:14 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Eric wrote on Fri, 07 November 2003 00:03

Since Rachel was talking about rewriting Tuck Squared to incorporate the upcoming Tuck Season revision,


Um, no, I'm not intending to alter Tuck Squared. It shouldn't be necessary; while it was in the proofing stage, Ellen was indicating little things to change so as to not break continuity and make it fit both versions. There will still be a minor continuity 'error', but I'll leave you guessing about that for now. It's not enough to warrant doing a 'rewrite', that's for sure.

Anyway, in a fractally-dimented multiverse, who knows which of the timelines in which Tuck went to Jane's Academy Tuck Squared is derived from? Twisted Evil

Does change things for the sequel though, which is planned to derive from the new version. I'm actually taking a break from that at the moment though, and doing NaNoWriMo (http://www.nanowrimo.org/) this month, with an entirely unrelated story.

Am also still swooning over a lovely picture of Valerie from Tuck Squared that Pacchi did that I'm really hoping is going to see the light of day soon. Got it pinned to the wall in front of me as I type... Twisted Evil

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Erin's question about "canonical behavior" may have some practical effect.

So I wanted to bring up a question about one of Rachel's one-liners, so to speak: Mike succeeding Tuck as Debbie's makeover demonstration. Wouldn't Debbie think twice before using an Asian American for the purpose before a mostly Caucasian audience? (Not racism, of course, just a matter of coloring.)


hehe, well, that was a throwaway, as you seem to have surmised, mainly there as an excuse to get a joke in at Val's Mike's expense. I'd actually forgotten about that... (My way of saying, don't sweat it, it won't hold up to scrutiny.)

I dunno, though, now you've reminded me... Ever seen Farewell My Concubine? <sigh/> I suppose I might also have had in the back of my mind an old friend of mine, who was (well, still is) Taiwanese (ethnic Chinese) and was frankly gorgeous to look at... he's married now. I'm still astonished at that news. We used to call him Monica, after the way, when hosting a party, he'd run around with drinks coasters and hors d'oeuvres that he'd made himself... This is of course so not Mike, but whatthehell?

And of course there's the hair - what you can do with that hair...

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Re: Rachel's TuckSquared [message #1416] Thu, 06 November 2003 21:28 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Um, throwaway line or not in Tuck^2, the idea that Mike replaced Tuck as Debbie's model comes right from the original Tuck Season story- Part 13, mostly, if you still have a copy of the old version on your hard drive somewhere.
As far as "canonical behavior" goes, the few blips are vastly outnumbered by the scenes that get it right, to the point where there's at least one bit in T^2 that would make my personal top 10 Tuck moments list. Any chance of seeing the epilogue- prologue soon, Rachel?
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OtherEric wrote on Fri, 07 November 2003 02:28

Um, throwaway line or not in Tuck^2, the idea that Mike replaced Tuck as Debbie's model comes right from the original Tuck Season story- Part 13, mostly, if you still have a copy of the old version on your hard drive somewhere.


There, y'see, I knew that! 'course I did. Embarassed

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As far as "canonical behavior" goes, the few blips are vastly outnumbered by the scenes that get it right, to the point where there's at least one bit in T^2 that would make my personal top 10 Tuck moments list.


Ohh? Wossat then?

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Any chance of seeing the epilogue- prologue soon, Rachel?


Not immediately. I want to get at least to a certain point, threshold, whatever, with the new story, where I'm satisfied at least with myself that I'm going to be able to finish it, before I start releasing it, as I'd hate to get people into a state of wanting the next one if there isn't going to be a next one. Things get emotionally fraught sometimes, hence taking a break from it right now to get some distance.


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Re: Rachel's TuckSquared [message #1418] Fri, 07 November 2003 14:19 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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I know what that's like i have maybe 5 or 6 stories on the go that i have gotten to maybe chapter 2 on. I made the mistake of posting 2 of them as i was going along. It's great to get fan mail, but it really sucks when the fan-mail consists of nothing but; "when's the next chapter coming out?". Aswell all the variations on that theme.

*goes back to slamming head against brick wall, in vain attempt to unstick writer's block*
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rachel.greenham wrote on Fri, 07 November 2003 05:09

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As far as "canonical behavior" goes, the few blips are vastly outnumbered by the scenes that get it right, to the point where there's at least one bit in T^2 that would make my personal top 10 Tuck moments list.

Ohh? Wossat then?

The ear-piercing scene, or more specifically the bit while they're waiting in line. You nail the bond between Mike and Tuck perfectly, IMO. (To be fair, my top 10 moments list would currently be about 25 bits I've never actually tried to formally list. I'm sure that scene would survive the editing, though.)

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Any chance of seeing the epilogue- prologue soon, Rachel?

Not immediately. I want to get at least to a certain point, threshold, whatever, with the new story, where I'm satisfied at least with myself that I'm going to be able to finish it, before I start releasing it...

Fair enough. You had mentioned that you thought the epilogue- prologue was about ready over in Ellen's guestbook, so I thought I would ask. This lets me assume that Valerie made it home safely that much longer, though. Smile
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