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Wandering Son [message #6687] Fri, 08 April 2011 13:39 Go to next message
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Just finished watching Wandering Son on Crunchyroll.

Its about a Japanese Tgirl and Tboy starting Junior High. It was a bit hard to follow what was going on sometimes but I liked it. Wish there was more but this season has finished and it was simulcast with the Japanese transmission.

I am very tempted to get the English manga when they start releasing it later this year. The manga starts from a much earlier point, when the main characters are in 5th grade.

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Re: Wandering Son [message #6690] Fri, 08 April 2011 13:52 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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JenC wrote on Fri, 08 April 2011 12:39

Just finished watching Wandering Son on Crunchyroll.

Its about a Japanese Tgirl and Tboy starting Junior High. It was a bit hard to follow what was going on sometimes but I liked it.


Is this anime or live action drama? Is it anything at all like Coffee Prince?

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Re: Wandering Son [message #6710] Sat, 09 April 2011 06:11 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Sorry should have said - Anime.

Don't know if its like Coffee Prince as I have never seen it.

Its set in the real world and is really just about a group of Japanese kids dealing with growing up, its just a couple of them have more things to deal with than others.

I definitely felt the anime jumped in at the middle of the story because the manga starts with them younger. But the point it jumped in at feels ok. Its just a shame there is only 11 episodes (well 12, but they spliced two episodes together due to the tsunami disrupting broadcasting one week).

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Re: Wandering Son [message #6729] Sat, 09 April 2011 21:09 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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JenC wrote on Sat, 09 April 2011 05:11

Sorry should have said - Anime.

Don't know if its like Coffee Prince as I have never seen it.



Coffee Prince (Actually "1st Shop of Coffee Prince") is a live action drama from South Korea following the lives of several people as they live and work in a small coffee shop. Only that only just barely scratches the surface of the story...

Quoting from Wikipedia...

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Choi Han Kyul (Gong Yoo) is the cocky son of a very rich family who runs a damaged food corporation. He doesn't believe in love and certainly doesn't want to get married despite his family's requests. On the other hand, Go Eun Chan (Yoon Eun Hye) is a 24-year-old tomboyish female who is often mistaken for a guy. She takes up every job possible—waitress, food deliverer, etc.—and has the responsibility of taking care of her mother and younger sister. Eun Chan accidentally meets Han Kyul twice, once on a delivery and once during a robbery. During the robbery, Eun Chan's delivery motorcycle ends up being damaged. Han Kyul, not knowing that Eun Chan is actually a girl, decides to hire Eun Chan as a false "lover" so that he can escape the blind dates arranged by his grandmother. Meanwhile, Han Kyul's cousin, Choi Han Seong, is an established music producer and his ex-girlfriend Han Yoo Joo, who Han Kyul has secretly loved for nine years, is a famous artist who studied in New York. The two were lovers for about 8 years, but their relationship ended when Yoo Joo broke up with Han Seong. Two years after they separate, their paths cross again when Yoo Joo returns to Seoul.

After getting an ultimatum from his grandmother, Han Kyul takes over a rundown old coffee shop, later renamed Coffee Prince, to prove his ability, both to his grandmother and Yoo Joo. In order to attract female customers, he only hires good-looking male employees. In a struggle with money, Eun Chan, whom Han Kyul has already mistaken as a boy, hides her gender to get a job at Coffee Prince. Soon, feelings start to spark between Eun Chan and Han Kyul. Because he's unaware that Eun Chan is a girl, Han Kyul starts to question his sexuality.


That description really doesn't do the series justice though, because it fails to convey the playfulness of the series or how sweet the actors are at portraying the emotions of falling in love. Or the humor inherent in the many many ways the story revolves around the characters being genderfucked. If you'll pardon my french.

If you give it a shot, be sure to watch at least three episodes to get a real feel for the series, because some of the silliness of the first episode does not carry over to the rest of the series and it could be easy to dismiss the show over incidental humor that really doesn;t reflect on the rest of the episodes.

Oh and if you're more inclined to read, you can read the original novel which has been translated into English by fans of the show here. I warn you the novel and the television show diverge quite a bit as they go on.

JenC wrote on Sat, 09 April 2011 05:11

Its set in the real world and is really just about a group of Japanese kids dealing with growing up, its just a couple of them have more things to deal with than others.

I definitely felt the anime jumped in at the middle of the story because the manga starts with them younger. But the point it jumped in at feels ok. Its just a shame there is only 11 episodes (well 12, but they spliced two episodes together due to the tsunami disrupting broadcasting one week).

Jen


Hmmm it sounds like it could be a good watch. Always sweeter to see things happen during adolescence for some reason. Maybe it is because feelings are so new to us that they resonate stronger than they ever seem to later in life?

Thanks for sharing!

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Re: Wandering Son [message #6733] Mon, 11 April 2011 02:38 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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First, coffee prince was very good. I watched it with my husband who's normally not a fan of that kinda thing in any way, and he liked it too. Totally worth the time. The only bad thing was that it inspired me to try to watch other Korean dramas. Apparently they are very hit and miss.

back to wandering son. I just finished it and wow. that was a rather painful 6 hours. I don't know if it was a good hurt or a bad hurt. Especially with that ending which leaves NOTHING resolved. Definitely going to have to wait till the tears dry before passing final judgement on this one.
Re: Wandering Son [message #6740] Mon, 11 April 2011 06:31 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Actually I had noticed Coffee Prince before but never actually looked at it - its now on my pending media list.

I should probably warned people a bit about Wandering Son. I found it emotionally tough too, although not as hard as Tuck main. For me they both hurt for the same reasons, but I think they are good hurts and may be why I am seeking out similar plot points and environments. But sometimes it really hurts.

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Re: Wandering Son [message #6741] Mon, 11 April 2011 15:43 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Well geeze...

Now I'm not sure if I want to see Wandering Son any more.

It's not that I object to some pain in the story, it's just that I insist that the characters get a fair deal and have a happy ending at the close of the story. Real Life is often difficult enough as is--I think fiction should be able to offer us those elusive happy endings we seek after without any shamefulness. It may not be reality, but if we wanted to know that after the ellipse the hero discovered yet one more (of an unending number) of hills to climb in order to accomplish his or her goal it wouldn't be fiction we'd be reading.

Sure you can make things as miserable as you need to make your characters dance, give them enormous challenges to overcome--that's just good story telling--but when you fail to sing us out on a high note I think the reader or viewer gets cheated.

There's some pain in Coffee Prince, but in the end nearly everyone is happy or at least the show hints that there will be happiness in their future. I was really looking forward to there being a sequel but between the delay caused by Gong Yoo (played Choi Han-Gyul) going into the South Korean army (mandatory service--he's out now though) and the unfortunate death of Lee Eon (played Hwang Min Yeop) in a motorcycle accident I wonder if they could ever recapture the magic of the show again?

South Korean dramas may be very hit and miss, but at least you can generally count on them having an ending to the show. Try to get that on most North American television series! Half the time the actors themselves aren't even informed if they have a job next season let alone the writers!

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Re: Wandering Son [message #6742] Mon, 11 April 2011 16:43 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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iWindoze wrote on Mon, 11 April 2011 20:43

Well geeze...

Now I'm not sure if I want to see Wandering Son any more.

It's not that I object to some pain in the story, it's just that I insist that the characters get a fair deal and have a happy ending at the close of the story. Real Life is often difficult enough as is--I think fiction should be able to offer us those elusive happy endings we seek after without any shamefulness. It may not be reality, but if we wanted to know that after the ellipse the hero discovered yet one more (of an unending number) of hills to climb in order to accomplish his or her goal it wouldn't be fiction we'd be reading.

Sure you can make things as miserable as you need to make your characters dance, give them enormous challenges to overcome--that's just good story telling--but when you fail to sing us out on a high note I think the reader or viewer gets cheated.


For me Wandering Son was much easier than Tuck. Some of the challenges aren't as tough as Tuck has, but they are very realistic and so I found myself connecting with the characters just as much as I do in Tuck. The ending is obviously not a proper ending, they are still writing the manga its based on, but I thought it was an OK point to pause (hopefully). There are ups and downs but even with the downs there was usually a bit of something positive about them.

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Re: Wandering Son [message #6751] Mon, 11 April 2011 22:28 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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It's totally possible to write any story so that it has a happy ending. it's part of how you craft a story. what you choose to show the reader and what you choose not to. Where you start the story and where you end it.

imagine if the tuck saga ended on April 27th. you could craft the story to make it appear as if tuck is overcoming his issues and boldly facing a future without telling the reader exactly what it is, but he will have friends and and a GF and they will all face this uncertain future together... that's about how wandering son left me. feeling that the whole thing was headed off a cliff, but not showing us the cliff so we could pretend it was a happy ending.

Just how important is Joseph Campbell to storytelling? his theories can apply to any story, and if you work backwards, you can take just about any events and if you plug them into his outline, you WILL have a story. Kinda crazy how well it works.

and i thought the ending they gave the coffee prince TV show was decent enough. and i don't know how they could actually continue it. Best they could do is a contrived spin-off, which would probably be better off as a standalone with all new actors.
Re: Wandering Son [message #6752] Mon, 11 April 2011 23:57 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Doragoon wrote on Mon, 11 April 2011 21:28


imagine if the tuck saga ended on April 27th. you could craft the story to make it appear as if tuck is overcoming his issues and boldly facing a future without telling the reader exactly what it is, but he will have friends and and a GF and they will all face this uncertain future together... that's about how wandering son left me. feeling that the whole thing was headed off a cliff, but not showing us the cliff so we could pretend it was a happy ending.


That's not too bad then. I may try to hunt it down. To a certain degree it's better to be left wanting more than to fall into entropy. We all know stories whose authors simply continued them on years after they should have ended. (Yes Orson Scott Card, I'm looking at you...sigh..)

Doragoon wrote on Mon, 11 April 2011 21:28

and i thought the ending they gave the coffee prince TV show was decent enough. and i don't know how they could actually continue it. Best they could do is a contrived spin-off, which would probably be better off as a standalone with all new actors.


Yeah, I know what you mean. Well that and the stupidity that was dragging out the ending by having Eun Chan run off the way she did. I understand that they wanted to show the character as beautiful as the actress was, but thought they did so at the expense of the story. Worse to a degree it undermined the earlier bits by changing the character to fit a dubious standard for beauty undermining the whole profession of love despite outward appearances.

That and after awhile the whole subplot with Choi Han Seong and Han Yoo Joo just got old after awhile and seemed to drag on and on... They slowly became my least favorite part of the series despite me having liked them initially. I thought that ending there would have been better on the editing floor.

Besides I loved the interaction between Eun Chan and Hwang Min Yeop, and the subplot there involving Eun Chan's sister. Without his playful puppy like machismo counterpointing Eun Chan's droopy act I just don't know how much fun the series would be. Coffee Prince was a perfect blend.

Think back to the first ten or twenty chapters of Tuck. Would any of us had gotten as hooked as we did if it wasn't for the perfect blend of adolescence and geekdom with a strong dash of John Hughes for flavoring? It was just enough wish fulfillment, just enough sexiness and fun to reel us in like a fish on the line...

Magic.

Somehow I just don't see lightening striking twice without everything feeling like a retread...

--iWindoze
Re: Wandering Son [message #6753] Tue, 12 April 2011 00:57 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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iWindoze wrote on Mon, 11 April 2011 23:57

I may try to hunt it down.


hunt no more
http://www.crunchyroll.com/hourou-musuko-wandering-son/-wandering-son-in troduction-568704

iWindoze wrote on Mon, 11 April 2011 23:57


I understand that they wanted to show the character as beautiful as the actress was, but thought they did so at the expense of the story. Worse to a degree it undermined the earlier bits by changing the character to fit a dubious standard for beauty undermining the whole profession of love despite outward appearances.


i didn't think it was so much about appearances as it was about the label. weren't there several times when he said that she would look kinda cute as a girl? he kinda played it off as friendly male teasing, but i think that's kinda the point. It's almost a typical ugly duckling story with the moral being, "anyone can be pretty if they try." which, being a cynic, i always take to mean, "it's OK to be mean to people who aren't pretty, because they could be if they wanted to."

for another really good ugly duckling story, i totally recommend "Princess Jellyfish". and it even has a CD character so it's kinda on topic! i think it handles the issues involved with turning the ugly duckling pretty a lot better. mainly, that if it was that simple, they would have done it already. that the fact that they don't comes from something inside them, and that has to be addressed otherwise they will just resent being prettied up.
Re: Wandering Son [message #6756] Thu, 14 April 2011 16:02 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Doragoon wrote on Mon, 11 April 2011 23:57

iWindoze wrote on Mon, 11 April 2011 23:57

I may try to hunt it down.


hunt no more
http://www.crunchyroll.com/hourou-musuko-wandering-son/-wandering-son-in troduction-568704


Thank you for that. The downloads will be added to my queue. I have an XBMC box for watching stuff so I am nearly always downloading something... I just wish there were someone local with which I could watch the stuff with...

Doragoon wrote on Mon, 11 April 2011 23:57

i didn't think it was so much about appearances as it was about the label. weren't there several times when he said that she would look kinda cute as a girl? he kinda played it off as friendly male teasing, but i think that's kinda the point.


Hmmm.. maybe I misread that scene. Wasn't that when Choi Han-Gyul was still bound up inside about his attraction to what he believed was another guy? He even went so far as to accuse her of being an alien in the subtitles I watched... I didn't take it so seriously as your next point did, I just took it as indication of him exploring the possibility of something more.

Doragoon wrote on Mon, 11 April 2011 23:57

It's almost a typical ugly duckling story with the moral being, "anyone can be pretty if they try." which, being a cynic, i always take to mean, "it's OK to be mean to people who aren't pretty, because they could be if they wanted to."


Yikes! Maybe that is a big part of why I was so unhappy with the way they dragged on the epilogue? I would have been much much happier if they had forgone the whole makeover or if they had simply sent her to a local spa. I mean, really sendig her to Paris to learn how to be a barista? Really?

Doragoon wrote on Mon, 11 April 2011 23:57

for another really good ugly duckling story, i totally recommend "Princess Jellyfish". and it even has a CD character so it's kinda on topic! i think it handles the issues involved with turning the ugly duckling pretty a lot better. mainly, that if it was that simple, they would have done it already. that the fact that they don't comes from something inside them, and that has to be addressed otherwise they will just resent being prettied up.


What another one you want to add to my watching list? Oh alright... May take me awhile to get to though, because I hate watching stuff alone and not having someone to talk about it with.

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Re: Wandering Son [message #6762] Fri, 15 April 2011 02:50 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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iWindoze wrote on Thu, 14 April 2011 16:02


I have an XBMC box for watching stuff so I am nearly always downloading something... I just wish there were someone local with which I could watch the stuff with...


I never understand that kinda thing. I just got a cheap $5 DVI to HDMI cable and hooked my gaming computer up to my TV as a second monitor. Seems like every grafix card these days have multiple outputs, and most of them have an HDMI out, which would make the audio situation easier than my solution.

iWindoze wrote on Thu, 14 April 2011 16:02


Hmmm.. maybe I misread that scene. Wasn't that when Choi Han-Gyul was still bound up inside about his attraction to what he believed was another guy? He even went so far as to accuse her of being an alien in the subtitles I watched... I didn't take it so seriously as your next point did, I just took it as indication of him exploring the possibility of something more.


I just finished reading the book, so my memory of the TV show might be skewed. I don't think it was meant seriously, but it was kinda a sign. I think there's an interesting question of looking like a boy who looks like a girl, vs looking like a girl who looks like a boy. wasn't En Chan described as looking like a boy who looks like a girl, not as a boyish looking girl. the difference between the two is probably a huge discussion by itself, and could get into cultural expectations since Korea is kinda weird.


iWindoze wrote on Thu, 14 April 2011 16:02


I hate watching stuff alone and not having someone to talk about it with.


Feel free to drop me a line if you ever want to chat. Seriously. I'm usually free.
Re: Wandering Son [message #6766] Wed, 20 April 2011 09:56 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Doragoon wrote on Fri, 15 April 2011 07:50

iWindoze wrote on Thu, 14 April 2011 16:02


I hate watching stuff alone and not having someone to talk about it with.


Feel free to drop me a line if you ever want to chat. Seriously. I'm usually free.



I wouldn't mind trying a little 'watching stuff' club thingy online for a bit if anyone else wants to.

At the moment I am rewatching Buffy & Angel from the beginning and am nearly finished Buffy second season - but I am only averaging just over one episode a week so its going to take a while. I really need to up my watching rate and drag myself away from the computer (well mainly Reddit ATM).

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JenC wrote on Wed, 20 April 2011 09:56


I wouldn't mind trying a little 'watching stuff' club thingy online for a bit if anyone else wants to.


Kinda like a book club, but with TV. I'm all for it.

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At the moment I am rewatching Buffy & Angel from the beginning and am nearly finished Buffy second season - but I am only averaging just over one episode a week so its going to take a while. I really need to up my watching rate and drag myself away from the computer (well mainly Reddit ATM).


My husband and I did that show recently. Not terribly deep, but a whole lotta fun. the trio never felt very Tucky to me, but as they saying goes, never expect a star trek solution in a Babylon 5 world. or something.


We're currently re-watching B5. every time Garibaldi does something awesome I think about Tuck and the quote from chapter 123.

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Doragoon wrote on Thu, 21 April 2011 19:02

every time Garibaldi does something awesome I think about Tuck and the quote from chapter 123.

Who told you to post that?

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Re: Wandering Son [message #6801] Thu, 28 April 2011 06:04 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Doragoon wrote on Thu, 21 April 2011 19:02

We're currently re-watching B5. every time Garibaldi does something awesome I think about Tuck and the quote from chapter 123.



I need to start watching that again. A friend left me his entire B5 VHS collection while he was abroad a few years ago and never collected it. Unfortunately due to being a bit too paranoid I locked myself out of my VHS player. How am I supposed to remember a pin code from a decade ago!

However, I have just stolen a suitable device from my parents so hopefully it'll work and I can watch it all again.

Jen
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It's all on neflix. Every episode of every season. I think it's up in a higher quality than on VHS, because they were weird and recorded the actors in HD, even if the CG is all in lower quality. I know it looks better than the last time I watched it on tape. But they apparently couldn't go back and re-render the CG in HD because someone lost the models.

Ironheart looks a lot better IMHO. they dumped the whole bubble thing. my husband didn't even realise that they had changed it and he's a HUGE fan of the show. Really well done.
Re: Wandering Son [message #6807] Sat, 30 April 2011 02:04 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Unfortunately I'm not in the US. But there may be something else, I'll have to have a look around.

Jen
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JenC wrote on Sat, 30 April 2011 01:04

Unfortunately I'm not in the US. But there may be something else, I'll have to have a look around.

Jen


Do some searches and I'm sure you can find something better than those old VHS tapes. Of course once you give up on Hollywood and start downloading it can be a tough habit to break and you could find yourself cutting the cord entirely...

I've been using a mix of XBMC and PseudoTV on an old computer I had and a spare Windows MCE remote to watch shows on the TV without any sort of cable network. I seek out shows in the Tiny encoded format using h264 and the matroska container format which allows for very high quality shows at very small file sizes. (Think of it as MP3 for video.)

I've built myself a library of shows I like and can watch them without commercials at my timing and my convenience--and with PseudoTV (and its more tweakable successor TVTime) I can still channel surf if I want to! Wink

Hey if Big Content refuses to realize that the internet has made media global and refuses to serve a market just begging to see their product, then they deserve to go broke IMHO.

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PS: I'd link you to where you can find the show but don't want to get in this place in trouble or run afoul of the moderators myself. Needless to say the series is available you just have to know where to look!
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iWindoze wrote on Sat, 30 April 2011 17:47

Of course once you give up on Hollywood and start downloading it can be a tough habit to break and you could find yourself cutting the cord entirely...


I am fairly risk adverse and, even if the risk in minuscule, my employer would severely frown on me getting in trouble.

iWindoze wrote on Sat, 30 April 2011 17:47

I've been using a mix of XBMC and PseudoTV on an old computer I had and a spare Windows MCE remote to watch shows on the TV without any sort of cable network. I seek out shows in the Tiny encoded format using h264 and the matroska container format which allows for very high quality shows at very small file sizes. (Think of it as MP3 for video.)

I've built myself a library of shows I like and can watch them without commercials at my timing and my convenience--and with PseudoTV (and its more tweakable successor TVTime) I can still channel surf if I want to! Wink


I have an old PC running WinXP and GBPVR, but the CPU fan just gave up the ghost and I am not sure I can be bothered to fix the thing. The machine has always been dodgy, it was so unstable that mythbuntu wouldn't install!! Eventually I'll setup a new media centre, but I'm in no hurry.

iWindoze wrote on Sat, 30 April 2011 17:47

Hey if Big Content refuses to realize that the internet has made media global and refuses to serve a market just begging to see their product, then they deserve to go broke IMHO.


I certainly agree that Big Content are on a hiding to nothing with desperately trying to hold on to their old business model. I read a very telling article a few years ago where a reporter was describing how their 2 year old was so used to having TV on demand on the house PVR and music on demand from an iPod that they couldn't understand the concept of broadcast radio and TV. Now admittedly they were very young but they already expected everything to be on demand.

Personally I still need broadcast TV and radio because if there isn't a set time to watch/listen I will forget to do it entirely. But I do like on demand as it means I am not a slave to the schedule.

Jen
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JenC wrote on Sat, 07 May 2011 14:42


Personally I still need broadcast TV and radio because if there isn't a set time to watch/listen I will forget to do it entirely.

You say that like it's a BAD thing.

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Ellen Hayes wrote on Sat, 07 May 2011 17:32

JenC wrote on Sat, 07 May 2011 14:42


Personally I still need broadcast TV and radio because if there isn't a set time to watch/listen I will forget to do it entirely.

You say that like it's a BAD thing.


Well I do spend about half my time at home reading sites like reddit and catching up on some good TV may be an improvement.

There are several good series I haven't watched/finished yet.

But I may have found a new distraction. I have had a couple of story universes and characters running round my head for a few years, but no coherent and interesting plan. Finally I have a plot to fit into one universe - just need to flesh it out, add characters and then actually write it. I wouldn't hold your breath though.

Jen

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