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loose ends [message #988] Fri, 30 May 2003 02:54 Go to next message
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i never have any luck making up new threads, but i'm going to try it again anyways.

there are a lot of things that havn't been brought up in the story recently with all the things that have been happening to tuck and mike and everthing. i'd like to see what things people can come up with and what they think might come from these lost storylines.
here's some to start us off.

gina

travis's basketball freinds

lisa (not to mention gary)

dan and ellen (havn't seen val yet)

da boyz not knowing about the kings island incident

kim's drinking problem

is tom lenich out of the story?

VK and chris, are they harrassed like tuck

why is ted kohler in the class with tuck?

john

drew lewis(long shot, but it could be another clue for others)

Beth, Scott, Josh, Anne, Megan, Bobby, Jessie, Sheila, Kathy, Ryan, Andy, Dana, Eric, Nancy, Mary, Steve, Lan, and Anne.

i'd like to see val meet mark again

is it getting time for tuck to get another haircut?

did we ever find out what the prank da boyz where planning at the pizza place?

how about those guy's when val was at the mall with amy who looked familier.

what's with travis and girls?

what was the debt lisa owed travis?

what guys does mike know who are seeimg a therepist? and why?

tuck's parents... LOTS of unknowns there. what do they think, what do they know. why are they acting the way they are.

brian. we know even less about him

tuck still hasn't changed the door code


ok, i'm sure people can find plenty to talk about from this. just trying to keep everyone's eyes open.





Re: loose ends [message #989] Fri, 30 May 2003 05:02 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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>>>dan and ellen (havn't seen val yet) <<<

Dan ran into Val at the mall on 1/18 14:37, and several times since.

Were you the one who said that Dan was an expert at picking locks? Can't find any reference to it -- can you give me a date?

Eric
Re: loose ends [message #990] Fri, 30 May 2003 12:51 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Doragoon wrote on Fri, 30 May 2003 01:54

i never have any luck making up new threads, but i'm going to try it again anyways.

there are a lot of things that havn't been brought up in the story recently with all the things that have been happening to tuck and mike and everthing. i'd like to see what things people can come up with and what they think might come from these lost storylines.
here's some to start us off.


kim's drinking problem

you must remember to be a problem she must not be able to control it as with any addiction

VK and chris, are they harrassed like tuck
harassed possibly but like Tuck, ummm I don't think they would relate or react in the same way that Tuck does

why is ted kohler in the class with tuck?
I think you are referring to the Cosmetology class that Tuck is taking? Perhaps he is gay maybe ?

is it getting time for tuck to get another haircut?
If Tucker is in Cosmetology the haircuts are free, as the students can and do work on each other and it is all part of the class work


how about those guy's when val was at the mall with amy who looked familier.
hmmm no idea but the possibilities are open

what's with travis and girls?
let me see Treavis is male and has male friends, they have girlfriends. I see no problem with Travis and girls either as friends or dating

what was the debt lisa owed travis?
I see it as several possibilities

  • blackmail
  • a way of getting Tucker distant from Debbie so Lisa can romance Debbie
  • a favor to Travis as he likes Valarie
  • a favor to Valarie as Lisa saw the attraction that Travis and Valarie had for each other despite the denial from Tucker at the time
  • as a game that Debbie thought would be a way to keep Tucker subserviant. . but Tuck/Val was like a fish to water need I say more ?


what guys does mike know who are seeimg a therepist? and why?
If it has anything to do with Tuck/Val we will I am sure we will become informed

tuck's parents... LOTS of unknowns there. what do they think, what do they know. why are they acting the way they are ?
Tu/Val's parents are just that her parents. . . they are there to nuture, protect and raise their child in the best way they know how
they are blinded by the obivous but with the recent revelation that Tu/Val is indeed female and her appearance as well as her interaction on the outside world might be starting to make an impression but then again parental units could ignore to obivious and only see a child that they raised as male in a crisis and possibly thinking making a persudo-male would be the best option. Hopefully they will not force anything but let Valarie decide for herself what steps will be necessary for her future happiness . . it will take soul searching on everyones part to get to the heart of the matter

brian. we know even less about him

  1. he is a jock
  2. he likes cats
  3. he is totally clueless about girls
  4. he is protective over Tuck
  5. he surely suspects that Tuck is leading a double life as the pack relates to her just like the other girls of the pack
  6. he is envious of Tucks relationship with the pack but is incapable of being able to join in as he is after all a male. .


tuck still hasn't changed the door code
priorities change and that is not currently on top of Tuck's list. . now if her mom goes into the room and ventures into the closet Valaries wardrobe will be apparent. . with the latest revelations I do not see hostilities but caring LOVE from the parents even though Tu/Val fears the worst

ok, i'm sure people can find plenty to talk about from this. just trying to keep everyone's eyes open.








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Re: loose ends [message #991] Sat, 31 May 2003 00:18 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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>>> >>>what's with travis and girls? <<<
let me see Travis is male and has male friends, they have girlfriends. I see no problem with Travis and girls either as friends or dating <<<

What Doragoon's getting at is that on at least two occasions, Travis bringing a girl (Valerie) to a party or dance has resulted in surprised comment or behavior from girls there; we still don't know why. (Travis claimed it's because the girls know he's shy.)

There's also the question as to whether Travis' behavior made sense when his male friends visited his place unexpectedly (entertaining them on the couch while Valerie slept in his room, instead of telling them he was otherwise occupied and to come back another time).

Eric
Re: loose ends [message #992] Sat, 31 May 2003 03:07 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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brian. we know even less about him

he is a jock
he likes cats
he is totally clueless about girls
he is protective over Tuck
he surely suspects that Tuck is leading a double life as the
pack relates to her just like the other girls of the pack
he is envious of Tucks relationship with the pack but is
incapable of being able to join in as he is after all a male. .


he's had a lot of odd lines around tuck and when something odd's been going on. soem of the things he's said or been cut off saying have been... interesting.

also you can't forget the underwear collection of his.
Re: loose ends [message #993] Sat, 31 May 2003 03:15 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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kim's drinking problem

you must remember to be a problem she must not be able to control it as with any addiction


yes, but she has a boyfreind who might help her. and her sister is a major playor in the plot line currently going on. it might have something to do with what's going on now.

i got the feeling in last episode that ellen was making even more obvious how big her drinking problem is, that maybe this might become a plot point in the future.
Re: loose ends [message #994] Sat, 31 May 2003 03:26 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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is it getting time for tuck to get another haircut?
If Tucker is in Cosmetology the haircuts are free, as the students can and do work on each other and it is all part of the class work


i didn't think they had gotten to hair yet? and if they did, i wouldn't be sure about trusting some of those students to but hair of actual people. i mean, jill, or kim? *shudder*
Re: loose ends [message #995] Sat, 31 May 2003 03:58 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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If it has anything to do with Tuck/Val we will I am sure we will become informed


what kinda an answer is that? that if we just wait, ellen will tell us? that's not what this thread is is about. it's about speculation and theories. there are lots of things to think about, i've touched on a few of them. it was one of those ideas that inspired Tuck^2 and all the little details in it.

so, come on! lets get speculating. i want to hear ideas! the more obscure and wacky the better. i know there are a lot of poeple who don't post much here, go ahead and post, you've got nothing to loose. it will surly be better than my romeo and juliet inspired tuck ideas.
Re: loose ends [message #996] Sat, 31 May 2003 07:01 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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>>>dan and ellen (havn't seen val yet) <<<

Dan ran into Val at the mall on 1/18 14:37, and several times since.

Were you the one who said that Dan was an expert at picking locks? Can't find any reference to it -- can you give me a date?


i get george and dan confused a lot. but he's what i've gathered. i think it's all correct, but if i got something wronge i'm sure someone can correct me.


George Spaulding: picks locks, spent summer on farm
Dan "the man": good with graphics and archery, is dating ellen.

george's picking locks is hinted at in the scene's where da boyz break into school, more so the second time than the first. but tuck in tuck seasons. i think he says that dan is good at picking locks when tuck was about to pick open jane's study

i'm not sure which of them is which but one of them has the name "goblin" the other is "foxtrot"

the last time val was with a group of da boyz, was august 30th. and if you pay close atention, Dan was conspicuously absent.

the last time dan saw Val WAS 18 jan. which was also the first time he'd seen val outside of school. i've looked through it a couple of times, noted in the last couple re-reads, and i think it's true. just seems too unlikly to be true, but go ahead and look. it doesn't happen. as much as it should. kinda makes me think that it might mean something.

Re: loose ends [message #999] Sun, 01 June 2003 11:15 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Doragoon wrote on Sat, 31 May 2003 02:26

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is it getting time for tuck to get another haircut?
If Tucker is in Cosmetology the haircuts are free, as the students can and do work on each other and it is all part of the class work


i didn't think they had gotten to hair yet? and if they did, i wouldn't be sure about trusting some of those students to but hair of actual people. i mean, jill, or kim? *shudder*


I don't think that WHEN Tuck gets hir hair cut is the issue. I think the more intriguing aspect of that is when the next hair cut happens, what sort of style and length will it be?

While a minor point, this could create an interesting place in the story while this gets sorted out.


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Re: loose ends [message #1002] Sun, 01 June 2003 15:42 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Janet wrote on Sun, 01 June 2003 10:15

Doragoon wrote on Sat, 31 May 2003 02:26

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is it getting time for tuck to get another haircut?
If Tucker is in Cosmetology the haircuts are free, as the students can and do work on each other and it is all part of the class work


i didn't think they had gotten to hair yet? and if they did, i wouldn't be sure about trusting some of those students to but hair of actual people. i mean, jill, or kim? *shudder*


I don't think that WHEN Tuck gets hir hair cut is the issue. I think the more intriguing aspect of that is when the next hair cut happens, what sort of style and length will it be?

While a minor point, this could create an interesting place in the story while this gets sorted out.


I agree it might be an interesting experience for Tucker/Valarie as she would be once again a test subject in her Cosmetology class at school but will the class learn that he is really a she before the haircut do you think ? who will let it slip out at school do you think ?


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Re: loose ends [message #1014] Wed, 04 June 2003 19:08 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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>>>There are a lot of things that havn't been brought up in the story recently with all the things that have been happening to Tuck and Mike and everything. I'd like to see what things people can come up with and what they think might come from these lost storylines. <<<

One that wasn't on the list: Jill's harmonica talent and Tuck's keyboard work/perfect pitch/(Valerie's) singing voice.

My -- probably everyone's -- original thought was that they were going to be drafted into Stepwise Pagoda eventually. But now I'm wondering if Tuck might take Jill with him (or vice versa -- Jill's family problems and troubled self-image seem to make her as good a potential runaway candidate as Tuck) if/when he bolts to the Laniers in New Orleans, with the two of them working as street musicians along the way.

(Which started me thinking along the lines of "Me and Bobby McGee", with Jill as "me" and Tuck as the androgynous Bobby. Then again, a diesel driver who picks up (as far as he can tell)two teenage girls very likely isn't thinking about music.)

Eric
Re: loose ends [message #1015] Wed, 04 June 2003 20:11 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Eric wrote on Thu, 05 June 2003 00:08

One that wasn't on the list: Jill's harmonica talent and Tuck's keyboard work/perfect pitch/(Valerie's) singing voice.

My -- probably everyone's -- original thought was that they were going to be drafted into Stepwise Pagoda eventually. But now I'm wondering if Tuck might take Jill with him (or vice versa -- Jill's family problems and troubled self-image seem to make her as good a potential runaway candidate as Tuck) if/when he bolts to the Laniers in New Orleans, with the two of them working as street musicians along the way.


Ooh, that's a good 'un. I *like* that idea. Smile


Rachel
Re: loose ends [message #1016] Thu, 05 June 2003 05:32 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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One that wasn't on the list: Jill's harmonica talent and Tuck's keyboard work/perfect pitch/(Valerie's) singing voice.


you forgot one very big detail.

kim is in band too. i'm not sure what she plays. but it was mentioned early on. latter tuck comented that kim is in choir and has an awsome voice. so the band coment was probably erronious.

so, if there's ever going to be a band i'd bet it would be tuck on synth, jill on harmonica and maybe some vocals, kim lead singer, and regina on drums and anything else they need. They would still need at least one guitarist, i'm not sure who they could get for that. especialy if they want to keep it all girl. Too bad they couldn't get jill's character to play with them... though the whole being a vampire thing might get in the way of stuff.
Re: loose ends [message #1026] Fri, 06 June 2003 04:47 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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>>>So far as I know, the only adult that knows that Tuck is both Eugene and Valerie is Principal Dobson. <<<

I wouldn't consider it significant, but I think he's been to Julia's house as both Tuck and Valerie, so Julia's parents may know. It's unlikely that they've ever heard the name Eugene Tucker, though, unless there was a formal introduction that we don't know about, or the girls gave his full name when they signed him up for the "support group".

Eric
Re: loose ends [message #1030] Fri, 06 June 2003 06:04 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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i hadn't really thought of it. but yes, julia's parents know that tuck is crossdressing. when the pack called them...

but i don't think anything will come of that, they wouldn't out tuck, tuck could out them, and they are the kind of people that could be really hurt by being outed, tuck would be hurt physicly, but they would be hurt finantialy and some of them have families to support.

same with dobson. he'd SO loose his job if he got outed.

but i do see him supporting tuck if anything happens at school.
Re: loose ends [message #1031] Fri, 06 June 2003 07:54 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Musical references for Kim have been inconsistent. In January, she answered affirmatively when Valerie asked if she was in the school band. In March, there was the comment Tuck made to Jack, about Kim having a great voice in the choir. And in August after school resumed, Kim said that she'd dropped orchestra the previous year for lack of time.

Kim's neurotic and possibly alcoholic, but I can't see her leaving town as readily as Tuck and Jill might.

(Re Regina, would they need a drum program if they were already using a synthesiser?)

Eric
Re: loose ends [message #1038] Mon, 09 June 2003 04:00 Go to previous message
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maybe kim is just really into music? she could actualy be a good singer and play a couple instruments. and is it too strange to think that a musician might have a drinking/drug problem.


and the synth might have rythem capabilities and be able to playback stuff. but how much memory could it have? if they have to do a 2 hour set, that would be a LOT of memory for a keyboard. not to mention the fact that he might be wanting to throw in a few more tracks, differant parts. who knows. and a computer would help keep everything streight. pluss it could handle the balance and maybe spectrum equilizer. depending on what kinda stuff he has on it. the computer could make things a lot better.

maybe we need to look up keyboards and try to find the exact model he has. that would help a lot to tell what he might need to flesh out a band.
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