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Chapters #19 and #20 are up! [message #6975] Thu, 15 September 2011 21:39 Go to next message
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What the title and topic description says!

I'll be back when I finish reading the latest!

--iWindoze

EDIT - #19 was hysterical, also some short looks back at the homefront with additional humor there. Pity poor Mike, it must be like an itch he just can't scratch. Also about the last bit at the end--can you truly forget THAT? Wow...

[Updated on: Thu, 15 September 2011 22:07]

Re: Chapters #19 and #20 are up! [message #6976] Thu, 15 September 2011 22:30 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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You read too fast; I just put that up!

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Re: Chapters #19 and #20 are up! [message #6977] Thu, 15 September 2011 22:42 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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LOL I am a fast reader.

Actually I sometimes really wish I wasn't because it makes me run through stuff too quickly. :'(

When it's really really good, the material is like an open vision and I forget my surroundings for a while and lose track of where I am.

#20 was good. Lots of setup and exposition, not so much reaction which is part of what made the previous chapter so much fun--seeing the pay off in the way tuck flummoxes the rest of the Seasons cast.

Glad to see a distinct lack of toppling over the stairs in these two chapters. Not so happy to see the return of the heaving shits. I used to get those so I know how uncomfortable they can be and have suffered through metamucil before so I know just how disgusting it is to force down. ::shudders::

EDIT: Oh and I know what Tuck wanted the pads for and YOU know what he wanted the pads for, but why hasn't Darla said anything to Jane about the incongruity? Also Can we expect the thought process about who actually needs pads to be a smoking gun in a later chapter?

--iWindoze

PS: Any chance of some new selections for Ellen's Select to hold me over? It's been a while since you posted some recommendations.

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Re: Chapters #19 and #20 are up! [message #6978] Fri, 16 September 2011 21:49 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Fun Chapters. Thank you Ellen.

CaroL
Re: Chapters #19 and #20 are up! [message #6986] Sat, 24 September 2011 11:50 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Yep thanks Ellen.

Jen
Re: Chapters #19 and #20 are up! [message #6989] Sat, 24 September 2011 16:11 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Good chapter as always, Ellen.
However, did I notice that Edith White is coming for a visit?

That's likely to be interesting, for a range of interesting from Valerie acquitting herself adequately, to Valerie explaining how she'd make light-up port-n-starboard earrings, to delivering something with a totally straight face that would outrage Edith and embarrass Jane, to something as mundane as Edith wearing perfume to which Tuck's allergic[0].

By the way, is Valerie going to mention spending a summer in Noo Yawk learning to cook?

[0] This is something about which the non-allergic have no awareness.
Re: Chapters #19 and #20 are up! [message #6990] Mon, 26 September 2011 20:19 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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So you're saying when the server was changed, it got crunched by the ASCII -> EBCDIC -> UNICODE conversion such that my post went blank, ... or that last 10 cm of mag tape got cut?

Rolling Eyes
lurker wrote on Thu, 13 October 2011 19:22

Erin Halfelven wrote on Fri, 30 September 2011 16:51

No. We changed servers and for some reason, a few messages disappeared.


Oh...
So you're saying when the server was changed, it got crunched by the ASCII -> EBCDIC -> UNICODE conversion such that my post went blank, ... or that last 10 cm of mag tape got cut?

Rolling Eyes


You forgot Baudot coding in there. Smile

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Re: Chapters #19 and #20 are up! [message #6991] Thu, 29 September 2011 09:53 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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hu, 13 October 2011 21:48


You forgot Baudot coding in there. Smile


As Tuck being my geek hero(ine) in a geek tragedy, I didn't expect the IT gods here to be that impractical. For Baudot coding to be cool you gotta use punched tape !

The standard for punched tape: http://www.polyomino.org.uk/computer/ECMA-10/ , one character consumes ~0.1". Doing the math, that's ~8' 6+"/Kb or 1616 mi/Gb of tape. Geez, imagine how many trees would have to be consumed if it were punched onto IBM cards - ahhh, those good old days in the basement computer lab at university interchanging 0 with O and going crazing debugging it.
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Re: Chapters #19 and #20 are up! [message #6992] Thu, 29 September 2011 23:35 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Is it just me, or the previous two messages were extremely laconic?

[Updated on: Thu, 29 September 2011 23:36]


Don't call me Shirley. You will surely make me surly.
Re: Chapters #19 and #20 are up! [message #6993] Fri, 30 September 2011 09:12 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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I didn't post that last one with my name on it.
Must be sunspots.
Re: Chapters #19 and #20 are up! [message #6994] Fri, 30 September 2011 16:14 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Sir Lee wrote on Thu, 29 September 2011 20:35

Is it just me, or the previous two messages were extremely laconic?


Looks likes my post was removed - I figured the powers that be felt my speculation about Val and Edith were subversive and removed them? Confused
Re: Chapters #19 and #20 are up! [message #6995] Fri, 30 September 2011 19:51 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Oh, if a binary monster munched lurker's post it must have munched mine, too.
Re: Chapters #19 and #20 are up! [message #6996] Fri, 30 September 2011 19:51 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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No. We changed servers and for some reason, a few messages disappeared.
Re: Chapters #19 and #20 are up! [message #7009] Thu, 13 October 2011 22:22 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Erin Halfelven wrote on Fri, 30 September 2011 16:51

No. We changed servers and for some reason, a few messages disappeared.


Oh...
So you're saying when the server was changed, it got crunched by the ASCII -> EBCDIC -> UNICODE conversion such that my post went blank, ... or that last 10 cm of mag tape got cut?

Rolling Eyes
Re: Chapters #19 and #20 are up! [message #7010] Fri, 14 October 2011 00:48 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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lurker wrote on Thu, 13 October 2011 19:22

Erin Halfelven wrote on Fri, 30 September 2011 16:51

No. We changed servers and for some reason, a few messages disappeared.


Oh...
So you're saying when the server was changed, it got crunched by the ASCII -> EBCDIC -> UNICODE conversion such that my post went blank, ... or that last 10 cm of mag tape got cut?

Rolling Eyes


You forgot Baudot coding in there. Smile

Re: Chapters #19 and #20 are up! [message #7011] Fri, 14 October 2011 18:43 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Brooke wrote on Thu, 13 October 2011 21:48


You forgot Baudot coding in there. Smile


As Tuck being my geek hero(ine) in a geek tragedy, I didn't expect the IT gods here to be that impractical. For Baudot coding to be cool you gotta use punched tape !

The standard for punched tape: http://www.polyomino.org.uk/computer/ECMA-10/ , one character consumes ~0.1". Doing the math, that's ~8' 6+"/Kb or 1616 mi/Gb of tape. Geez, imagine how many trees would have to be consumed if it were punched onto IBM cards - ahhh, those good old days in the basement computer lab at university interchanging 0 with O and going crazing debugging it.

However, losing the last 4' of the tape would be enough to kill my post -probably someone spilt some Mountain Dew on it and the tape disintegrated before it reached the reader?
Very Happy
Re: Chapters #19 and #20 are up! [message #7012] Sat, 15 October 2011 13:58 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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lurker wrote on Fri, 14 October 2011 15:43


Geez, imagine how many trees would have to be consumed if it were punched onto IBM cards - ahhh, those good old days in the basement computer lab at university interchanging 0 with O and going crazing debugging it.


The holes in either medium can be read to differentiate between 0 and O. Getting them mixed up is Your Own Fault Very Happy

(I learned to type in high school, then I started to use 029 keypunches, 3277 terminals and the original PC's keyboard. Now I kinda-sorta kludge it onto the screen.)
Re: Chapters #19 and #20 are up! [message #7014] Mon, 17 October 2011 10:04 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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"We just moved here," Doug admitted.
"Oh? Where from?" Valerie asked him.
"Denver. . . ."

Two major effects of moving from Denver to lower altitudes:
-much better cardiovascular conditioning from the higher partial pressure of oxygen plus the higher red blood cell count from adaptation to higher elevation (only lasts until the body adapts to the lower altitude), and
-water boils at about 203 degrees in Denver, making low-altitude boiling water about 5% hotter.
Re: Chapters #19 and #20 are up! [message #7015] Mon, 17 October 2011 17:47 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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mkemp wrote on Sat, 15 October 2011 10:58


The holes in either medium can be read to differentiate between 0 and O. Getting them mixed up is Your Own Fault Very Happy


Yep - you're right, it was my own fault - but in my defense, as with you, I learned to type while in high school. Only the typewriters I used and owned did not have a 1 or a 0, you had to use l (low case L) and O, respectively. Since typing was learned reflex conditioning, I'd never gotten the O for 0 reflex totally out of my system (the keys are adjacent!!!).

As for looking at the punch holes, my FORTRAN OR ASSEMBLY programs were hundreds of cards long - therefore, I just "went for it" and threw them into the reader iteratively and wait for results. The ink from the keypunch machines were rarely visible (public state university too cheap to replace ribbons during semester), that if you were to look at the top line of the cards, you'd have to hold them at an angle to see what character was actually embossed on the card (and you'd hope the listing from line printer from the results were visible as well) or as you indicated, look at the holes. But I needed to carry a square or some tool to verify the alignment locations of the holes to verify the position of the holes.

Thank goo for spell check!

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I guess you were lucky you didn't have such problems Smile


Re: Chapters #19 and #20 are up! [message #7016] Tue, 18 October 2011 12:06 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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lurker wrote on Mon, 17 October 2011 14:47

mkemp wrote on Sat, 15 October 2011 10:58


The holes in either medium can be read to differentiate between 0 and O. Getting them mixed up is Your Own Fault Very Happy


Yep - you're right, it was my own fault - but in my defense, as with you, I learned to type while in high school. Only the typewriters I used and owned did not have a 1 or a 0, you had to use l (low case L) and O, respectively. Since typing was learned reflex conditioning, I'd never gotten the O for 0 reflex totally out of my system (the keys are adjacent!!!).

As for looking at the punch holes, my FORTRAN OR ASSEMBLY programs were hundreds of cards long - therefore, I just "went for it" and threw them into the reader iteratively and wait for results. The ink from the keypunch machines were rarely visible (public state university too cheap to replace ribbons during semester), that if you were to look at the top line of the cards, you'd have to hold them at an angle to see what character was actually embossed on the card (and you'd hope the listing from line printer from the results were visible as well) or as you indicated, look at the holes. But I needed to carry a square or some tool to verify the alignment locations of the holes to verify the position of the holes.

Thank goo for spell check!

Sad

I guess you were lucky you didn't have such problems Smile



Yeah, I guess I was lucky while at uni because we had usable ribbons on the keypunches. I generated vast amounts of code whilst employed various places but we were always able to afford ribbons.

Did you draw diagonal lines on the top of your decks with Magic Markers? Did you have access to differently-colored cards for various purposes (EOF, JCL, etc.)? Ever mark the boxes of a 3-box deck 1/4, 2/4 and 4/4?
Re: Chapters #19 and #20 are up! [message #7017] Tue, 18 October 2011 22:39 Go to previous message
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mkemp wrote on Tue, 18 October 2011 09:06


Did you draw diagonal lines on the top of your decks with Magic Markers?

Yes. However, in Fortran (we're talking early 70's here) you numbered each line such that over time you'd have a lot of stripes on top of the deck when you do this... hey- I was an Engineering student, not a programmer! Also, ever drop the deck before you loaded it? Sad The number of times I ended up going to the card sorter and reordering the deck became comical. Smile

...mkemp then queried


Did you have access to differently-colored cards for various purposes (EOF, JCL, etc.)?

We were alloted a certain number of cards per class, if exceeded, it came out of our pockets - I forgot how much it cost back then.
When you got your box(es) of blank cards, you took what you got - so, no I couldn't get fancy to "color" code the deck.

...and mkemp finally asked ... :)


.....Ever mark the boxes of a 3-box deck 1/4, 2/4 and 4/4?

No. What's this? Was this an inside reference to the musical beat? You're missing three-quarter time Laughing
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