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#21 and #22 up [message #7053] Thu, 22 March 2012 18:10 Go to next message
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Not quite dead yet... though ... *sigh* Anyway.

Also, check out the T-shirt graphics in the gallery section.

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Re: #21 and #22 up [message #7054] Fri, 23 March 2012 00:01 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Woot! I've been worried about you.
Re: #21 and #22 up [message #7055] Sat, 24 March 2012 11:19 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Oh, &deity -- Valerie meets Edith White. Thanks, Ellen.

As I've said before:
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That's likely to be interesting, for a range of interesting from Valerie acquitting herself adequately, to Valerie explaining how she'd make light-up port-n-starboard earrings, to delivering something with a totally straight face that would outrage Edith and embarrass Jane, to something as mundane as Edith wearing perfume to which Tuck's allergic.



I'm eagerly awaiting the results.
Re: #21 and #22 up [message #7056] Sun, 25 March 2012 11:45 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Oh, and wouldn't this be darling for Valerie?

http://tinyurl.com/7c3us7j

"Hello Kitty Backpack with Ears in White"
Re: #21 and #22 up [message #7057] Thu, 05 April 2012 15:46 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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yay! Smile
Re: #21 and #22 up [message #7094] Sat, 02 June 2012 20:30 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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mkemp wrote on Sun, 25 March 2012 16:45

Oh, and wouldn't this be darling for Valerie?

http://tinyurl.com/7c3us7j

"Hello Kitty Backpack with Ears in White"


Hello Cthulhu might be more appropriate - but probably far too late for the story (webcomic started in 2003).

And yay for more chapters.

Jen
Re: #21 and #22 up [message #7098] Sun, 03 June 2012 15:18 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Some how I see tuck/val using something from northface (IDK if they were in business then...) or the like made for female long distance hikers who wanted to look feminine (colors etc) but still have something that is actually useful for carrying gear versus the hello kitty pack for kids.... Rolling Eyes
Re: #21 and #22 up [message #7101] Sat, 09 June 2012 02:23 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Anne wrote on Sun, 03 June 2012 14:18

Some how I see tuck/val using something from northface (IDK if they were in business then...) or the like made for female long distance hikers who wanted to look feminine (colors etc) but still have something that is actually useful for carrying gear versus the hello kitty pack for kids.... Rolling Eyes



Apparently Northface was founded in 1966, so yeah it could fit. Personally I'd imagine Val as more of a "South Butt" kind of girl, but considering the South Butt parody didn't start until 2007, that'd be a bit of a twonky unless Ellen decides to have it be something Tuck gets made up himself and which gets reinvented later?

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Re: #21 and #22 up [message #7109] Sat, 16 June 2012 16:22 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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I think in this case Val is a serious girl and she wants something that works! She isn't making any statement with her pack other than I don't trust you to not take my property (or medical supplies) from me.

On another note since Val is allergic to bee stings shouldn't she always carry a bee sting kit?
Re: #21 and #22 up [message #7111] Sat, 16 June 2012 22:59 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Anne wrote on Sat, 16 June 2012 17:22

On another note since Val is allergic to bee stings shouldn't she always carry a bee sting kit?


Well, according to chapter 104, Tu-Val carries quite an emergency kit around, including epi-pens.


Don't call me Shirley. You will surely make me surly.
Re: #21 and #22 up [message #7112] Mon, 18 June 2012 02:25 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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That's what I thought I recalled. So why didn't she have an antihistamine when she tangled with the horse?

On chapter 22 I quite agree with Val, What if Melissa asks about her computer(which she's bound to do!)when Val comes into the room?
Re: #21 and #22 up [message #7127] Thu, 19 July 2012 11:53 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Anne wrote on Mon, 18 June 2012 07:25

That's what I thought I recalled. So why didn't she have an antihistamine when she tangled with the horse?

Because Jane Thompson wasn't allowing Tucker to carry a backpack around the grounds at that point in the story.

Ellen

Re: #21 and #22 up [message #7132] Thu, 19 July 2012 17:44 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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I am wondering if/when Jane will realize Tuck's unique biology? Will she start worrying about any medical issues concerning Tuck?
Re: #21 and #22 up [message #7134] Fri, 20 July 2012 00:03 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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It's great to see you here Ellen! I also thought that Tuck was allergic to bee stings. If that is the case he should *always* have his epi pens in a pouch that he carries on his person. I know that my cousin always had his...
Re: #21 and #22 up [message #7168] Fri, 03 August 2012 02:27 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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What will Jane do now that she has an inkling about Tuck/Val's unique with him using feminine hygiene products?
Re: #21 and #22 up [message #7169] Fri, 03 August 2012 10:17 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Nothing; they were being used as wound dressings.
Re: #21 and #22 up [message #7170] Sat, 04 August 2012 01:27 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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I think you entirely failed to read the story. Jane asked Val about them. They are used as wound dressings in Val's case. Also I doubt that anyone outside of a physician or a very experienced nurse would notice much that was odd about Val except the gynocomastia.
Re: #21 and #22 up [message #7174] Sun, 05 August 2012 02:08 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Wonder if Jane is smart enough to take that information into consideration. And what if Tuck/Val has an accident that demands that medical intervention is needed? Arte/Diana had a heart attack, could Tuck pass out from exhaustion, forcing others to undo a corset and discovering his secret?
Re: #21 and #22 up [message #7175] Sun, 05 August 2012 05:00 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Rolling Eyes Why would anyone who loosened Val's corset see anything that they didn't expect? They would have to strip herm naked to see anything unusual. The bruising on the other hand from falling down the stairs could and probably would cause a great deal of problems to Jane.

Breasts? Outsiders (anyone but Jane) would expect breasts.
Re: #21 and #22 up [message #7176] Sun, 05 August 2012 17:51 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Jane would have Ken, Charlotte, Darryl, or Art to undo any corset and ready him for any emergency room trip [if needed] If they do a break down to relieve him of any constraining garments, they will 'see' his attributes and with his fore mention wound will more than likely give Jane the info to deduce things about Tuck and possibly lead her to make a few calls and possibly learn that Tuck is NOT supposed to be her student.
Re: #21 and #22 up [message #7177] Sun, 05 August 2012 21:59 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Ok, Jane et al see Val's breast development. So what? Marie has said that she believes this to be a case of gyocomastia. The most prominent cause of this is excess body fat. only an expert looking for a problem would tell them different

Val explained the feminine hygiene pads as wound dressing. It would seem unusual to me that they see anything they don't expect to see. If Jane et al are not looking for the undescended testes (and Val would have to be unconscious for them to undress her that far) they will not be noticed. Since to Jane et al in her house Val is really Eugene a late maturing boy they might still miss the fact of the undescended testes.

This would be especially true if they weren't used to dealing with boy children at the level of dressing them and undressing them completely. Not every boy has his testes descend on a permanent basis before puberty. Even a doctor might still dismiss the undescended testes as not out of the ordinary unless S/He sees Val's actual ID.

Remember that Dana, Tuck's pediatrician had dismissed this issue until she did the genetic workup on him.
Re: #21 and #22 up [message #7178] Mon, 06 August 2012 18:05 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Has he had any 'midnight emissions' like Charlie and other boys have when wearing the lingerie? It has been stated before that Jane uses such evidence collected when the linen is laundered as evidence of her ploys working. But then again, with Tuck's nightmares, there might not be any.
Re: #21 and #22 up [message #7179] Mon, 06 August 2012 20:18 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Rolling Eyes You really should read the story carefully.

stanman wrote on Mon, 06 August 2012 15:05

Has he had any 'midnight emissions' like Charlie and other boys have when wearing the lingerie? It has been stated before that Jane uses such evidence collected when the linen is laundered as evidence of her ploys working. But then again, with Tuck's nightmares, there might not be any.


According to Tuck no. However Marie thinks he has because he rinsed the underwear when he was purging because he was paranoid about being drugged.

If in the main saga Tuck is being honest he doesn't have them often. Nor does he masturbate (which is unusual in the extreme) at all. Even girls (as Jill noted) do occasionally masturbate (some more than others) when they feel horny.
Re: #21 and #22 up [message #7183] Tue, 07 August 2012 07:16 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Then would not Jane be suspicious?
Re: #21 and #22 up [message #7185] Wed, 08 August 2012 00:47 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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stanman wrote on Tue, 07 August 2012 04:16

Then would not Jane be suspicious?


Probably not for a while. After all Jane is far more worried that Val will simply disappear!

The psychological warfare aspects of accusing the boy in girl's clothes of being aroused by them and therefore wanting to wear them is one of the many reasons that I'm not overly fond of Jane
Re: #21 and #22 up [message #7190] Thu, 09 August 2012 03:57 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Wondering if Mike and De Boys as well a Debbie and the girls will show up?
Re: #21 and #22 up [message #7193] Thu, 09 August 2012 23:15 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Debbie is actually the most likely visitor for Val. In this Universe the breakup doesn't happen. If Debbie shows up too soon then Val is back to basically being Debbie's dress-up-doll.

Mike and Da boyzn will only show up if Tuck sends out an alert that he needs them (which will almost inevitably be too late...) and Tuck won't be very willing to do that as it would void his contract with his dad.
Re: #21 and #22 up [message #7196] Fri, 10 August 2012 17:37 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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But would Debbie visit with Mike as he'd probably know being linked to Tuck. And he has his car as well.
Re: #21 and #22 up [message #7199] Fri, 10 August 2012 23:24 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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stanman wrote on Fri, 10 August 2012 14:37

But would Debbie visit with Mike as he'd probably know being linked to Tuck. And he has his car as well.


Maybe. Then again, probably not. If Debbie comes to visit one of two scenarios will be in play.

1. Debbie needs a woodie fix and a dildo won't do... No Mike wanted or needed.

2. She's there with Mike to rescue Tuck.

In the first case Debbie comes alone and brings her car.

In the second case she probably brings Kathy in her car.

In either case since Debbie has her own car she will come in it so that she can take independent action as she deems necessary.
Re: #21 and #22 up [message #7202] Sat, 11 August 2012 00:36 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Nnnngh... you know, it's so hard to look at this exchange without giving spoilers from the No Longer Published Draft (and therefore incurring the Wrath of Ellen, which should be avoided at all costs)... and of course, Ellen might choose to take the story in a different direction... but I'll say this much: there's a clue in Ellen's site, if you can find it.

And yes, I'm evil.


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Re: #21 and #22 up [message #7203] Sat, 11 August 2012 02:38 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Sir Lee wrote on Fri, 10 August 2012 21:36

Nnnngh... you know, it's so hard to look at this exchange without giving spoilers from the No Longer Published Draft (and therefore incurring the Wrath of Ellen, which should be avoided at all costs)... and of course, Ellen might choose to take the story in a different direction... but I'll say this much: there's a clue in Ellen's site, if you can find it.

And yes, I'm evil.


I won't guess... Or will, that for some reason the whole crew Da Boyzen and The Pack come up to see Val doing something. The only problem I have with that is that Tuck was really trying hard to hide his femmy side before he went to Jane's and I can't think of a reason he'd want Da Boyzen to see him in the outfits that Jane demands.

Debbie on the other hand? Yes I do see Val or Tuck wanting to have Debbie see hir dressed to the nines.

My only wish is that my pence would get busy and multiply that I might share a few with Ellen.
Re: #21 and #22 up [message #7205] Sat, 11 August 2012 12:03 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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According to the fanfics, there is a Eugene Wallace that was supposed to be sent to Aunt Jane's while Eugene Wallace Tucker was sent to a boot camp, but there was a mix up. Will that be a part of the new Tucky Season?
Re: #21 and #22 up [message #7208] Sat, 11 August 2012 16:02 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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That, I expect is up to our esteemed authoress. Seriously I've never seen the version 1.0 Tucky Seasons but judging by Rachel's Tuck Squared yes there is/was.

Whether Ellen includes Val meeting him or not this time IDK.

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Re: #21 and #22 up [message #7211] Sun, 12 August 2012 03:59 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Me, I am waiting to see Val back at the beauty salon and the misadventure sure to ensue
Re: #21 and #22 up [message #7214] Sun, 12 August 2012 12:47 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Didn't Val already have a confrontation with Carol? I thought so during makeup class.
Re: #21 and #22 up [message #7217] Sun, 12 August 2012 17:53 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Yes, but seems time for Jane to send her there for another session in her 'keep them scared' way of things. Charlotte will not be a problem, and she could do it to see how much Val has improved.
Re: #21 and #22 up [message #7219] Sun, 12 August 2012 18:39 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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"Keep them scared" isn't going to work with Valerie because Jane can't expose one of her students as a boy in drag. To do so would expose her activities, something she can't risk.

This already came up during the makeup class.
Re: #21 and #22 up [message #7220] Sun, 12 August 2012 23:29 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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true, but it is the fear of the boys outing themselves or being outed is the key. Jane must remember that only a boy who has no fear of being outed, or spills the beans on her school has the ability to truly hurt Jane, unless the boy gets hurt and sent to the E.R. Unless she has a doctor on call with a clinic
Re: #21 and #22 up [message #7223] Mon, 13 August 2012 20:52 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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For most of Jane's boys the fear of being outed is enough of a behavior modification device. This didn't work on another boy who was certain he was a *girl* nor will it work on Val who has two things going for her.

First and foremost until the bruises (and they won't until she stops falling down the stairs) go away the number of bruises on Val's body would be a bad problem for Jane because even a tame doc would not normally pass them over (that is a doctor who worked exclusively for Jane) If the bruises are seen by members of the general public (like the makeup class) the girls will report them to their parents the fact that Val has them and a penis will make them look just that much worse since Val can at that point be assumed to be being forced to be Val rather than Tuck.

This means that CPS WILL be called. Possibly even an outside agency like the state bureau of investigations if someone suspects that Jane is able to influence people in the general public not to report her abuse of the boys.

The second thing Val has going for her is that she has had a crash course (under Debbie's tutelage) in advanced girl behavior. Jane may see the edges of Tuck because she's looking close. But Val knows most people will see no further than her clothes.
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And we know that ONE of her students went rogue, Failed Season – Lora's Story http://www.tigger-n-brandy.net/text_stories/failedseasonlorassto~01.html
Re: #21 and #22 up [message #7367] Sat, 20 October 2012 13:47 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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New T-shirt patterns that'd be a kick for Val to have printed:
http://wearscience.com/
Re: #21 and #22 up [message #7368] Sat, 20 October 2012 23:57 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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I don't know... They seemed off for Val. Maybe it's my interpretation but Val seems to go for mostly real stuff unless it has a fantasy element.
Re: #21 and #22 up [message #7369] Sun, 21 October 2012 00:27 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Click on the Monsters link at the top.
"Monsters of Grok" like Tesla, Hawking,
Alan Turing, Salk and Kepler.
Re: #21 and #22 up [message #7370] Sun, 21 October 2012 11:01 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Oh yeah I can see her wearing those. Where's the Pascal one and the Pavlov one though? I think she might wear some of the Critter ones too if she thought they'd irritate Jane. At least before she decides to work with Jane at least a little. Val is a practical gal!
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Anne wrote on Sun, 21 October 2012 13:01

Oh yeah I can see her wearing those. Where's the Pascal one and the Pavlov one though? I think she might wear some of the Critter ones too if she thought they'd irritate Jane. At least before she decides to work with Jane at least a little. Val is a practical gal!


Pascal is one of the last ones, in green lettering. I thought the Tesla/Edison one was particularly witty.


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Embarassed I see that now...
To be a bit weird it seems that Brinn, Heinlein, and Asimov all deserve to have tees though.
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And Jane would go postal in her own way if she saw Val wearing most any shirt/blouse promoting a movie or character that Tuck/Val liked.
Re: #21 and #22 up [message #7384] Wed, 31 October 2012 20:42 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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I think Jane dresses her 'girls' as femininely and as fussily as possible and yet remain plausible.

Thus since a T-shirt is not terribly feminine and definitely not fussy unless it is all gussied up with lace, etc. Then Jane would be upset about that issue. The fact that it had a 'strange' or otherwise 'objectionable' picture printed on it would just make the whole T-shirt issue worse in Jane's eyes. Since a good deal of her program seems to be antidisestablishmentarain or in other words her program is designed to make her 'girls' conform to polite society.
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Anne wrote on Wed, 31 October 2012 17:42

I think Jane dresses her 'girls' as femininely and as fussily as possible and yet remain plausible.


I think what we've seen of Jane's sartorial and behavioral predilection is to dress her 'girls' at least one standard deviation away from the mean - totally suited for snooty and entitled members of the Idle Rich Class. I think she's entirely aware of how far out of the mainstream this is and uses it to call attention to her students as a way of increasing the fear of discovery, plus it limits the amount of applicable knowledge a boy might have gathered from observation of family members, reading historical novels and the like.

I'm not sure if Valerie entertains much hope of actually wearing the shirts herself but they may represent trade goods for dealing with the native population, i.e. "the warden won't let me wear these but I can let you have 'em at my cost if you want."

Just my two Zorkmids' worth.
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Trade goods? Oh yes that is true, that way she can build a network of people to whom she could turn if things go badly again.

And maybe she will use them to tweak Jane's nose a little. But I think that she will obey both the letter and the spirit of the contract. After all Val instigated the contract and it would seem that for her to violate it would mean that she is an oathbreaker.
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Anne wrote on Fri, 02 November 2012 15:52

Trade goods? Oh yes that is true, that way she can build a network of people to whom she could turn if things go badly again.


I think it's more about building a circle of friends and acquaintances who exhibit the same interest in slightly geeky stuff. "If I'm gonna be here as a girl I might as well find out who the interesting ones are."
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If Jane dressed her girls in the shorts and miniskirts that other girls wear, there would be a greater chance of being discovered.
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stanman wrote on Thu, 15 November 2012 02:17

If Jane dressed her girls in the shorts and miniskirts that other girls wear, there would be a greater chance of being discovered.


Probably for the generic "Jane's girl," highly unlikely for Val. Remember the scene where Val modeled the blue bikini for Jane and Ken?
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Sorry to reply to you rather than to the OP, mkemp, but I've got OP on ignore.

In what world are shorts an miniskirts normal wear for everyday? Can I go there? Except, please, I don't want to wear them, I just wanna ... watch.

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Amy! wrote on Fri, 16 November 2012 01:18

In what world are shorts an miniskirts normal wear for everyday? Can I go there? Except, please, I don't want to wear them, I just wanna ... watch.

Well, here in Brazil they are very, very common among the young females, particularly teens, in warm weather. The more liberal schools even allow them at class.
Males do suffer more in the heat, but I remember going to college in bermuda shorts. Only a couple old-fogey professors insisted on long trousers.
So, the answer to your question is "right here in this world, only in a hotter and less stuffy part of it."

I don't know how things are in Rhode Island (or, more accurately, how things were in 1997), but the story DOES happen during summer... so I expect lots of teens would take advantage of the warm weather. So shorts/miniskirts would rate as more "normal" girl's clothing than whatever Jane makes her students wear.


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I think that Jane would not allow shorts because for most of her 'girls' they would blow the gig.

Mini skirts? Not so much but then the whole purpose of the course is to make the boy as uncomfortable as possible. Thus jeans, shorts or anything that could normally be considered even remotely masculine is verboten.

The dresses (especially the fussy ones) serve as a reminder to the student to act the part that the dress portrays.
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what about a cheerleader outfit , skate dress, or tennis dress? all three would be a pain for her boys to wear.
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Not fussy enough, plus I don't think they'd provide enough concealment. Remember, Val's physiology lets her present as much more of a female than Jane's other victims, er, students.
Re: #21 and #22 up [message #7415] Fri, 30 November 2012 12:24 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Anne  is currently offline Anne
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Exactly why I said I didn't think so about minis. For a teen boy to pass as a girl he has to have curves added. Those additions have to be concealed. The fussy dresses either have pettis or can other wise simulate or hide artificial curves (bust and butt pads) in ways that shorts and miniskirts cannot.

Thus most of Jane's 'girls' need to wear clothes that are more concealing than the normal girls around them. Dressing them in 'formal' or near 'formal' wear only makes them more visible. Which is the intention. Jane wants them to modify their behavior and be able at the end of the time she has them to keep that behavior modification up.
Re: #21 and #22 up [message #7424] Sat, 15 December 2012 09:18 Go to previous messageGo to previous message
stanman  is currently offline stanman
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true, but if her girls were presented as 10-12, not yet entering puberty, it could work. and in one story, a girl was dress in leotard n hose as a magician assistant. and she has sent them to dance class.
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