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Main series vs Seasons? [message #7339] Fri, 21 September 2012 14:35 Go to next message
TG  is currently offline TG
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Hey, so relatively new here.

I've been following Tucker for years and years now, but I've been absent from downloading recent chapters because I've sort of been waiting for more from the main series.

Just recently I visited Ellen's page to see that it's now been three years since work was done on the main series, and I've realized I've missed it.

So, does anyone know when Ellen might go back to work on it? I seem to have a recollection of her needing to map things out, or things being too complicated in the main series for her to easily write new chapters. Is that why it was put in hibernation?

I realize Ellen also really wanted to edit the Seasons stories, and that's why the focus has been on them ever since. I've not read any of the edited series, so I'm not sure if she's still editing the old drafts or started writing new stuff. I only got a certain way with the old drafts before the editing began, so I forget if I read up to the end of what she'd done or left them midway.

Well, this is getting a bit long, so I'll summarize this by asking... Anyone know vaguely what's happening with both series? And how long might Ellen continue to work on Seasons in preference over the main series?

Any info would be appreciated.
Re: Main series vs Seasons? [message #7340] Sun, 23 September 2012 10:07 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Anne  is currently offline Anne
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First: Hello and welcome to the forum. Don't be a stranger or a lurker, (join a discussion...) but get to know who and what is here. If you ask a question that has been asked before so what! That probably means it would be a good idea to refresh our interest in the story.

Second:Unless Ellen answers you we have no firm answers on her timeline for the stories. That having been said, I believe the best encouragement we can offer her to continue to write is to donate to her if we have some money to give. After all we've been entertained mightily by her writing.
Re: Main series vs Seasons? [message #7342] Sun, 23 September 2012 19:39 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Well, she has been posting a new Tucky Seasons. Maybe she will continue Tuck when Tucky Seasons completed
Re: Main series vs Seasons? [message #7346] Tue, 25 September 2012 05:06 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Haha, I wondered if this topic would get a response or not. I'm glad this slow board isn't actually frozen stiff. Smile

As I said before, even though I've visited this board a few times in the past, it wasn't until recently that I considered contributing to the discussion. I'm reading something else at the moment, but I intend to go back to read through Tuck again, maybe I'll start the Seasons version. I used to discuss things directly with Ellen but I gather she's not much interested in processing email right now. So, I haven't and won't try that until I come across something that makes me want to search for answers.

As, as a side note, it's really only Tuck and Tucker's delightful little universe that has inspired me to make real contact with an author. As I wrote this, it makes me feel I've been missing out, actually.

So, thanks for the responses. I'll try to slip back into all-things Tuck and see how we go.

BTW, Anne, can you tell me why Tuck still hasn't been self-published yet, given the tools available for that these days? Is it because Ellen didn't really agree to a format in the end and it was just put aside?

Well, it's probably quite hard to speak for Ellen, so maybe that's a question I should broach a bit later.

I may come back and join discussions. See you then, if I do, OK?
Re: Main series vs Seasons? [message #7347] Tue, 25 September 2012 22:19 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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TG wrote on Tue, 25 September 2012 02:06



BTW, Anne, can you tell me why Tuck still hasn't been self-published yet, given the tools available for that these days? Is it because Ellen didn't really agree to a format in the end and it was just put aside?

Well, it's probably quite hard to speak for Ellen, so maybe that's a question I should broach a bit later.

I may come back and join discussions. See you then, if I do, OK?


Anything I offer will be a Wild Ass Guess hereafter a WAG... Twisted Evil )So with that said my best WAG is that it is a lot of work. Also all self publishers are self financiers and from what I can gather Ellen is having trouble with the wolf at her door.... Sad Which is why I said the best encouragement anyone can offer her is money.

Another WAG is that she may not wish to put in the effort to prepare her manuscript for publication as most places want the file as a PDF (By Adobe no less) which at minimum would require her to spend time to format to their specifications.

I'm not a geekett. Indeed I'm mostly a lazy Windozer... Still I use OO 'cause I'm cheap (but not if you want to date me!) and free is better than what I have to buy. And the computer I'm using I bought used for $100 (I'm sure I over paid...) with Win XP loaded...

I don't want to take the time to learn the command structure for Linux and if I use a Linux GUI then... Well I guess I'm still basically a lazy Windozer.

All of the above is to note that from what I can tell most POD (Print On Demand) companies are allergic to anything that doesn't cost an arm and a leg... An' like Val said I used to sang th' blues 'cause I had no shoes.

Well some have no shoes, and some have no feet, and some have no legs. We all have our own mountains to climb as it were.
Re: Main series vs Seasons? [message #7355] Fri, 05 October 2012 01:55 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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My understanding from listening to author podcasts, is that most of the publishing formats (like the Kindle) take HTML input as the source file. So it's not really an expensive proposition, any text editor (even VI) will do the job.

On the other hand, there is a fair amount of work in deciding how to split the Tucker oeuvre into individual books and the rewriting and editing to make stand alone books.

On the gripping hand...(OK, I just wanted to use that line)!

Laughing
Re: Main series vs Seasons? [message #7356] Fri, 05 October 2012 10:50 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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I think (and this is just another WAG) that Ellen has some personal bias against Amazon. Not the least of which is that if she continues to offer the story for free here that they will not let her charge for it there.

This is without regard to the fact that there is at least some work involved in formatting it to their specifications. To get a paper book (what I and others would like) is quite a bit more complicated. I read the SOL (Stories On Line) forum and follow some of the discussions that have happened there over the issue of getting published (even through a POD company like LuLu or Infinity where you pay for your books at a terrific rate!) is a struggle of formatting (they do not accept html) and then actually receiving the books. Add to that the issue of maintaining an isbn through one of them so that they will print and send a book to your customer and things get beyond dicey.
Re: Main series vs Seasons? [message #7359] Fri, 05 October 2012 22:12 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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I understand that POD require a ready-to-print PDF.
Not any old PDF either, but one that follows some specific specifications. OK, most of those are probably just practical considerations (format has to fit their equipment, fonts chosen have to be available, images have to be high-res so the result doesn't look like crap...), but according to a posting by Ellen, they insist in a PDF generated by Adobe software instead of the free alternatives. Which, to anybody who knows Ellen, is sorta deal-breaker.

Distributing in electronic format may be actually easier, if you have a good HTML-formatted version to start with. Then you can use free software, like Sigil and Calibre, to convert it to an e-book format. I use ePub, but I understand that Calibre can convert it to .mobi for use on a Kindle too.

(Yes, converting a long work like Tuck to HTML is a pain in the ass. But I did it for my reading copy(*), partly as an exercise in learning CSS, and I made it available to Ellen if she wants to do something with it. I doubt I'm the only one who did the conversion; so she might even have several ones to choose from.)

Distributing, though, is the hard part. Oh, she could just made the .epub files available on her site, like Cat Tales do... but the idea is for Ellen to make some money out of it, isn't it? So you need a sales channel. The best ones, like Amazon and iTunes have those annoying restrictions, like "no distributing it for free elsewhere."

(*) Don't even try asking for a copy; Ellen is pretty firm about "no redistributing her work in a changed format, without her PGP signature." So I won't.


Don't call me Shirley. You will surely make me surly.
Re: Main series vs Seasons? [message #7362] Sat, 06 October 2012 01:42 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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At first, The Saga of Tuck was posted at Erin's site in html, but later chapters have you go to Ellen's site tp read.
Re: Main series vs Seasons? [message #7363] Sun, 07 October 2012 00:02 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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I remember that. There was some friction about it because, well, converting to HTML kills the PGP signature, and Ellen is pretty adamant about keeping the digital signature valid. Eventually she withdrew permission for Erin to reformat the stories, and since Erin does not like posting plaintext, that was the end of Tuck at BigCloset.


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Re: Main series vs Seasons? [message #7364] Tue, 16 October 2012 05:41 Go to previous message
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Well, Erin has a link and title for any chapters of 'TUCK' and the fanfics as well
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