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1) Live life as a man
2) Live life as a woman

IMO both options will require a formal Transition since Tucker's gender is currently a matter of opinion

Arrow BTW Ellen posted a note today (Thanksgiving Day 2003) on her website in which she referrs to Tucker as he
I still think the "Little selfish brat" (her words) is a grrl

[Updated on: Mon, 13 October 2003 13:14]

Re: Tucker's choice [message #1303] Mon, 13 October 2003 17:02 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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You are Canadian, aren't you? Smile Happy Thanksgiving!

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Re: Tucker's choice [message #1306] Tue, 14 October 2003 23:42 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Whatever choice it is remains up to Tuck, no matter what we might think. I'm not even sure Ellen has that much say in the matter at this point. Smile
Re: Tucker's choice [message #1310] Wed, 15 October 2003 03:22 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Mike the Younger wrote on Mon, 13 October 2003 10:11

1) Live life as a man
2) Live life as a woman



Trouble is, those aren't the only options.
3) Don't make a decision; keep postponing things until there's essentially a female body and mind with a driver's license that says Eugene Wallace Tucker. Not exactly a satisfactory outcome, put that way, but different from "live life as a man" and "live life as a woman". (You could come up with a positive spin on it: "transcend gender roles -- agree with Rachel's Valerie that there's nothing wrong with you, but don't worry about transitioning; just live as you are.") Of course, living ambiguously in a world that demands Mike the Younger's choice doesn't figure to be easy or fun. But neither is making the wrong decision and living with it afterwards.

4) Stop living. (Ellen, as you may remember, didn't guarantee a happy ending.) I don't think a lonely suicide is in order any more; too many people care about Tuck. But if Tuck decides that he'll never be able to solve his dilemma, he'd be quite capable of arranging a fatal accident.
Re: Tucker's choice [message #1311] Wed, 15 October 2003 11:54 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Good points.

As for Ellen saying there is no guarantee of a happy ending, I think that's an expression of Ellen's awareness of how many ways this can go wrong. While I believe she has this story broadly planned, I don't think she's got it detailed to the last twist of plot.

In other words, if a sad ending looks like a better story....
Re: Tucker's choice [message #3672] Sat, 11 June 2005 20:37 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Mike the Younger wrote on Mon, 13 October 2003 10:11

1) Live life as a man
2) Live life as a woman

IMO both options will require a formal Transition since Tucker's gender is currently a matter of opinion

Arrow BTW Ellen posted a note today (Thanksgiving Day 2003) on her website in which she referrs to Tucker as he
I still think the "Little selfish brat" (her words) is a grrl


I decided to stick this here rather than start a new thread. This does kinda fit after all.

*physically/medically* he has several choices.
Tucker can try to live as a man. Which will require a lot of shots. Ones much worse than the immunizations and allergy shots he's already getting. I've got a close friend who is an FtM TS, and he hates his T shots with a passion.

It'll also require surgery. Breast reduction, possibly something with the hips, and removal of both that "mass" and the ovary.

Or, he can not have surgery, except for the removal of the mass. This would leave him as a "female" with a penis and scrotum, but no vagina.

Or he can opt for gender reassignment to female. Again, the mass gets removed, but he'd also have to have the penis reconstructed into a clitoris and a vagina constructed.

That's the *medical* side of things. M, IS, or F.

Legally, he's currently male. He could change that to female if he went with the F choice from above and possibly even if he went with the IS choice.

I'm not sure how long he could stay legally male if he went with the IS choice given the way his body is changing. At some point the hassles will get to be too much unless he takes extraordinary steps.

Finally, he *might* be able to get his legal gender declared "other". I've heard of ir being done *once*. But this would involve a lot of legal hassles.

Frankly, no matter what choice Tuck makes, he's going to have to do things he won't like.

I suspect that in the long run, he'd get the fewest hassles by legally becoming a female but chosing the "IS" medical option. He could argue for it based on his genes and possion of an ovary.

BTW, in two years it's going to be interesting when Tuck has to register for the draft. Which he will unless the state he was born in allows changing the sex on birth certificates. Smile

Psychologically, no matter what he chooses, he's going to have a hard time of it. Because he is going to have to admit that he *can't* have kids, and probably won't be seen as male without a lot more surgery than he wants. But he can't be female without other changes he won't like. And staying in the middle wil *still* involve a lot of uncomfortable stuff.

I don't think he can "win". At best, he can minimize his losses.

[Updated on: Sat, 11 June 2005 20:38]

Re: Tucker's choice [message #3683] Sun, 12 June 2005 03:00 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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This evening, coincidently, Discovery Channel replayed "Is It a Boy or Is It a Girl". There was an IS advocacy group who preferred that as long as the condition of the patient was non-life threatening, to do nothing to assign gender to a child until the child is able to give consent.
It is quite possible that Tuck's choice is to do nothing.
Re: Tucker's choice [message #3725] Tue, 14 June 2005 12:39 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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You didn't say (and I didn't watch the show), but I hope you meant, or they meant, INFORMED CONSENT. I.e., the child has thought about it with a relatively mature brain & mind. It's waaaayyyyy too damned easy to get a twelve-year old to do one thing or another... as I'm sure some of us remember.

Of course, leaving things ambiguous bugs the SHIT out of a lot of people, including doctors, and leaving it ambiguous for nearly two decades may well feel intolerable. I say, "Tough shitskis. If it's not your life and your genitalia, then shut up."

However, these are my views, not necessarily those of my characters. *grin*


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Re: Tucker's choice [message #3734] Tue, 14 June 2005 21:28 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Yeah, well doctors need to get shaken out of that god complex occasionally.

And a couple of links of interest:

http://www.livejournal.com/users/angry_biscuit/465487.html

http://ai.eecs.umich.edu/people/conway/TS/TS-II.html#anchor635615

Going by the figures in the second link, McAllen likely has several other students with "problems" that most folks would lump in with Tuck's.
Re: Tucker's choice [message #5760] Mon, 19 May 2008 19:53 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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If Tuck becomes Valerie, Tuck can simply start living as Valerie. It is up to Ellen if Valerie has surgery. As for Tuck going male, we have Tuck Squared to look at as what may happen. But Tuck can simply be Tuck. Tuck might like having two identities.
Re: Tucker's choice [message #5764] Wed, 21 May 2008 04:00 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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stanman wrote on Mon, 19 May 2008 16:53

If Tuck becomes Valerie, Tuck can simply start living as Valerie. It is up to Ellen if Valerie has surgery. As for Tuck going male, we have Tuck Squared to look at as what may happen. But Tuck can simply be Tuck. Tuck might like having two identities.


Alas, even now it's not *nearly* that easy.

For the Valerie option, Tuck would have to use the laws (such as they are) used by TSes transitioning.

Getting the birth certificate revised wouldn't be too hard (as I recall, NY is one of the better states bout that).

But some states (including Ohio) maintain that for things like marriage, you are the sex that was on your *original* birth certificate.

The fact that Tuck isn't a genetic male could easily be ignored by any judge that didn't like him.

Plus, way too many folks would go for the "he's been a boy he's *changing* to a girl. This is wrong" bit, *regardless* of his biology.

Bigots aren't real strong on logic, y'know.

Re: Tucker's choice [message #5766] Wed, 21 May 2008 05:04 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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stanman wrote on Mon, 19 May 2008 16:53

As for Tuck going male, we have Tuck Squared to look at as what may happen.

The operative word there is "may". T^2 was Rachel's extrapolation, not Ellen's; testosterone shots won't necessarily make Tuck lose control to a greater or even an equal degree to what the natural estrogen in his system may be doing to him now.

At the other end of the spectrum, Erin brings up the possibility that Tuck is androgen-insensitive and may have no reaction at all to testosterone shots if/when he gets them.

In another thread here (the comments about Chapter 1 of Rachel's Nathan story, I think), I describe an alternate Tuck ("Tucker") who dated Ellen into the summer, never got romantically involved with Debbie, never crossdressed, didn't learn of his body's feminization until April, and (having had no reason to think twice about the matter, other than his past problems with doctors and hospitals) took immediate medical steps to correct the situation, which worked fine. (Not much of a character there to write a story around, but he makes for an interesting contrast if he's thrust into the world of Rachel's Val-1 the way Valerie-2 was.)

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Re: Tucker's choice [message #5768] Thu, 22 May 2008 03:29 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Currently, Tuck is not well, having to carry around that oxygen tank and stuff. Will Ellen have tuck get better so that he has no asthma attacks? Will that mass in Tuck become cancerous? Will they ever find the doctors that operated upon infant Tuck?
Re: Tucker's choice [message #5769] Thu, 22 May 2008 04:54 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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stanman wrote on Thu, 22 May 2008 00:29

Currently, Tuck is not well, having to carry around that oxygen tank and stuff. Will Ellen have tuck get better so that he has no asthma attacks? Will that mass in Tuck become cancerous? Will they ever find the doctors that operated upon infant Tuck?



Well, no more asthma attacks is apt to be a "mostly ok" rather than a "cured" simply due to the way asthma works I'm 53 and I *still* get the occasional attack (fortunately an inhaler does just fine)

As for the doctors that operated on Tuck as an infant?

Sad to say, that sort of thing was *routine* back then. And there are folks trying to end it *now*. These days they at least tell the parents. And then try to intimidate them into authorizing "corrective" surgery.

So the odds are against any legal actions being viable.

Extralegal actions on the other hand...

Hmm. Has there been any mention of Amy having periods? If not, she might have AIS.
Re: Tucker's choice [message #5774] Thu, 22 May 2008 23:28 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Does Susan have periods? And is brian like Tuck?
Re: Tucker's choice [message #5775] Fri, 23 May 2008 00:29 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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stanman wrote on Fri, 23 May 2008 00:28

Does Susan have periods? And is brian like Tuck?


I think I remember something (probably in the April episodes with non-Tuck POV) about Susan having had to have an *abortion*. So she's fertile. And anyway, periods are a pretty big thing in a teenage girl's life -- SOMEBODY (herself, her mother, Dana, even her friends) was bound to find it odd if she didn't menstruate.

As for Brian... well, he's already bigger and stronger then Tuck. So apparently he has a normal level of testosterone in his blood. Also, Tuck has a very rare situation: mosaicism 47,XXY/46,XX with characteristics resembling Klinefelter's syndrome. From this Wikipedia article, apparently only about 10 cases have been documented. Two in the same family would be highly unlikely.

But Brian (and, for that matter, Susan) may have some related, "simpler" genetic abnormality -- that's why all the family members are being tested.

[Updated on: Fri, 23 May 2008 00:52]


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Re: Tucker's choice [message #5787] Sat, 24 May 2008 19:03 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Sir Lee wrote on Thu, 22 May 2008 21:29



I think I remember something (probably in the April episodes with non-Tuck POV) about Susan having had to have an *abortion*.


It's implied that it was the result of the rape by Carlo, and that she was receiving some kind of state aid.

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Re: Tucker's choice [message #5797] Fri, 30 May 2008 02:33 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Then if Tuck has no male reproductive organs, how can he have sex as a guy and can he have a stiffie? Does that mean that he need not wear any protection to guard against impregnating?
Re: Tucker's choice [message #5800] Sat, 31 May 2008 03:12 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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stanman wrote on Thu, 29 May 2008 23:33

Then if Tuck has no male reproductive organs, how can he have sex as a guy and can he have a stiffie? Does that mean that he need not wear any protection to guard against impregnating?


Re-read the "lecture" about Tuck's medical oddities.

He has a penis (or perhaps a *very* hypertrophied clitoris). The urethra runs thru it in the "normal" matter, but it may not have started out there (a common genital defect has the urethra not going thru the penis or opening part way up).

He's got a scrotum.

Re: Tucker's choice [message #5803] Tue, 03 June 2008 20:08 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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I am wondering why Debbie never noticed that Tuck had no testes. did he have some sort of sack that looked like it?
Re: Tucker's choice [message #5807] Tue, 03 June 2008 23:29 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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stanman wrote on Tue, 03 June 2008 20:08

I am wondering why Debbie never noticed that Tuck had no testes. did he have some sort of sack that looked like it?


Why d'you think she didn't?

Keep in mind that a vast majority of the story is written from Tuck's point of view. Back all that time ago, he believed Debbie when she said he was larger than average. Given what we know now, it's likely that she lied. If she noticed, perhaps she deliberately avoided mentioning it. She has, we know, issues resulting from child sexual abuse, and consequent difficulties trusting men (or else, perhaps, clearer vision than the deluded masses, but saying that would be provocative and uncalled for, so I guess I shouldn't say that).

Mind, Debbie was also the first to be concerned when Tuck began to develop breast tissue.

Finally: testes are balls, the sack bit is the scrotum. Tuck's got an apparent scrotum, which may be "fused labia" (given Tuck's chimerical nature, use of any terms that distinguish between male and female full-formed genitalia is potentially misleading), may be (more) surgical intervention at birth, or may be something else. There are two loci, visible on the scans, that correspond to tissue that in most births differentiates into testis or ovary. No information was supplied as to the presence/absence of a vaginal canal, though the lack of a uterus was, I believe, mentioned. Neither was there any discussion (that I can recall) on the presence of Mullerian or Wolffian bodies; presumably the investigation wasn't at that level of detail.

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Re: Tucker's choice [message #5809] Thu, 05 June 2008 03:59 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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stanman wrote on Tue, 03 June 2008 17:08

I am wondering why Debbie never noticed that Tuck had no testes. did he have some sort of sack that looked like it?


Again, please go back and read the description of Tuck's anatomy when his mother gives the "lecture".
Re: Tucker's choice [message #5871] Wed, 25 June 2008 00:25 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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I wonder what career Tuck will choose? He has the skills that he learned from his Dad and his cooking skills as well has hid baby sitting skills, would he choose any of those or do something different?
Re: Tucker's choice [message #5872] Wed, 25 June 2008 09:52 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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"Babysitting" is not usually considered as a long-term career choice. Unless you do it as a business -- the way Debbie is doing: she does not babysit herself, she hires teens to do it. Not Tuck's thing. There are careers that are close, sure -- like kindergarten teacher. But somehow, I can't see Valerie doing that.

More realistically, Tuck/Val has a few known, more marketable skills:

1. Computer programmer: the most obvious choice. Tuck is DAMN GOOD at it, enjoys it, and would probably make good money at it. It's a kind of job where he could be Tuck, or Val, and as long as s?he turned good code few people would mind.
2. Cooking: Yes, it's possible that Tuck might decide to go the chef career. But it's a lot of sweaty work, particularly in the beginning -- not exactly his preferred thing, not as a full-time job. He likes cooking, but complains about the hard work related to cooking for a big crowd. A restaurant would hardly be easier. Also, I hear kitchen people aren't the most unprejudiced -- and harassing Tuck around sharp objects is not a good idea. It's likely he wouldn't last long in a job... if he doesn't land in jail.
3. Music: more likely a career for Val. However, as many aspiring musicians will tell you (including Stepwise Pagoda), making good money is not exactly easy.
4. Hairdressing: he's studying for it, isn't he?

My take? Tuck (or Val) WILL eventually do the Computer Science track -- with hairdressing as a fallback / job to help pay college, until he begins making some real money with programming. Cooking and music will remain as hobbies.


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Re: Tucker's choice [message #5873] Wed, 25 June 2008 22:33 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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[quote My take? Tuck (or Val) WILL eventually do the Computer Science track -- with hairdressing as a fallback / job to help pay college, until he begins making some real money with programming. Cooking and music will remain as hobbies.[/quote]
I quite agree Sir Lee, but what about if Tuck teams up with Mike? Would the choices be different considering his skills and friendship with Tuck? He seems to read Tuck like a book. Would Mike join Tuck or would they form a partnership under the banner of D& E Enterprises?
Re: Tucker's choice [message #5889] Mon, 07 July 2008 01:11 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Sir Lee wrote on Wed, 25 June 2008 14:52

like kindergarten teacher. But somehow, I can't see Valerie doing that.


*laughs and laughs and laughs*

Oooh, "Kindergarten Cop" CUBED!


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Re: Tucker's choice [message #5896] Mon, 07 July 2008 19:44 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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On the subject of what Mike will do later in life... somehow I have always seen him being recruited/blackmailed into government service (or SERVICE, for those who know my fanfics and/or The Wotchiverse material they are partly based on - yes, I know it's originally fron Triquetra Cats, but TC is canon Wotch alt-future and SERVICE has since been incorporated into the main series). MIB Mike would be the second scariest person around - the scariest being Debbie as a government contractor doing 'special assignments' when not running her own corporate empire. Do You Believe That?TM

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Re: Tucker's choice [message #5921] Sun, 13 July 2008 19:49 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Yes, Amy has periods, as noted in the camping episodes. She had one prior to her return to New York.
Re: Tucker's choice [message #5922] Mon, 14 July 2008 19:29 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Amy! wrote on Tue, 03 June 2008 20:29


Keep in mind that a vast majority of the story is written from Tuck's point of view. Back all that time ago, he believed Debbie when she said he was larger than average. Given what we know now, it's likely that she lied.

Amy!



It's not like it was the only time she lied to him, either. Go back and recheck the first makeup demo and you'll see that Tuck's 30% of gross went to 30% of gross profit to 30% of net profit.

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Re: Tucker's choice [message #6197] Wed, 25 March 2009 14:38 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Tuck is Tuck!

Yes his bones are female which is not related to his having an ovary which could be functional. Modern science allows the removal of genes from a female to be used to fertilize an egg from another female, so if Tuck "marries" a woman they could "conceivably" have children (no pun intended).

Tuck seems to enjoy and have sex well with women (Debbie, Jill, Pam) and recent studies have shown that physiologically, vaginal penetrative sex is a thousand times more fulfilling than any other form including anal. Tuck still considers himself male, in spite of his breasts, bone structure, and his practically second nature female personality traits. So, he could decide that hetero-sex is better than homo-sex, though the issue can be clouded by true love issues, and Gender Identity problems.

I hope Tuck rejects the testosterone shots. Hormones seriously affect brain chemistry. Alterations from the norm will cause serious depression. And beard hair will seriously affect his ability to pass as Val. I think Tuck Needs Val as much as twins need each other. Elvis always lamented the loss of his twin. Would he have shared identities in order to have him always present. Since Tuck is a Chimera, is Val the twin sis he has always needed. Seriously, could Tuck ever be just Tuck and say goodbye to Val forever? I don't think so! Tuck really has multiple personalities. We know about Val, is there another in there somewhere? Possible source of nightmares?

Standing out makes Tuck vulnerable (no to stardom). But Tuck still craves acceptance which he gets from society as Val. So I think that Tuck will continue to be male, but at some point will decide to live socially as Val. Best of both worlds, though lots of room for problems.

Tu-Val and Pam forever! Yaaaaaaaah. (I know it will never happen, but one can always hope)

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Re: Tucker's choice [message #6200] Wed, 25 March 2009 21:48 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Well, according to Rachel Greenham's Fan Fic [Tuck Squared] based on Ellen's Tucky Season, Tuck went to Aunt Jane's and returned as Val, but another Tuck went to boot camp and took the shots that drove him batty. It took Val to heal Tuck and bring out Valerie. Val went to stay with Aunt Jane since she a visitor from another world.
Re: Tucker's choice [message #6202] Wed, 25 March 2009 22:10 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Those are two parallel-Earth Tucks, let's call them "Tuck-1" and "Tuck-2". One took the shots, one didn't. Which ends up meaning absolutely NOTHING about the main one, "Tuck-0" -- who didn't go to either the boot camp OR Aunt Jane's, but instead went to the convention with Debbie and ended up breaking up with her.


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Jesi wrote on Wed, 25 March 2009 11:38

I hope Tuck rejects the testosterone shots. Hormones seriously affect brain chemistry. Alterations from the norm will cause serious depression.


However Tuck is apt to get depression because his current hormones are out of whack...

As for T, I was prescribed it for a while (back when I still had medical coverage). I gave up on the shots because I was getting the "'roid rage" effect.

I'd rather risk the effects of not having (significant) hormones than go thru that.

I suspect Tuck wouldn't like it either.
Re: Tucker's choice [message #6253] Mon, 04 May 2009 11:42 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Tuck should become a "secret agent." He and Mike would make a great team. Mike becomes a combat and explosives specialist. And Tuck becomes computer/undercover specialist. This would open a world of possible story-lines for the future of Tuck.

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IIRC Susan implies that this happened after she left home. At least that is the way I read the story. Carlo happened before she left home as the whole family is upset about it.

Tuck can in some ways continue to live as a 'boy' but it is going to get much more difficult as his father notes near the end of the existing story since when he's not wearing armor her breasts are evident...

There is no such thing as not making a choice...!
Re: Tucker's choice [message #7102] Sat, 09 June 2012 04:41 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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As is, Tuck might need to start wearing a sports bra or compression vest to camouflage the feminine attributes unless Val is desired.

But will the unique body chemistry accept or reject any form of hormonal therapy? The body of Tuck/Val might choose to morph into a masculine or feminine genotype that is or is not fertile.
Re: Tucker's choice [message #7104] Sat, 09 June 2012 11:46 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Rolling Eyes I think the issue of Tuck/Val's ability to have children has been discussed before. The conclusion is not personally and not likely in any other way as it is doubtful that the ovary is truly viable.

On the issue of a compression vest... If Tuck doesn't wear it all the time someone will see him at the mall or the grocery store in Tuck mode and out him. Crying or Very Sad
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Anne wrote on Sat, 09 June 2012 08:46

On the issue of a compression vest... If Tuck doesn't wear it all the time someone will see him at the mall or the grocery store in Tuck mode and out him. Crying or Very Sad


Not necessarily. Stu Rasmussen, who made national news when he became the first out TG to get elected mayor anywhere in the US, got breast implants at least 15 years ago (maybe more, I don't have emails that old to check).

And got buy quite well being unnoticed in "boy" mode until he finally "came out" publicly.

Then again, he's only got B cup breasts.
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B cups (which is about what tu/val has according to her friends) are not really obvious unless Tu/val insists on not wearing anything under a plain shirt. This is what Bill notes near the last issued chapter of the current saga. Not an issue as Tu/val has been wearing bulky/large shirts and now is wearing armor to school or most places where Tuck mode is practiced.
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