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Re: After graduation [message #8114] Tue, 30 July 2013 02:05 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Debbie and I found enough leaf springs at the junkyard that were made out of 5160 chromium-carbon-silicon steel to make all the swords we'd probably sell in the next month or two, and we were just scratching the surface of all the stuff they had lying around.

I figured we'd have to come back once we got the technique of making katana blades all worked out. Those samurai-type swords really sell well.

Some of the swordsmiths at the Ren Faire tried to give us grief because our swords weren't made by hand with a hammer and anvil and they didn't have the layering of an authentic Japanese sword and none of us were really swordsmiths and we were cheating by using a power hammer and yadda, yadda, yadda. They shut up when we pointed out the mass-produced stainless steel pieces of crap that were on sale.

I'd still like to make an automatic chainmail machine but I searched around and automatic steel chain makers run in the tens of thousands of dollars, and chainmail is a lot more complicated. Maybe Debbie can find a professor in Mechanical Engineering who'd let a team of students design one with me and guesstimate how much it would cost to build.
Re: After graduation [message #8115] Tue, 30 July 2013 07:39 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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I set up a mandrel of sorts to wind wire into coils of tight rings. The next difficulty was actually cutting the rings from the coils. Making chain mail was something that either took a hugely expensive machine or an unreasonably large amount of time and labor.

Still we all had bits and pieces of time that we used for either making rings or knitting them with needle nose pliers into bits of chain mail. It could not be said that we were making much money at making chain mail but it was popular enough that we could sell whatever we made.

Of course the downside was that no one really wanted to do the work after a few days as it was terribly tedious. Sometimes taking a bag full of rings to something like a doctor's appointment could get some very interesting reactions though....

[Updated on: Sun, 04 August 2013 00:21]

Re: After graduation [message #8116] Tue, 30 July 2013 18:14 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Kelly was visiting and several of us were walking from the computer lab toward the parking lot when we were accosted by a couple of girls with clipboards. Blue below-the-knee skirts, white blouses with rounded collars all buttoned up to their chins, sensible shoes. One was a short blonde, one a slightly larger brunette, both with black bands holding their hair back, both with delicate little chains with crosses on them. The brunette had little pearl earrings. The blonde said, "We're recruiting girls to sign a purity pledge."

Jill asked, "What's that all about?"

"We've all pledged to remain virgins until our wedding nights."

Jill snorted. "Honey, that ship's already sailed."

"Oh, no; if you repent of your sins you can reclaim your purity as if you're still a virgin."

Kathy lost it and started laughing so hard we had to keep her from falling down. As we were leading her away Kelly said, "I'm a lesbian and I can't get married in this state. What about me?"

The last I saw of them they were rooted to the spot with their eyes and mouths wide open.
Re: After graduation [message #8117] Tue, 30 July 2013 18:53 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Debbie called me and Mike over to her table. She gestured at a couple of links on the screen of her laptop:

"These are from an organic chemist:
Things I won't work with http://pipeline.corante.com/archives/things_i_wont_work_with/
Things I'm glad don't do http://pipeline.corante.com/archives/things_im_glad_i_dont_do/

"Now, this stuff is just too fucking dangerous to fool with. You can do anything you can talk a chemistry professor into but you do it in a chem lab far away from here. And you do it alone, not with a bunch of looky-loos hanging around."

I wanted to start looking at the links but she stopped me. "Are we clear on this? This isn't like wanting to make small amounts of explosives or getting your hands on automatic weapons or wanting artillery. I'll shut this place down if I have to."

Both Mike and I blinked a couple of times. This was as serious as I'd ever seen her. This wasn't the time or place for a flippant answer. I nodded. "Aye, aye, ma'am." She'd been around enough to know that was an emphatic "wilco."

Later on, once I'd followed some of the links, the shit on those pages scared me. Toxic, corrosive, explosive, flammable - just totally evil. No way in hell was I gonna fuck with that stuff.
Re: After graduation [message #8118] Wed, 31 July 2013 20:16 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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"Door, closed and locked."

Valerie bumps the door. "Yeah. Check. Mixture?"

Sabrina taps the mixture knob. "Set. Booster pump on. Flaps at zero."

"Check," Valerie agrees. "Exterior lights on, all."

Sabrina feels the panel, and recites, "Landing light upper, landing light lower, beacon, nav lights. Check. Transponder?"

"Set to ALT, code five-one-five-two. Pre-takeoff checklist complete."

They both looked out the windshield, craning their necks, looking for incoming aircraft trying to kill them.

"Call it," Sabrina orders.

Valerie keys the mike and recites, "Beech Nine-One Alpha ready for takeoff on one-six."

"Beech Nine One Alpha cleared for takeoff runway one six, winds two-two-zero at eleven."

"Beech Nine-One Alpha rolling." Sabrina steers the Bonanza onto the runway and smoothly shoves the prop control to full RPM and the throttle in to the stop.

Sabrina'a attention focused on the takeoff - her left hand on the yoke, her right on the throttle, steering by pushing the rudder pedals with her heels to avoid inadvertently applying the brakes.

Valerie started calling out, "Airspeed's alive ... fifty-five ... sixty-five ..."

Sabrina felt the airplane wanting to take off and she lifted off by pulling back about an inch with the middle and ring fingers of her left hand. Without thinking about it she added just a little right rudder to counter the P-factor that wanted to turn the airplane to the left. She continued pulling back until the angle felt right, then glanced at the airspeed to verify that she was at the best-rate-of-climb speed. "Positive rate of climb." A bit later she followed with, "Out of runway, gear up."

Valerie hit the switch and responded, "Gear coming up ...." She started humming the Air Force Song.

Sabrina responded with, "Yeah, yeah; the wild blue yonder part is okay but I can do without the 'live in fame or go down in flame' part."

She adds, "And if you start singing 'Vogue' I'm gonna punch you in the head until you pass out."

"STERILE COCKPIT!" George bellows from behind them, making the two wince.

"Gear up, three green," Valerie announces, as the two of them make faces George can't see.
Re: After graduation [message #8119] Wed, 31 July 2013 20:22 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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"Eight hundred watts of solar panels, is what," Jill says. "Keeps the batteries charged up, 'n runs some of the other stuff. 'S'why we hang out there between classes." That, and the bus had a triple-cycle refrigerator with drinks that were between 1/3 and 1/4 the cost of vending machine sodas.

They had sandwich components in the refrigerator plus Tuppers of stuff they could warm up with the microwaves in the Student Union.

"And we ARE appreciative," Debbie assures Valerie, who is making nine portions of one stirfry and six of another, with rice balls, egg and spring rolls, and pita pockets still not done yet.

Valerie smiles as Debbie kisses her on the cheek, then turns an inquiring eyebrow at George.

"Fuck you, I ain't kissin' you," George states.

"You wanna eat?"

"Not that bad!" The two of them laugh nastily at each other.

There wasn't enough electrial power for a grill without running the engine and experiments with propane hadn't gone very well. They didn't want to use a grill inside to keep from getting the bus permeated with cooking smells and when they used one outside everybody and her sister had shown up wanting some. It also brought a visit from Campus Security because the food service people complained.

Debbie counterattacked, "It's not for sale! What's the problem?"

[Updated on: Thu, 01 August 2013 09:24]

Re: After graduation [message #8120] Wed, 31 July 2013 22:22 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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"Tuck, I need to talk to you tonight after dinner," Debbie told me.

Even though her tone was quite serious I didn't panic, much.... I concentrated on calming my racing pulse and carefully asked, "Can you give me an idea of what you want to talk about?"

"I need your undivided attention Tuck," Debbie said, "I won't have that if you are cooking, cleaning or working in your lab or at our new building."

I supposed I could understand that so I told Debbie that I would meet her in the room that had become her office once I had finished eating.
Re: After graduation [message #8123] Fri, 02 August 2013 11:30 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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"What are you doing, George?"

"What's it look like? Spray painting my bowling ball."

"Okay, so what are you painting on your bowling ball?"

"I figure if I make it look like a bloody eyeball it'll freak out the other bowlers. I thought about making it look like a severed head but that'd be too hard."
Re: After graduation [message #8125] Sun, 04 August 2013 00:11 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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"Dude!" George complained, "I can't believe that they told me I have to leave my ball in the car."

"I could have told you that something that distracted the other bowlers wouldn't be allowed," Kathy said. The fact that she looked like she was trying to refrain from smirking seemed to set George off. He tried, unwisely, to kick Kathy.

She made him cry uncle....

[Updated on: Sun, 04 August 2013 00:23]

Re: After graduation [message #8127] Sun, 04 August 2013 03:51 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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mkemp wrote on Fri, 26 July 2013 12:34

Warning sign: http://www.retailhellunderground.com/my_weblog/2013/07/awesome-safety-si gnage.html <a href=" http://www.retailhellunderground.com/my_weblog/2013/07/awesome-safety-si gnage.html" target="_blank"></a>

"Warning: Do Not Stick Your Finger Where You Wouldn't Stick Your Dick."


Alas, just a couple days ago, I saw an online video of a guy explaining to the ER docs how his dick came to be stuck in the camp stove sitting in his lap.

Re: After graduation [message #8128] Sun, 04 August 2013 11:36 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Self-Darwinization is probably why the natural birth ratio is skewed toward boys.
Re: After graduation [message #8131] Sun, 04 August 2013 14:26 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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That makes a good deal of sense. Boys do dangerous things by their nature. They therefor have a higher mortality rate. Therefor the goal of propagating the species is met by increasing the number of male births.
Re: After graduation [message #8132] Sun, 04 August 2013 18:11 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Anne wrote on Sun, 04 August 2013 19:26

That makes a good deal of sense. Boys do dangerous things by their nature.

Whereas childbirth is perfectly safe...
No, that's a nice neat explanation that doesn't hold up when examined. For one thing, the ratio starts at about 1.5:1 at conception and starts going down immediately.

Wikipedia has something to say, not surprisingly.

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Re: After graduation [message #8134] Sun, 04 August 2013 19:11 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Of course it's more complicated than that, but "guys do dumb things" fits the stereotype.
Re: After graduation [message #8137] Mon, 05 August 2013 21:33 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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"Of course it's dangerous," I told Christina, the exchange student from Africa. "Don't they hunt lions and elephants where you're from?"

She nodded. So I continued to explain, "Sometimes you do dangerous things in what you think is a controlled fashion in order to experience the thrill of facing danger."

She tapped my cast and said, "It looks like you miscalculated the danger..."
Re: After graduation [message #8143] Wed, 07 August 2013 21:59 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Kim brought up a subject at dinner. "It's coming up on rush week and we've been getting questions about joining la cosa nostra." She gave us a little smile. "This thing of ours."

I was startled. "Outsiders joining the Squadron?"

"Yes. We also need to think about our friends graduating from McAllen."

"I can see maybe inviting some of the littles, not much of anybody else."

Mike said, "Just the ones who've proven they can keep quiet. Face it, somebody running off at the mouth about Tu-Val can ruin everything for all of us."

"Yeah. Plus how many people would you trust around you holding a gun?"

Dan said, "We'd need to run any candidates through a mini boot camp to see if they measured up."

George said, "'Measure up-'"

"Shut up, George," came from several people.

Kim said, "And what would we call it? If we say it's a fraternity we'd get a bunch of guys like George-"

"Hey!"

"-but dumber. And if we called it a sorority we'd get a bunch of snooty bitches going through life on Daddy's credit card."

I noticed Lisa about to say something but Debbie put a hand on her arm to restrain her. I said, "Okay - three questions: do we want to recruit new members, does anyone here want or need to go somewhere else, and if people leave would we need to recruit new members?" I looked around. "I think that Sabrina'll need to go to Opa-Locka for ratings and aeronautical engineering and Kathy'll probably need to go somewhere else for med school 'cause there isn't one here."

Mike spoke up, "Before we get into that, who actually owns this place? Are we just renting or what?"

Debbie replied, "The Starlite itself is owned by Lisa's parents and being managed by the Starlite Corporation - a not-for-profit subsidiary of D & E just to make the paperwork easier."

Lisa interjected, "My parents own this place?"

"Yeah, the payments were about the same as everybody's rent so they went ahead and bought it. Once we're gone they figured they can sell it and make a little considering all the improvements we've made."

[Updated on: Mon, 21 October 2013 13:52]

Re: After graduation [message #8144] Wed, 07 August 2013 23:43 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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I had taken a sandwich with me today since I wanted some alone time. I had a lot of thinking to do. It seemed that every time I went to a shooting meet Chance was right there trying to pry his way into my life. He wasn't being pushy about it but at the same time he definitely was pursuing me whenever we met.

I'd asked him why, and he told me that a girl who could shoot like me was a turn on. I just didn't know what to do. I liked the attention that Chance gave me, but I'd researched the statistics on relationships with police officers. The numbers weren't pretty.

So I sat there in a blue funk trying to decide if I was going to have to give up shooting to avoid Chance. I was so inward focused that I didn't see the sort of gothic looking girl who came and sat beside me until she said, "What's got you so gloomy?"

"Men!"

"Heh I prefer women."

"Women have their bad points too."

"So," she said, looking in my eyes, "since you've admitted that you're bi, would you be interested in going to a dance with me?"
Re: After graduation [message #8146] Thu, 08 August 2013 08:53 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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"Why would we have to call ourselves either a frat or a sorority?" complained Dan.
"Because..."
"No, he's right," added Mike. "We don't play by the Greek rules. We are off-campus, we are co-ed, we don't have a charter with the college, we don't get any special privileges, we don't have or seek affiliation with any national association... why should we define ourselves by their nineteenth-century rules?"


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Re: After graduation [message #8147] Thu, 08 August 2013 12:20 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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"It's a capital."

"What?!"

"Look," Mike sighed. "Communists live in a commune, right? We're all capitalists. So we live in a capital."

"Dude!" George enthused, getting it almost instantly.

"That," Julia said musingly, "makes a disturbing amount of sense."

Debbie and Lisa were looking at each other, and starting to grin.

"Q.E.D.," Mike added, though he wasn't entirely sure that was correct.

"Oh," Tucker somehow drawled in near-falsetto, "you speak French!"

***

"Men are fucking pigs!" Tucker shrieked.

George agreed, "Damn straight!" and leaned over and clinked his ale bottle against Tuck's wine cooler.

"How would you know?" Tucker asked suspiciously. "You never dated one."

George said calmly, "I never dated one 'cause they're all fucking pigs, Tuck." Then he put his bottle up and swallowed another third of the contents.

Tucker frowned, detecting something wrong; but when he couldn't figure out what it was - other than it wasn't something that required shooting - he had some of his own bottle's contents.

***

Julia remarked, "She's so cute when she's in a drunken stupor." Valerie did look cute, cuddled up to Janet like she was. *At least she's not drooling. This time. Yet.*

***

Tucker sang, "Welcome to my shop. Let me cut your mop. Let me shave your crop! Daiiiiiintily. Daaaaaaaaaaintily. Hey, you! Don't look so perplexed. Why must you be vexed? Can't you see you're next? Yes, you're next. Yoooooou're so next!"

"Do you have to sing that EVERY time?" Book complained.

"Yeah. State law," Tucker claimed with a straight face.

"Oh bullshit."

"Oh yeah? Show me where it doesn't say that."

Book actually opened his mouth to say something.

[Updated on: Thu, 08 August 2013 16:53]

Re: After graduation [message #8148] Sat, 10 August 2013 13:31 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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My heart thundered in my chest as I approached the door to Debbie's office. We might be on better terms than we had been two years ago but she could still find ways to make my life exciting. And not in a good way either!

I tapped on the door since it was closed. Debbie called for me to come in. I entered the room and she had me sit in a comfortable recliner. Since none of us wanted to sit in the usual office chairs we agreed to the expense. Debbie stayed on the same side of the desk as me. In fact she sat on the floor before she started talking.

"Val I know we've had some problems in the past," she started *huh?* I thought, *this is going to be about whoever I'm dating like Chance who Debbie doesn't like....* "I'm not sure how to ease those tensions since I do like working with you and I want you to continue to work with me.

"In point of fact that is why I wanted to talk to you alone tonight. I've been going over the income we're making from your inventions and it is significant. What I want to know is two things: First is cooking here interfering with your ability to invent? And second are your classes interfering with your ability to invent?"
Re: After graduation [message #8149] Sat, 10 August 2013 21:09 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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"Is it.... What the fuck do you think, Debbie?! Of course it's fucking interfering! But every single one of you fuckers thinks I need to get out of the lab and be 'sociable' or some kind of fucking bullshit whenever I really start getting into things!" Tucker noticed he was screaming; then decided that he should be screaming. "So just now you've figured out that all this shit I've been doing is interfering with my lab work?!"
Re: After graduation [message #8150] Sun, 11 August 2013 03:09 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Debbie let me yell for a bit before she said, "Calm down Val!"

I still really wanted to yell but my throat hurt so I stopped. "I'm going to tell everyone that they are not to ask you to cook. If you're cooking and someone asks, you can refuse to cook for them. I like you so you are not going to get out of some social activity. Otherwise you would crawl into your cave here and never come out especially when you are hiding from someone like that yummy policeman who has been following you at the shooting meets."

I blushed and started to hem and haw a bit before Debbie continued, "You are a major stake holder in the new and improved D&E Enterprises. We want you healthy. I want you as healthy as you can be. That means that you need to get out and do things with people. Most of the girls here think that you'd be crazy to keep hiding from Chance..."
Re: After graduation [message #8151] Sun, 11 August 2013 12:46 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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"The other girls don't have to worry about a guy sticking his hand down their pants and finding something unexpected."
Re: After graduation [message #8152] Sun, 11 August 2013 18:01 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Debbie stared at me like this was the first time she had seen me. I didn't know why the people around me kept forgetting that I had a rather unusual anatomical arrangement. Finally she said quietly, "Is that why you try to only date with people who know you already?"
Re: After graduation [message #8153] Sun, 11 August 2013 19:25 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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*God, I don't believe she's this clueless* "Well, fucking Duh! The wrong guy finds out and runs his fucking mouth all over the campus and it'll be like being back in fucking McAllen again!"

I found myself panting in terror at the concept and tried to calm down. I hoped that this wouldn't bring back the nightmares.

[Updated on: Sun, 11 August 2013 19:27]

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Ellen Hayes wrote on Thu, 08 August 2013 09:20

"It's a capital."

"What?!"

"Look," Mike sighed. "Communists live in a commune, right? We're all capitalists. So we live in a capital."

"Dude!" George enthused, getting it almost instantly.

"That," Julia said musingly, "makes a disturbing amount of sense."

Debbie and Lisa were looking at each other, and starting to grin.

"Q.E.D.," Mike added, though he wasn't entirely sure that was correct.

"Oh," Tucker somehow drawled in near-falsetto, "you speak French!"



Given that Tuck speaks German, and that he has a *well* developed sense of irony, maybe they can call it "Das Kapital"?
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Just for the record, this kind of living arrangement for college students (bunch of students join together to share living expenses, in a house unaffiliated and unendorsed by the college) is rather common here in Brazil. We call them "student republics."


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Brooke wrote on Mon, 12 August 2013 01:57

Given that Tuck speaks German, and that he has a *well* developed sense of irony, maybe they can call it "Das Kapital"?


Given all the women about, he'd call it "Die Kapital". Anyone that objects is in his opinion the German equivalent of an English teacher and can be discarded immediately.

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Of course if they are somewhat familiar with history they may decide to call it a Res Publica....
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Kim came up to me. "Thank you so much for the pink chainsaw."

"Why, what happened?" She'd gone to a con wearing a cheerleader's outfit and carrying a pink chainsaw from Dead Rising. I'd taken off the chain and replaced the engine and fuel tank with a noisemaker.

"Well, some of us went to the 7-11 down the street when a mundane asshole decided to hassle me. I pulled the cord to turn it on and he ran right into a stack of Coke cases trying to get away."

(Inspired by http://notalwaysright.com/karkat-thor-and-loki-walk-into-a-bar/31256)
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"Hey Val," Kelly, who had come up for a weekend visit to check out the college we were all attending, said, "I see there's a Star Trek Con going on about 50 miles from here, have you ever thought about going to one?"

An image of James T Cooper flashed in my mind and I nearly had an asthma attack from laughing....
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George and Dan started making sketches of a shuttlecraft body they could make to mount on some kind of frame cobbled together from stuff they could find at the junkyard.

I suggested that they use a reciprocating piston engine driven by compressed air to make it go, kinda like an old-time steam locomotive.

They really wanted to build something that was street-legal and drive it there but nobody'd let a gas or propane vehicle into the con.
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Debbie watched with concern as Valerie hobbled off, back to the lab. *She barely ate anything tonight, and I know she likes shrimp...* Mike came past with more dishes, so she asked him, "How much does she weigh recently?" Mike and Valerie had come up with digital scales on a network when they'd gotten tired of hearing complaints about weight; the ' Great Debate' between Pam, Kathy (who wanted data), and Kim and Julia had really set it off.

"Who? Tuck?" Mike stopped and shook his head. "About one-oh-nine. WITH the cast."

"Oh..."

"Yeah. Not good," Mike stated. He shook his head. "He's not burning the calories in exercise, so he's not eating. Plus whenever he falls into Deep Hack, he won't eat at all."

"Can we do anything?"

Mike shook his head again. "Dunno. Make the bones heal faster? It's impossible to make him eat more at the best of times, and..."

And when Valerie was in 'Deep Hack', she got violent towards anything that interrupted her thoughts. Debbie sighed. "Is she getting enough calcium to heal?"

"Doc says yes. One of the things they're doing with the weekly blood tests is checking the bioavailable calcium, and phosphorus. That's high, so it's okay. He's taking pills."

"Oh."

"Plus the bone powder," which made her shudder.

Mike gave her a look. "I thought you'd be happy with the stuff coming out of the lab."

"I am, but I don't want her to cripple herself. You know how hard she worked on getting fit, and now, it's just like wasting away... Plus she's getting... irritable."

"Psychotic, you mean?"

"Not yet, but..." She looked at Mike. "I'm worried. She used to be sweet, at times." She hadn't been anything near sweet in the last couple of months.

"He's really into the lab right now," Mike said, though Debbie wondered if he believed himself. "He'll get better once he can move around. One of the things that's bothering him is that he doesn't feel safe off the grounds."

"What? Why not?"

"'Can't run,'" Mike quoted, "'can't climb, can't tunnel-rat into small spaces.' He REALLY hates being vulnerable."

"Which is why she's always armed." You couldn't miss the tactical holster, always strapped over the skirts she'd been wearing to go over the leg cast. "And wearing body armor."

"He's usually got a helmet on in the lab too, though that could be just lab safety taken a little..." Debbie glared at him until he stopped. "Yeah, okay, that was bullshit. But what the hell can I do? Make him stop?"

"You're the only one that could!"

Mike shook his head slowly. "Not on this, I couldn't. I mean, I could, if I could come up with a decent reason, like a client meeting or something, but it wouldn't stick after the meeting was over."

"Damnit." Debbie had to consciously make herself stop chewing on her lip. "I just keep seeing her, locked in that lab, getting crazier and crazier..."

Mike nodded. "I'm doing what I can, but right now, it's not going to get better. I THINK I can keep it from getting worse."

"It's already worse!" Debbie burst out.
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Chance and I and bunch of us were sitting around over coffee when one of the younger guys, Brit or Bret or something, said something about "them goddamn fags."

Chance drawled, "Hold on there, cowboy. Don't go running your mouth about things like that. You know any fags?"

"No! I'd kick their asses if I did."

"How could you tell?"

"Well, I'd just know."

"Bullshit. Most of 'em look like you and me, act like you and me. Only a few of 'em are the flaming queers you're thinking of."

"Well, how do you know. You one of them?"

"Right now I'm assigned to the seventeeenth precinct. The most wretched hive of scum and villainy our fair city has yet produced."

I'm glad I wasn't drinking anything when he said that.

Chance went on, "When I was first assigned to the One Seven they paired me with an old guy, Steve Watson, just the picture of the old-time harness bull and the kind of guy you'd think would whop on fags. Before we went out he dragged me into the break room. 'Chance,' he said, 'what we're doing is keeping the peace. You'll probably see a lot of stuff that looks pretty strange to you. As long as nobody's getting hurt or looks really underage we leave 'em alone.'"

Bret said, "'Pretty strange?' Like what?"

"Guys holding hands or kissing or playing a little grabass. Girls doing the same thing. One time a couple of babes came over to us and Steve introduced them as Melvin and Enrique."

"Were they...?"

"Nope. They just liked to get dressed up. Melvin was married, too, and they were going to meet his wife later and go dancing."

"I'll bet she wore combat boots and a biker's jacket."

"That night she did, other nights not. Other women wore that kind of thing all the time and didn't want to have anything to do with men. Steve called 'em 'Lebanese.'"

I almost laughted myself into an asthma attack at that, and I wasn't the only one. When I calmed down I asked, "So, besides homosexuals and crossdressers what else did you come across?"

Chance replied, "Girls being led by leashes around their necks. Guys being led by leashes around other body parts." That got some uncomfortable reactions. "Really good female impersonators. There were rumors about some of the girls in the topless shows being guys with implants or hormone treatments or something." He shrugged and paused for a moment. "One thing you learned was to treat people like they wanted - Steve said, 'Treat 'em like they present themselves. It doesn't matter if their plumbing doesn't match the plumage.' At least a quarter of all the stuff we dealt with was keeping clodkickers like Bret here from hassling the residents."

"Hey."

"We also had to protect the Holy Rollers from getting harrassed. They'd come in and try to pray away the gay. Dumb bastards."

"They were just trying to save people from immorality."

I couldn't help myself. "Bullshit! They were just trying to impose their narrow-minded morality onto others."

Chance gave me a quick smile. "Yeah. Most of the rest was the normal drunk-and-disorderly stuff; we used 'xm' and 'xf' on the forms for crossdressers and put everybody who looked the same in the holding cells together."

Bret asked, "Ever make a mistake?"

"Couple of times before I really knew what to look for, but we always asked. Steve would swat 'em across the shins with a rubber hose if they lied."

The rest of the gang went off for pizza soon after that, leaving Chance and me behind. He said, "Valerie, why are you afraid of me? You've been pretty tense lately, after you broke your leg, and you look thinner, but there's a special kind of tension when we're together."

I gave him a smile. "I'm not tense, I'm just terribly terribly alert."

"Are you afraid I'll hurt you? Do I remind you of something bad that happened in high school?"

I must have flinched because he went on, "Valerie, there's absolutely no reason I'd hurt you. No matter what. I don't run my mouth, either, so if you're Lebanese...."

[Updated on: Mon, 19 August 2013 18:52]

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I must have flinched because he went on, "Valerie, there's absolutely no reason I'd hurt you. No matter what. I don't run my mouth, either, so If you're Lebanese...."

I suppose it had to happen sometime, but when Chance said that it was like I'd been hit by about 440 volts, or a near miss... anyway I just collapsed into his arms and bawled until he took me to the Starelite.
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By the time Chance got Valerie back to the Starlite she'd calmed down to the occasional hiccup and sniffle. "Sorry I got you all wet."

"My sister's brats got considerably worse on me. I wound up having to babysit them almost every weekday evening my Senior year - three and five-and-a-half."

"Me too, most of my Junior and Senior years. Well, not for my sister, for a family who wanted help. Eighteen months and eight, plus Miz Parker had another little girl that summer. They were getting ready to move into a larger house when I graduated so I dodged that bullet."

Chance and Valerie chatted for a bit but Valerie kept dropping off during the conversation. Mike had been keeping an eye on things from across the lobby and came over at that point. "Valerie, time for you to get to bed." Valerie only protested a little as Jill and Kim took her to the elevators.

Mike said to Chance, "Look, that broken leg is fucking her up worse than you realize. It keeps her from being able to run away from trouble-"

"That's why she always has her weapon with her?"

"Yeah, she feels vulnerable off the grounds."

"What the hell happened?"

"Buncha assholes put her in the hospital her Junior year. You being around makes it worse 'cause she'd just gotten her first boyfriend and she kept him a secret from her parents. We couldn't tell him what was going on so he gave up and moved on."

"Why was he a secret and why couldn't tell him? Christ, if my girlfriend was in the hospital I'd want to be there. I'd probably arrange some accidents for the assholes, too."

"And you'd be the prime suspect. Don't worry, we took care of them. It's complicated and Classified and not my story to tell. Just back off a little and when Val's healed and back in shape ask her."

"It wasn't you and her?"

"Vishnu, no! Nothing romantic; we protected each other from being picked on for so long that we're closer than brother and sister."
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"Why would anyone attack a beautiful girl?" Chance asked, "They didn't rape her did they?"

"No," Mike answered, "and that is all I'll tell you. You'll have to ask Val about the why of it.

Chance wouldn't give up that easy. "Look I'm not leaving until I talk to Val so where can I stay? I want to know why asking her if she is lebanese put her into incoherent tears."

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"Christ, you can't stay here! What part of 'you're making it worse' don't you understand?"

"I want answers!"

"And you'll have to get them from Valerie. If she wants to tell you. Acting like an asshole won't get them. Go home; don't make me PNG you out of here."

"PNG?"

"Persona non grata - diplomat-speak for go home and don't come back."

"You can't throw me out!"

"I won't; we'll just call the local cops and have you removed. This is private property and we have every right to have you ejected."

Debbie and Kathy joined the conversation. Kathy was hiding a taser behind her thigh. Debbie said, "Go home, Chance; you're way outside your jurisdiction here. Mom's a deputy sheriff and I know that nothing official will go on your record but it won't do your career any good if we speak to your commanding officer about stalking and harassment."

"But-"

She put a hand on Chance's arm. "Let me walk you out. Go home and let her get healed up. Talk to her again when she's feeling better."

Debbie led Chance out toward the parking lot. Kathy stayed behind and once the two were through the doors she said to Mike, "That could have gone better."

"Yeah. Glad Debbie showed up."

"Kim called us. Why is it every time Val gets anywhere close to a guy it all turns to shit?"

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"Actually Debbie," Chance said as he walked with her to his car, "you're wrong about the extent of my jurisdiction. If I see the law being broken I can take a hand in stopping it no matter where I am. Of course that applies to you too, which is why for now I won't be saying anything to the city police here about the fact that you have an armed encampment." Chance stopped speaking for a moment then pulled out a business card. "This is my business card," He wrote a number on the back of it, "and my personal phone number. I don't want any of you to think I would threaten either you or Val. I like her a lot and..." Chance let the sentence hang for a moment as if to gather his thoughts. "I really want to get to know Val better. I admit a mild case of lust for her, but I'd like to change that so that we shared enough of our lives to say we actually have a relationship." He held up his hand when he saw that the pushy young lady was going to speak before he'd finished. "No I don't mean sex, though as a guy that is on my mind, I want to know why Val feels like she has to go armed."

"Do you know how many girls are raped on the campus of the college she attends?" Debbie asked.

"No, but I suppose she does."

"Not only that but she knows that other bad things can happen to her. And when you need help now, the police are minutes away. I support your job, I think it is necessary, but unless you intend to resign from your city force and live here you can't be with Val every minute of every day. And to be honest that would be the last thing she wants. She wants what everyone else wants. To feel safe while walking around. From what I know of her parents I doubt that will ever happen, because they instilled quite a bit of proactive paranoia into her..."

[Updated on: Mon, 19 August 2013 22:25]

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Chance waited until a flower shop opened in the morning. One thing he was fairly certain of was that most girls would appreciate was flowers.

"Sorry I made you cry," he wrote on the card he added to a dozen pink roses.
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Anne wrote on Mon, 19 August 2013 17:16

She wants what everyone else wants. To feel safe while walking around. From what I know of her parents I doubt that will ever happen, because they instilled quite a bit of proactive paranoia into her."
"And a lot of that was because she was picked on all through school, her and Mike. A couple of girls in sixth grade broke her collarbone, a car broke her leg after a guy with a baseball bat chased her into traffic, another guy chased her half a mile to her home and he only gave up after she put a warning shot into the wall beside him. I think her parents were idiots, not homeschooling her." Debbie paused and shook her head. "This armed encampment full of people she trusts is someplace she feels safe. Please back off and not make the outside world more stressful."
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"Debbie do you think I'm stupid?" Chance asked, "I know that Val thinks I'm stupid, but I figured that was just a female thing. My sisters tend to think I'm stupid and so does my sister-in-law."

Chance stopped but held up his hand to stop Debbie from going on a rant. "You just told me all of Val's secrets in one go. Now I suggest you go tell her it doesn't matter what she has in her panties, I like her and I want to get to know her."
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An important point:
mkemp wrote on Mon, 19 August 2013 17:23

"That's why she always has her weapon with her?"

"Yeah, she feels vulnerable off the grounds."

"What the hell happened?"



Mike's face went flat. "That information is classified."


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Ellen Hayes wrote on Thu, 22 August 2013 13:24

An important point:
mkemp wrote on Mon, 19 August 2013 17:23

"That's why she always has her weapon with her?"

"Yeah, she feels vulnerable off the grounds."

"What the hell happened?"



Mike's face went flat. "That information is classified."


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The arc this particular story has been taking is why people get caught by the police. It is why I believe that Chance had to come to the conclusion that Tu/Val is either cross dressing or TG.

Ellen is right in that I doubt that Mike would give the info he gave. Would the other girls? Maybe. Cases are broken by bits of information that the giver doesn't think add up. But no one knows what the police know or what they believe (whether it is true or untrue) about a situation.
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It was Debbie who ran off at the mouth. She has an ingrained trust in the police that Val, Mike and anyone else exposed to Bill wouldn't have.
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Writing this collaborative story is interesting and I don't want to start any arguments. It has been fun. I will continue to write on it as long as it doesn't cause arguments.

MKemp wrote:

Mike said to Chance, "Look, that broken leg is fucking her up worse than you realize. It keeps her from being able to run away from trouble-"

"That's why she always has her weapon with her?"

"Yeah, she feels vulnerable off the grounds."

"What the hell happened?"

"Buncha assholes put her in the hospital her Junior year. You being around makes it worse 'cause she'd just gotten her first boyfriend and she kept him a secret from her parents. We couldn't tell him what was going on so he gave up and moved on."

Then he continued later after one of my bits to have Debbie say things out of school as it were when she had Chance alone. He also has Chance working the odd side of the street. It is my contention that these clues add up to Tu/Val the cross dresser at least.

Further I would be willing to bet that Chance has asked questions of all of Tu/Val's girl friends to get a feeling of her likes, dislikes and personality. I would be surprised if they haven't let things slip.

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Oops. Yeah, I had Mike saying that and it would have been entirely out of character. The question "What the hell happened?" would have been answered, "That's classified."

Debbie might still have spilled the beans, though.
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Anne wrote on Mon, 19 August 2013 17:16

Of course that applies to you too, which is why for now I won't be saying anything to the city police here about the fact that you have an armed encampment."


Speaking about things out of character, I can see only two ways to interpret that statement and both of them are threats that would have Mike and Tuck warning Bill the family might have to run. The two interpretations are:
1)"I know you haven't done anything illegal but you do have enough (perfectly legal) guns to make a good scare story. Now are you going to give me what I want or do you want me to see what sort of case I can manufacture against you?"
2)"Despite the fact that I'm a cop and carry a gun I am under the belief that no private citizen has a right to be armed, since you are you're obviously doing something illegal I just haven't managed to prove what it is yet."
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The Unicorn wrote on Fri, 23 August 2013 03:56

Anne wrote on Mon, 19 August 2013 17:16

Of course that applies to you too, which is why for now I won't be saying anything to the city police here about the fact that you have an armed encampment."


Speaking about things out of character, I can see only two ways to interpret that statement and both of them are threats that would have Mike and Tuck warning Bill the family might have to run. The two interpretations are:
1)"I know you haven't done anything illegal but you do have enough (perfectly legal) guns to make a good scare story. Now are you going to give me what I want or do you want me to see what sort of case I can manufacture against you?"
2)"Despite the fact that I'm a cop and carry a gun I am under the belief that no private citizen has a right to be armed, since you are you're obviously doing something illegal I just haven't managed to prove what it is yet."


I agree. The thing is that we all tend to get very tyrannical when we believe what we are doing is for the other person's good. To paraphrase C. S Lewis.

So in Chance' mind he is doing his best to find out what is causing Val's fear. He believing that he is doing good cannot believe that Val is afraid of him. After all he is doing what he is doing with the best of intentions.

Now he is ignoring of misinterpreting the results of his behavior, but that is as I noted above not unusual. There is much possibility for continued escalation on both sides as Mike and Tuck interpret his actions as aggression. Their reactions would be interpreted as (if not actually being) violation of the law since I believe that the reason that Tuck's parents had him in school in part was that the world must be faced. For at some point there is no avoiding facing the world, and the world is full of all sorts of people who want what you have.
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Anne wrote on Fri, 23 August 2013 05:02

The Unicorn wrote on Fri, 23 August 2013 03:56

Anne wrote on Mon, 19 August 2013 17:16

Of course that applies to you too, which is why for now I won't be saying anything to the city police here about the fact that you have an armed encampment."


Speaking about things out of character, I can see only two ways to interpret that statement and both of them are threats that would have Mike and Tuck warning Bill the family might have to run. The two interpretations are:
1)"I know you haven't done anything illegal but you do have enough (perfectly legal) guns to make a good scare story. Now are you going to give me what I want or do you want me to see what sort of case I can manufacture against you?"
2)"Despite the fact that I'm a cop and carry a gun I am under the belief that no private citizen has a right to be armed, since you are you're obviously doing something illegal I just haven't managed to prove what it is yet."


I agree. The thing is that we all tend to get very tyrannical when we believe what we are doing is for the other person's good. To paraphrase C. S Lewis.

So in Chance' mind he is doing his best to find out what is causing Val's fear. He believing that he is doing good cannot believe that Val is afraid of him. After all he is doing what he is doing with the best of intentions.

Now he is ignoring of misinterpreting the results of his behavior, but that is as I noted above not unusual. There is much possibility for continued escalation on both sides as Mike and Tuck interpret his actions as aggression. Their reactions would be interpreted as (if not actually being) violation of the law since I believe that the reason that Tuck's parents had him in school in part was that the world must be faced. For at some point there is no avoiding facing the world, and the world is full of all sorts of people who want what you have.


You missed my point. Having Chance as a well intentioned idiot who won't leave is one thing and while upsetting to Val not really a big threat.
Having a COP who's perfectly willing to bend break and mutilate the law in his effort to blackmail Tuck and Co. into doing what he wants them to do is the sort of threat that would have Bill seriously considering packing up the entire family and disappearing, or possibly arranging for the cop in question to encounter a fatal accident (both plans have some major risks so he'd be carefully considering both).

I don't know how Debbie would react to the threat but she knows enough to recognize that Chance just declared himself to being crooked
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Yeah, that bit about Chance sounds rather blackmail-ish. If Chance had actually said something like that, Debbie should've clammed up right then, and reported it to all of them ASAP (like at supper that night; or in encrypted (and X-Tucker-Important) email).

Also, Debbie may be related to cops, but she's done plenty of illegal stuff in her life, and I don't think she'd just run off at the mouth like that. Or ignore a potential blackmail threat.

Good thing I declared this thread to be non-canonical. =)

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I'd like to get a bit more of my thinking on this subject in the open. When Debbie says, "Go home, Chance; you're way outside your jurisdiction here. Mom's a deputy sheriff and I know that nothing official will go on your record but it won't do your career any good if we speak to your commanding officer about stalking and harassment." It is like waving a red flag in front of a bull. I can't imagine that she would escalate things this way except that Chance bringing Val home in tears has everyone's nerves on edge.

Even though he is outside of his jurisdiction the fact that they bring out tazers is also an escalation of the encounter. Again the only reason for this that I can think of is that emotions are running very high at this point. When Chance issues Debbie a gentle warning on the way to his car he is not so far as I can see blackmailing her. In fact he is bending away from that but letting her know that the escalation inside would be frowned on by the local police. He of course being emotionally invested in the situation also stopped hearing Debbie at the out of jurisdiction challenge.... So given the corner we've all written ourselves into can we deescalate the situation?

I'm also guessing that even without knowing the laws of the state where they are living Chance has to be asking if Val can legally own her pistol. I know that in the people's democratic republic of Kalifornia you can not own a pistol before you are 21. I don't know when that law was made but I'd guess that Val is skirting the law very closely.

Further evidence from this story says that Val and company have been experimenting with explosives. Even if they own the whole building an explosion will draw the ire of the neighbors. A single Chem experiment gone wrong might be written off by the local police but more than one would have their attention. Then too there would be the fact that everyone was on eggshells over the incident at Waco and Ruby Ridge. A paranoia level of security is just going to escalate the whole thing. The fact is that no matter who is president, the larger the government gets the more dangerous it gets to everyone's freedom.
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Anne wrote on Fri, 23 August 2013 19:11

I'd like to get a bit more of my thinking on this subject in the open. When Debbie says, "Go home, Chance; you're way outside your jurisdiction here. Mom's a deputy sheriff and I know that nothing official will go on your record but it won't do your career any good if we speak to your commanding officer about stalking and harassment." It is like waving a red flag in front of a bull. I can't imagine that she would escalate things this way except that Chance bringing Val home in tears has everyone's nerves on edge.

Even though he is outside of his jurisdiction the fact that they bring out tazers is also an escalation of the encounter. Again the only reason for this that I can think of is that emotions are running very high at this point. When Chance issues Debbie a gentle warning on the way to his car he is not so far as I can see blackmailing her. In fact he is bending away from that but letting her know that the escalation inside would be frowned on by the local police. He of course being emotionally invested in the situation also stopped hearing Debbie at the out of jurisdiction challenge.... So given the corner we've all written ourselves into can we deescalate the situation?

I'm also guessing that even without knowing the laws of the state where they are living Chance has to be asking if Val can legally own her pistol. I know that in the people's democratic republic of Kalifornia you can not own a pistol before you are 21. I don't know when that law was made but I'd guess that Val is skirting the law very closely.

Further evidence from this story says that Val and company have been experimenting with explosives. Even if they own the whole building an explosion will draw the ire of the neighbors. A single Chem experiment gone wrong might be written off by the local police but more than one would have their attention. Then too there would be the fact that everyone was on eggshells over the incident at Waco and Ruby Ridge. A paranoia level of security is just going to escalate the whole thing. The fact is that no matter who is president, the larger the government gets the more dangerous it gets to everyone's freedom.


Debbie and Co. were not escalating when they pulled out Tazers, that argument could be made if they drew lethal weaponry but given that they were facing an armed assailant even that could be justified.

I'm not familiar with the exact laws on concealed carry at the time but I assumed Tuck had a concealed carry license - because if he didn't he'd be facing serious legal trouble and for that matter so would Chance for failing to report it.

Make explosives is legal as long as you observe safety precautions and are not doing it on a commercial basis or industrial scale.

As for Wako and ruby ridge please note that the investigation into all the screwups that went into Wako wasn't yet concluded at the time this story would be happening so what chance said comes off as threatening to have the m all killed like the people in Wako.

Basically - If chance honestly thought they were doing something illegal it was his duty to report it, however his statement about "armed encampment" does not indicate they were doing anything illegal, just something that he could get them in trouble over despite it being perfectly legal and given some of the stories about Wako possibly get them all killed just by some creative misfiling of paperwork.

The only way I can think of to recover this is to rewind back to :
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I must have flinched because he went on, "Valerie, there's absolutely no reason I'd hurt you. No matter what. I don't run my mouth, either, so If you're Lebanese...."

I suppose it had to happen sometime, but when Chance said that it was like I'd been hit by about 440 volts, or a near miss... anyway I just collapsed into his arms and bawled until he took me to the Starelite.


And pretend everything posted after that didn't happen.
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Clarification here: California's laws on gun purchases are pretty much in line with federal laws, they are just better enforced. Eleven states do have much stricter laws but California is not really one of them. There is a federal law that a person under 21 may not be sold a handgun or handgun ammunition by a licensed gun dealer and California's law is only slightly stricter applying to more gun sellers than does the federal law. Gifts within a family are not restricted.

California laws on possession of handguns are stricter than federal laws but not by much. There are more groups of people who are not allowed to have a handgun than under federal law but there is no 21 year age limit on possession of handguns. It can be difficult to get a concealed carry permit at that age depending on jurisdiction within the state and justification offered.

It's a good thing to look this stuff up. It's not hard to find and only took me about five minutes using Der Google. Here's a rule of thumb, any source that misspells the name of the state is probably in error. Lots of propaganda outlets like to pretend that California gun laws are insanely restrictive when they really are not.

Surprisingly, one of the strictest sets of state laws on possession of handguns is South Carolina which along with nine other states does have a 21 year age limit.
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Anne wrote on Tue, 20 August 2013 01:16

"Actually Debbie," Chance said as he walked with her to his car, "you're wrong about the extent of my jurisdiction. If I see the law being broken I can take a hand in stopping it no matter where I am. Of course that applies to you too, which is why for now I won't be saying anything to the city police here about the fact that you have an armed encampment."


Holy hell YES this is a threat. "For now" implies that it could change later... and even if no laws are being broken, try to imagine a bunch of cops looting through your house looking for anything illegal. "Sorry to trouble you" doesn't put books back on shelves, furniture back in place (assuming they didn't break any looking for secret hiding places), containers back in the refrigerator, or your underwear back in the drawers. Nor does it compensate for the violation of having all your possessions rummaged through by strangers. And that's assuming they don't want to fuck with you by planting something.

And that's also assuming you don't run afoul of one of the weirder laws... I can't remember where, it may be / may have been Texas, but possession of more than three dildoes/vibrators is (or was) a crime. How can you be sure that you haven't broken some weird thing like this? Is the gasoline for your mower stored properly? What about property easements; have you encroached on them in some illegal way? Etc etc.

Chance here is basically saying "Bend over and give me what I want or I'll fuck you with an entire police department" (or BATF or FBI or whatever).

And whatever Debbie and Mike would do to Chance to reduce this threat (if anything), Tucker, hearing that Chance has said this, would not be willing to trust Chance EVER.

Anne wrote on Tue, 20 August 2013 01:16

"{Chance...} want to know why Val feels like she has to go armed."


WTF? A cop can't understand this???? Bullshit. Every day they see what happens when someone wasn't armed. (and sometimes when someone was, I'll admit). I'd bet that most cops prefer their spouses to be armed, at least some of the time.

Ellen
Re: After graduation [message #8197] Sat, 24 August 2013 11:37 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Actually I can't see unwinding this at this point. Val has been on a self destructive arc for some time. If she is left alone with Chance who likes her he will ask questions. If he approaches it straight on she's going to try to brush it off. So he's going to approach it again from an angle. At some point because Val is emotionally at the ragged edge he is going to cause her to cry. This is almost inevitable. How many of us have been made cry (not intentionally either) by our SO because he stepped on a landmine that had nothing to do with what we were currently talking about except tangentially?

So the unwind has to happen differently. Mike is going to be like a protective bear. I would personally rather have one of the other girls take Chance' hand and lead him off to the mess hall and say, 'Chance, we all like Val and we are not going to tell tales on her. You can't stay here because we don't have a free room. We will try to get Val to answer your questions when she's a little less emotionally shattered.'

I elect Kathy to give this speech. She has the presence to carry menace without a weapon. A tazer is a weapon and will be seen as such. Most of the time you cannot (even in your own house) show a weapon to someone who has not first shown you one. But Kathy has a certain presence. Remember people call her 'sir' if she is irritated....
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This brings to mind a certain conversation a deputy sheriff had with someone whom he stopped just over the state line from his home state. The person insisted that the sheriff was out of his jurisdiction. His answer was that the person had broken the law and that he could stop them wherever he saw them. Further that in most circumstances he could out of uniform hold them in a citizen's arrest.

As for going armed or not? Chance may simply want to assess the threat level. Often times if the person (Val in this case) has not yet made a definite commitment then he will see her as possibly a threat. Will he ask to see Val's concealed carry permit? Does Val have a concealed carry permit? Or is it Eugine's permit?

Heavy industrial security is going to set off his alarms one way or another too. Simply put most people do not live this way. They don't have the mind set. Questions will be asked. When threats are issued, and again the tazer is a threat, and I contend that it is issued with minimal provocation, escalation occurs. If neither party backs off then eventually there is going to be deadly force. Now Tuck may decide that no longer associating with Chance is a good idea. Then again Tuck already felt that way and his friends left him alone with Chance. The girls have evaluated Chance as yummy.... They will leave him alone with Chance. The question is: Why did Mike leave Tuck alone with Chance?
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With respect, it appears to me that you, Anne, are pushing in much the same way that Chance was pushing, against pushback up to and including the Word of God within the Tuckerverse.

Maybe it's time to re-evaluate?

Amy!
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Anne wrote on Sat, 24 August 2013 08:52

This brings to mind a certain conversation a deputy sheriff had with someone whom he stopped just over the state line from his home state. The person insisted that the sheriff was out of his jurisdiction. His answer was that the person had broken the law and that he could stop them wherever he saw them. Further that in most circumstances he could out of uniform hold them in a citizen's arrest.

As for going armed or not? Chance may simply want to assess the threat level. Often times if the person (Val in this case) has not yet made a definite commitment then he will see her as possibly a threat. Will he ask to see Val's concealed carry permit? Does Val have a concealed carry permit? Or is it Eugine's permit?

Heavy industrial security is going to set off his alarms one way or another too. Simply put most people do not live this way. They don't have the mind set. Questions will be asked. When threats are issued, and again the tazer is a threat, and I contend that it is issued with minimal provocation, escalation occurs. If neither party backs off then eventually there is going to be deadly force. Now Tuck may decide that no longer associating with Chance is a good idea. Then again Tuck already felt that way and his friends left him alone with Chance. The girls have evaluated Chance as yummy.... They will leave him alone with Chance. The question is: Why did Mike leave Tuck alone with Chance?


Chance, as you described him is at best a crooked cop. I don't want to think of what at worst could be. Either he believes Tuck and company are breaking the law and is offering to break the law by not reporting them in exchange for getting what he wants or he does not believe they broke the law and is threatening to have the local cops harass them despite the fact they didn't do anything wrong.

This has nothing to do with jurisdiction but with failure to report a crime and/or harassing people who he knows didn't commit a crime.
Re: After graduation [message #8201] Mon, 26 August 2013 02:00 Go to previous messageGo to previous message
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Okay, gang. How's about everybody take a deep breath and calm down.

This whole thread started out as an e-mail exchange between me and Ellen, mostly as an exercise in whimsy. On the whole it's been fun but lately things have gotten bogged down and I mostly blame myself for that.

I fucked up when I posted the bits after Chance and Valerie got back to the Starlite where I had Mike giving out Too Much Information and starting to get confrontational, and where I had Debbie giving out Even More Information and making veiled threats.

Ellen had it right when she had Mike say, "That information is classified."

Let's do some author stuff and build a character profile for Chance. As I see it:
-Chance is probably around 25,
-A low-level cop who doesn't make a lot of money (cops don't and he'd have mentioned any higher rank),
-Living in an apartment with a max of two roommates but more probably none,
-Probably has something like an AA in Police Science as well as his rookie training,
-Has more of a Clue than the average cop about alternative sexuality due to his experience in the One Seven but not anywhere the amount that Jack has,
-Likes to shoot, which is an expensive hobby even with probable police discounts,
-Encounters members of the gang at the range, so he knows they have guns and isn't concerned because they've demonstrated that they know how, when and when not to use them.
-Is generally a Good Guy.

He's interested/intrigued by Valerie but the echoes to his pings aren't standard: he makes her nervous for no reason that he can see and she gives off a vibe that's kinda-sorta like the unusual people he runs into in the One Seven.

The nervousnes raises a red flag because that's an indication of abuse.

When presented with a problem the normal thing for a guy to do is want to fix it. Chance is a cop and this tendency is intensified by that, plus he's not going to take "none of your business" or "that's classified" easily.

So, for the sake of the story, and without getting off into various other topics, let's just postulate that Chance will take Mike's and Debbie's word for it when they tell him that the best
thing to do is to back off until Val's leg heals and she feels better.

He still feels that she's probably homosexual, a crossdresser or maybe something else but that's something to be addressed later.

So how about restarting from here:

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By the time Chance got Valerie back to the Starlite she'd calmed down to the occasional hiccup and sniffle. "Sorry I got you all wet."

"My sister's brats got considerably worse on me. I wound up having to babysit them almost every weekday evening my Senior year - three and five-and-a-half."

"Me too, most of my Junior and Senior years. Well, not for my sister, for a family who wanted help. Eighteen months and eight, plus Miz Parker had another little girl that summer. They were getting ready to move into a larger house when I graduated so I dodged that bullet."

Chance and Valerie chatted for a bit but Valerie kept dropping off during the conversation. Mike had been keeping an eye on things from across the lobby and came over at that point. "Valerie, time for you to get to bed." Valerie only protested a little as Jill and Kim took her to the elevators.

Mike and Chance watched them go. Chance said, "Something must have happened to her."

Mike's face went flat. "That information is classified."

"Why would anyone attack a beautiful girl? They didn't rape her, did they?"

"No," Mike answered, "and that is all I'll tell you. You'll have to ask Val about the why of it."

Chance's posture relaxed a little. "Okay; that's good; it's something I always worry about. I'm glad I've never stopped a rapist - I'm afraid I'll shoot him someplace painful and watch him bleed out." Chance shook his head a little. "Please forget I said that."

"Said what?"

"Thanks. Is there anything I can do?"

"Just back off."

Debbie and Kathy joined Mike and Chance. Debbie said, "Let me walk you out."

Debbie led Chance out toward the parking lot. Kathy stayed behind and once the two were through the doors she said to Mike, "That wasn't too bad."

"Yeah. Glad Debbie showed up, though."

"Kim called us. Why is it every time Val gets anywhere close to a guy it all turns to shit?"

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On their way out of the building Chance asked Debbie, "Can you tell me anything about what's gotten Val so, uh...."

Debbie answered, "She gets really wrapped in her job, and her leg makes it impossible to do things to blow off steam like dancing, running, skydiving, that kind of thing."

"And you're sure that there's nothing I can do?"

"Yes, I'm sure. Just back off and let her get healed up."

Chance sighed. "Okay."








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