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 Topic: Did we miss the 20th anniversary of Tuck?
Did we miss the 20th anniversary of Tuck? [message #8505] Tue, 10 January 2017 23:22
LuLou  is currently offline LuLou
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I know the forums are mostly dead with Ellen being MIA for three years now, but one of us should have caught it. Some fans we are. <hangs head in shame>

LuLou
 Topic: A Hell of a roller coaster...
A Hell of a roller coaster... [message #8495] Thu, 28 January 2016 01:11
iWindoze  is currently offline iWindoze
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I'm currently working a job where I suddenly find myself behind a computer waiting for a phone to ring which rarely does, so I wait. I wait a lot. Unfortunately there is no internet access to outside but fortunately there is email and I am allowed to email myself stuff to read... I've decided to re-read the Tucky Saga.

Holy shit, I'd forgotten what a roller coaster the saga is. Reeling from hysterical laughter to dolorous depression and anger sometimes within the same chapter. I don't know if I was just remembering the happier parts or if I'd just blocked out the bad stuff somehow. It could even be that maybe I grew up somewhat between the time I began reading and now have a bit more empathy? I don't know.

I didn't remember how much Tuck hurt from everything happening around him and to him. How much it pained him to simply ask to be left alone as he was and not have to choose to fit into preconceived notions of gender. I actually saw beyond the fantasy possibilities of the Tuck\Valerie\Debbie\Lisa triangle and saw how unsteady that relationship was for the first time. I saw how much they both hurt. And how much Tuck's refusal or inability to stand up to her destroyed the relationship, just as much as Debbie's insecurities and Lisa's need for Debbie at the exclusion of all else.

I'm still only about 2/3 the way through but reading it all in one go has opened my eyes a bit to how much foreshadowing there was in the series to later events thematically. I'm blown away.

I really wish there would be more written but I understand why after nineteen years it might be more and more difficult to be the character, to see and empathize with him after so much has changed around me. I've seen it before with a fanfic writer who spent some ten years or more writing his stories after which he had to tie it off and quit because the character he was writing seemed unrelatable to him after becoming such a different person. I only wish that the Saga and Tucky Seasons had managed to be complete first.

Still as Ellen warns us in the commentary to part 29, "Hopefully, by this time, anyone who thinks that this series will end up in a mindlessly happy ending has left." It was increasingly unlikely that there would be a happy ending or resolution we would all be happy with. Maybe in the original draft of Tucky Seasons there could be the semblance of a happy ending (at least a hint towards one) but that was a fanfic, by nature not required to be realistic. Ditto for the Bikini Beach interlude taking place after or between the acts there.

One thing I was surprised about was the lack of magic in the series. It often seemed like Ellen was hinting at there being deeper events taking place, with the relationship between Tuck and Mike and the blood oaths, some sort of urban fantasy just waiting to bubble up through the side door.... It never seemed to gel on screen though, always in the background with things left unsaid. Oh well, Tuck never promised us he was a reliable narrator.

Regardless, I've enjoyed (am enjoying) this trip through the story again. I thank you Ellen for sharing it with us and I appreciate and thank the rest of my fellow tuckerspawn for sharing it with me.

--iWindoze
 Topic: Jane Thompson would really enjoy this
Jane Thompson would really enjoy this [message #8494] Sun, 25 October 2015 12:28
mkemp  is currently offline mkemp
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It's an ad showing Japanese boys undergoing makeovers:
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/shiseido-schoolgirls-ad_5628994fe4b0 aac0b8fbb03c?utm_hp_ref=style&ir=Style&section=style

Of course, it was simpler because the kids are rather androgynous to start with.
 Topic: Val Or...
Val Or... [message #8432] Mon, 26 May 2014 12:24
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The mail held a small box. *Business cards?  Old customs die slowly.*  I slit the tape
with a nail.  Just as was ordered:
  Valerie Tucker, Ph.D.
  Conway Strategic Cyberdefense Fellow, DARPA

Dad would have been proud.  *Was proud,* I reminded myself. He'd seen me get the
job, just not the cards.  I blinked a few times. *Damn, need to fix my eyes.*  Or
maybe never show my face in public again.  *Shouldn't have stopped by work today.
Not a good day to be alone, but I'm the one who insisted.*  But given where I was 
headed it would be Ok to be a raccoon.

*Lynn Conway _Fellow_? I need a talk to Deb about DOD 'humor.'* 

The pitiful substitute for a 500-set bell interrupted my thoughts. I picked up. 
"Sleepover at Deb's tonight" said a familiar voice.

*Wait, was that the secure phone?*

Out through the lobby I paused as my hip ached.  *No, I am not getting that old.*   
Lobby TV showed Mike live on CNN in LA at the dedication of the new wing of 
George Lucas Hospital.  *Too public a commitment for the Surgeon General to get 
out of.  Dammit I need you mano.*

Beltway traffic overloaded my targeting computer so I switched it off and my music 
on. Eventually security waved my Tesla through the gates at Arlington, and I glided 
around the drive into a parking space.  *About half limos, typical.*  I still preferred 
to drive myself.

*Mirror check.*

*Yep, raccoon.* But I would be completely excused.

I hugged Mom in her wheelchair and then Brian before sitting between him and Trav.
He was was holding Little Jody who reached with a hungry look so I unbuttoned and 
she latched on. *Dammit girl, you're teething. Don't bite mom.*  *Ouch.*  Telepathy 
FAIL.  *Who is that older man at the end?  Naah, can't be."

*Hellicopters are too noisy to be used by humans* I decided, but Jody didn't fuss too 
much. A couple minutes later the President came by, bent down, and said something
I couldn't hear to Mom.  But I did hear the sobs.  Oddly, as I glanced over, I saw Mom
smile.

I'm not sure how I felt when I dropped the handful of moist red clay into the chasm 
holding Dad's coffin.  A while later we were at Deb's.  *I don't really remember the 
last two hours.*

The older man from graveside was here too and I recognized. *That's a surprise.* 

"Dawson?"

"Secretary Dawson to you, Tucker."

"Department of Education.  Suits you. I lost track of your career somewhere between 
City Council and Governor."

"Well, a lot of it's in the biography.  Didn't we teach you to read at McAllen?"

*Mike? He's across the continent. Why do I feel like he's here?*  Mike walked in along 
with Sabrina.  He just grabbed my hands.  

Sabrina hummed "Sing a Song of Sixpence" to Little Jody and winked at me.  

*Can't be.  We no longer fly them.*   

*Officially.* 

Lisa came in the room.  She made one hell of a First Lady.  *Pushing Mom's chair?*

Something was definitely up.

Deb finally entered and after hugs stepped to the dais.  And used her President 
Carstairs voice.

"I've gathered you for a few words that can't leave this room.  Likely it won't be 
declassfied in our lifetimes, though I've tried to ensure that Little Jody will have an 
opportunity to know about her grandfather.

"We all know that William Tucker---Bill---was a true patriot and a highly decorated 
hero in Vietnam. Survivor guilt on his face every Memorial Day.

"What you don't know is what he did that literally changed the direction this country 
could have gone.

"In mid 2001 Bill, with Tuck's help, was debugging a Freehold email account used by 
a student at a Florida flight school.  Tuck amused himself and broke the encryption. 
Then it was no longer amusing.

Bill's act that summer in bringing this to the attention of the right member of 
Congress is a national secret, directly leading to constitutional crisis of that year and
eventual impeachment of Bush the Lesser for treasonous disregard of our nation's 
security for political ends.  He did our foreign policy and our economy enough 
damage in eight months.

"Imagine if had been eight years.

"What you don't know is that this thwarted a terrorist plot that came very close to 
fruition.  I won't minimize our tragedy in the skies the day that several passengers 
were injured and killed by our air marshalls.  But had that not happened, the 
hijackers might have succeeded in their unthinkable violence and used airliners as 
missiles to damage, maybe destroy, landmark buildings up and down this coast.  
Maybe this historic home.  Maybe the Capital or the Pentagon.  Maybe the New York 
skyline would have changed.  

"Bill altered the course of American history for the better.  Someday his story will be 
told.  But for our lifetimes, the privacy he so valued protects his legacy.  May he rest 
in the peace he preserved for our nation.

Later that night after our tears were gone Deb switched on the grin.  "I've got an idea."


 Topic: Happy Horseshit! ;)
Happy Horseshit! ;) [message #6536] Mon, 27 December 2010 13:55
iWindoze  is currently offline iWindoze
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We don't really have an "off topic" section on the board so I'm dropping this here in hopes it will be close enough...

Happy holidays folks. Ignore the horse comment, it's something my Dad says that I laughed at. Hope everyone got what they wanted for the holidays and that people are staying warm in the colder climates. Good luck with the upcoming year everyone!

--iWindoze
 Topic: Is the story done?
Is the story done? [message #6391] Tue, 01 June 2010 12:38
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Being the maniacal insomniac that I am I ended up reading the entire saga practicly non-stop. The only breaks where for Dr. Who, the occassional mandatory meal with my mother (parentals, they never give up even when your 30), and trips to pick up more Dew. Oh the joy of chronic insomnia preventing sleep for multiple days in a row and a lousy economy where I'm laid off and don't even have to go to work to work off some of the tensions.

So I finished the entire saga up to this point and was enthralled with it. I started to read some of the fan-fic as well. However I noticed that the last release date for the Saga of Tuck's main story was well over a year ago. Has Ellen given up writing more of this saga? I truly look forward to more of this rather epic tale of life, childhood, self identity, and friendship as so much of it reminds me of my own childhood in so many ways (other than the lack of paranoid para-militaristic parents in my own life). But it looks, at first glance, that she has decided to forgo any more writing.

I ask this not to complain, but to encourage Ellen, if you read this, to write more. I myself do some writing and only recently decided to try to dip into TG fiction myself, most of my own writing having been done in a sci-fi fantasy bent rather than anything approaching reality. I know it can be hard, when life starts kicking, to find those creative juices. Just know I look forward to more of this wonderous saga that has helped me face some old demons once more and assure myself that I can continue life and that I am making the right choices for myself.

Also, is Chapter 9 supposed to be the end of Tuck Season? That story was actually what led me to discover Tuck and am hoping that more will come and evolve from that as well.
 Topic: Vote yet?
Vote yet? [message #6074] Tue, 04 November 2008 13:39
LuLou  is currently offline LuLou
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It's Election Day in America, and even if there's no one you want to vote for, there may be someone you want to vote against.

Californians are also voting on Proposition 8, essentially a referendum on gay marriage, and you may have seen some sites dropping Google Ads due to some fairly slanted ads.

And then there's this: http://www.haspresidentobamabeenassassinatedyet.com/
That guy's going to Hell.

LuLou
 Topic: Happy Birthyday Valerie
Happy Birthyday Valerie [message #6068] Fri, 31 October 2008 09:45
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Today's Valerie's Birthday (or is that birthyday?). It was on Halloween that Debbie suggested 'Valerie' as a name for Tuck to use while dressed up as a biker chick.

Happy Halloween Tucker fans.
 Topic: Hey, Eugene
Hey, Eugene [message #5470] Tue, 30 October 2007 01:06
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Has anybody else heard the album, Hey, Eugene by Pink Martini? The title track is pretty funny, though nothing like our Eugene--Mike's no skinhead. Very Happy Razz

- Erin
 Topic: The return of the Debbie
The return of the Debbie [message #5127] Wed, 11 April 2007 14:33
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Hi.

I just got finished re reading the saga. And as always, there were new things that I picked up that I missed on previous reads.

The most interesting, at least as far as current storyline goes is Debbie and the posibility that she still has feelings for tuck.

There is the obvious parts of her helping out with mike in the hospital. Her standing up for Val against her parents and the parkers.

But all these could be attributed to just common decency or debbies mercenary ways.

But there seems to be more than that. A few times we get peeks into how Lisa thinks of Tuck, and that she is anoyed she cant convince debbie to agrea.

If debbie is so over tuck, why would this be bugging Lisa?

And for Direct evidance of continued interest. Here is a litle bit nipped from 125

********************************************************
"So, uh, should I give the costume back to you now, or-"
Debbie said, "Just give it to me Monday, or, um... are you doing
that Sunday thing?"
*Don't show up PLEASE don't show up-* "Y-yeah?"
"Give it to Sabrina or Kim, and she'll give it to me."
"Okay." The rush of relief made me ask, "Do you want me to clean
it?"
"Oh, could you?" she pleaded, and then when my sanity came back I
was stuck with doing it. *Damnit!*
Pause.
Debbie said, "You look really nice in that."
"What?!" I wasn't sure I'd heard right.
"Nothing," she snapped, shaking her head, and turned away.
********************************************************

This to me sounds suspiciously like debbie IS interested, perhaps in spite of her own better judgment, but the interest is there.

So, how can this play out?

Well Tuck just got involved with Jill, but that already looks rocky. Jill seems interested in Tuck, but NOT to Val. And it sounds like she is having a minor freak out about it.

Kim's issues might even be allong the same lines, atracted to tuck/val and worying that makes her lesbian.

But there is not anough data there to draw firm conclusions.

How is all this going to play out in the face of debbies possible interest?

I am looking forward to finding out in 127, which I am eagerly awaiting. (Nope that is NOT a hint or a nudge. So please Ellen stop hitting me)

Natasha
 Topic: The Fun They Had
The Fun They Had [message #4792] Sun, 01 October 2006 16:21
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http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/education/5382994.stm

The Tuckers are ahead of the wave technologically-speaking. This is something they could probably do if they put their minds to it - for the if-it-happens homeschoolers...


Rachel
 Topic: Car Stuff
Car Stuff [message #4232] Tue, 15 November 2005 06:18
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I typed this up some time ago, but I don't believe I ever posted it. Since Ellen's asking about character birthdays, I thought it might be useful as a starting point of sorts:

Figured I'd summarize this here in case someone else found it useful for fanfics or wanted to add something I missed or reach further conclusions.

At the start of the story (and probably at least since the start of school in fall '96, since it's a routine thing by the time the story starts), Mike and Debbie have cars and driver's licenses.

(I think it's safe to assume that everyone driving in the story is legal, unless we learn otherwise in the future. But it's almost certainly true in those two cases: obviously Mike's parents and Debbie's mother know about their kids' cars, and in their jobs, it'd be very embarrassing--or worse--if anyone learned they had children driving with a forged license or without a license.)

So does Lisa. (And so does Bobby McPhearson, since the things he's arrested for don't include car theft or driving without a license. But I'm not going to list other incidental players here as we go on. I'll also skip Rachel and Jack and Susan and others who are obviously older than our main cast.)

Travis very probably does; if he'd taken the bus to the mall on November 1 he'd most likely have asked Lisa or somebody for a ride home, though he could have already arranged to have someone else pick him up. Anyway, we know he has a truck by the time of his date with Valerie on December 13.

In January, Kim's driving her mom's car. Later that year, the text strongly implies that the car she's driving at that time is hers, so presumably in the meantime she either buys one of her own or (more likely?) buys or "inherits" the same car from her mother.

In February, Pam's driving a minivan. We eventually discover that it belongs to her parents.

In March, Amanda brings a car to the weekend gaming session and drives Tuck from Mike's to Debbie's. Sabrina has a car, because unlike everyone else there she doesn't need a ride back from Debbie's after the homework/Debbie's taxes gathering.

Earlier that month, a minivan materializes for Da Boyz' revenge attack; though Book is driving it at the time, it's Dan who's particularly concerned about their changing the license plate, and we learn on a later occasion that Dan "occasionally borrows" a minivan from his mother. A minivan turns up again on the May 4 excursion to tap Nickerson's home phone, with no reference to the owner or driver. (Dan is present, along with Mike, Jill and Tuck; we don't know whether Book is there.) By the fall, the vehicle Da Boyz are using is definitely Dan's responsibility.

(Actually, this is the one point where there might be a question about driving legally: is Book driving the van on March 22 because Dan's underage and not licensed yet?)

In April, Kathy drives Debbie's car, since she can handle a manual transmission. Does she have her own car at the time? It doesn't seem likely; there's nothing explicit in the narrative about her driving anywhere on her own until the Homecoming dance in October, and there's at least one day where we find that she didn't bring a car to work.

In May, Julia brings a car to Debbie's end-of-school dinner, and we encounter it several times after that. (Actually, Julia was driving it earlier in the month, when she and Tuck met for dinner and a concert.)

Eric

[Updated on: Tue, 15 November 2005 07:14]

 Topic: Potential problem
Potential problem [message #3968] Thu, 28 July 2005 18:31
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It just occured to me (while reading the discusion of team names and cheerleaders) that whoever put Tuck into that cheerleader outfit had to have seen him naked.

This has the possibility of some very unwanted info going around. Or coming out at trial. Tuck's shape is just a *bit* too female to go entirely unnoticed under those circumstances.

It's still possible for people to see what they expect to see, but it's not certain anymore. And given that they were already thinking "fag" and the like, there's at least a chance that one of the involved parties actually *noticed* Tucks breasts.

Dunno where that might go, but it could go several places that would cause trouble if it gets mentioned to (say) a lawyer defending the person who noticed.

[Updated on: Thu, 28 July 2005 18:32]

 Topic: Far too appropriate... (When Tucks Go Wrong!)
icon6.gif  Far too appropriate... (When Tucks Go Wrong!) [message #2824] Mon, 15 November 2004 11:53
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So there I was, thinking about stories. Thinking on Babs Yerunkle's new Jade and pining wistfully for more Tuckness when I catch a link from a LJ to a new webcomic and find... this...

http://venusenvy.keenspace.com/d/20011203.html

-giggle- It was truly a Tuck moment and I was not even expecting it. Val certainly seemed to be in a bit of a bad spot.

Err... okay, I stop rambling now. -sheep-

-r

[Updated on: Mon, 15 November 2004 11:55]

 Topic: Another Possible Location
Another Possible Location [message #2139] Sat, 28 August 2004 04:55
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I noticed three references in the narrative to a local institution called Deighton University, while reading through it again this past week. There is, of course, a city named Dayton in Ohio, and a University of Dayton in that city.

I've never been there (closest I got was Xenia, about 15 or so miles away, and that was something like 20 years ago), but from what I found online it works reasonably well, at least in some ways. Plenty of suburban towns and affluent-sounding outer neighborhoods in the area (and a decayed central city that the suburbanites would want to stay away from, according to a 2001 USA Today sidebar to an article about urban sprawl). More than a dozen high schools in the county, all four-year schools (though none with names like McAllen or Red Bluff/Red Hills), and some of the school districts still have junior high schools (grades 7-8) rather than middle schools (grades 5-8 or 6-8) -- Tuck says that Brian's at a junior high.

[For those in the UK and elsewhere unfamiliar with the U.S. school structure, it's kindergarten (at age 5) and then twelve grades, usually split into three schools: elementary (used to be K-6 until middle schools started replacing junior highs) and then middle school/junior high and finally high school (freshman year is ninth grade, followed by sophomore, junior and senior). In some areas ninth grade used to be part of junior high, with high school beginning at the sophomore year (tenth grade).]

As with Cincinnati, the nearest amusement park to Dayton is King's Island, probably about an hour or so away depending on traffic. Dayton's close enough to Cincinnati (about 55 miles) to follow their major league sports teams (the minor league baseball team in Dayton now and its fairly good-sized ballpark weren't there yet in 1997). There's a Dayton International Airport, though no direct flights from there to Los Angeles (plenty with one change of planes, but that increases the flight time well beyond what Ellen described).

Dayton's in the same time zone as New York (the narrative says that Tuck's area and Amy's are an hour different) but I don't think anybody's found a way to make that work no matter where we put Tuck. (Some of Indiana stays an hour behind from March through October by not going onto Daylight Time, but not the two counties closest to Cincinnati (or to King's Island).) If we're in Dayton, then Susan isn't attending Ohio State University in Columbus -- it's too close for Rachel's long drive there -- but the narrative never said that she was. (I'm not sure anywhere in Ohio is far enough -- maybe Cleveland?)

Eric
 Topic: Happy Birthyday Tuck!
Happy Birthyday Tuck! [message #1767] Sat, 03 April 2004 16:55
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Just a reminder that today is Tuck's 23rd birthyday! So, everybody celebrate in their own way by doing something fun that will confuse or worry the mundanes! Twisted Evil Very Happy Twisted Evil
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 Topic: Happy new year?
icon5.gif  Happy new year? [message #8478] Sat, 27 December 2014 18:56
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Well another year is mostly gone. The main questions we all have are these; Will there be any more episodes of Tuck? Is Ellen healthy and able to write?
 Topic: Season chapter 16 is up
Season chapter 16 is up [message #6846] Sat, 28 May 2011 21:38
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Like the thread header says.

Things Happen, and there are literally laugh-out-loud passages.

Absolutely lovely, Ellen. Thanks.
 Topic: Tuck Season
Tuck Season [message #6806] Thu, 28 April 2011 19:04
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ellen has chapter 15 up on her site.

[Updated on: Thu, 28 April 2011 19:46]

 Topic: New Tuck Note + Chap 10 of Tucky Season up
New Tuck Note + Chap 10 of Tucky Season up [message #6431] Mon, 19 July 2010 22:30
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No one posted a notice about them going up so I will even tho they have been up for awhile. So yep we get more Tuck!!! YAYAYAYAYAYAYAY!!!!!


-To what world will you find your soul given when you do nothing to preserve it?
 Topic: Search Party?
Search Party? [message #6095] Fri, 28 November 2008 07:03
Eric  is currently offline Eric
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I hate to ask, since Ellen's under no obligation to keep her site or us updated.

Still, it's now been six weeks since Ellen signed on at TuckerSpawn and of course longer than that (about nine) since she last updated her own site.

Is anyone here capable of contacting her or her SO in some more tangible way than email? Quite apart from the story, I think a lot of us want to know how she's doing.

Eric


 Topic: Slight Database Problem - Missing Posts?
Slight Database Problem - Missing Posts? [message #6060] Thu, 23 October 2008 00:19
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Looks like we may have lost the two most recent posts when I repaired the database after a soft crash. I've no idea whose posts they were so if you see yours is missing, repost. It would have been after the 18th, maybe after the 20th.

It's also possible the soft crash was caused by a cracker trying to force posts in and the two missing posts were bogus.

- Erin
 Topic: Server Move
Server Move [message #5424] Tue, 23 October 2007 17:07
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Due to the aging of the Texas/Classic server, Tuckerspawn will be moved to a new server sometime during the next few weeks. More info when I get it. Shouldn't be down more than a few days and should be no loss of messages except maybe for one or two that fall through a time warp. Smile

- Erin
 Topic: See new Tucknote
See new Tucknote [message #5244] Sun, 22 July 2007 05:32
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http://www.barkingduck.net/ehayes/ of course

Erin
 Topic: Tigger's page is back up
Tigger's page is back up [message #4488] Wed, 26 April 2006 01:10
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Since Tuck Season doesn't make a lot of sense without the original Seasons stories I figure this is of interest to folks.

Not sure when it came back. It wasn't up a couple months back.
 Topic: Birthday Surprise
Birthday Surprise [message #4464] Tue, 04 April 2006 04:39
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Looks like someone decided to celebrate Tuck's birthday by sending Ellen's guestbook 190 pieces of spam (as of 0115 PDT).

Coincidence?
 Topic: Just a reminder...
Just a reminder... [message #3717] Tue, 14 June 2005 03:42
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Not that everyone can, but those of us who can should not forget to use the Donation link on Ellen's site to help support our favored websaga and Ellen.

- Erin
 Topic: New email address
New email address [message #1426] Thu, 27 November 2003 11:33
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Check Ellen's email page. Also Tucknotes. She changed her email address.
 Topic: Technical problems fixed
Technical problems fixed [message #615] Sun, 24 November 2002 00:06
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Apparently with no loss of messages, thanks, Dave.

Erin
Forum: TG or Not TG
 Topic: Joy Ladin discussing gender and transition on NPR
Joy Ladin discussing gender and transition on NPR [message #8477] Sun, 14 December 2014 21:30
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I happened to be driving when 'On Being' came on NPR today. Normally, the show makes me feel uncomfortable because it is so often at odds with my own rather diffident and somewhat unwilling sense of spirituality, and I was about to change the channel when I caught the subject of the episode. I decided to listen after all.

I have not had such a shock of self-recognition since the first time I read the Principia Discordia (long story). I was hearing Joy express feelings I was afraid were unique to myself, feelings so painful and raw I had rarely stated them to anyone except my therapist, even some feelings I had never admitted even to myself. It was so hard for me to listen that I had to stop, but I heard one last thing before I did: that the full interview was on their website.

Eventually, I did listen to the whole thing, but it was rather a catharsis and while I'm glad I did, it was rough on me.

Anyway, I thought some of the others here might want to hear it as well.
 Topic: Living in a funhouse mirror
Living in a funhouse mirror [message #8467] Sun, 02 November 2014 12:09
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While I have never been closeted about my sexual orientation, I am finding - to paraphrase Tuck - that gender issues are a lot more complicated than homosexuality. At least for me they are. But at least now I am talking about them, both to my therapist and to my family.

So far, I have been and remain fortunate to be as accepted as I have been, but that doesn't help the confusion.

For years I have played with the idea that I am genderqueer. I certainly have never been comfortable in my skin, feeling like a passenger in a vehicle someone else - someone completely nuts - is in control of. I hate my body, and not just because - as most people assume - I weigh in excess of 450 pounds. Even when I was thin - yes, there was a time I was thin, even I tend to forget that - I hated my body just as passionately. Corporeal existence itself seems a curse to me.

I know, without question, that I don't feel male - that the role I am playing is an act, and one I feel certain everyone is seeing through, at that. Yet I can't seem to stop playing it, being to afraid to find an alternative.

I've never felt female, either, though; at least, I don't think I have. I wouldn't know a thing about being female in our society.

Gender roles, on the whole, are a black box to me.

And yet... there's always been a part of me that has wanted to experiment with being female. I don't really think it would be 'really' me any more than being Joseph is, or even being Jay (which I see as two different roles, the latter being at least closer to who I 'really am'), but somehow, I have this itch that I can't seem to scratch. I'm not sure I could with anything less than a TFD, a la El Goonish Shive or Umlaut House.

I certainly don't fetishize clothing - in fact, I hate clothing of all kinds, especially men's business and formal attire, and I am a naturist by habit, at least when I am alone, and except for having funny pictures on t-shirts, I find dressing for anything other than comfort and protection meaningless. Or so I always thought; but if that's so true, why is the idea of trying to dress 'as a woman' so frightening and yet appealing to me?

If I could, I would change back and forth at will, but I think, somehow, that the female is closer to the real me than the male. Does that make me bi-gendered? Perhaps, but again, the social roles are a closed book to me, I just don't understand them.

What makes this complicated is that there is a definite streak of autogynephilia in the mix as well, a fetishizing of taking female form physically. It's an embarrassing thing to admit, but most of my sexual fantasies do involve me as a female, usually with another female but often with a male. My fantasy life is a very mixed up thing, though, and that's maybe 75% of the time; the other times, either I am a male (not necessarily my own body), or I am simply observing from the outside, not participating at all. Despite what that idiot Blanchard (or whatever his name is) may think, though, it is clear to me that this is a separate issue from my gender confusion. The gender role is the important factor, and most of the time, I feel as if I want to reject both of the commonly accepted roles entirely.

I don't even know what to call myself. Genderqueer? Androgyne? Bi-gender? None of the above? Or am I simply transgendered and in denial? I honestly, truly do not know, and that is what really scares me most of all.

I often said, when I first came out about my sexuality, that I knew from that start that the question wasn't either/or for me, but both/neither. It turned out to be both. But for gender, it seems even more complex, and harder to pin down. I have no idea where this is going to take me, and I am afraid.

[Updated on: Sun, 02 November 2014 12:13]

 Topic: The Wotch is back
The Wotch is back [message #7013] Sat, 15 October 2011 18:42
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I don't know if anyone here is interested but it was my first webcomic.

Anyway it appears it came back from hiatus in August. Link to last page before hiatus

Jen
 Topic: 1st Shop of Coffee Prince
1st Shop of Coffee Prince [message #6338] Tue, 20 October 2009 20:49
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http://i203.photobucket.com/albums/aa13/imedias7udio/CoffeePrince.jpg


I don't know how many people here are into watching international television series, but considering the drek that is American TV these days I'm forced to look elsewhere for my entertainment these days. I saw this with my sister awhile back, we both enjoyed it quite a bit and are looking forward to the sequels. (So long as they don't ruin them by making them without as much of the original cast as possible.)

Somehow I doubt a Season Two can be as good now that my favorite "prince" can never be in it. Lee Eon who was Hwang Min-yeop died in a tragic motorcycle accident while riding home from the cast party of his then latest drama. When rewriting the storylines for the series from the book it was based on Lee Sun Mi added several elements and fleshed out the characters of the princes. I think Hwang Min-yeop's character was more or less created on the spot and Lee Eon was just perfect as a young man with more brawn than brains who nonetheless knew he was a man in love. The scene with him and Go Eun Chan's sister in the park was one of the most moving scenes I've seen.

Since there has been little news about doing a CP2, it looks like the producers are going to wait for Gong Yoo (Choi Han Kyul, the male lead) to finish his mandatory military duty before they green light the project. I was worried because there were some rumors about them going ahead and filming without him, which would have ruined the whole thing. Both he and Yoon Eun Hye (the female lead) had an on screen chemistry that was very believable. Trying to go it without either of them... Thank God the producers came to their senses!

So what's the series all about?

1st Shop of Coffee Prince was a popular 2007 South Korean drama about a tomboyish girl (Yoon Eun Hye as Go Eun Chan) constantly confused for a boy who gets hired to pretend to be a homosexual lover by a rich playboy (Gong Yoo as Choi Han Kyul) who doesn't know she's actually a girl to help him get out of an arranged marriage. Then later, when his family puts him to the test and requires the young playboy to make a failing tea shop successful again in three months time or lose out on his inheritance he recruits her to work alongside several other young men to entice customers from nearby colleges and offices filled with young ladies.

As time goes on Han Kyul begins to fall in love with Go Eun Chan, but still thinking she is a man he struggles with the idea he might really be a homosexual, and not just pretending to get out of those arranged marriages. The biggest draw of the series is the raw emotions shown by each actor as they grapple with the intense emotions involved and choosing whether to bravely strike out in pursuit of love or run away and never know what might have been. Of course, even after that, there's still the explosive revelation of Go Eun Chan's true gender...

The series features several subplots, giving each of the main characters an engrossing back story and features a parallel romance between the leading man's cousin whose on again and off again relationship with his fiancee has been eating away at him. Keep an eye out for Lee Eon and Han Ye In (Eun Chan's sister) and their mother's love triangle with the former manager of the tea shop and a local meat merchant whose been chasing her for years...

Okay, I'm interested. Where can I find the series online?

I'm glad you asked! Smile

To read the English fanslation of the original novel (warning the TV series deviates from the book quite a bit, though the author was a technical consultant and credited with cowriting the script) see this xanga site: http://coffeeprince.xanga.com/

To watch the series with English translation streamed: http://www.mysoju.com/the-1st-shop-of-coffee-prince/

If you have a megaupload\rapidshare account you can download and watch it in High Quality offline: http://chinkymovies.blogspot.com/2007/08/k-drama-1st-shop-of-coffee-prin ce.html

--iWindoze
 Topic: Re: Not even Ellen could have thought this one up
Re: Not even Ellen could have thought this one up [message #3778] Sat, 25 June 2005 22:10
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http://www.isna.org/

Check the archives of the newsletter.

I feel certain that the poor kid in the quoted article will be enormously aided in coping with these sorts of issues by having the story splashed all over the internet.
 Topic: Middle Sex - Channel 4 documentary, UK
Middle Sex - Channel 4 documentary, UK [message #3593] Thu, 26 May 2005 08:22
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It's on tonight, so I haven't seen it yet. This is the channel's own mini-site about the programme: http://www.channel4.com/health/microsites/M/middle_sex/index.html


Rachel
 Topic: Secret Intersex (Channel 4 documentary, UK)
Secret Intersex (Channel 4 documentary, UK) [message #1770] Wed, 07 April 2004 15:44
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This could be of interest to people here, I thought, and definitely on-topic:

So, the homepage for the program is here, and is pretty good, I thought: http://www.channel4.com/health/microsites/H/health/magazine/sex/health_i ntersex.html

And someone ripped it!

We've got some bittorrents up at: http://www.strangenoises.org.uk/torrents/. The filenames should be self-explanatory. As I write there's just part 1, but I'm receiving part 2 for seeding later this evening. Also, these files are large and in a funky xvid format (but very high quality video), so if we're able, we'll try to transcode a nice compatible and more compact version which would appear later. In the meantime, we need more peers, so feel free to pass this around to others you think would be interested.


Rachel
 Topic: Re: Sleepover with The Pack - more immitate(life, art)
Re: Sleepover with The Pack - more immitate(life, art) [message #475] Fri, 01 November 2002 21:16
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^_^ Great story. I love it when that kinda thing happens.

Whenever we were put into groups for school functions, I was always grouped with a bunch of girls. Which was kinda cool but kinda not, because I never got treated like one of them ;p It was still kinda neat for me though. Better than being grouped with boys ;p But I mean like as early as I can remember, from like 3rd grade up into High School, that'd always happen to me. Fate was trying to tell me something! ;p


-ChangelingJane-
Forum: Other Fanfics
 Topic: Un-Tuck-ing Believable
Un-Tuck-ing Believable [message #8476] Thu, 20 November 2014 18:48
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New short Tuckfic Un-Tuck-ing Believable by Rasufelle at BigCloset.
 Topic: The Taken: Nathan's Story, part 4 ("Life in plastic / It's fantastic")
The Taken: Nathan's Story, part 4 ("Life in plastic / It's fantastic") [message #4529] Thu, 11 May 2006 19:16
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It aten't dead!

I know, it's been a horrifically long time, and I really don't intend there to be another gap like that one. I promise! But things are moving again. I've said a little more about it on my site.

The next chapter will be along in a couple of weeks. It's practically ready to go now, but it's probably better to space them out a bit (just not as much as it's been since the last one, of course). The one after that is in active proofing/editing stage.

As usual, it's at the link in my sig.


Rachel
 Topic: The Taken: Nathan's Story
The Taken: Nathan's Story [message #3479] Sun, 01 May 2005 08:28
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[deleted -- Rachel set up a topic heading while I was writing, so I moved my note.]

[Updated on: Sun, 01 May 2005 08:34]

Forum: New Fanfics
 Topic: Twelve Years After
Twelve Years After [message #8469] Sat, 08 November 2014 17:26
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2010-11-26 1615
I didn't normally go out among the teeming masses on Black Friday for the deals,
but being home for Thanksgiving this year I was was catching up with some old
friends who still lived in town, or who had been visiting home themselves for
the holiday. At the moment, Kim and Pam were showing Jill and myself around
Westmont Mall to see how things had changed, and to get away from family for a
while. We were just coming out of Victoria's Secret when an unfamiliar voice
cried out "Valerie!" in my direction.

I spun around to find myself face to chest with a very tall teenager. I pulled
myself away from the hug, and got a good look at him. He was gangly thin and
even taller than I realized, with long blond hair down his shoulders and a soul
patch on his chin. He had sports glasses on - you know, those goggles some
atheletes who need glasses wear? - and I could see a small stud earring in one
ear. The black ruffled shirt and top hat seemed out of place, but helped me
figure out who it had to be.

"Patrick?" I cried out, surprised to recognize him as much as anything else.

That's when noticed that he had three friends with him, all as tall as he was.
Must be from the team, I figured. I'd heard that Ricky - sorry, Patrick - had
been the star center this year's basketball team, and was known for a certain
eccentricity off the court, of the Gothic persuasion. I wondered if I'd done
something either very wrong or very right.

"Valerie, m'dear, it is wonderful to see you! Last I'd heard you were in
California again," he said with a slight bow.

"Oh, yeah, I'm here for a only a few days. I've been working with the Verres' on
stabilizing morphology changes." I added, pointing to the TF band I was wearing
on my wrist.

He nodded knowingly. "When word of those devices broke, I immediately thought of
you. I'm not surprised you'd want to work on them." He added, "So, how is it to
be a real woman, now?"

"It's... you know, I was surprised. In some ways, it wasn't as different as
you'd expect. By the first time I'd used one, I'd been living as a woman for so
long that it wasn't such a change. But in other ways, it's been a real load
off of my shoulders, as if I were finally a whole person and not just a
patchwork of bits and pieces."

He looked thoughtfully for a moment, then finally said, "Well, I guess it has
to be easier for you, in some ways. I know a lot of people around here would
still wish you ill after the trial, even twelve years later."

I winced at the reminder. The trial against the five jocks who attacked me
in high school had been an ugly, nasty fight that ended up pushing me into
the harsh light of publicity, and was a large part of why I eventually chose to
be 'Valerie' from then on.

[Updated on: Sat, 08 November 2014 18:03]

Forum: Chapter by Chapter
 Topic: 142 Again
142 Again [message #7107] Fri, 15 June 2012 03:27
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Tuck 'dated' Jill but she seemed to be a bit off put by Val. Then Tuck is now 'dating' Pam who seems to only be able to deal with sex with Tuck if he is dressing. Is Pam experimenting with bisexuality?

We know that Tuck is a Chimera...

The main question is how Ellen is going to fit in a camping trip this month if she ever releases another episode is it not?
 Topic: Sarah's tests
Sarah's tests [message #5996] Mon, 08 September 2008 01:54
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Since I was re-reading things somewhat faster (ie more chapters per day) than I usually do, the mention That Susan and Sarah's test results were in and that they "needed to talk" from the doctors combined with other stuff in my head. Plus some personal experience.

Now that I've had the experience of being on T for a while (and dropping it because of the 'roid rage) I strongly suspect that part of Sarah's problem will be high T levels or something related.

The way she flies off the handle fits *way* too well.

Managing to have her have high T levels and still be functionally female requires a bit of a balancing act, but it would explain a lot.

Especially since high T levels in the womb tends to produce hypertrophied clitoris in female babies. Susan obviously missed that but then she's genetically female. Or at least enough to get pregnant.

With Tuck's screwed up genes, he'd likely be more sensitive to that sort of thing anyway.

Susan could have that too. As could Amy's mom (since she's apparently notorious for her temper as well).

Pure speculation, but it would explain a few things.

And we are sort of overdue to find out about it. My guess is that we'll find out during the family Thanksgiving get-together.

It'd be a good time for a min-lecture explaining what's what with Sarah, Susan, Trish, Amy and anybody else whose tests came back weird.

Oh yeah. If the test results say that it'd be a really *bad* idea for Susan to have a kid, I wonder how that will affect her feelings about her abortion.

 Topic: Chap 100-105 rant
Chap 100-105 rant [message #2452] Sat, 25 September 2004 18:35
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Re-reading the last few chapters, I feel a rant at Tuck's parents coming on. Something I *wish* Shiela had enough info to deliver. Since she can't and Tuck couldn't even if he was concious, I'm going to dump it here.

Yes, he lied to you for almost a year. As you yourselves have acknowledged that was because he *knew* how you'd react.

He's undergoing a lot of streess, found something that made his life *less* stressful, and so you make *it* stressful.

Then you compound things by stalking his friends and cutting off the last vestige of a support system he had. To the point where a 9 year old can see that he's hurting and needs comfort.

Then it's compounded by the stress levels being so high that he doesn't dare sleep and you don't *notice* that he hasn't slept in days.

You are worried about the bullies systematically huinting him. But due to being so spaced out and stressed he does something (spitting on Shannon) that starts them systematically hunting him.

And I'm not sure if it's the stress, the lack of sleep, or both, but he either got incredibly careless *or* part of him decided that he *wanted* to die and since he'd promised not to commit suicide, getting careless would make it "not his fault".

You can't even *begin* to make this up to him.
Forum: Future Tuck
 Topic: Tuck's medical future?
Tuck's medical future? [message #8419] Sat, 08 March 2014 17:28
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For informed speculation there's a recent book The 7 Sexes: Biology of Sex Determination, Elof Axel Carlson, Indiana University Press, 2013. Kindle edition is ~$25 with tax.
 Topic: Tuck and Gone
icon9.gif  Tuck and Gone [message #7070] Thu, 17 May 2012 22:25
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It seems that there may not be any more tuck... I know times are hard and that a story that has been in hiatus for several years (as the main saga has been) tends to be hard to restart...

I wish Ellen much happiness and success and wish to encourage her to continue Tuck (even for just one more chapter to wrap it up...)
 Topic: Tucker/Parker Details
Tucker/Parker Details [message #5468] Mon, 29 October 2007 20:42
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At this point (through #133), as far as we know Bill and Sarah don't know that the Parker adults are now aware of Tuck/Val's gender issues.

It seems to me that it's counterproductive not to let Bill and Sarah in on that. One of their fears (Bill's, anyway) is that discovery by the Parkers could lead to some form of legal liability for the Tucker family, along with potential criminal trouble for Tuck.

Knowing that the situation has been defused and that an MAD situation exists there (involving Beth's sister) can't hurt anything and ought to lead to Bill more positively reassessing the whole issue of Valerie's employment.

(And if things are about to go public at school, as seems possible after the bowling incident, Bill may need all the reassurance he can get.)

Eric
Forum: Chapter discussion of Tuck Season...
 Topic: The Double Shot
The Double Shot [message #6923] Wed, 06 July 2011 15:36
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Thanks for the double chapters Ellen. They lit up my day.

Both Charlene and Jane seemed amazed at Val's hair. Had they blocked out that she had that done while she was on the run?
 Topic: latest chapter
latest chapter [message #6474] Fri, 17 September 2010 16:18
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well, ellen seems to be sending tuck back to jane.
 Topic: Tucky Season
Tucky Season [message #5743] Sat, 10 May 2008 22:35
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I know from the discussion that there is the original version and the 5 posted chapters of the new version. I hope that Ellen will finally grace us with a completed new version.
Forum: Geek City
 Topic: Looking for Experienced Wine Users
Looking for Experienced Wine Users [message #6430] Mon, 19 July 2010 22:29
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Okay so after years and years and years of being away from Linux and being corrupted by the evils of the shiney windows OS games I've finally returned and am now sitting on my nice new shiney Ultimate Edition 2.7 installed lappy.

However there are some problems.

Games that I could run on this laptop with no problems at all are either lagging all to hell under Wine or are not running at all and I am hoping to get some help with it.

The primary two culprits are Guild Wars and Dungeons and Dragons Online. What can I say I'm a sucker for free MMO's. Course GW's isn't entirely free, I have sunk just under 100 bucks into buying the game and the various campaigns and the EotN expansion. But meh, it's fun.

Okay Guildwars is my "lagging all to hell" culprit. I checked the wiki entry but it seems that the steps given there are not enough to fix the lag. I get alot of black screen/missing graphics and it lags all to hell and back.

Now I was running GW's with maxed out graphics settings back uner Vista with no problems so I know the computer is powerful enough to do it. So I am guessing that the problem lies in the open source driver that Wine has by default for my graphics chipset. Now I am sure I can hunt down an open source graphic driver however I am not sure how to tell Wine to use it.

Also if you have any other ideas on how to get around this or possible causes I'd be happy to hear it.

Now with DDO, the installer just plain will not run. I tell it to start up with Wine then it just does nothing. *shrugs* DDO's forums where pretty useless in this regards.

Well if anyone gets any ideas gimmie a shout.


-To what world will you find your soul given when you do nothing to preserve it?
 Topic: Debian mouse problems
Debian mouse problems [message #5358] Fri, 21 September 2007 11:50
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Running Debian Etch, Xorg 7.1.something, and gpm; Logitech M-S35 PS/2 mouse.
Can anyone tell me how to make cut&paste work over the virtual terminals?
Or, slightly better, in between X and the virtual terminals (not xterm)?


Ellen
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Forum: Answers for Newbies
 Topic: Theme of queer/geek correlation?
Theme of queer/geek correlation? [message #5620] Tue, 08 January 2008 04:28
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Perhaps I'm reading too much into it, but it seems to me that there is an unspoken theme regarding Tuck's geekiness, beyond just being Bill's child: that for young queerfolk, especially bi or trans folk, geekdom can be an escape. That even at an early age, queer kids can tell that there is something different about themselves, even if they don't quite understand what, and that they... withdraw. Avoid social contact. Bury themselves in intellectual pursuits rather than expose themselves to peer pressure or mockery. Or at least, change the kind of ostracism to one that isn't quite so severe - geeks and nerds, though outcasts, at least have a social role of a sort.

Is this something which you have been intentionally putting into the series, or am I projecting my own thoughts onto you? I can't help but think that there's something to that, especially given that queer geeks tend to come out much later in life than other Kweerfolx: we can hide longer, since no one expects us to conform in the first place.

[Updated on: Tue, 08 January 2008 14:49]

Forum: No Spoilers!
 Topic: RPG Motivational Posters
RPG Motivational Posters [message #6076] Fri, 07 November 2008 02:21
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From the Games that Tuck, Mike et. al. play I thought of them immediately when I discovered this:
http://www.geneticanomaly.com/RPG-Motivational/index.html
Forum: Printable Tuck
 Topic: Ellen Gets Serious
Ellen Gets Serious [message #5344] Thu, 20 September 2007 12:43
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Time to do some serious polling of what people think.

I'll be putting up a series of questions, as separate topics; I'd like discussion and opinions. I'll be selecting and choosing what I think is the best-possible - which may have little to do with best-conceivable - and using those for the print version.

Please keep the discussion IN the topic ON the topic; start a new topic if you want to address something else, mmmkay?


Ellen
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 Topic: PODs
PODs [message #4374] Mon, 23 January 2006 06:08
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In Tucknotes for 1-22-06 Ellen asked:

Quote:

Have any of you bought anything direct from one of the POD publishers out there? Any review or comment upon of the quality of the POD work (as differentiated from the authorial or editorial work) would also be helpful. When I do this, I'd really like to have a $20 book that doesn't fall apart in two weeks...


I've purchased books from Lulu.com and liked their products. The books have all been in the paperback 6x9 format and the quality is what you'd expect from a major publishing house doing a 10,000+ print run even though they only printed the one copy before it was shipped to me. The paper is high quality, the use good inks, the text wasn't smudged in any way and the bindings are solid and look like they will stand up to hundres of reads.

The first book I purchased from Lulu.com was Kelly Girl and that was about 10 months ago. So far it and the other books have held up just fine.
Forum: Fanfics from Ellen's site
 Topic: A walk in the park: Piece of Cake
A walk in the park: Piece of Cake [message #2035] Tue, 13 July 2004 22:25
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Sequel to A walk in the park, I tried to make it in the same prose that ellen had for the original with all the pronouns and such. let me know whatcha think and what happens at the end is too soon

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Getting in the car, Chris's hands began to shake even harder than before he got out to meet Eric. After watching the would-be black-mailer dissappear behind a tree, Chris immediatly took his phone from the dash and froze. *What am I doing here? How do I get myself into these things!? I'm such a fool, why did I think _I_ could pull this off. He wiped the water from his eyes. In an effort to subdue anymore tears he dialed his girlfriend, needing to hear the soothing voice she often provided.
"'ello..." came a soft british accent, Chris sighed softly in response.
"Awwh, Beth, did I catch you at a bad time?" He asked apologetically.
"Naw lov'. Just doing my studies... I could use the short break. What's up?" She replied.
Chris sighed and began, "Well Beth, I just..." he paused, feeling a lump in his throat.
"Lov'? Are you alright? Does this have something to do with that 'big important thing' that you can't tell me about?"
"No, I..." he started as his head started buzzing and getting light all of a sudden, "I just needed to hear your voice, its alri- I'm alright... It's fine, sorry I bothered you. Talk to you later?"
"Sure, call me if you need to." she replied hastily as he hung up.
The only thing that made any sense anymore was to bury his face in his hands until they stopped shaking. The plan was less than a success as Chris's eyes began to water; all it took was that one to start a torrent.
When he went to grab a tissue to start wiping, he noticed his hands were black with mascara. He brought them close to his face and looked at them close. Soft chuckling came from somewhere in the car, but it took a moment for Chris to identify it's source as himself. In the heat of his release he started crying again, and he laughed louder and louder until the mascara stopped showing up in his tears.
As he wiped the last tears away with a tissue that was now black on one side he heard a tapping on his window. He was about to get out and tell Eric a few things about his mother before he noticed the badge on the uniform... "Shit" Chris said to himself as he rolled down the window. He could feel his sweat glands screaming at him for a break, but the fear centers of his brain meats just wouldnt have it tonite.
"Hel- hello, officer." he said, sniffing back a tear. "I mean, good evening." He mentally bashed himself in the face with an acoustic guitar after listening with surprise to what he, himself, had just said out loud.
"Good evening, miss." Miss? Did he just say 'miss?' "Is everything alright?"
"No... I mean, yes! I mean... No, not everything, but I'll be fine. I mean..." He sputtered out. "Today just isnt a good day for me..."
"Mmm... Yes, I have a daughter about your age, I recognize that look." Chris looked up. *What _look_?* "You should call him when you get home, this is not a ver-"
"Call who?" Chris inturrupted.
"Your boyfriend, young lady. Like I said, I have a daughter your age. And as I was saying, you should do this at home, this isnt a very safe place at night and its almost dark." He replied in a fatherly tone.
Chris glanced over at the clock in the car and noticed the time. *SHIT!* "Oh shi- I mean... jeez! I have to get home!" Chris said in a rush, noting his own language.
"Of course, drive safe." The officer said as he turned to leave.
"Wait, officer." Chris said as he felt a pang of guilt hit him in the chest, "I... Thank you..."
The officer smiled broadly and replied, "Thank _you_, little lady. Have a good night."
*He was awfully nice...* Chris thought to himself as the officer walked away. He stared at his keys for a moment. He snapped out of it a second later and turned on the ignition, but for the sake of a short explanation, it turned the car on.
As Chris pulled onto the highway that would take him home, a buzzing came from the purse next to him, but it took Chris a moment to find the source of it, his cell phone, he switched it on and placed it to his ear.
"Hello?" Chris said shyly.
"Stop at the Ice cream place down the highway west, lets have a slice of ice cream cake, what do you say? We can talk there, that place is _dead_ on friday nights." It was Eric, the little brat that got him into this.
"I..." He paused again as he felt the tears build again.
"Just relax, chica. You already have the negatives, there is nothing keeping you to our promise, just... give me fifteen minutes, okay? I just want to talk..." Eric replied in a calming voice.
"That's all?"
"That's all, I swear..." There was a momentary pause.
"... Alright." Chris finally worked out of his mouth. On the other end of the phone, Chris could just imagine Eric yakking it up with his friends over this. Chris pushed it out of his mind, after all, besides the secrecy, which was understandable, Eric hadn't done anything to betray Chris's trust. But a sense of uneasyness plauged the back of his mind regardless.

The car rolled to a halt in the parking lot outside, Chris stared ahead toward the sunset, letting its cancer-giving, irradiating beauty soak into him. He sighed and pulled down the visor to clean his face and reapply the the lipstick his dry lips had caused to rub off, the mascara that his tears had washed away, and the his cheeks which were pale from all the excitment... and Chris's hunger, which he just noticed.
He opened the car door to see Erics car sitting by a tree, but what really caught his attention was the line of cars poking out from behind it. Apparently, this place was less abandoned than previously hoped for. Heavy business, Chris was finding out, is not always _good_ business.
He stepped out onto his rather mundane flats, he would have worn the deep orange ones, but he didnt want to draw attention to himself here. *God, not here! Dont lose it Chris...* The pep talk was not as effective as hoped, so he resolved himself to dying honorably due to flying milkshake glasses as he started towards the door. So far, he could see no one from school in the windows, but the anticipation did not pass completely, rather, it stayed balled up in his abdomen like a good little fear based emotion.
Upon entering, Chris hid behind his bangs with he brushed forward to further disguise himself. He spotted Eric at the counter with a plate of ice cream cake in and two forks in one hand and the cash he was paying with in the other. Eric smiled at the clerk as he walked away towards a vacant seat by the window to sit.
Chris weaved through the crowd of people in line, all the while staring at the ground and focusing all his mental powers on not being found out.
"CHRIS!" a girls voice rang out behind him, he was just about to scream when a girl came running past him towards the door. He was calm again, but his heart rate was still through the roof, so a synchople event was still possible. He decided, however, that the best place for a good faint would be at the table so that it would not be obvious until someone noticed a girl face down in ice cream. Chris laughed nervously at himself at that one... A _girl_ face down...
He slowly made his way to the table, sitting down without warning across from Eric. Unfortunatly, Eric, in his own pent-up state, shook the ice cream cake right from his own hand and right onto Chris's chest.
The world seemed to grow silent as Chris stared down at his own heaving and now wet chest, and he worried for his expensive breast forms. "I don't fucking believe it." he said instinctively to his now frozen and probably, now, delicious nipples.
Suddenly Eric jumped forth, as if possessed by a demon, with a napkin and started dabbing at Chris's 'breasts.' This caused Chris to become even more enraged; when he screamed however, it was fortunate that he no longer cared if anyone recognized him... But the incredibly angry, loud, tension-relieving, and _quite_ female scream caused everyone to look his way. Although Chris _did_ a whole lot better right now. Eric on the other hand, was feeling rather surprised at that moment and slowly retreated back to his seat across the table. And at that moment, without a word being said between them since he got to the ice cream shoppe, Chris got up and started towards the back bathrooms.
He stopped at the entrance to both bathrooms begging the gods for a third option, but they were either not listening or they were entertained by his strife. He made what little choice he has left and entered the women's room. Inside, it was much cleaner then the Park bathroom had been, marginally better; in fact it completely lacked the awful urine smell the first bathroom (and most boy bathrooms he had been in) had offered. He walked past the sink to the towel dispenser, but he stopped at the mirror and didnt recognize himself. He stared closer, and in the scrutiny of the surprisingly well lit bathroom, he saw only a bit of himself in the mirror. *Wow...* he thought. He didn't have long to think however, as the bathroom door opened to two girls thats Chris recognized almost instantly as people who go to his school. He turned around at that moment and headed toward the stalls in a half walk, half trip.. Once inside, he began dabbing at himself as silently as he could with toilet paper as he listened for their chatter, he prayed to whomever was listening not to let him get caught. His heart, if possible, was beating faster than ever.
"Did you hear that scream when we were in line? Sounded like when Janet found those pictures of herself on the internet." One of them said while at the mirror.
"Yea, that was so weird, I don't understand how someone could get a picture to come out so clear in the dark, I mean Derrick and her were in her bedroom for goodness sake! Thats on the second floor!" The other one replied slowly as she applied something that Chris couldn't see or care about to her lips.
"Lets go to Club Shea tonight! Their having that big 'Rising Star Contest' this Sunday, aren't they?" The first one said as they exitted.
At first, Chris just sat on the floor and hugged his knees, but after sniffing away a few errant tears, he decided that talking tonight had been, and would continue to be, a bad idea...

"What?! But you promised!" Eric said unbelieving of the events Chris just described.
"Didn't you hear me?! I said I'm tired and scared, and I just want to go home while I'm not dead, outted, or in jail, okay?!" Chris screamed as silently as possible from his position standing by the car he wanted to drive home so badly.
"... Alright... I understand... Can- can I see you tommorow?" Eric recanted. "At... at the park, where no one will recognize you or kill you or spill ice cream on you..." he laughed, "I swear..."
Chris just chuckled and nodded at that phrase and sniffed again while looking the ground. "Sure. I'll see you tommorow, in the afternoon then?" Chris glanced up just in time to see Eric's face going right for his own, not enough time, however, to dodge the kiss that ensued. It was electric though. The waves of tingling coming from his abdomen either meant he had a peptic ulcer or he was enjoying this. He decided to schedule a doctor's appointment to get checked out when his life was not a roller coaster ride. As his brain finnaly resolidified in his head, he stumbled back and attempted to open his eyes several times before it finally worked.
"So yea..." Eric said, blushing, "Tommorow... At five..."

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"If you don't like it, write one yourself." -ehayes
"I did! So there!" -njc


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 Topic: New Ending to Mono Mania (by Emily) up on Ellen's site.
New Ending to Mono Mania (by Emily) up on Ellen's site. [message #1782] Wed, 14 April 2004 00:17
Erin Halfelven  is currently offline Erin Halfelven
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Also, new note dated Apr 12, even if the link says latest is Apr 3. Smile

The mono mania chapter/alternate ending is #5 and it is pretty funny. If you haven't read the Mono Mania original story and all the endings, do, they are all pretty good. Smile

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 Topic: Super Stupor
Super Stupor [message #5958] Fri, 08 August 2008 17:11
Schol-R-LEA is currently online Schol-R-LEA
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Not really related to the series, I merely thought that the phrase Justice Tuck deserved mention...

Though perhaps a thread of links to TG-related superhero comics or scans might be called for... on second thought, that might not be the best idea after all...

Actually, 'High Maintenance' does have its moments, but the art style and grimness of the story turned me off before I finished the archive (and I usually like grim), and I never really looked at it again. YYMV.


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